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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #255 on: July 20, 2016, 05:56:05 pm »
shut the fuck up god damn it
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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #256 on: July 20, 2016, 06:41:45 pm »
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CAN WE JUST DECIDE WHAT TO DO AND GET ON SAME PAGE INSTEAD OF FUCKING EACH OTHER IN EVERY FUCKING GOD DAMN FUCKING POST?
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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #257 on: July 20, 2016, 07:25:14 pm »
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CAN WE JUST DECIDE WHAT TO DO AND GET ON SAME PAGE INSTEAD OF FUCKING EACH OTHER IN EVERY FUCKING GOD DAMN FUCKING POST?

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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #258 on: July 20, 2016, 07:30:45 pm »
Simple summary:
1) ban cheaters if they are caught red handed do a full supervisory on ON members
2) list can be taken from ON leaders and previous pages about who is innocent or who is involved.
3) who feel injustice in their matter can apply for ban appeal in servers with proofs and witnesses
4) the rest is on the owners of the servers, they will do what they feel right.
5) Say no to polack glitching and refrain from fucking around in servers,
6) if anyone can vouch for innocence of an ON player please now is the time to step forward before anyone gets injustice.
7) 3 months ban for all ON players just as a precaution from all servers ( optional )
8) if someone is irritated by this thread, instead of putting up bullshit, they can go fuck themselves in silence

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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #259 on: July 20, 2016, 08:07:04 pm »
Yea, I care a lot about reputation, especially in this game LOL
Plus, why are you talking about reputation when you polack fuck got VAC banned at steam?

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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #260 on: July 20, 2016, 08:25:16 pm »
if someone is irritated by this thread, instead of putting up bullshit, they can go fuck themselves in silence

yes pls envy in silence
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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #261 on: July 21, 2016, 02:16:45 am »
Do you guys actually think VU are using hacks? :D

i am using hacks , problem?
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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #262 on: July 21, 2016, 02:59:09 am »
What's different about my case with the case of these people?
In your case you did not belong to a clan that was creating the hacks, which is exactly the case here.

But anyway.... 18 pages are enough, unless more solid information comes up, this is my final position on the issue:

ANO is a co-leader,
you have a point,you see, ANO was a friend since XE's middle - We're like brothers.

ANON was not kicked,I knew his intentions were not bad, he only have wanted to become familiar with every code of
Vice City - and these scripts were his final chance (he's working on programming as far as I know - his real life job)

If I did have any idea of what would happen , there wouldn't be so many hackers today in VC-MP.


I have to take it all as my fault, I've been making morons rich in skills, gameplays and other stuff like this while my clan fell apart,and I didn't even take this serious.
I'm willing to do things the right way,if you guys give us another chance.Try me, I'm not going to disappoint anybody,ANO and these hacks will not be familiar with each other,and everything'll be okay.

I agree with adding a new system for detecting hacks, this time, you can keep an eye on all our members.
I give you my last word that there won't be anymore hacks spreading in this clan as long as I'm the leader..

ANON will STOP THIS PROJECT FOREVER, and will not be any signs of it,if the ON clan members did listen to my orders of 'no longer hacking.'
ELSE , if anybody from our gang is caught using stuff like these hacks,they'll no longer have ties with us, by any means.


I'd like to add that many of the ONs are not even implied in this situation,at least, don't ban them -
List: Wishwanath
HARIS1 - past ON
Trex (ZEVIK)
DeZ (ZERO1)
EAZYMP5 - past ON
Zeruel
DSHARD
If I mistakenly excluded someone,excuse me.PM me and I'll add him if necessary,


if you get my point,NewK,ban the ones guilty for this (which is mostly me, for the negligence offered to the clan),but let the innocent play.
Look, first of, I never had any grudges with you or your clan before as you might think. I don't even actively play VC:MP anymore. Before all of this was found I think haven't even had so much as a single argument/discussion with any member of your clan. So don't think that whatever I decide is based on grudges. It's not. This is my decision for the CTF server.


For the players who were previous members of [ON] but left the clan or are going to leave the clan:
  • For the ones that used and distributed the hacks, I will shorten the ban to 6 months instead of 1 year
  • For the ones that did not use or distributed the hacks, I will remove their bans. (This is according to your list)

For the players who are current members of [ON]:
  • For the members that used and distributed the hacks, I will shorten the ban to 6 months instead of 1 year but only if the person who created the hacks (ANONIMUL) is removed from the clan, if ANONIMUL remains in the clan, the ban  duration will remain 1 year. 
  • For the members that did not use or distributed the hacks, I will remove their bans. but only if the person who created the hacks (ANONIMUL) is removed from the clan, if ANONIMUL remains in the clan, the ban duration will also remain 1 year.

To sum up, previous [ON] players who didn't use/distribute the hacks will be unbanned. If ANONIMUL is removed from the clan, all current [ON] members who did not use/distribute the hacks will be unbanned aswell. [ON] members who used/distributed the hacks, will have their bans shortened to 6 months. However, if ANONIMUL remains in the clan, the entire clan will have to endure the 1 year ban. If members from the clan leave the clan during this period they will be unbanned but only if they didn't use/distribute the hacks, if they did, their bans will be shortened to 6 months for choosing to distance themselves from the main source of the hacks (ANONIMUL).

Reasons:

Why are the bans of ON members who used/distributed the hacks only being reduced if ANONIMUL is removed from the clan?
- I'll reduce their bans because if ANONIMUL is removed from the clan, the main source of the hacks is gone from the clan and as a result it's less likely for these members to get their hands on new hacks. Thus, making it easier to trust them again.

Why is the ban duration 1 year for all [ON] members if ANONIMUL stays in the clan?
- Because as long as there is a source(ANONIMUL) of hacks inside the clan, no ON members can be trusted. Not until they regain our trust. The 1 year period ban instead of the permanent one is their 2nd chance to regain our trust.

Why are the players  who leave [ON] being unbanned and the ones who stay aren't?
-Those players will only be unbanned if they didn't use/distribute the hacks, otherwise they will still be banned, except their ban duration will be 6 months instead of 1 year because they chose to distance themselves from the main source of the hacks(ANONIMUL). The players who choose to stay in the clan with ANONIMUL  there, are choosing to be associated with a person who created and distributed the hacks, which is why the ban duration for them is of 1 year.

In all situations, ANONIMUL gets a 1 year ban, for being the main cause in all of this.

Keep in mind that were this any other multiplayer game like Counter-Strike, League of Legends, Call of duty, etc..., all the bans would be permanent, but since this is VC:MP, and VC:MP has a history of being light on punishments, none of those bans will be permanent. Unfortunately this a necessary evil due to the low player count of the mod.


@Hunting, as you see you have choices here, now it's all up to you. If you and ANONIMUL really are like brothers as you say, I understand some of these decisions might be difficult, but please try to look at it from our point of view: At the momemt, we simply cannot trust the members of ON as long as ANONIMUL is there. You promised to us that he would stop creating the hacks, but this is not something that you can control, ANONIMUL can do this all over again behind your back if he wishes to. If you really could control this, this situation would not have happened in the first place. So those promises you made mean nothing because you can't fulfill them. As a member of a clan that's been alive for 9 years now, my advice to you if you want to restore some of the reputation of your clan, and care about your members' reputation, would be to remove ANONIMUL from your clan because as long as he is there, your clan will always have the fame of the "hacker clan" and many of your members will probably be accused of hacking by many servers regardless of their involvement. If you want to do what's best for your members that is my advice to you.

Also I'd like to ask to forum administrators to give Hunting posting permissions again as I'd like to know his response.


Before one of you guys starts replying to this post and pointing out the flaws in this "solution", let me say I am very much aware about the flaws in this "solution", for instance removing ANONIMUL from the clan will not guarantee that the members will not contact him to get new hacks, but like I said it just makes it less likely. All of your "solutions" have flaws, just like all of the solutions I sugested aswell. There is no perfect solution, so stop looking for one. Arguing about it won't change anything, just do what has to be done and get it over with. In the end, this big discussion all comes down to whether the server managers are capable of making the hard decisions that are necessary for the betterment of their servers. I've made mine.


TL;DR: This is no tl;dr, you either read it or you don't you lazy bums  ::)
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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #263 on: July 21, 2016, 04:01:30 am »
 
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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #264 on: July 21, 2016, 07:26:12 am »
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I was expecting some idiot to come here with such bullshit and say that F1 creator was european, so predictable coming from someone as stupid as you.
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You're really stupid if you can't accept the fact that the original F1 hack that was distributed in 0.3 was made by Player787.
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Polack please, do not try to impersonate the most knowledgeable person in this community; you know shit about F1 and it's creation, kindly stop being an ignorant faggot.
aaand get the fuck out of here



your knowledge in terms of technicality is below 0 so don't even try arguing
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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #265 on: July 21, 2016, 09:10:20 am »
18 pages of arguing about some irrelevant paki clan, VC:MP at it's finest.
This topic reminded me of the nostalgic Hackiharu saga
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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #266 on: July 21, 2016, 01:23:21 pm »
What i am gonna do about this oh well those who were caught for hacking they'll be banned same as Newk said 6 months is enough i guess and if they are going to evade it i'll increase ban and i'll keep increasing if you keep evading and that's up to them. however my staff saying there are few innocent ON members and they should get unban and i'll unban them but but ON is officially banned from EAD events forever, and if they want to do clan war with any clan they can do it but that clan need to think about it before doing any clan war with them. now whether you like or not i don't really care i am just doing what i should do i am not putting any personal matter in this post good bye.


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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #267 on: July 21, 2016, 06:17:04 pm »
why do you want such a list, Charlie? Do you think that the 'main' servers haven't already decided what to do about this?

I could be wrong but I thought the primary points of this conversation were to:

A) Identify the wrongdoers
B) Identify what they did wrong
and C) Come to some sort of joint conclusion on how the wrongdoers should be punished.

Even if all the main servers have decided what to do to who, a list would still be useful for VU (remember, this is our forum) for when we host future events. Besides which, all management from the main servers are watching or contributing to this topic so it will influence their decisions.

Having said that, I don't really see the point in this topic anymore, because whilst theoretically it could have been a good way to make sense of this issue, it's just turned into a flamewar. People need to chill the fuck out.

I've added a poll to decide whether we should lock the topic.
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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #268 on: July 21, 2016, 06:33:39 pm »
ON CLAN

Guilty list:

Hunting:
- sharing (?), doing nothing regarding the development and distribution of cheats, usage in private, maybe public as well
Anonimul:
- sharing, creating and using
Kakarot:
- sharing, doing nothing despite knowledge of such events (development/distribution) happening inside the clan, usage in private, maybe public as well
gh0st/kxz/voyaflex:
- sharing (to a large number), using, no actions despite knowledge
K.:
- no actions despite knowledge (sure), possibly sharing (?), usage in private, maybe public as well
EaZYMP5:
- using, sharing (?), no actions despite knowledge
Stealth:
- sharing (?), using, no actions despite knowledge
Garjoka:
- no actions despite knowledge, using/sharing (?)
Stonecold:
- brother of Kakarot, probably no actions despite knowledge, must be banned regardless
Rustam:
- usage. no actions despite knowledge

Unknown list:
- Moskvish (Tim)
- Gigabyte
- Sortex
- mad_dog

Innocent:
DSHARD
Wishwanath
Trex
Dez
Zeruel
Newton/Vatan


the list can be adjusted once new information is available

C)
debatable
i'm going to go with newk's version
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Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
« Reply #269 on: July 21, 2016, 06:42:52 pm »
Thank you.
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