Vice Underdogs

Discussion => VC:MP General => Topic started by: Charley on January 30, 2018, 09:36:28 am

Title: Disable headshots
Post by: Charley on January 30, 2018, 09:36:28 am
<Disclaimer> After the following discussion, I no longer believe that disabling headshots is the best solution to this problem. I don't have a firm opinion on what the best solution is, but this isn't it. The discussion does illuminate some very interesting an potentially valuable solutions, however, so I encourage people to read through.

Over the past few weeks there has been a rapid proliferation of the so-called Aim Lock. One only need do a simple search online now to gain access to the tool, which helps players snap their aim to other players' heads easily. The spread of this tool stands to completely alter the gameplay balance of VC:MP, and as I'm sure most of you can testify, is already having discernible effects ingame. New and old players alike will not wish to play a game wherein some players have god-like abilities to inflict instant kills.

With the VC:MP devs AWOL, it is now up to server owners to try and combat the effects of this tool before it does too much damage to the size of the playerbase. I therefore suggest that all server owners disable headshots as soon as possible. I'm unaware of the feasibility of this, but in a previous topic Krys suggested that it would be possible:

To disable headshots you can give immunity from headshots (critical hits?) to all players.

Edit with counter-arguments:

Argument 1: Learn to beat aimlockers.
Counter-argument: This isn't just about experienced players, it's about newbies who can't beat them and will leave. They make up the majority of the VC:MP playerbase and we rely on them for the mod to be sustainable. If they leave, we're fucked.

Argument 2: Just find the hackers and ban them.
Counter-argument: Aimlock is very hard to detect and prove. Creating a staff team that can do so reliably would be essentially impossible.

Argument 3: Long-rangers would lose interest in the game and leave.
Counter-argument: Long-rangers were interested before headshots were possible in VC:MP, they will adapt. If a few of them leave, this is not a high price to pay versus the alternative of many more newbies leaving as soon as they join the game and can't score kills.

Argument 4: There needs to be a better solution.
Counter-argument: Until someone suggests one, this is all we have.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: KILLERX. on January 30, 2018, 09:39:13 am
it will automatically kill vcmp
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: FulToN_619 on January 30, 2018, 09:47:22 am
disable headshots as soon as possible.
+1
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: ZUBI on January 30, 2018, 10:11:52 am
yes just disable it, so let those cheaters realize how it feels..... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Danish on January 30, 2018, 10:20:49 am
disable headshots as soon as possible.
+1
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: GoRcEE on January 30, 2018, 11:48:25 am
Well, great idea.
disable headshots as soon as possible.
+1
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: #Wr#blix# on January 30, 2018, 12:10:19 pm
And I suggest to switch all servers to roleplay. Force everyone to play at 20 fps because it's noice and make infernus spawn black all the time.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Warhol on January 30, 2018, 12:40:48 pm
Agreed. That's what actually supposed to happen at these times as aimlock is easily reached and used by any person for now. It would make vcmp less funnier, but that's what others "aimlock users" are indeed doing, so, disabling it would be fair enough for both sides.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Milko on January 30, 2018, 12:49:15 pm
Lol you guys don't know how to beat aimlockers? hhhhhhhhhh
Just play lw and you will...
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Dr.Shawn on January 30, 2018, 12:57:37 pm
They just have to change target from head to body, what difference will it make ?
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: XGamer on January 30, 2018, 01:01:28 pm
Oh yes please
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: MasterOz on January 30, 2018, 03:31:00 pm
Lol you guys don't know how to beat aimlockers? hhhhhhhhhh
Just play lw and you will...
+1

Also,you can get training from me how to eat em shit!
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: JuaN. on January 30, 2018, 03:37:54 pm
just like in 0.3z r1  8) bring back those times! and end this m4 whoring era!
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Piterus on January 30, 2018, 03:40:52 pm
They just have to change target from head to body, what difference will it make ?

Damage.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: MD619 on January 30, 2018, 04:20:21 pm
disable headshots as soon as possible.
+1
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Shadow.Jack^ on January 30, 2018, 04:38:02 pm
In 04rel003 servers,Aimlock doesn't even works.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: KILLERX. on January 30, 2018, 04:45:15 pm
In 04rel003 servers,Aimlock doesn't even works.
aimlock works in 04rel003  ;)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Casper on January 30, 2018, 05:00:27 pm
In 04rel003 servers,Aimlock doesn't even works.
aimlock works in 04rel003  ;)
only aimlock new version I think
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: SpiralRock on January 30, 2018, 05:03:46 pm
There are those players who don't use hacks. Every game has hacks, just find the hackers and ban them, no need to remove the head shots. I can't believe people like 0.3 over 0.4 just because it had a bad sync with head shots. I even hated the decision of banning chainsaw in EC. Why take something out of the game just because of the hackers.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: XGamer on January 30, 2018, 05:33:10 pm
There are those players who don't use hacks. Every game has hacks, just find the hackers and ban them, no need to remove the head shots. I can't believe people like 0.3 over 0.4 just because it had a bad sync with head shots. I even hated the decision of banning chainsaw in EC. Why take something out of the game just because of the hackers.
Well because this whole easy headshot thing got out of hand.
Also lets not forget the y axis sens mods that help you get headshots easily.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on January 30, 2018, 05:58:01 pm
I would like to disable headshots from M4/Ruger but leave them for sniper.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: XGamer on January 30, 2018, 06:24:39 pm
I would like to disable headshots from M4/Ruger but leave them for sniper.
I don't think this is possible
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Trex on January 30, 2018, 06:29:57 pm
I would like to disable headshots from M4/Ruger but leave them for sniper.
I don't think this is possible
If it's possible to disable headshots, then it's possible to edit it just to work with specific weapon..
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: SilenTKilleR on January 30, 2018, 06:38:38 pm
It must be disable to avoid these fucking hacks who runied our game in vcmp
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on January 30, 2018, 09:04:28 pm
such a move will automatically kill any interest left in the game for players who are actually good with long range weapons that are able to decapitate people, and there are a lot of such people in VC-MP.

not a good idea that was quite terribly thought through, in my humble opinion. there needs to be another, more fool-proof albeit much more difficult way. this situation can't depend on an easy way out.


In 04rel003 servers,Aimlock doesn't even works.

interesting
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on January 30, 2018, 10:07:30 pm
Yeah, aimlock (version no leading ain, 0.5v,0.6v) doesn't work on rel003,also you can't ban evade either, people modified with rel004,  if people can bear katana/python slide bug, then they can actually have a peaceful game too xD
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on January 30, 2018, 10:24:56 pm
turns out it is sometimes better to take a step back than two steps forward, eh
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Nimitz222 on January 31, 2018, 02:19:55 am
who cant win aimlocker? is easy u need use Tobi0 method i useed aimlock in he and he raped me using stubby lool
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: GoRcEE on January 31, 2018, 02:49:03 am
who cant win aimlocker? is easy u need use Tobi0 method i useed aimlock in he and he raped me using stubby lool
Gtfo dude, you are one of this hack distributer.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Charley on January 31, 2018, 03:14:56 am
I think there are some misunderstandings about the effects of the spread of this mod.

Lol you guys don't know how to beat aimlockers? hhhhhhhhhh

It's not about us guys. It's about the 90% of players who never visit a forum, who make up the bulk of the playerbase. If the game becomes too balanced against novice players, they will leave, simple.

Every game has hacks, just find the hackers and ban them

Creating a staff team that can reliably, accurately and frequently detect and ban people using aimlock would be almost impossible. Other hacks are easy to detect and prove, aimlock is not.

such a move will automatically kill any interest left in the game for players who are actually good with long range weapons that are able to decapitate people

I disagree - people will still play, just as they played before headshots were possible. There may be a few UJIBU4 type people who lose interest, but that is a very small price to pay in order to keep the interest of the majority of the playerbase. The number of people who are greatly disadvantaged by the spread of this mod, and are thus likely to lose interest, is much, much larger than the number of people who would leave because they can't make headshots anymore. Experienced players are able to adapt to new forms of gameplay, newbies are not. The point is to make it fair and fun for new players, so as to keep playercounts high and sustainable.

there needs to be another, more fool-proof albeit much more difficult way. this situation can't depend on an easy way out.

Until you or someone else can come up with a better solution, this is the only solution possible. I agree that it's not ideal, but taking action is better than not doing anything at all and watching the playerbase dwindle.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Milko on January 31, 2018, 05:32:21 am
What do you mean aimlock is not easy to detect? You spot an aimlocker right away, all you need is an admin to spectate the suspect (good luck with that, though).
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PANZER24 on January 31, 2018, 07:58:41 am
I agree with charley
I was a Half-Life multiplayer player before I join VCMP: there weren't any headshots, newbies could kill pros without hacking In plus, some of you know the VAC(Valve anti-cheat as I think) it does block hacks and ban any players who got caught cheating
The VAC system is in every server I had seen in Half-Life(as well as Half-Life opposing force and half life 2 deathmatch) it is well scripted to protect people from hacks and never let any hacker play free without banning him instantly
Nowadays, none is neither hacking nor cheating and more people wants to play half life as it is a funny game as well as there are many and many servers.
This is my opinion
Note: if you look for a good game with a perfect storyline Half-Life is the best choice. sorry for going offtopic
Half-Life wiki: http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Half-Life_storyline
it is an old game made in 1998 but if you look for a better remake go and search for "Black Mesa" it is the same game with enhanced graphics and made with the source engine.
Half-Life 2 isn't bad at graphics like Half-Life 1. the halflife series is a step for the revolution of gaming!!!!
Thanks for your attention.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: krystianoo on January 31, 2018, 09:03:29 am
Quote
newbies could kill pros without hacking In plus,

That's not true. First of all, pros could Gauss jump and bunny hop across the map, which is something the newbies definietly didn't know how to do.

But props for playing Half Life.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Niko on January 31, 2018, 09:22:45 am
those who use that shit should be banned forever
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on January 31, 2018, 09:45:07 am
Experienced players are able to adapt to new forms of gameplay, newbies are not. The point is to make it fair and fun for new players, so as to keep playercounts high and sustainable.


sentence 1 contradicts sentence 2


there needs to be another, more fool-proof albeit much more difficult way. this situation can't depend on an easy way out.

Until you or someone else can come up with a better solution, this is the only solution possible. I agree that it's not ideal, but taking action is better than not doing anything at all and watching the playerbase dwindle.

I hinted at a possible alternative but I'll state it in a straightforward manner now - roll back to 04rel003 where aimlock does not work in the first place, and where you can't ban evade either

sound good enough? to me it does
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PunkNoodle on January 31, 2018, 12:58:51 pm
I should wrap my mind about it.
Anyway reverting back to 003 is not an option, because latest versions of aimlock work there too as it was stated by somebody here in this topic. Plus I think it wouldn't take much to edit the source and get it to work with 003, they reason they probably didn't bother it is that just Skywars and VKs' linger on 003.
Following the same logic I think it would take even less to adjust the aim to lock on the body instead of head, at that point it would even be worse since by aiming on the body you focus on a larger part of the body, that gives you more threshold when dealing with lag, in a practical environment, considering the aimlock appears to lag behind the player when strafing and able to meet its target only when he stops, by aiming on the torso it would definitely take less time in order for that to happen.
Third from my own experience, it seems to be relatively easy to detect aimlock, while I didn't catch anyone in-game so far, we're inundated by reports by players and it's pretty clear whether the reportee is using it or not.
That is not to say we don't need a solution, but I think disabling headshot is not going to work in the long run.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on January 31, 2018, 01:33:08 pm
I should wrap my mind about it.
Anyway reverting back to 003 is not an option, because latest versions of aimlock work there too as it was stated by somebody here in this topic. Plus I think it wouldn't take much to edit the source and get it to work with 003, they reason they probably didn't bother it is that just Skywars and VKs' linger on 003.
Following the same logic I think it would take even less to adjust the aim to lock on the body instead of head, at that point it would even be worse since by aiming on the body you focus on a larger part of the body, that gives you more threshold when dealing with lag, in a practical environment, considering the aimlock appears to lag behind the player when strafing and able to meet its target only when he stops, by aiming on the torso it would definitely take less time in order for that to happen.
Third from my own experience, it seems to be relatively easy to detect aimlock, while I didn't catch anyone in-game so far, we're inundated by reports by players and it's pretty clear whether the reportee is using it or not.
That is not to say we don't need a solution, but I think disabling headshot is not going to work in the long run.

thanks for reiterating the original problem

we have now officially gone back to square one

you've done well at sugarcoating what everyone else already wrote, but the real question is not in how well you sugarcoat, but whether you can suggest something that will help the problem at hand
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: GangstaRas on January 31, 2018, 02:04:05 pm
I'm no huge scripter so I don't know much of the limitations and overhead this would produce but even a useless idea is better than none so tell me if there's anyway to make this possible.

Aimlock has a inhumane movement, which is why we perceive it as a snap-on effect. Nobody who's aiming can snap to an enemy in 1 frame and hold that position in all the other frames after.

Humane movements are taper effects, gradual, with a reaction time that varies for every individual but exists nonetheless (215 ms if I put my faith here (https://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime)). No matter how good you are, we all spin fast then slow down and then stop to aim, we don't 180 and stop in 1 frame, hell we don't even 20 and stop in 1 frame. So why don't we capitalize on that to autoban aimlockers? I believe player.angle() would give us the dataset, its just if its possible without clapping the server.

To alleviate some stress on the scripts, if it is possible, run it when a player is about to shoot (if we can detect that) rather than having the check on all the time. Wasted resource to check for aimlock in someone not shooting.



And for the record, as an experienced sniper I don't really want headshots gone, they make quick scoping possible and shooting moving targets less of a spray. But if we do disable, bring back Hunters and Sea Sparrows. I love me some mayhem  >:D
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on January 31, 2018, 02:20:28 pm
^ needs to be tested, definitely. this is the first idea I'm liking for now, very good thinking on your part, Ras
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PANZER24 on January 31, 2018, 03:19:47 pm
Quote
newbies could kill pros without hacking In plus,

That's not true. First of all, pros could Gauss jump and bunny hop across the map, which is something the newbies definietly didn't know how to do.

But props for playing Half Life.
well to be fair. Youre right as there are many crossbow pros but if a noob finds a gluon gun he would kill every live being in front of him.  I dont know but noobs must know gauss jumb. I remember myself being a noob in half life and i know gauss jumping. Also. There arent many noobs as almost had played singleplayer campaign.


About the topic I request VCMP developpers to update the browser and make it like "MTA" as I see the VCMP engine have a limit and doesnt have much features like MTA does. I dont understand why developpers are inactive these days but there must be an update. What about disabling c-glitch and getting rekt by having shot by a shotgun because laggers are ruling the both.this would bring more players to VCMP and also bringing back sea sparrows and hunters is a good thing. And also some powerups wont damage the game. What do you think guys?
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on January 31, 2018, 03:20:40 pm
What do you think guys?

man shut the fuck up already
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Milko on January 31, 2018, 04:00:57 pm
Disable headshots - ok.
Soon all use m60 pointed at body - even worse.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NewK on January 31, 2018, 04:06:24 pm
I think it would help to understand how aimlock works before we speculate on possible solutions. Aimlock works by following the player nametag. Want to stop aimlock users? Just disable player nametags with: SetShowNametags( false );

It's not an ideal solution, but its somewhat of a solution. A custom nametag can be added with 3D Sprites or text labels, although it wouldn't take much effort to adjust the hack to lock into that custom sprite/text instead so we run into the same issue there. So yea, the safe bet would be just not showing any nametags I guess. This could buy us some time until another hack comes along.

The real solution here lies with VCMP devs, they have "proper" ways to block this, unfortunately there's not much we can do that doesn't bring another set of problems into the mix.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PANZER24 on January 31, 2018, 05:58:44 pm
What do you think guys?

man shut the fuck up already
WTF??
pls tell me if you're ok or not Mr.psyco. You really did succeed to prove that you're useless guy by saying bad words in puplic.
Gongratulations.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Siezer on January 31, 2018, 06:17:28 pm
What do you think guys?

man shut the fuck up already
WTF??
pls tell me if you're ok or not Mr.psyco. You really did succeed to prove that you're useless guy by saying bad words in puplic.
Gongratulations.
k, thx.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: ELK on January 31, 2018, 07:13:15 pm
in puplic.

THIS LOLERING ME
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: aXXo on January 31, 2018, 07:15:38 pm
Aimbot developers are much more active than VCMP developers. They created several versions of the hack in the recent past. Moving to rel003 is not a solution, since the hack works in Single Player and making it compatible with any VCMP version is most likely a 10 second fix.

paly ogonath rpg. friendly fire, no aimbot problems. good luck explaining why you eliminated your entire smuggle crew with a swipe of m4 (totally not an advertisement)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Trex on January 31, 2018, 07:54:38 pm
since the hack works in Single Player and making it compatible with any VCMP version is most likely a 10 second fix.
The aimlock doesn't work on single player..
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on January 31, 2018, 07:59:25 pm
since the hack works in Single Player and making it compatible with any VCMP version is most likely a 10 second fix.
The aimlock doesn't work on single player..
ANONIMUL'S aimbot does but aimlock doesn't.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on January 31, 2018, 08:05:20 pm
Ok, we made this huge problem and we are going to fix it totally... I want to make a deal with you.
An anti-aimbot script will be provided in two weeks, aimbot will not be able to be used anymore..
But, I want the guarantee that me and Mimo be unbanned in all the servers, LW EC and CTF, and I guarantee you that the aimbot era will end..
Ending the aimbot era, in return we get unbanned, so what do you say ?
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Casper on January 31, 2018, 08:11:03 pm
this Kewun is hacker too, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tNm1zuwMCM
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on January 31, 2018, 08:11:41 pm
Well I can speak for LWs here -

Cash up front. If I’m convinced this script of yours works, then I’m ready to alleviate the bans. If not, tough luck.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on January 31, 2018, 08:23:08 pm
Well I can speak for LWs here -

Cash up front. If I’m convinced this script of yours works, then I’m ready to alleviate the bans. If not, tough luck.
We created the aimbot, we know how it functions, and we know how to inactivate it.
About the ban, we want to be unbanned, we don't want an alleviation. I assure you that we will fix what we damaged, so we want an unban not a decrease in our ban date. Deal ?
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on January 31, 2018, 08:33:10 pm
That is what alleviate means, therefore, yes, that was what I was offering in the first place.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: GangstaRas on January 31, 2018, 08:38:03 pm
HOLD UP HOLD UP HOLD UP!!

What kind of dealing crap am I seeing here?

I think you guys are sealing your own fates and not in a good way.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on January 31, 2018, 08:50:32 pm
I think it would help to understand how aimlock works before we speculate on possible solutions. Aimlock works by following the player nametag. Want to stop aimlock users? Just disable player nametags with: SetShowNametags( false );

It's not an ideal solution, but its somewhat of a solution. A custom nametag can be added with 3D Sprites or text labels, although it wouldn't take much effort to adjust the hack to lock into that custom sprite/text instead so we run into the same issue there. So yea, the safe bet would be just not showing any nametags I guess. This could buy us some time until another hack comes along.

The real solution here lies with VCMP devs, they have "proper" ways to block this, unfortunately there's not much we can do that doesn't bring another set of problems into the mix.

Already implemented and tested in my server with nimitz(aimbot user, he wants to collaborate to reduce his ban in some servers). It works with newer and older aimlock versions but I don't know about future aimlocks.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on January 31, 2018, 09:00:48 pm
Tag name is just a flag and can be fixed in less than 1 minute, so it is useless to change it. The best solution for now is the anti-aimbot script. At the end it is your choice, but i assure you that this strong script will damage the aimbot.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: GangstaRas on January 31, 2018, 09:05:03 pm
Tag name is just a flag and can be fixed in less than 1 minute, so it is useless to change it. The best solution for now is the anti-aimbot script. At the end it is your choice, but i assure you that this strong script will damage the aimbot.
Listen, your fate is sealed. Idk what you think this is but you doomed yourself.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: KILLERX. on January 31, 2018, 09:07:11 pm
Ok, we made this huge problem and we are going to fix it totally... I want to make a deal with you.
An anti-aimbot script will be provided in two weeks, aimbot will not be able to be used anymore..
But, I want the guarantee that me and Mimo be unbanned in all the servers, LW EC and CTF, and I guarantee you that the aimbot era will end..
Ending the aimbot era, in return we get unbanned, so what do you say ?
huh, first used aimbot after getting banned you guys distributed everywhere and asking for unban in return of finishing this shit? totally useless i will be happy with a new aimlocker in server everyday rather than watching aimlock developers in servers
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on January 31, 2018, 09:16:22 pm
As you like... I displayed a deal and you seem uninterested. Good luck in finding a suitable solution for this problem, but a huge number of newbies will hate this game and leave it until then.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on January 31, 2018, 09:19:32 pm
As you like... I displayed a deal and you seem uninterested. Good luck in finding a suitable solution for this problem, but a huge number of newbies will hate this game and leave it until then.
You are starting to act arrogant again, now you want to offer us a temporary solution that doesn't even assure us that it will work with future aimlocks.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on January 31, 2018, 09:23:48 pm
As you like... I displayed a deal and you seem uninterested. Good luck in finding a suitable solution for this problem, but a huge number of newbies will hate this game and leave it until then.
You are starting to act arrogant again, now you want to offer us a temporary solution that doesn't even assure us that it will work with future aimlocks.
No man, I am not arrogant, I just displayed a deal and it seems undesired, what is arrogant in this ?
I again assure you that it will 100% work because we created the aimbot and we know how to destroy it.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Nimitz222 on January 31, 2018, 10:20:11 pm
who cant win aimlocker? is easy u need use Tobi0 method i useed aimlock in he and he raped me using stubby lool
Gtfo dude, you are one of this hack distributer.
Sure if u want u need give to me 5dollars to ;D
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on January 31, 2018, 10:21:36 pm
My terms were clear. I stand by my words.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: GangstaRas on January 31, 2018, 10:43:21 pm
As you like... I displayed a deal and you seem uninterested. Good luck in finding a suitable solution for this problem, but a huge number of newbies will hate this game and leave it until then.
Be reminded that I'm not 6 years old, I can think for myself and have my own worries. Just because it's Charley's concern about the newbies doesn't mean I'll give one crap there to follow. They can leave for all I care, that's not what I'm getting at with you.

What I meant is that this would've been such a golden opportunity for you if your heart was pure or if you really wanted to play wolf in sheep's clothing. If you really were smart with your approach, you could've helped the community without any deal and the community would've gladly helped you back. You're dealing with that kind of people in high places, some of us. Recommendations go a far way.

But unfortunately for you, the God backing these kind people ensured that today, as fate would have it, you screwed yourself. I don't respect what you're trying to do here. Don't bother worry about VW nor VU servers, I don't want you in any of them anymore.

Can you imagine we of Wolf Pack debated giving you a chance and this is the shit you trying to pull now? If it was up to me I'd ban you from the forums here too. I can do it, but then I'd maybe be abusing. This disgusted me to the highest degree.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on January 31, 2018, 11:40:36 pm
As you like... I displayed a deal and you seem uninterested. Good luck in finding a suitable solution for this problem, but a huge number of newbies will hate this game and leave it until then.
Be reminded that I'm not 6 years old, I can think for myself and have my own worries. Just because it's Charley's concern about the newbies doesn't mean I'll give one crap there to follow. They can leave for all I care, that's not what I'm getting at with you.

What I meant is that this would've been such a golden opportunity for you if your heart was pure or if you really wanted to play wolf in sheep's clothing. If you really were smart with your approach, you could've helped the community without any deal and the community would've gladly helped you back. You're dealing with that kind of people in high places, some of us. Recommendations go a far way.

But unfortunately for you, the God backing these kind people ensured that today, as fate would have it, you screwed yourself. I don't respect what you're trying to do here. Don't bother worry about VW nor VU servers, I don't want you in any of them anymore.



his reaction is quite expected, in all honesty. he gave redemption a shot and the only person backing him here at present time is me. I've done hacked before, I've done got the punishment for it, I've done felt what it feels like.

let's stop basing everything here on superstitious Gods, fuck them. we are the Gods here and we are to decide how this whole situation turns out. let's give this guy a shot, I doubt it'll do much more harm than has already been done.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: GangstaRas on January 31, 2018, 11:47:56 pm
Morph, you can give him a shot, I ain't trying to get in your way of hearing him out but for me, my respect was lost the moment he turned the betterment of VCMP community into his own market trading. Its like the pieces of shit that can see people dying but in the name of money won't budge till their dollars are assured. What inhumane rubbish...
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Piterus on January 31, 2018, 11:59:20 pm
If I can add my own words to this topic, I am against this deal. This isn't a good way and won't solve our problems in the long run. No one should put an ultimatum on us.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: La[Z]eR on February 01, 2018, 02:56:39 am
As you like... I displayed a deal and you seem uninterested. Good luck in finding a suitable solution for this problem, but a huge number of newbies will hate this game and leave it until then.
You are starting to act arrogant again, now you want to offer us a temporary solution that doesn't even assure us that it will work with future aimlocks.
No man, I am not arrogant, I just displayed a deal and it seems undesired, what is arrogant in this ?
I again assure you that it will 100% work because we created the aimbot and we know how to destroy it.
We have stormeous.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: leder99 on February 01, 2018, 04:16:42 am
I'll never support this, removing headshots is like removing campers from gaming, you do it because you simply don't like it, and i know it's done for finish those hacking purposes, but anyways, what would VCMP be if there are no headshots man lol? just wonder..
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 01, 2018, 07:48:54 am
Kewun's aimbot doesn't work with vcmp, it works on single player, these 3 releases of aimbot do work with vcmp but only rel004 and not single player, conclusion is, fuck vcmp, move to some new game until stormeus wakes up from his grave, pushing the things will create more useless conclusions, arguments, such as this no mercy begging for unban, it's like raping a girl then telling her that I raped you, but there's anti pregnancy tablets so its like nothing happened, you can keep quite,damn..
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Sora_Blue on February 01, 2018, 08:58:04 am
http://ctf.vc-mp.net/index.php?topic=1125.msg6579#msg6579
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 11:01:52 am
Listen guys, please understand me, I am not here to make problems and drama again. I am just trying to make a deal with you, simply, if you accept my condition so deal, if you don't so no deal.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 01, 2018, 11:21:13 am
I’ll repeat myself a third and last time. I am down for the risk.

If something goes wrong, I will resign from littlewhitey’s management, give up TRC and leave VC-MP forever.

Not happening.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 12:01:21 pm
Ok, as Morphine, a manager in LW's server, accepted the deal, I'll wait for [Eddy (CTF), and Ryne (EC)] replies.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Piterus on February 01, 2018, 12:16:55 pm
Kewun's aimbot doesn't work with vcmp.

this Kewun is hacker too, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tNm1zuwMCM
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 01, 2018, 01:37:14 pm
Kewun's aimbot doesn't work with vcmp.

this Kewun is hacker too, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tNm1zuwMCM
it's no leading aim one, not a new
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 01, 2018, 02:56:27 pm
Ok, as Morphine, a manager in LW's server, accepted the deal, I'll wait for [Eddy (CTF), and Ryne (EC)] replies.

don't see a point in waiting for them, in all honesty

they're all very skeptical about it but I'm ready to let shit hit the fan, whenever you are

if it all works out on LW and I'll be fully convinced of this anti-hack of yours operating the way it is supposed to operate, then the rest will have a lot of apologizing to do. very simple :)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 03:06:17 pm
And how can I be sure that when I give you the script you will not give it to them ?
 I want them also to accept the deal in order to start working on the script.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: SanaullaH on February 01, 2018, 03:35:46 pm
remove head :D
(https://i.imgur.com/NHTvPfI.png)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 01, 2018, 03:44:01 pm
And how can I be sure that when I give you the script you will not give it to them ?
 I want them also to accept the deal in order to start working on the script.
If you can't trust him then don't expect him to trust you either, you're just proposing a deal, a deal is supposed to be fulfilled by both ends, after that it's none of your business whatever he do, but your idea of making an anti-aimbot script, looks like a failure,just like your VC:MP career,

Also Charley, it's not about headshots, what if someone finds a way to disable headshots for real and then someone creates a second aimbot for M60 targeting bodies,torso, it'll be more worse since it takes only 3 bullets of M60 to make a kill, a full clip of m60 will be capable of taking down 15 at once then,better we should contact Stormeus or Maxorator or anyone from dev team, and find a straight solution instead of looking for alternatives for nothing.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 04:24:40 pm
And how can I be sure that when I give you the script you will not give it to them ?
 I want them also to accept the deal in order to start working on the script.
If you can't trust him then don't expect him to trust you either, you're just proposing a deal, a deal is supposed to be fulfilled by both ends, after that it's none of your business whatever he do, but your idea of making an anti-aimbot script, looks like a failure,just like your VC:MP career,
The first side is component of one person which is me, the second side is component of three persons who are Morphine, Ryne and Eddy, So these three should accept it...
And who said that I will make the script ? the creator of aimbot will make it, which is Thorax.
And yes I forget to tell you that Thorax want to be unbanned too. He is waiting for accepting the deal from your side, if you accept it, the script will be ready in 2 weeks. And what are scared of ? not working of the script ? Simply, if it don't work, you can ban us again.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Piterus on February 01, 2018, 04:38:50 pm
And yes I forget to tell you that Thorax want to be unbanned too.

Yeah lol, unban all cheaters, great idea. It's almost like to open Arkham Asylum or other Pandora's box.

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 04:52:44 pm
And yes I forget to tell you that Thorax want to be unbanned too.

Yeah lol, unban all cheaters, great idea. It's almost like to open Arkham Asylum or other Pandora's box.
Unbanning cheaters, in return they fix the problem they made. And maybe in the future they will make great updates and help this game become more joyful. Who make hacks have a talent, but they use it in a bad way, Why don't you help them to use it in a good way that will make a better future for the game ?
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 01, 2018, 05:07:36 pm
believe it or not, you're demanding too much now, it's gratitude of this community that you're allowed to puke in our forums still otherwise if it was 2013, I am sure, you've ended miserably just like Adnan and every toxic retard who almost ruined this beautiful,dramatic, full of entertainment game, or you can say "used to be", I didn't want to look like an uncivilized barbarian but fuck off with your deal and tell thorax to suck my dick

Unbanning cheaters, in return they fix the problem they made. And maybe in the future they will make great updates and help this game become more joyful. Who make hacks have a talent, but they use it in a bad way, Why don't you help them to use it in a good way that will make a better future for the game ?
they're not "problems" they were threats, problems can have a solution, but the harm you did, can't be recovered, you still have no idea about how much toxicity you and your friend did, because of that spineless retard thorax, this year's VW too got ruined, because none had affection for this, because of you and your retarded 2 penny friends, you wanna talk about fixing the problems? kill yourself.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: krystianoo on February 01, 2018, 05:09:56 pm
As you like... I displayed a deal and you seem uninterested. Good luck in finding a suitable solution for this problem, but a huge number of newbies will hate this game and leave it until then.
Be reminded that I'm not 6 years old, I can think for myself and have my own worries. Just because it's Charley's concern about the newbies doesn't mean I'll give one crap there to follow. They can leave for all I care, that's not what I'm getting at with you.

What I meant is that this would've been such a golden opportunity for you if your heart was pure or if you really wanted to play wolf in sheep's clothing. If you really were smart with your approach, you could've helped the community without any deal and the community would've gladly helped you back. You're dealing with that kind of people in high places, some of us. Recommendations go a far way.

But unfortunately for you, the God backing these kind people ensured that today, as fate would have it, you screwed yourself. I don't respect what you're trying to do here. Don't bother worry about VW nor VU servers, I don't want you in any of them anymore.

Can you imagine we of Wolf Pack debated giving you a chance and this is the shit you trying to pull now? If it was up to me I'd ban you from the forums here too. I can do it, but then I'd maybe be abusing. This disgusted me to the highest degree.

It's sad that Gangstaras's viewpoint isn't supported more widely.

Quote
Who make hacks have a talent, but they use it in a bad way, Why don't you help them to use it in a good way that will make a better future for the game ?

Quote
Good luck in finding a suitable solution for this problem, but a huge number of newbies will hate this game and leave it until then.

I mean, what is this shit? Is this community blind??

Solely for this pseudo delusional bullshit I'd tell this guy to fuck off.

How can you get "blackmailed" into this shit? Into doing some fucking "deals" with scumbags and cheaters?

What age do we live in?

First, this pair of retards fucks all of us balls deep by cheating, ban evading, acting arrogant, then acts sorry, then this tool is released publicly and you want to accept a "DEAL" (holy shit) instead of removing them entirely from the community?

Instead of keeping them banned you wish to see these scumbags back in the game again?

Playercount over dignity. Hurray.

This is why nobody is afraid of cheating. Of pulling stunts like this one.

Permanent bans don't exist in VCMP. There is no punishment at all - nah, even if you're permanently banned then you'll get unbanned in a year. Perhaps slightly more. Maybe even less than a year. Why?
      Because, oh, you were banned for such a long time, everyone deserves a second chance, unbanned.

Fuck that.
              How about instead of prioritizing playercount, we'll actually keep our dignity and keep people who spit on the entire community AWAY from it instead of WELCOMING them back with open arms?

In the end, of course, it's not my decision. No. But everyone is free to add their two cents.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: KILLERX. on February 01, 2018, 05:24:10 pm
no mercy give your real home address to me i need plsss
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Thijn on February 01, 2018, 05:48:05 pm
It's sad that Gangstaras's viewpoint isn't supported more widely.
This, and everything else in your reply. Completely agree.

The only real solution is getting the devs to wake up and push a fix.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 05:53:56 pm
despite the disagreements shown, I am still waiting for Eddy and Ryne.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: KILLERX. on February 01, 2018, 05:57:17 pm
despite the disagreements shown, I am still waiting for Eddy and Ryne.
how you can expect Newk(hates the cheaters most) will unban you from ctf and about EC it will be a no 100% sure
 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 01, 2018, 06:04:21 pm
despite the disagreements shown, I am still waiting for Eddy and Ryne.
how you can expect Newk(hates the cheaters most) will unban you from ctf and about EC it will be a no 100% sure
 ;D  ;D  ;D
false hope drives people insane, not his fault XD
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Siezer on February 01, 2018, 07:36:47 pm
The way you are making deals is completely weird. I've to agree with Ras. Seeing your irrational behaviour even after giving you relaxation to play in VW is frustating for me. Therefore, You've been banned from EAD as well. Don't expect anything good now.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 01, 2018, 07:49:48 pm
And how can I be sure that when I give you the script you will not give it to them ?
 I want them also to accept the deal in order to start working on the script.

oh trust me, I won’t share such gold with either of them, because I am the only one that seeks it in the first place.

it just so happens that I am the only one who wants a cheat-free server, objectively speaking. that is what it looks like here.

I am in no way bound to either of the two managers in question. not anymore.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 08:16:07 pm
Deal Morphine, you will get the script in two weeks. The owner will stop developing aimlocks, and you are safe. Morphine, I do trust you, but keep in mind, if you don't unban me, Mimo, blister and Thorax, new deadly hacks will be released and only god will be able to stop it. Don't take it as a threat but just saying.

@Siezer , I tried to change but no one was interested. Somtimes the strict way is the only way.

Edit : @Morphine, You are free to unban us when you are convinced of the script.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on February 01, 2018, 08:24:54 pm
I have to agree with Siezer, the way you want to deal is weird but, can I get those scripts for my server? I will unban you, mimo and thorax even thought I don't have ban nor unban cmds lol.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 08:29:13 pm
can I get those scripts for my server? I will unban you, mimo and thorax even thought I don't have ban nor unban cmds lol.
Do I look stupid for you ? Give you the script ? Lol
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on February 01, 2018, 08:31:07 pm
can I get those scripts for my server? I will unban you, mimo and thorax even thought I don't have ban nor unban cmds lol.
Do I look stupid for you ? Give you the script ? Lol
Don't you recognise a joke with your superior intelligence? Why would I need your script when I don't even have a host.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 08:34:23 pm
can I get those scripts for my server? I will unban you, mimo and thorax even thought I don't have ban nor unban cmds lol.
Do I look stupid for you ? Give you the script ? Lol
Don't you recognise a joke with your superior intelligence? Why would I need your script when I don't even have a host.
No I don't realise any joke, maybe because you are vapid ?
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on February 01, 2018, 08:41:32 pm
can I get those scripts for my server? I will unban you, mimo and thorax even thought I don't have ban nor unban cmds lol.
Do I look stupid for you ? Give you the script ? Lol
Don't you recognise a joke with your superior intelligence? Why would I need your script when I don't even have a host.
No I don't realise any joke, maybe because you are vapid ?
This entire topic is a big joke, nobody (except morphine) want to unban you and receive your script that may "damage the aimlock". You want to deal with the people you insulted when they banned you. You came back humbly asking for us to forgive you and let you play in the Vicewar. Now you came arrogantly offering us "the cure to the aimlock" and we need to unban you and accept the deal because if we don't do that you, mimo and thorax will develop new "lethal hacks" that can kill VCMP.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 08:49:41 pm
No no no no !
Where did I say if you don't unban me I will develop new hacks ? Lol, you understood the point wrong, reread what I have writen. Please Tobio I don't want to discuss this anymore, please stop.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on February 01, 2018, 08:52:21 pm
Morphine, I do trust you, but keep in mind, if you don't unban me, Mimo, blister and Thorax, new deadly hacks will be released and only god will be able to stop it. Don't take it as a threat but just saying.
...........
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 08:58:35 pm
Yes, if I give him the script and he don't unban us. Not if you don't accept the deal.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: KILLERX. on February 01, 2018, 08:58:52 pm
why the hell VUs not banning these cheaters from this forum since this forum is important for community also i cant see some 10-12 year kids blackmailing community.
No_mercy just make and release more hacks no one give a fuck to your hacks its too easy to detect aimlock and servers have much active staff to ban there ass from server.
(https://i.imgur.com/1zh7RPp.jpg)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on February 01, 2018, 09:00:32 pm
why the hell VUs not banning these cheaters from this forum since this forum is important for community also i cant see some 10-12 year kids blackmailing community.
No_mercy just make and release more hacks no one give a fuck to your hacks its too easy to detect aimlock and servers have much active staff to ban there ass from server.
(https://i.imgur.com/1zh7RPp.jpg)
Can't ban people :(
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on February 01, 2018, 09:05:08 pm
Yes, if I give him the script and he don't unban us. Not if you don't accept the deal.
What if your script doesn't work? (please don't say something like "It will work because we created the aimbot and we know how it works")
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 09:12:10 pm
Yes, if I give him the script and he don't unban us. Not if you don't accept the deal.
What if your script doesn't work? (please don't say something like "It will work because we created the aimbot and we know how it works")
Simply, if it doesn't work, I will not offer it on first place, and you can easily ban us again...
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on February 01, 2018, 09:13:23 pm
Yes, if I give him the script and he don't unban us. Not if you don't accept the deal.
What if your script doesn't work? (please don't say something like "It will work because we created the aimbot and we know how it works")
Simply, if it doesn't work, I will not offer it on first place, and you can easily ban us again...
But in the case it doesn't work and you get banned again, will you develop your new hacks?
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 09:13:50 pm
Yes, if I give him the script and he don't unban us. Not if you don't accept the deal.
What if your script doesn't work? (please don't say something like "It will work because we created the aimbot and we know how it works")
Simply, if it doesn't work, I will not offer it on first place, and you can easily ban us again...
But in the case it doesn't work and you get banned again, will you develop your new hacks?
No...
But if it works, and we get unbanned, maybe we will help in developing the game, not developing hacks. So in this way, the talent will be used in a good way.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 01, 2018, 09:17:15 pm
Deal Morphine, you will get the script in two weeks. The owner will stop developing aimlocks, and you are safe. Morphine, I do trust you, but keep in mind, if you don't unban me, Mimo, blister and Thorax, new deadly hacks will be released and only god will be able to stop it. Don't take it as a threat but just saying.

@Siezer , I tried to change but no one was interested. Somtimes the strict way is the only way.

Edit : @Morphine, You are free to unban us when you are convinced of the script.

done deal
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 01, 2018, 09:18:52 pm
Yes, if I give him the script and he don't unban us. Not if you don't accept the deal.
What if your script doesn't work? (please don't say something like "It will work because we created the aimbot and we know how it works")
Simply, if it doesn't work, I will not offer it on first place, and you can easily ban us again...
But in the case it doesn't work and you get banned again, will you develop your new hacks?
No...
But if it works, and we get unbanned, maybe we will help in developing the game, not developing hacks. So in this way, the talent will be used in a good way.

I wrote about this ages ago

I'll double post seeing as there is something I'd like to state that I did not state in the previous post

The fact of the matter is that people like you, NO_MERCY, are indeed people with immense talent and potential. Time over time you have demonstrated that you know how to fuck with the system, and that is a talent not everyone has been blessed with. However, you are directing this talent in a completely counterproductive direction, and I don't fail to understand why, it is quite evident.

The problem with the above is that in such a case, you are temporarily benefiting from this situation with the gift of attention, a gift that is very relative in its nature, and a gift that is not exactly a gift to begin with. All you are doing right now is tarnishing your name, promoting anger and disappointment among the players of this community that put in their best efforts to make this community a better place and sweat their fucking balls out even though time is very limited for them.

I, as one of the most influential people in this community, implore you to seek reason and see for yourself the counter-productivity in your doings. I, like no other, know what it feels like to walk in shit because I've been there myself. Trust me, at some point, it does not end well, not well at all. I am personally ready to assist you with channeling your marvelous talent in the right direction as I have the right resources and know the right people to initiate such a process, but I cannot force you to change your mind. It is all up to you.

Have a good day, and take it easy

As for the people that see benefit in banning people like NO_MERCY off of servers - I do not classify this as exemplary behavior either. The more you fight fire with fire, the larger the fire becomes. It is a vicious circle that I see no end in.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Knucis on February 01, 2018, 09:28:53 pm
Hackers making demands? And people are actually buying into that shit?
Wtf is going on here?
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: ELK on February 01, 2018, 10:07:24 pm
but keep in mind, if you don't unban me, Mimo, blister and Thorax, new deadly hacks will be released and only god will be able to stop it. Don't take it as a threat but just saying.

WTF LOL

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 01, 2018, 10:13:47 pm
but keep in mind, if you don't unban me, Mimo, blister and Thorax, new deadly hacks will be released and only god will be able to stop it. Don't take it as a threat but just saying.
WTF LOL

Yes, if I give him the script and he don't unban us. Not if you don't accept the deal.

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 02, 2018, 12:36:21 am
but keep in mind, if you don't unban me, Mimo, blister and Thorax, new deadly hacks will be released and only god will be able to stop it. Don't take it as a threat but just saying.
WTF LOL
Yes, if I give him the script and he don't unban us. Not if you don't accept the deal.[/size]


why in a world you're allowed to visit this forums and write shit?
Don't take it as a threat but just saying.
giving threats then saying it's just sayings, and why the fuck morphine is interested in your deal,damn, where's Stormeus,we want ban hammers before this conclusion topic get converted into another trash topic..
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 02, 2018, 01:12:17 am
oh he won't be replying here anymore, don't worry


apologies for the inconveniences caused, have fun disabling headshots
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PunkNoodle on February 02, 2018, 01:17:22 am
So tell me how is Thorax going to counteract his UID changer exactly? And I don't really understand what you are trying to pull off, apparently you guys can ban evade easily and you keep on relying on that for all I care. You totally flushed your reputation in the toilet to the point of no return, and exactly in the moment where you had just started to rehabilitate your persona. Figures, your appeal in lw was even acknowledged and let it go for a while.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NewK on February 02, 2018, 02:43:53 am
In behalf of CTF, no, we won't accept any kind of deal with you. Why?


It's only been 5 months since you were banned and you were already given a free pass to participate on VW and now even LW is considering giving you a chance. Now, It's not my place to tell others how to run to their servers/events and I'm all for second chances but only as long as you comply with the punishment you were given FIRST. And what did you do after you were banned? You started ban evading... 5 months have passed and you're already complaining that no one is willing to give you a 2nd chance and that no one believes in you. Actions have consequences. What do you think was gonna happen? You say "sorry" and everyone starts treating you nicely automatically? You should know this "path to redemption" that you're on is obviously going to take some hard work and a lot of time. It takes a lot more time to build trust than it takes to destroy it. 5 months is not enough time to regain trust. If you want people to believe in you and trust in what you say you need to give them time and be patient. But you want none of that, you want instant forgiveness from everyone.

You were banned for 6 months on the CTF server. Which is a very lenient punishment for what you did, yet your actions after you were banned and your attitude on this topic shows you don't regret anything that you've done, you're just trying to save your ass with these shady deals.


I don't get why there's such a massive freakout about this situation, hacks have always existed in VCMP and in every other multiplayer game. Do any of you really believe there's never going to exist hacks in VCMP? Please, get real. There isn't any game that doesn't have cheats. I mean jesus christ, 0.3x had no cheat protection, all sorts of cheats and trainers worked there and alot of people were banned, you didn't see anyone freaking out like this, making deals with cheaters and whatnot. You know it's funny. Back in the day there were alot less players, the playercount was very low but server admins were alot more strict with their punishments, hackers always received permanent bans. These strict "permanent" punishments might have been a mistake back then because the player count was so low. But nowadays the playercount's higher, yet, server staff across vcmp servers has become more lenient with their punishments. It should've been the other way around really...

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 02, 2018, 03:10:44 am
Potassium
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Lilama on February 02, 2018, 06:55:11 am
Who is thorax and why the hell you are insisting to ruin our only entertaining game, fuck you, fuck thorax and fuck mimo, dont piss me off more or i will let israel hackers to shut down whole lebanon you fucking asshole, fuck you once again
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 02, 2018, 07:21:56 am
Who is thorax and why the hell you are insisting to ruin our only entertaining game, fuck you, fuck thorax and fuck mimo, dont piss me off more or i will let israel hackers to shut down whole lebanon you fucking asshole, fuck you once again
sweetheart with wise words :')
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PANZER24 on February 02, 2018, 07:26:03 am
If you don't stop fighting and saying useless words I'm going to get back to Half-Life.
Here is my point of view:
-first thing, if I had a server I'll accept the deal with no_mercy, its just a game after all.Letting him play without hacks wouldn't damage the server at all.
-Second thing, I dont see any danger accepting the script as it would block aimbot.These days, many noobs and players were using aimbot(including marineforce,kurnas,tiburoncin...) they were ruining the game and where are you staff  >:(
-Third thing, since releasing aimbot, everyone knew it and some of players needed it as they're noob ingame and they want to show everone else that theyre pros. this is the reason of the big number of aimbot users
-fourth thing, in most servers sometime there wouldn't any staff member online, hackers just get in and ruin our game so keep in mind that banning hackers and users of aimbot isnt easy.
-fifth thing, unbanning two players and getting rid of users of aimbot is a successeful deal.as they wont play with hacks.Also, its an advantage to have no aimbotters in the server.
now I'm getting back to topic: We must disable headshots because it would make the game boring as there are many pros that kill on the head instantly thats why halflife is more famous than VCMP  and it is now 20th years old.
because developpers of a company produced it. they knew how to make it famous and fun in playing. not like VCMP, its just produced by some people who have a large spare time.
sORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Sora_Blue on February 02, 2018, 07:51:10 am
It's sad that Gangstaras's viewpoint isn't supported more widely.
This, and everything else in your reply. Completely agree.

The only real solution is getting the devs to wake up and push a fix.
This would only be a temporary fix considering how many resources and time goes into updating said aimlock frequently.
Unless the devs maintain activity and not go AWOL after one update again this won't solve anything.
Tbh, the entire thing isn't that hard to block, all you gotta do is detect said software from injecting into the game and autoban/block them.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Siezer on February 02, 2018, 12:05:31 pm
If you don't stop fighting and saying useless words I'm going to get back to Half-Life.
Here is my point of view:
-first thing, if I had a server I'll accept the deal with no_mercy, its just a game after all.Letting him play without hacks wouldn't damage the server at all.
-Second thing, I dont see any danger accepting the script as it would block aimbot.These days, many noobs and players were using aimbot(including marineforce,kurnas,tiburoncin...) they were ruining the game and where are you staff  >:(
-Third thing, since releasing aimbot, everyone knew it and some of players needed it as they're noob ingame and they want to show everone else that theyre pros. this is the reason of the big number of aimbot users
-fourth thing, in most servers sometime there wouldn't any staff member online, hackers just get in and ruin our game so keep in mind that banning hackers and users of aimbot isnt easy.
-fifth thing, unbanning two players and getting rid of users of aimbot is a successeful deal.as they wont play with hacks.Also, its an advantage to have no aimbotters in the server.
now I'm getting back to topic: We must disable headshots because it would make the game boring as there are many pros that kill on the head instantly thats why halflife is more famous than VCMP  and it is now 20th years old.
because developpers of a company produced it. they knew how to make it famous and fun in playing. not like VCMP, its just produced by some people who have a large spare time.
sORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH.

K, thx for info. Appreciated. ???
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Milko on February 02, 2018, 02:31:16 pm
Who is thorax and why the hell you are insisting to ruin our only entertaining game, fuck you, fuck thorax and fuck mimo, dont piss me off more or i will let israel hackers to shut down whole lebanon you fucking asshole, fuck you once again
sweetheart with wise words :')

e-Thug
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 02, 2018, 03:57:05 pm
Who is thorax and why the hell you are insisting to ruin our only entertaining game, fuck you, fuck thorax and fuck mimo, dont piss me off more or i will let israel hackers to shut down whole lebanon you fucking asshole, fuck you once again
sweetheart with wise words :')

e-Thug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsiwC-4kZzY
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: SMD on February 02, 2018, 04:02:30 pm
No... My pero headshots...
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Dz.74zZ on February 02, 2018, 07:37:28 pm
It's so sad to see how things evolved in this game and community. To think that we are even letting morphine have a word about this issue and watch him , the creator of all hate and despair, a well known hacker in the golden times, supporting another toxic trash, that was send to our planet only to cause chaos and to ruin all that was achieved in this game by us (COMMUNITY).

Are you really negotiating with "terrorists"?

@Charley is right! disable it is the way!!!

Start the flame on me now..it's tax free!
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 02, 2018, 07:47:47 pm
It's so sad to see how things evolved in this game and community. To think that we are even letting morphine have a word about this issue and watch him , the creator of all hate and despair, a well known hacker in the golden times, supporting another toxic trash, that was send to our planet only to cause chaos and to ruin all that was achieved in this game by us (COMMUNITY).

Are you really negotiating with "terrorists"?

@Charley is right! disable it is the way!!!

Start the flame on me now..it's tax free!

a hacker turned manager of all the most important servers in VC-MP at some point (VL, XE, EA and now LW) and most influential and interesting man in VC-MP after ULK.HeAD himself :)

it’s crazy how the tables have turned, eh?

thank you regardless :)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Dz.74zZ on February 02, 2018, 07:52:04 pm

a hacker turned manager of all the most important servers in VC-MP at some point (VL, XE, EA and now LW) and most influential and interesting man in VC-MP after ULK.HeAD himself :)

it’s crazy how the tables have turned, eh?

thank you regardless :)

Thats what is the most shocking Circle!
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 02, 2018, 07:57:33 pm

a hacker turned manager of all the most important servers in VC-MP at some point (VL, XE, EA and now LW) and most influential and interesting man in VC-MP after ULK.HeAD himself :)

it’s crazy how the tables have turned, eh?

thank you regardless :)

Thats what is the most shocking Circle!

yes, close to unbelievable :)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: KILLERX. on February 03, 2018, 08:20:07 am
If you don't stop fighting and saying useless words I'm going to get back to Half-Life.
Here is my point of view:
-first thing, if I had a server I'll accept the deal with no_mercy, its just a game after all.Letting him play without hacks wouldn't damage the server at all.
-Second thing, I dont see any danger accepting the script as it would block aimbot.These days, many noobs and players were using aimbot(including marineforce,kurnas,tiburoncin...) they were ruining the game and where are you staff  >:(
-Third thing, since releasing aimbot, everyone knew it and some of players needed it as they're noob ingame and they want to show everone else that theyre pros. this is the reason of the big number of aimbot users
-fourth thing, in most servers sometime there wouldn't any staff member online, hackers just get in and ruin our game so keep in mind that banning hackers and users of aimbot isnt easy.
-fifth thing, unbanning two players and getting rid of users of aimbot is a successeful deal.as they wont play with hacks.Also, its an advantage to have no aimbotters in the server.
now I'm getting back to topic: We must disable headshots because it would make the game boring as there are many pros that kill on the head instantly thats why halflife is more famous than VCMP  and it is now 20th years old.
because developpers of a company produced it. they knew how to make it famous and fun in playing. not like VCMP, its just produced by some people who have a large spare time.
sORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH.
I aGrEe WiTh yOu tHeY aRe fIgHtInG lIkE pErOs aNd I hAtE tHeM he will KilL them Ok dOnT lEaVe vCmP pLeAsE wE nEeD yOU
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Charley on February 04, 2018, 02:02:14 pm
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Ffacebook%2F000%2F353%2F279%2Fe31.jpg&hash=a84e389ab9355dad3bcece3af5d81f17)

Happy to see so many thoughtful and intelligent contributions to this discussion!

I have given my two cents already, but can now say I'm agnostic as to the best solution to this problem. There are some really interesting solutions being proposed in the VU private boards, and I heard that EC are working on some cool stuff too. Hopefully someone will be able to solve this thing without anyone having to surrender themselves to the blackmail bullshit that No_Mercy is trying to pull.

To those calling for No_Mercy to be banned from the VU forum, simple answer: No. We have two options when trying to solve problems and change people's behaviour: conversation, or violence. Conversation is always the best tool we have for solving problems, and silencing people stops conversation in its tracks. After that, we're left with violence as our only option. Violence in this context takes the form of bans on one side, and more hacks, ddossing, and general attacks on the mod on the other. I think we can all agree that we want to limit that shit.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 04, 2018, 02:26:31 pm
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Ffacebook%2F000%2F353%2F279%2Fe31.jpg&hash=a84e389ab9355dad3bcece3af5d81f17)

Happy to see so many thoughtful and intelligent contributions to this discussion!

I have given my two cents already, but can now say I'm agnostic as to the best solution to this problem. There are some really interesting solutions being proposed in the VU private boards, and I heard that EC are working on some cool stuff too. Hopefully someone will be able to solve this thing without anyone having to surrender themselves to the blackmail bullshit that No_Mercy is trying to pull.

To those calling for No_Mercy to be banned from the VU forum, simple answer: No. We have two options when trying to solve problems and change people's behaviour: conversation, or violence. Conversation is always the best tool we have for solving problems, and silencing people stops conversation in its tracks. After that, we're left with violence as our only option. Violence in this context takes the form of bans on one side, and more hacks, ddossing, and general attacks on the mod on the other. I think we can all agree that we want to limit that shit.

you can talk the talk all you want but don't forget that conversations need to be accompanied by actions eventually

so far, none of you, apart from myself, have come up with anything worth taking action on

meanwhile, LW is going to be safe of this particular category of cheats in due time

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Charley on February 04, 2018, 02:55:05 pm
you can talk the talk all you want but don't forget that conversations need to be accompanied by actions eventually

so far, none of you, apart from myself, have come up with anything worth taking action on

I think you missed my point. If No_Mercy had been banned from the forum, no deal would have even been discussed. You and No_Mercy came to a joint decision through conversation, no violence necessary. But please, do continue to suck your own dick. I'm sure the more you brag about your achievements and how great you are, the more people will think that you're the 'most interesting man in VC:MP'  :).
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 04, 2018, 03:01:50 pm
you can talk the talk all you want but don't forget that conversations need to be accompanied by actions eventually

so far, none of you, apart from myself, have come up with anything worth taking action on

I think you missed my point. If No_Mercy had been banned from the forum, no deal would have even been discussed. You and No_Mercy came to a joint decision through conversation, no violence necessary. But please, do continue to suck your own dick. I'm sure the more you brag about your achievements and how great you are, the more people will think that you're the 'most interesting man in VC:MP'  :).

heh, thank you for the input

will continue exactly as per your recommendations

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 04, 2018, 03:16:40 pm
Charley, I like conversing with you cuz I see you are a wise person, so please, understand my point and don't take it as a threat. Let's suppose that you and your team found the best solution for this, will you be happy because you got rid of this problem ? no. why ? because new hacks will be created, and aimlock will be a small drop of water in a big sea of the hacks that will be released. So what you are doing now will be demolished in the future. I'll repeat again, don't take this as a threat, it's a fact.
On the other hand, we can help this community and the game be better. We can provide a better future for VCMP, we can help in making fantastic updates, making other anti-cheat scripts, etc...
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: GangstaRas on February 04, 2018, 03:43:13 pm
Charley, I like conversing with you cuz I see you are a wise person, so please, understand my point and don't take it as a threat. Let's suppose that you and your team found the best solution for this, will you be happy because you got rid of this problem ? no. why ? because new hacks will be created, and aimlock will be a small drop of water in a big sea of the hacks that will be released. So what you are doing now will be demolished in the future. I'll repeat again, don't take this as a threat, it's a fact.
On the other hand, we can help this community and the game be better. We can provide a better future for VCMP, we can help in making fantastic updates, making other anti-cheat scripts, etc...

(https://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Window_9a7aaf_1764899.jpg)


This is you and your services.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 04, 2018, 04:30:30 pm
for the love of non-existent Christ

the guy has made a mistake, a severe mistake, I agree. we all make mistakes. as I wrote earlier, he’s on a guilt trip.

get your jolly proud heads out of your fucking asses and open up the valves in your ears and hear him out

please

yes we can’t all be as perfect as the super perfect VU clan but that’s just how life fucking is, sorry
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Radon on February 04, 2018, 04:40:22 pm
super perfect VU clan
super perfect VU clan
super perfect VU clan

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Fmobile%2F000%2F016%2F729%2Flarge.jpg&hash=62c4b14f367699966f4c973cb0dfdbe4)



no
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: KILLERX. on February 04, 2018, 04:46:54 pm
=TRC=No_MeRcy
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Silent on February 04, 2018, 04:50:42 pm
Why cant we all just use shotguns. They better ok  >:(
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on February 04, 2018, 05:12:37 pm
Charley, I like conversing with you cuz I see you are a wise person, so please, understand my point and don't take it as a threat. Let's suppose that you and your team found the best solution for this, will you be happy because you got rid of this problem ? no. why ? because new hacks will be created, and aimlock will be a small drop of water in a big sea of the hacks that will be released. So what you are doing now will be demolished in the future. I'll repeat again, don't take this as a threat, it's a fact.
On the other hand, we can help this community and the game be better. We can provide a better future for VCMP, we can help in making fantastic updates, making other anti-cheat scripts, etc...
You're not the only programmers/scripters in this community, you're not the only that can make hacks/anti hacks. We will find a solution, new hacks will be created, we will find a solution again. You can't stop cheaters with your 100% effective script, we can get rid of them without you.

We don't want to deal with terrorist just because they offer to protect us from future terrorist, we need soldiers (admins) and scientist (programmers/scripters) who want to make this community and this game better and will fight for it. I would consider what you did as treason to this community.

for the love of non-existent Christ

the guy has made a mistake, a severe mistake, I agree. we all make mistakes. as I wrote earlier, he’s on a guilt trip.

get your jolly proud heads out of your fucking asses and open up the valves in your ears and hear him out

please

yes we can’t all be as perfect as the super perfect VU clan but that’s just how life fucking is, sorry
He made a mistake, some people gave him a 2nd opportunity. Now he is trying to get unbanned at every server by offering his 100% effective anti aimlock script. Also he thinks that he is the only one that can help us because without him we won't be able to get rid of newer hacks.

Why cant we all just use RPG. They better ok  >:(
;D
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PANZER24 on February 04, 2018, 06:00:27 pm
Tobi0> Terrorists.
lol!!!allahu akbar
if you have probs with terrorist heres the best solution:

(https://i.imgur.com/FGRdc1u.jpg)

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: EvilSpiriT on February 04, 2018, 06:22:29 pm
No mercy and his wit-smart scheme be like:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/394123026704105475/409774598054215680/IMG_20180204_232234.png)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 04, 2018, 06:38:30 pm
I’m done here
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Kelvin on February 04, 2018, 07:24:37 pm
@nomercy who are you and what is your purpose.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 04, 2018, 08:03:07 pm
@nomercy who are you and what is your purpose.
Aliens sent me to occupy your planet.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Kelvin on February 04, 2018, 10:51:03 pm
@nomercy who are you and what is your purpose.
Aliens sent me to occupy your planet.

You failed. Now stay away from my planet.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NewK on February 05, 2018, 01:48:30 am
Sorry as this post might get a little offtopic, but this has to be said.

@Morphine  I'm not sure if you're actually talking for real or just trolling when you say " none of you, apart from myself, have come up with anything worth taking action on" and "get your jolly proud heads out of your fucking asses ". Although you use different accounts for trolling so I'm just going to assume you're actually talking seriously. I'm gonna stop sugarcoating things because I think you can take it. Don't see this as me flaming, but more of a wake up call for you which has been a long time coming. Apologies in advance If i'm too blunt. You're acting like an arrogant fool as of late ( I say late because I don't recall you being like this before). I'll go so far as to say you're even quite delusional at times and completely clueless of whats going on around you.

The delusion

The arrogance
I am superior, I am a leader, I am the people’s champion
I am as respected in the real life society as I am here.
I, being the good man I am
a respected sports figure
I, as one of the most influential people in this community
and most influential and interesting man in VC-MP after ULK.HeAD himself :)
I think this speaks for itself. I mean, I'm not saying you haven't received praise or compliments from other people, I believe you have, you're a capable person and I'm not trying to belittle your achievements. But let's be honest here, anyone in a position of power (server admin/clan leader/forum admin or mod), has received praise/compliments at some point. Be it from ass-kissers or be it from honest people. But it's necessary not to let it go up to our heads. But you my friend, have been completely consumed by it. You've been consumed by your ego at this point.
get your jolly proud heads out of your fucking asses
And after all that, we're the ones who need to get our heads out of our asses? You're completely clueless of how arrogant and self-absorbed you look sometimes. I say this with the best intentions that you'll take this as chance for a much needed introspection. Or if you don't care about how others see you, just ignore it then I guess...
the guy has made a mistake, a severe mistake, I agree. we all make mistakes. as I wrote earlier, he’s on a guilt trip.
No, he's made several (and continues making them) but hey I get it, and as I already said this guy was banned for 6 months from the CTF server. His ban expires next month. After bans expire everyone deserves a 2nd chance in my opinion. But until then, he'll be treated the same way as any other cheater (no deals from my side). The thing is, he's not interested in regaining people's trust. Because regaining trust takes time and he doesn't want to wait. What he wants is instant forgiveness from everyone because he said sorry.
so far, none of you, apart from myself, have come up with anything worth taking action on
Yes there is. I've told you already without nametags the hacks won't work. GangstaRas' suggestion is also viable up to a certain degree (infact, a variant of this type of detection has been in place for quite sometime on some servers). And there's already more servers with more scripts in the works. If you were willing to work with the community, the community would be willing to work with you, but instead you want to work with cheaters instead, the ones responsible for this mess. As I already said, it's not my place to tell others how to run their servers, except that on this case you're not affecting just LW with your decision, you're affecting the whole community, all other servers too. You're not seeing the bigger picture here morph. You're just looking for a quick fix. By accepting this deal you're effectively turning VC:MP into a playground for hackers. They will now keep creating new hacks and cheats and come test it on VC:MP. Then after they're done spreading the hacks and exausting server staff teams, they will provide a "fix" for it and then continously keep repeating this cycle. You're creating additional work for vcmp devs and releasing a plague of hacks all over the community like this.

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 05, 2018, 02:33:43 am
yours is an opinion I respect dearly, NewK, since you never write anything superfluous. however, I must disagree, for I am the last person looking for a quick fix here. the people looking for a quick fix here are the same ones proposing ultimately disabling headshots. this “quick fix” will take 2 weeks to make, so I highly doubt that it is by any means quicker than the initially proposed idea. therefore, instant forgiveness is also out of the question. this kid is putting in work to unfuck a situation he initially fucked up.

all I can tell you at this point in time is that time will tell

I’m putting my entire VC-MP career at stake here. if it goes wrong, I am ready for any and every consequence on the planet.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Nimitz222 on February 05, 2018, 03:42:06 am
=TRC=No_MeRcy
TRC want team with ON xddddd
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: MasterOz on February 05, 2018, 04:26:14 am
=TRC=No_MeRcy
TRC want team with ON xddddd
STFO & GTFO
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Xmair on February 05, 2018, 04:48:13 am
=TRC=No_MeRcy
TRC want team with ON xddddd
STFO & GTFO
stfo = shut the fuck off ???
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Sora_Blue on February 05, 2018, 10:01:09 am
=TRC=No_MeRcy
TRC want team with ON xddddd
You need to fuck off as you are one of the users and distributors of this fucking hack.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 05, 2018, 10:47:30 am
=TRC=No_MeRcy
TRC want team with ON xddddd

I’d rather hang myself than team up with ON, or you for that matter


Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Charley on February 05, 2018, 01:59:46 pm
As I said a couple of pages ago, I'm agnostic about all of the solutions offered at the moment. I've updated the first post to reflect this:

<Disclaimer> After the following discussion, I no longer believe that disabling headshots is the best solution to this problem. I don't have a firm opinion on what the best solution is, but this isn't it. The discussion does illuminate some very interesting an potentially valuable solutions, however, so I encourage people to read through.

understand my point and don't take it as a threat.

I won't wade into the discussion on how you've presented your ideas to the community, because I think others have articulated what I would want to say perfectly.

I honestly don't know the best solution here, whether it's Morphine's or one of those being attempted by various scripters and servers. The proof will lie in whether they or you can be effective or not.

I personally agree with NewK that, even if you do supply an effective script, you shouldn't be unbanned instantly. You did the crime, so you have to serve the time. But think of it this way: if you're in prison, and you behave well, contribute to the community there, then you are more likely to make parole, you are more likely to have your sentence reduced. That is the attitude I think we should adopt towards you and your compatriots. If you provide an effective script, I believe that any permabans should be reduced to six-month bans, and any six-month bans can be reduced to perhaps 4-month bans. It is possible to find a balance here.

P.S. I just want to say, I think this is the most enjoyable drama I've witnessed in VC:MP for years. Recently Morph and I were remonstrating about the fact that every drama these days devolves into an over-emotional, illiterate mess. This drama, in contrast, has provoked some of the best and most influential minds in VC:MP to engage in considered, thoughtful, intelligent and (relatively) polite debate. Fuckin A.

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Milko on February 05, 2018, 02:30:46 pm
the solution is here... wanna join?

(https://i.imgur.com/YAklDXV.jpg)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 05, 2018, 02:48:38 pm
I am enough with being fucking unliked, I am enough with trolling, I am enough with all this shit. I really want to help the community, so fuck this deal. I'll give the script to all stuff members in all the servers. I sincerely want to help this community and rebuild what I've destroyed. If you think that I am scamming you to make more problems, you can check the script before running it into the game. Believe me, I want to get rid of the hate I got, I want to feel comfortable with my conscience.
Few days and the script will be ready, please be patient.
About unbanning me or decreasing my ban date, I don't care anymore, all I care about now is repairing what was broken. It's up to you now to decrease my ban, no need for deals anymore.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: KILLERX. on February 05, 2018, 03:08:40 pm
I am enough with being fucking unliked, I am enough with trolling, I am enough with all this shit. I really want to help the community, so fuck this deal. I'll give the script to all stuff members in all the servers. I sincerely want to help this community and rebuild what I've destroyed. If you think that I am scamming you to make more problems, you can check the script before running it into the game. Believe me, I want to get rid of the hate and I got, I want to feel comfortable with my conscience.
Few days and the script will be ready, please be patient.
About unbanning me or decreasing my ban date, I don't care anymore, all I care about now is repairing what was broken. It's up to you now to decrease my ban, no need for deals anymore.
now sounds good
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: SpiralRock on February 05, 2018, 04:36:19 pm
11 pages of super exciting popcorn stuff. Please continue.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Dr.Shawn on February 05, 2018, 06:54:11 pm
the solution is here... wanna join?

(https://i.imgur.com/YAklDXV.jpg)
Saste nashee...
Marega tu
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Kelvin on February 05, 2018, 09:05:48 pm
Doesnt matter if you give the fix to only 1 staff team or every staff team. You are the one who is not reliable up here. This community can keep going without any help coming from you or your friends. You've never broken anything that cant be rebuilt without your support.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 05, 2018, 09:10:00 pm
Potassium
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 06, 2018, 02:10:45 am
I am enough with being fucking unliked, I am enough with trolling, I am enough with all this shit. I really want to help the community, so fuck this deal. I'll give the script to all stuff members in all the servers. I sincerely want to help this community and rebuild what I've destroyed. If you think that I am scamming you to make more problems, you can check the script before running it into the game. Believe me, I want to get rid of the hate I got, I want to feel comfortable with my conscience.
Few days and the script will be ready, please be patient.
About unbanning me or decreasing my ban date, I don't care anymore, all I care about now is repairing what was broken. It's up to you now to decrease my ban, no need for deals anymore.
I still don't trust you or your sugarcoated bullshit,  as Kelv said many come and go,  many tried their best destroying the community, they ended nowhere and we're here rolling in 2018, if we survived those brutal threats then this shit shouldn't be a problem for sure, it's just that you're safe also allowed to spit shit because Stormeus isn't around, if he was here, I am sure he would've shown you middle finger, along with a forum ban first for threatening the community as a circumstances for betraying you after your so called deal, deal of what? deal of fixing things around which are broken because of your retardness,

If your parents used a condom that night or that tharox's parents, then we should be enjoying vcmp instead of finding solutions here
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Charley on February 06, 2018, 02:12:28 am
I really want to help the community, so fuck this deal. I'll give the script to all stuff members in all the servers. I sincerely want to help this community and rebuild what I've destroyed.

Glad to hear it. I hope it works.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Sora_Blue on February 06, 2018, 04:32:33 am
I'd just prefer Ray to come back and steal another 20000 passwords, thank you.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Milko on February 06, 2018, 05:09:49 am
depends on what plant he's smoking
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Kelvin on February 06, 2018, 06:34:11 am
Potassium

Instead of giving stupid answers and rating brain donor, try to give logical and proper answers which can keep your ideas valuable and relevant.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 06, 2018, 07:39:58 am
Potassium

Instead of giving stupid answers and rating brain donor, try to give logical and proper answers which can keep your ideas valuable and relevant.
out of his syllabus bro, potassium's symbol is actually K, he's trying to be smartass applying chemistry over a game forums, just as he got nothing else to say, don't expect much from these cheaters.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NO_MERCY on February 06, 2018, 12:44:02 pm
Go fuck yourself motherfucker, I am now fucking enough with this. Even I showed my respect to you, you are fucking acting as a fucking motherfucker. Fuck you Karan, the deal is on again, I return to my first intention. I want my demands, otherwise, go fuck yourself.
Really sometimes the strict way is the only fucking way.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on February 06, 2018, 12:56:16 pm
Go fuck yourself motherfucker, I am now fucking enough with this. Even I showed my respect to you, you are fucking acting as a fucking motherfucker. Fuck you Karan, the deal is on again, I return to my first intention. I want my demands, otherwise, go fuck yourself.
Really sometimes the strict way is the only fucking way.

Really sometimes the strict way is the only fucking way.
Being strict with you was working pretty well, You were going to give us those scripts.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: MasterOz on February 06, 2018, 01:28:58 pm
So,what to do now? Deal over?
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NewK on February 06, 2018, 02:34:41 pm
I am enough with being fucking unliked, I am enough with trolling, I am enough with all this shit. I really want to help the community, so fuck this deal. I'll give the script to all stuff members in all the servers. I sincerely want to help this community and rebuild what I've destroyed. If you think that I am scamming you to make more problems, you can check the script before running it into the game. Believe me, I want to get rid of the hate I got, I want to feel comfortable with my conscience.
Few days and the script will be ready, please be patient.
About unbanning me or decreasing my ban date, I don't care anymore, all I care about now is repairing what was broken. It's up to you now to decrease my ban, no need for deals anymore.
This would be the correct attitude. As I said, all help is welcome (as long as there's no deals). Don't get discouraged every time someone disagrees with you. Prove them wrong instead with your actions, there's still time for it.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 06, 2018, 04:06:34 pm
Go fuck yourself motherfucker, I am now fucking enough with this. Even I showed my respect to you, you are fucking acting as a fucking motherfucker. Fuck you Karan, the deal is on again, I return to my first intention. I want my demands, otherwise, go fuck yourself.
Really sometimes the strict way is the only fucking way.
you weren't capable of fixing anything, so you got me as an excuse, you're having acknowledgement that majority will never accept your filthy deal, you're now showing your real colors as always, people show their real colors at very last moment after all, thank you for taking a u-turn after a commitment and facepalm to those who actually rated his post as "friendly" xD
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PANZER24 on February 06, 2018, 05:11:55 pm
Go fuck yourself motherfucker, I am now fucking enough with this. Even I showed my respect to you, you are fucking acting as a fucking motherfucker. Fuck you Karan, the deal is on again, I return to my first intention. I want my demands, otherwise, go fuck yourself.
Really sometimes the strict way is the only fucking way.
you weren't capable of fixing anything, so you got me as an excuse, you're having acknowledgement that majority will never accept your filthy deal, you're now showing your real colors as always, people show their real colors at very last moment after all, thank you for taking a u-turn after a commitment and facepalm to those who actually rated his post as "friendly" xD
KARAN:Bastard of the year
[/color][/size]
really WTF: anyone makes mistakes and you just here blaming him with no stop.Really stfu dude and dont say bullshit like colours...
Lol  :D
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: ELK on February 06, 2018, 05:42:31 pm
Go fuck yourself motherfucker, I am now fucking enough with this. Even I showed my respect to you, you are fucking acting as a fucking motherfucker. Fuck you Karan, the deal is on again, I return to my first intention. I want my demands, otherwise, go fuck yourself.
Really sometimes the strict way is the only fucking way.
you weren't capable of fixing anything, so you got me as an excuse, you're having acknowledgement that majority will never accept your filthy deal, you're now showing your real colors as always, people show their real colors at very last moment after all, thank you for taking a u-turn after a commitment and facepalm to those who actually rated his post as "friendly" xD

^^^@no_mercu, you gotta make up yo mind whether you are up to help or just waste our time with yo fuckery mami
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 06, 2018, 06:44:38 pm
Go fuck yourself motherfucker, I am now fucking enough with this. Even I showed my respect to you, you are fucking acting as a fucking motherfucker. Fuck you Karan, the deal is on again, I return to my first intention. I want my demands, otherwise, go fuck yourself.
Really sometimes the strict way is the only fucking way.
you weren't capable of fixing anything, so you got me as an excuse, you're having acknowledgement that majority will never accept your filthy deal, you're now showing your real colors as always, people show their real colors at very last moment after all, thank you for taking a u-turn after a commitment and facepalm to those who actually rated his post as "friendly" xD

^^^@no_mercu, you gotta make up yo mind whether you are up to help or just waste our time with yo fuckery mami

well as he said, in case you were reading, we're back to square one, which means help will be given only to those who ask

seeing as I was the only one bothered to give a shit about his offers for help, and cooperate, I'll be the only one getting his help at the moment :) don't take this as arrogance, take it as common sense


Prove them wrong instead with your actions

now separating yourself from the common crowd by using 'them' is wrong NewK, as you were also spilling shit down his throat, and he effectively plans to prove you wrong too

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: NewK on February 06, 2018, 08:58:44 pm
now separating yourself from the common crowd by using 'them' is wrong NewK, as you were also spilling shit down his throat, and he effectively plans to prove you wrong too
No morphine. When I say "them" I was refering to the people who were criticizing him after he showed the right attitude. You did not see me criticize him after he made that specific post did you? I'm not separating myself from the "common crowd" as you call you it.  I still stand behind every single word I wrote and what you call "spilling shit down his throat". I still don't want any deals. I am however separating myself from the people who were criticizing him after he tried to do some good without those deals. Don't try to generalize things here. You insist on seeing things in such a black and white manner (you vs them). Them as the "common crowd" like you call it. This is not the case. When I see him actually taking the right attitude I have no issues giving him props for it, just as when I see him taking the wrong attitude I'll call him out on it.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Milko on February 06, 2018, 09:30:59 pm
who actually read at least a third of the entire topic?
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 06, 2018, 09:54:18 pm
now separating yourself from the common crowd by using 'them' is wrong NewK, as you were also spilling shit down his throat, and he effectively plans to prove you wrong too
No morphine. When I say "them" I was refering to the people who were criticizing him after he showed the right attitude. You did not see me criticize him after he made that specific post did you? I'm not separating myself from the "common crowd" as you call you it.  I still stand behind every single word I wrote and what you call "spilling shit down his throat". I still don't want any deals. I am however separating myself from the people who were criticizing him after he tried to do some good without those deals. Don't try to generalize things here. You insist on seeing things in such a black and white manner (you vs them). Them as the "common crowd" like you call it. This is not the case. When I see him actually taking the right attitude I have no issues giving him props for it, just as when I see him taking the wrong attitude I'll call him out on it.

we can argue on this all we want, but truth be told, I am sick and tired of arguing so I’ll just call this one off from my side and I don’t want to stray off topic any further


you see it your way, I’ll see it my way, not much to it
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: JuaN. on February 06, 2018, 10:50:31 pm
who actually read at least a third of the entire topic?
i did, thanks to tazz, sad thing.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: koray on February 06, 2018, 11:16:08 pm
To me the video below tops up the whole situation of No_mercy and a TL:DR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO4P9koMvpY

You guess the nicks of these 2 people
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PunkNoodle on February 07, 2018, 12:08:06 am
now separating yourself from the common crowd by using 'them' is wrong NewK, as you were also spilling shit down his throat, and he effectively plans to prove you wrong too
No morphine. When I say "them" I was refering to the people who were criticizing him after he showed the right attitude. You did not see me criticize him after he made that specific post did you? I'm not separating myself from the "common crowd" as you call you it.  I still stand behind every single word I wrote and what you call "spilling shit down his throat". I still don't want any deals. I am however separating myself from the people who were criticizing him after he tried to do some good without those deals. Don't try to generalize things here. You insist on seeing things in such a black and white manner (you vs them). Them as the "common crowd" like you call it. This is not the case. When I see him actually taking the right attitude I have no issues giving him props for it, just as when I see him taking the wrong attitude I'll call him out on it.

we can argue on this all we want, but truth be told, I am sick and tired of arguing so I’ll just call this one off from my side and I don’t want to stray off topic any further


you see it your way, I’ll see it my way, not much to it
Not many in this thread seem to argue besides you though, you have done nothing but bashing at numerous people and in turn you've received either polite or no responses. Even now, I don't see any "arguing" from NewK's side. You may impress the younger audience with your "coming off strong" attitude, but when it comes to adult people, you'd better learn some manners if you want to be taken seriously.

As you would tell me: don't take it up you ass, I'm positively criticising you as a prompt for improvement, then it's up to you to take the advice or ignore it.

I don't want to derail this topic, but what must be said must be said. If you feel like bashing at me PM me or create another topic but don't litter this further.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 07, 2018, 12:24:29 am
now separating yourself from the common crowd by using 'them' is wrong NewK, as you were also spilling shit down his throat, and he effectively plans to prove you wrong too
No morphine. When I say "them" I was refering to the people who were criticizing him after he showed the right attitude. You did not see me criticize him after he made that specific post did you? I'm not separating myself from the "common crowd" as you call you it.  I still stand behind every single word I wrote and what you call "spilling shit down his throat". I still don't want any deals. I am however separating myself from the people who were criticizing him after he tried to do some good without those deals. Don't try to generalize things here. You insist on seeing things in such a black and white manner (you vs them). Them as the "common crowd" like you call it. This is not the case. When I see him actually taking the right attitude I have no issues giving him props for it, just as when I see him taking the wrong attitude I'll call him out on it.

we can argue on this all we want, but truth be told, I am sick and tired of arguing so I’ll just call this one off from my side and I don’t want to stray off topic any further


you see it your way, I’ll see it my way, not much to it
Not many in this thread seem to argue besides you though, you have done nothing but bashing at numerous people and in turn you've received either polite or no responses. Even now, I don't see any "arguing" from NewK's side. You may impress the younger audience with your "coming off strong" attitude, but when it comes to adult people, you'd better learn some manners if you want to be taken seriously.

As you would tell me: don't take it up you ass, I'm positively criticising you as a prompt for improvement, then it's up to you to take the advice or ignore it.

I don't want to derail this topic, but what must be said must be said. If you feel like bashing at me PM me or create another topic but don't litter this further.

thanks, don't give a shit
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 07, 2018, 04:52:23 am
KARAN:Bastard of the year
really WTF: anyone makes mistakes and you just here blaming him with no stop.Really stfu dude and dont say bullshit like colours...
Lol  :D
I've no idea who are you and what makes you calling me a bastard,  yeah I've did sins, I've ended many assholes,  I attempted to destroy this community with numerous of DDoS attacks in 2013-14 under someone's order , I've leaked passwords from a stolen server script in 2012,  I was banned from many servers, banned from LW permanently, banned from LUNet for an year,

The matter of fact that, I admitted it all, suffered my punishments, after all that, I come clean,  I never did retardism like this guy, never really threatened anyone in name of deal, like make me admin or I'll ddos your server, unban me from your servers or I'll kill your servers.

This is all pathetic, and not really a kind of thing I'll ever agree to.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: koray on February 07, 2018, 04:35:24 pm
I just went through all of the comments.And I completely agree that its not open to debate for such a deal.But also you guys are going too much over Morphine.I'm not saying it just because he can't take that all,in fact he can.That's just his point of stand from his very character over VCMP.That's why he's a different mind,and also thats why people have servers with different rules and playerbase.He does what he believes is more efficient.It doesnt make him any bad.You just cant force people to change their opinions.

So server managers/scripters are going to do whatever they like.Most of them will take actions regarding the major opinions given here and some of them will make deals with the hackers.And I believe that's okay.Because we also have VCMP devs that would definetely work for the betterment of anti-cheat.So everybody is going to move on.

I strongly recommend an account system to login the client and open VCMP.And some client-sided updates.Like the verification of files before opening the game.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Radon on February 07, 2018, 05:21:28 pm
(https://i2.imgflip.com/244rmt.jpg)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: kennedy on February 07, 2018, 06:47:32 pm
I guess now vcmp has become the hacker world. but I have a minimal solution, it's a bit bad but it scares the hackers. I suppose if we add this script in the servers it will do a little reduction.

Code: [Select]
function onScriptLoad()
{
    Aimbot <- array( GetMaxPlayers(), 0 );
}

function function onPlayerKill( killer, player, reason, bodypart )
{
if ( bodypart == BODYPART_HEAD )
    {
        player.Health = 100;
if( AimBot[killer.ID] > 4 )
{
AimBot[killer.ID] = 0;
            Message("[#ff1111][AIMBOT/AIMLOOK] [#Ffcc11]"+killer.Name+" [#FFFFFF]was auto-kicked, reason[#FF1111]Aimbot-Aimlook [#FFFFFF]detected");
            killer.Kick();
    }
    if( AimBot[killer.ID] < 5 )
{
    AimBot[killer.ID]++;
    }
    }
if ( bodypart != BODYPART_HEAD )
{
AimBot[killer.ID] = 0;
}
}

function onPlayerDeath( player, reason )
{
    AimBot[player.ID] = 0;
}

on the server of [RD] Latin America has scared away many AimLook hackers.
I know it's a bit bad, but it's a good thing, since it's rare for a player to kill 5 people in a row with only Headshot, instead if he kills 4 with headshot and 1 giving him a different part of the body then his stats are deleted from Aimbook.. they can also try to disable the Headshot, but I think it's the same result, it will still cause damage to the player
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PANZER24 on February 07, 2018, 09:38:23 pm
@Karan
Maybe you're right but your manner of talking to no_mercy kind of pissed me off!!!
I don't have anything to add.I agree with charley: disable headshots.
btw in sharks vs marios server there are a lot of hackers and aimbotters and where are ya staff. Fortunately since I'm the only one who wants to stop this and started yelling about those hackers. they- scary of being banned- gave me infinite money. where are you staff??? we're waiting for you.
@kennedy
I dont know anything about scripts so whatever it would happen I hope it would work as well as forgiving no_mercy and mimo for their mistakes and unbanning them  :D :D :D
if they do hack ban them permenantly!!K??
pls they're my friends and god loves us being tolerated with each other so pls.
lol
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 07, 2018, 09:51:55 pm
But also you guys are going too much over Morphine.I'm not saying it just because he can't take that all,in fact he can.That's just his point of stand from his very character over VCMP.That's why he's a different mind,and also thats why people have servers with different rules and playerbase.He does what he believes is more efficient.It doesnt make him any bad.

thank you
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Milko on February 08, 2018, 02:48:10 am
@Karan
Maybe you're right but your manner of talking to no_mercy kind of pissed me off!!!
I don't have anything to add.I agree with charley: disable headshots.
btw in sharks vs marios server there are a lot of hackers and aimbotters and where are ya staff. Fortunately since I'm the only one who wants to stop this and started yelling about those hackers. they- scary of being banned- gave me infinite money. where are you staff??? we're waiting for you.
@kennedy
I dont know anything about scripts so whatever it would happen I hope it would work as well as forgiving no_mercy and mimo for their mistakes and unbanning them  :D :D :D
if they do hack ban them permenantly!!K??
pls they're my friends and god loves us being tolerated with each other so pls.
lol

You're too young to argue with anybody here.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: T_T on February 08, 2018, 05:45:03 am
I think while waiting VC:MP Developer make anti - aimlock We should change to 04rel003. It's just available few slide and aimlock obviously not working there.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Milko on February 08, 2018, 06:00:23 am
truth be told, no matter what is done, anti-aimlock would only be effective for a short period, a week or two, until mimo and no mercy figure out how to break the thing again.

In other words, nope, keeping your staff lists active is THE solution in my opinion.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: ZUBI on February 08, 2018, 06:53:51 am
Fucking 13 pages, Just disable the Damn Toro Headshots

Case solved.

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: KILLERX. on February 08, 2018, 07:24:13 am
Fucking 13 pages, Just disable the Damn Toro Headshots

Case solved.
Remove all weapons  ;D  ;D
Case solved.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 08, 2018, 07:29:54 am
Disassembled those aimbot executable, figured out it's only vcmp-game.dll from rel004 which is involved in all this, I guess so it won't be hard for Stormeus to release an update with changed vcmp-game.dll, it'll eventually prevent ban evades and disable aimbot itself, maybe..
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 08, 2018, 10:39:53 am
truth be told, no matter what is done, anti-aimlock would only be effective for a short period, a week or two, until mimo and no mercy figure out how to break the thing again.



who actually read at least a third of the entire topic?

well I can confidently say that you haven't if you have the notion that NO_MERCY is planning to pull off shit like that :)

Fortunately since I'm the only one who wants to stop this and started yelling about those hackers.

yes, forgive us idiots. you are definitely the only one trying to stop this and you are the only one yelling about hackers. fuck what yours truly, Charley, NewK, GangstaRas and the others have written over fourteen pages of complete non-sense, and fuck the fact that we've been tearing each other apart here! we are a waste of fucking time and air, guys!

you truly come off as the savior of all VC-MP in this case but the only problem is you haven't come up with anything substantial to help resolve the issue at hand
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on February 08, 2018, 01:00:59 pm
@Karan
Maybe you're right but your manner of talking to no_mercy kind of pissed me off!!!
I don't have anything to add.I agree with charley: disable headshots.
btw in sharks vs marios server there are a lot of hackers and aimbotters and where are ya staff. Fortunately since I'm the only one who wants to stop this and started yelling about those hackers. they- scary of being banned- gave me infinite money. where are you staff??? we're waiting for you.
@kennedy
I dont know anything about scripts so whatever it would happen I hope it would work as well as forgiving no_mercy and mimo for their mistakes and unbanning them  :D :D :D
if they do hack ban them permenantly!!K??
pls they're my friends and god loves us being tolerated with each other so pls.
lol

You're too young to argue with anybody here.
then I am too young too?  :(

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 08, 2018, 01:18:14 pm
you truly come off as the savior of all VC-MP in this case but the only problem is you haven't come up with anything substantial to help resolve the issue at hand
Maybe we have some secret idea but we don't want all the people to know it before it is prepared/we know it works.

@Karan
Maybe you're right but your manner of talking to no_mercy kind of pissed me off!!!
I don't have anything to add.I agree with charley: disable headshots.
btw in sharks vs marios server there are a lot of hackers and aimbotters and where are ya staff. Fortunately since I'm the only one who wants to stop this and started yelling about those hackers. they- scary of being banned- gave me infinite money. where are you staff??? we're waiting for you.
@kennedy
I dont know anything about scripts so whatever it would happen I hope it would work as well as forgiving no_mercy and mimo for their mistakes and unbanning them  :D :D :D
if they do hack ban them permenantly!!K??
pls they're my friends and god loves us being tolerated with each other so pls.
lol

You're too young to argue with anybody here.
then I am too young too?  :(



man I wasn’t even talking to you
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on February 08, 2018, 01:20:36 pm
you truly come off as the savior of all VC-MP in this case but the only problem is you haven't come up with anything substantial to help resolve the issue at hand
Maybe we have some secret idea but we don't want all the people to know it before it is prepared/we know it works.

@Karan
Maybe you're right but your manner of talking to no_mercy kind of pissed me off!!!
I don't have anything to add.I agree with charley: disable headshots.
btw in sharks vs marios server there are a lot of hackers and aimbotters and where are ya staff. Fortunately since I'm the only one who wants to stop this and started yelling about those hackers. they- scary of being banned- gave me infinite money. where are you staff??? we're waiting for you.
@kennedy
I dont know anything about scripts so whatever it would happen I hope it would work as well as forgiving no_mercy and mimo for their mistakes and unbanning them  :D :D :D
if they do hack ban them permenantly!!K??
pls they're my friends and god loves us being tolerated with each other so pls.
lol

You're too young to argue with anybody here.
then I am too young too?  :(



man I wasn’t even talking to you
I didn't notice that you were talking to PANZER, sorry.

I read it half asleep so I took all your sarcasm seriously.  :-[
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: biozcalhoun on February 08, 2018, 03:46:46 pm
KARAN:Bastard of the year
really WTF: anyone makes mistakes and you just here blaming him with no stop.Really stfu dude and dont say bullshit like colours...
Lol  :D
I've no idea who are you and what makes you calling me a bastard,  yeah I've did sins, I've ended many assholes,  I attempted to destroy this community with numerous of DDoS attacks in 2013-14 under someone's order , I've leaked passwords from a stolen server script in 2012,  I was banned from many servers, banned from LW permanently, banned from LUNet for an year,

The matter of fact that, I admitted it all, suffered my punishments, after all that, I come clean,  I never did retardism like this guy, never really threatened anyone in name of deal, like make me admin or I'll ddos your server, unban me from your servers or I'll kill your servers.

This is all pathetic, and not really a kind of thing I'll ever agree to.

Same here. I was one of the guys that shared F1 Hack, i ddosed XE, i used many cheats and hacks. And i learned it. After that, i was never unbanned from XE, until the server was closed and reopened with 0.4

And NO_MERCY, i dont know who are you, i haven't even played in the last two years, but you lack of dignity and respect. I don't think that you are even able to make that fix.

By the way, why not to think in disable headshots as a temporaly solution?

Quote
truth be told, no matter what is done, anti-aimlock would only be effective for a short period, a week or two, until mimo and no mercy figure out how to break the thing again.

This is true, in programation there is no system that can be unbreakable. But it always has been like that, always have been cheats, so all the proposals solutions have a mistake, except @Charleyutton by removing the headshots or a very well elaborated fix, which could take a very long time.


Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Silent on February 08, 2018, 04:53:55 pm
Aimlockers are no lifers who decide to use this hack get some kills and then boast about the cries of "hackers" which really warms there heart. most of these hackers are people who get enraged after being killed by people with actual skill so they use hacks to get revenge and then boast that they have skill but really they hacking. The solution is to move away from long range and start using close range more. Shotguns beat all. also m4 is still better than RPG
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Tobi0 on February 08, 2018, 05:07:59 pm
Aimlockers are no lifers who decide to use this hack get some kills and then boast about the cries of "hackers" which really warms there heart. most of these hackers are people who get enraged after being killed by people with actual skill so they use hacks to get revenge and then boast that they have skill but really they hacking. The solution is to move away from long range and start using close range more. Shotguns beat all. also m4 is still better than RPG
also RPG is still better than m4.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PANZER24 on February 08, 2018, 05:40:41 pm
I forgot to say guys (going off-topic) my best friend morphine just rewarded me as I'm the "only one who's yelling about hackers" by muting me forever in LWs server and kicking me because I said "fuck you staff" in sharks vs marios.
Well to be fair I did a mistake by saying this bad word and I told morphine that I'm sorry  but dude muting me forever because I said "good killing morphine" is so magnificent I'm so happy from yesterday I cannot PM as well as I cant talk to everybody or use commands. I'm so grateful for morhpine for doing this.
Here is a detailed topic link: http://littlewhiteys.com/index.php/topic,30811.0.html
I'm so happy oh god pls bless morphine ouhh ;D ;D he's the best he's an angel he's so wise he's the MOST INTERESTING MAN IN VCMP oulala c'est jolie. thank you god I love you morphine pls be happy we're all happy thank god. He does have the greatest mind in the would pls morphine you're the best king I'm so grateful for you  :angel:  :blank:
now thanks to my superhero "Morphine" I no longer need to press "T" in LWs this is good. ^-^
Now getting back to topic here's my opinion:
KARAN:Bastard of the year
really WTF: anyone makes mistakes and you just here blaming him with no stop.Really stfu dude and dont say bullshit like colours...
Lol  :D
I've no idea who are you and what makes you calling me a bastard,  yeah I've did sins, I've ended many assholes,  I attempted to destroy this community with numerous of DDoS attacks in 2013-14 under someone's order , I've leaked passwords from a stolen server script in 2012,  I was banned from many servers, banned from LW permanently, banned from LUNet for an year,

The matter of fact that, I admitted it all, suffered my punishments, after all that, I come clean,  I never did retardism like this guy, never really threatened anyone in name of deal, like make me admin or I'll ddos your server, unban me from your servers or I'll kill your servers.

This is all pathetic, and not really a kind of thing I'll ever agree to.

Same here. I was one of the guys that shared F1 Hack, i ddosed XE, i used many cheats and hacks. And i learned it. After that, i was never unbanned from XE, until the server was closed and reopened with 0.4

And NO_MERCY, i dont know who are you, i haven't even played in the last two years, but you lack of dignity and respect. I don't think that you are even able to make that fix.

By the way, why not to think in disable headshots as a temporaly solution?

Quote
truth be told, no matter what is done, anti-aimlock would only be effective for a short period, a week or two, until mimo and no mercy figure out how to break the thing again.

This is true, in programation there is no system that can be unbreakable. But it always has been like that, always have been cheats, so all the proposals solutions have a mistake, except @Charleyutton by removing the headshots or a very well elaborated fix, which could take a very long time.



Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: SpiralRock on February 08, 2018, 11:43:06 pm
/mute panzer 24h prevent cancer
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: MasterOz on February 09, 2018, 10:19:09 am
Stop tearing each other apart and find a solution pls..

And for the topic,let's just disable headshoots,return to those brave and skilled stubby wars and no more no more khusri m4 wars..

Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: T_T on February 09, 2018, 10:27:32 am
Stop tearing each other apart and find a solution pls..

And for the topic,let's just disable headshoots,return to those brave and skilled stubby wars and no more no more khusri m4 wars..
1 vote for disable your mom.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Silent on February 09, 2018, 12:20:01 pm
Fuck stubby. Chrome is where real skilll lies. Not the op guns like rpg which only no skill players lose. M4 needs to be nerfed so M60 is the new long range soloution
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PANZER24 on February 09, 2018, 01:09:28 pm
Stop tearing each other apart and find a solution pls..

And for the topic,let's just disable headshoots,return to those brave and skilled stubby wars and no more no more khusri m4 wars..
1 vote for disable your mom.
HEY, Don't get parents involved piece of sh**
Fuck stubby. Chrome is where real skilll lies. Not the op guns like rpg which only no skill players lose. M4 needs to be nerfed so M60 is the new long range soloution
I dont think so. Masteroz is RIGHT
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: KILLERX. on February 09, 2018, 01:20:39 pm
Stop tearing each other apart and find a solution pls..

And for the topic,let's just disable headshoots,return to those brave and skilled stubby wars and no more no more khusri m4 wars..
1 vote for disable your mom.
HEY, Don't get parents involved piece of sh**
Fuck stubby. Chrome is where real skilll lies. Not the op guns like rpg which only no skill players lose. M4 needs to be nerfed so M60 is the new long range soloution
I dont think so. Masteroz is RIGHT
grow up mate or stay away from this topic ;)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Milko on February 09, 2018, 01:41:29 pm
man just learn how to beat the cheaters, it's not hard
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 09, 2018, 03:19:46 pm
man just learn how to beat the cheaters, it's not hard
it's not hard for those who're having cheaters in their own clan for sure.. but for a normal guy, it is.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: T_T on February 09, 2018, 03:44:22 pm
Stop tearing each other apart and find a solution pls..

And for the topic,let's just disable headshoots,return to those brave and skilled stubby wars and no more no more khusri m4 wars..
1 vote for disable your mom.
HEY, Don't get parents involved piece of sh**
Fuck stubby. Chrome is where real skilll lies. Not the op guns like rpg which only no skill players lose. M4 needs to be nerfed so M60 is the new long range soloution
I dont think so. Masteroz is RIGHT
Suckers talking about skillz and teach VC:MP Developer about stop aimlocker
I will make application to be your dad.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: KILLERX. on February 09, 2018, 03:58:02 pm
man just learn how to beat the cheaters, it's not hard
it's not hard for those who're having cheaters in their own clan for sure.. but for a normal guy, it is.
now i am expecting more 10 pages  :-X
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: habla on February 09, 2018, 04:41:05 pm
Stop tearing each other apart and find a solution pls..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPBPa2BQFRM
GOAT
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 09, 2018, 05:17:37 pm
man just learn how to beat the cheaters, it's not hard
it's not hard for those who're having cheaters in their own clan for sure.. but for a normal guy, it is.
now i am expecting more 10 pages  :-X
drama is what keeps vcmp interesting after all xD
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: OmaRosh on February 09, 2018, 05:40:10 pm
man just learn how to beat the cheaters, it's not hard
it's not hard for those who're having cheaters in their own clan for sure.. but for a normal guy, it is.
now i am expecting more 10 pages  :-X
drama is what keeps vcmp interesting after all xD
ahh this is not interesting anymore, it's turning to kids talk
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: La[Z]eR on February 09, 2018, 05:58:32 pm
any conclusion NO?
ok i will come later.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 09, 2018, 06:38:24 pm
man just learn how to beat the cheaters, it's not hard
it's not hard for those who're having cheaters in their own clan for sure.. but for a normal guy, it is.

oh shit chapter 2 foreshadowing is intense in this one
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PANZER24 on February 09, 2018, 08:12:21 pm
Am I wrong or everybody is going off-topic ??? ???
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 09, 2018, 08:24:00 pm
Am I wrong or everybody is going off-topic ??? ???


both
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: SuriAttacker on February 10, 2018, 02:23:16 am
man just learn how to beat the cheaters, it's not hard
it's not hard for those who're having cheaters in their own clan for sure.. but for a normal guy, it is.

oh shit chapter 2 foreshadowing is intense in this one
LMFAO
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: GamerViceCity on February 10, 2018, 04:09:45 pm
Nothing,

i think about it  :D
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: PANZER24 on February 10, 2018, 06:14:36 pm
Like sanuallah or whatever his name is just remove the head  :D


(https://i.imgur.com/8yoeuRD.png)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: SanaullaH on February 10, 2018, 07:54:53 pm
Like sanuallah or whatever his name is just remove the head  :D
goto page 6 find my name fix it plox  ::) :P
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: =TRC=Kelvin on February 13, 2018, 11:22:04 pm
bring 0.3z back and problem solved, no complications :blank:
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 14, 2018, 10:03:22 am
bring 0.3z back and problem solved, no complications :blank:

congratulations

you have officially written the stupidest response in this thread
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: =TRC=Kelvin on February 14, 2018, 03:26:29 pm
bring 0.3z back and problem solved, no complications :blank:

congratulations

you have officially written the stupidest response in this thread
it is an honor
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Dr.Shawn on February 15, 2018, 01:18:01 am
bring 0.3z back and problem solved, no complications :blank:

congratulations

you have officially written the stupidest response in this thread
it is an honor
Which one ?
Honor 7,Honor 7x,Honor 8,Honor 8 lite,Honor 9,Honor 10 ???
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: karan on February 15, 2018, 07:33:22 am
bring 0.3z back and problem solved, no complications :blank:

congratulations

you have officially written the stupidest response in this thread
it is an honor
Which one ?
Honor 7,Honor 7x,Honor 8,Honor 8 lite,Honor 9,Honor 10 ???
honor 9 lite is superb
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Rest on February 24, 2018, 10:28:08 am
so whats going on with the deal? or is there a deal or not
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Milko on February 24, 2018, 01:00:41 pm
man no lol why would you disable headshots?
this topic is only useful for drama
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: Charley on February 25, 2018, 06:23:28 am
man no lol why would you disable headshots?
this topic is only useful for drama

He's talking about the deal between Morphine and No_Mercy.
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: RoyStang on February 25, 2018, 09:47:04 am
Allow aimlock every where
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: VoLK on February 25, 2018, 09:49:43 am
man no lol why would you disable headshots?
this topic is only useful for drama

He's talking about the deal between Morphine and No_Mercy.

well this mercy dude told me he was on it like two weeks ago, then told me that this aimbot creator dude's computer broke down and with no notification of progress whatsoever, was ban evading on littlewhiteys under a fake nickname yesterday

verdict: he's full of shit, unfortunately, and nearly all my efforts here were in vain

nearly because he did send me a bit of code which I passed on to AdTec, hope it's any use

but yeah he's not getting unbanned any time soon
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: FuRo[X]o on February 25, 2018, 02:55:20 pm
Just use a gaming mouse or a good than a cheap ones, it will give u a very good acceleration and i bet by using a Gaming Mouse within a month u will be able to beat aimlockers even + after disabling headshot i will leave VCMP :D
I love popping Heads :)
Title: Re: Disable headshots
Post by: SpiralRock on February 28, 2018, 04:42:02 pm
... + after disabling headshot i will leave VCMP :D
I love popping Heads :)
care level -1/10