Vice Underdogs
Vice Underdogs Recruitment => Denied Applications => Topic started by: Vedder on July 29, 2018, 06:45:14 am
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Nick: biozcalhoun
Age: 16
Timezone/Country: GMT -3 / Argentina
Previous Nicks: Calhoun, Killah, Stallin
Additional Comments: After thinking a decent amount of time and consulting members of this clan, trying to fix my relationship and get good views from almost all of it; i'm here because i believe this is the correct choice. Things weren't that good after leaving and i consider that leaving was a bad decision. Even knowing that my chances to join now are minimal, and taking into account that my loyalty is behind the loop, i'd still like to hear what do you guys think about me and i'm here to reply any kind of question that you wanna make. I consider leaving the clan was a wrong decision and i'm certainly the only and unique responsible for taking it. I'd like to have a new opportunity to show this family that i'm worth wearing this tag and being part of it. If needed to explain my kick from OSK i'll go ahead and post all what happened.
As i said, probably my chances are minimal and it's too early but i'd like to hear what you have to say about this application and eventually getting denied i'd like to have a point to see in what i should work on so i can reapply within a few months.
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If I were in your place and had my close friends in VCMP.
I would have done the same and joined their clan.
So I don't see anything wrong in what you did.. I had left [F.B.I] but JuGNoO is still one of my best friends and we respect eachother..
Anyways, Trainee from me and goodluck for others..
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If needed to explain my kick from OSK i'll go ahead and post all what happened.
Neutral. I thought you left osk btw why did you got kicked from osk?
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GL
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Good Luck ;)
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I've never felt wrong for you, you have a great personality but you did mistake I don't think your mistake should be taken that much serious.
Nevertheless, Trainee for you. Hoping the best from you in near future. :thumbsup:
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@Diaz this is the full explanation, wrote some days ago:
Approximately 6th July, some guys (trustable ones) told me that had seen Kaotiv (the temporary leader) testing the aimlock and they said that he was still using it. I had also been suspicious about some guys, which i won't make mention of, so i decided to start an investigation and get evidence to somehow prove that they're guilty and get them banned. Lately, the day of the kick, i saw Kaotiv connected in the OSK Simple deathmatch server; so i decided to join and spectate & record him. However, when i joined there wasn't a command to spec (very simple server, literally) and so i decided to stay and have some fights. There were 5 guys in the server, including Kaotiv and me. So when Kaotiv leaves it, i said that "leaving VU was a very bad decision" so the co-leader, who was also present, took this as lack of loyalty. Thereupon, i revealed the information that some guys gave to me, that Kaotiv is using aimlock so the co-leader told me to talk on IRC. He asked me a few things, like if i felt comfortable in OSK and i replied "whether i'm comfortable or not, i won't leave you guys anyway". The following question was who told me about Kaotiv's aimlock usage, and i didn't reveal any name. Then i said that i feel that the clan would improve if we kick out those aimlockers and dirty players, and i said Kaotiv isn't a guy that i really like, and that disgusts me. Then, he just said: "KICKED FROM THE CLAN" and exited from IRC. Some minutes later, i was permanently banned from the OSK forum without possibility of appeal; and i used a proxy to check what was going on there. They had kicked me. The day after that, i registered a new account by using a proxy again and made a self-defense in the kick topic, the real leader (Hipnos) and some members saw it and agreed with me in most of my points, saying that kicking me was a badly taken decision. The co-leader replied: "Whether it was a bad decision or not, even with all this defense, the decision is already taken". The topic was moved to a private section or deleted, thereby i dunno what happened with it after that.
Thank you Gorcee and Rajput. It's appreciated.
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good luck buddy
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Good luck :)
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hi bro
did you take a shower before applying here? good luck :thumbsup:
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I am willing to give you a chance, if you fuck this one. I am coming after you badly. Hope you must’ve learned a lot in these days.
Trainee
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I know your feeling towards VU and towards OSK now.
I should give you other chance and trainee from my side.
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good luck :thumbsup:
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Good Luck bro :D :D
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I don't see any problem about you joining VU again. GOOD LUCK AMIGO!
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I will give my vote as former vu member, i vote rookie good luck 8)
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No, until you come up clean.
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Trainee
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I am going with a no. I have told you the reason in our chat. You need to regain my trust towards you
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I am going with a no
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I'm neutral at the moment, let me further review your history and that may change my reviews about you.
I don't know you that much, might take some time between you and me.
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Good Luck,you must take shower now plz
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I see the reasons behind the negative votes and i completely understand them. I would vote the same, to be honest haha.
I'm neutral at the moment, let me further review your history and that may change my reviews about you.
I don't know you that much, might take some time between you and me.
My history is, without doubt, probably the worst thing that i have hhhhh. I would also like to know you quite more. Will catch you on LW.
As to end, thanks to all those who believe me and have voted positively. Really unexpected.
Edit: Another thing to clear is that i was going to apply in October/September, because it's too early and certainly trust can't be gained with just words. Only the time itself is able to prove it. I thought that it would be more convenient to apply now and, as the application says, get a general idea of the members regarding me and work for my application in the next month.
I commited a mistake, but i feel that this is the correct answer, and the correct choice this time: i believe VU is the family that will make me better, a family where my friends are and won't dissapoint them again. As i said, words are not enough, just the time will prove it, soon or later.
By the way, i'd like to offer an apology for looking like a stupid, non-loyal clan hopper. My mood swings and complete indecision didn't help and i didn't choose correctly, i didn't make beforehand a detailed review to join a clan and i should have had a deeper awareness of what decision to take, and it was completely bad, inmature and a big mistake from my side. It's the truth, things didn't go like the expected and it's my entire fault for not taking the correct decision on a start. I know that i have commited this mistake as i stated above, and i know that you've lost trustability on me since that; but as i said i believe i'm taking the right decision now by choosing VU again. Norman, Siezer, Sk, JoooOoO, Almo, Tobi0 - i've got friends here, and i did bad by leaving them. Absolutely my fault and i recognize it; I'm asking for one only more chance to prove that i'm worth to wear this tag and to be part of this family again. And in case of getting denied, i'll only stick with trying to join here again because all what i said is real.
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Without a doubt, trainee. One of the best candidate for VU trainee rank
Good luck!!! ;D
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Best of luck, mate! ;D
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I see the reasons behind the negative votes and i completely understand them. I would vote the same, to be honest haha.
My history is, without doubt, probably the worst thing that i have hhhhh. I would also like to know you quite more. Will catch you on LW.
As to end, thanks to all those who believe me and have voted positively. Really unexpected.
Trainee (https://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=9767.msg122891#msg122891)
Edit: i did some research too.
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I don't know you, so neutral atm.
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I don't know you, so neutral atm.
I'll try to catch you in-game and talk a little.
If i have to define myself as honestly as possible, thing that i haven't done in my past application nor now, i'm a guy with a strong personality. I always work alone - i don't like teaming, but if i have to do it, i'm able to. I'm quite emotional sometimes, and specially within these games which are part of my life. I'm also always wanting to have leadership and decisive roles (a fact discovered as well by Charley, and probably one of the reasons of my departure as well). And finally one of my most important characteristics is that i can abuse the shit out of a person sometimes (thing that i've been controlling and i don't do anymore at all) but i can't hate anybody. At the end, i'm considered by the people of my city as a smart guy, but i don't consider myself like that.
I've also wrote beforehand an application, expected to be throwed in at October. There are some important facts/questions that i've replied here.
Now returning to, by my vision, the important facts and questions:
- What has changed.
- Why did i choose VU after having left it.
- If you left VU for "feeling like a ghost", what makes you believe that you will have a better feel now?
Replying to the first question; when i joined VU to be honest i wasn't ready at all - my raging issues started to appear again, and wearing the VU tag during these moments was really bad.I believe after playing in OSK a little and clanless
these days this issue has been solved, as i don't rage anymore when the people kills me; instead of, i keep fighting trying to kill them more times than they kill me, but all just for fun. Also, there were as well some stupid religion abusements from my side to even people of this clan, and i feel like this was the worst thing that i could've ever done. I've learnt that laughing at somebody for its ethnicity, religion or territory is completely sickly and a thing that must not be done. And to be honest, i did it sometimes to apparent "cool" what i consider now as retardness.
That said, i'd like to use this topic as a way to say sorry for this, and even considering that these kind of insults were done when i raged too much in-game, is still pathetic and a retard and cruel way to defend myself. And, at last, what has changed as well are my "mood swings" which i don't know if existed because of my age or something, but i think that i've established a way to be myself and that i've found a solution to this problem, which was one of the causes of my departure. I've been with a good mood during these months and i'm sure that i'm able to keep it up (and i'm also sure that even with a bad one, won't be enough to make such a decision as the one that i made when i left).
Probably it's been a pretty short period to improve all these things, certainly it isn't enough time to become a nice guy. It takes years. And of course i can say that i'm not perfect, nobody is, my improvement hasn't been 100% done yet, but i believe that i have improved considerably and i'm ready to be here. VU takes good players and help them to be even better, and i hope and believe that VU will be that teacher that i've been always needing.
For the second question: Some time ago, after being kicked, i didn't know what to do until i asked for the opinions of some guys. Talking with a lot of friends, i reached to the conclusion that there are and have always been two sides on VC-MP. At one side, was the "dark" part of VC-MP: racist guys, who don't care about religion of the people, make constant abuse of other players and are completely arrogant; and one of the families from the other side is VU; which as from my point of view has been always humble, helpful towards the community and also VU is the alternative to blind arrogance in VC:MP. For a while, i felt like being part of that "dark side" and i realized that i had lost the way and this kind of people is the kind of people that i don't want to be part of. I've been trying to change and to be like that humble Lit.Killah who applied some months ago; i've made a choice and i want to commit myself on helping this community, be part of this great family and based on unity, friendship and good winds & acts make this community better than it is. I'm gonna be more involved and focused with that objective this time, and i know that this is, as i said above, the right way and decision.
And the last question. I think i misunderstood or didn't get the concept of what VU is at all. Ferrari32 helped me to discover this issue, and after this time i think i've finally got it. Also, i can say that i wasn't committed at anything the last time, i was just a guy giving votes on the applications and wearing the trainee tag. I lacked of enthusiasm, determination and ambition. This time i believe i can do better my role here, and i can aspire for having the feel that i didn't have on my past join and i'm focused on doing my best if i get this new opportunity. I wanna be part of the great history of VC:MP and VU and help this community to survive as much as i can. Another thing that i can't skip is the fact of one of my personality's characteristics: desires of leadership role. While myself and Cutton have found such characteristic on me, and probably that's what i meant with: "feeling like a ghost", because i didn't have such an important role in VU and yes i had it on OSK (as stated above for example, i was taken as the EAD League's OSK team leader) i still want to join you guys. I believe that even if my role in VU isn't trascendental during the first steps, and even reaching VU Full Membership it will not be, this is a family, we all are one and i want to be here with my friends, and i'll take a quote from John Quincy Adams, one of the USA past presidents and one of Brian Tracy, a guy who i admire too much.
If your actions encourage others to dream more, learn more, make more and become in something better, then you're a leader.
"Become in the kind of leader who people would follow naturally, even if you don't have the title or the position itselfâ€.
That's what i want to be in VU, my desire. I want to be helped by better people than me to improve, but i'd also like to help others with my actions, even being no more than a common member, i want my actions to be helpful this time.
That said, i'm gonna hear your opinions and accept any kind of critic and reply any answers that you want to do. And a last thing to add, i know that i don't deserve a second chance but i will do all the possible to get it and prove that i won't waste it this time. So far, all what i've wrote here are just words, however, they all can be proved with my behaviour and with good acts.
TL;DR
1)- I left VU for many reasons, including "feeling like a ghost", and i didn't feel important into the most important ones.
2)- After leaving VU i had a bad behaviour to 2 or 3 guys of this clan, with insults from both sides, but i managed and wanted to end those flame wars and start building again a good relationship with VU.
3)- I choose VU because after leaving i thought that it was a bad decision, not because of the respect that you earn with a clan because i don't give a shit about that; but because of that i realized almost everyone here liked me, and wanted to be with me. A lot of people left me good messages on my departure topic and later in-game, which made me feel so loved and think that the decision was wrong.
4)- I got kicked for OSK because i made a "revolution" where i had a fight with the clan leader, separated the clan in two sides (my defenders & leader's side) and in a 5-minutes decision, i got banned from the forum and kicked. (It is explained in detail above).
5)- I believe that not getting the real concept of VU was a big problem but i've got it after re-reading the ethos carefully. Also, i want to be here with my friends and to reach that objective that i wanted to reach when i joined in first instance, but i wasn't commited to. Now i feel i am.
6)- Regarding to loyalty topic, which is behind the loop, i accept and recognize that i was an idiot for not making a deeper review of the clans that i joined before doing so. And i believe that this time, after thinking these days and having a lot of options, i've chosen correctly. If my loyalty is behind doubts; it will be proved with the time. No other way. (That means, deny = reapply in two months). I'll only stick with trying to rejoin VU.
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I'm going to change my vote because I trust you, Trainee. :)
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Trainee.
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I'm going to change my vote because I trust you, Trainee. :)
Trainee.
I can't really believe it. Thank you so much, it's a gold opportunity that you're giving me. Thank you so much, seriously.
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Good luck calhoun
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You are an optimistic person and i think theres alot more for you in this community O0
good luck PAL.
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Good luck brother
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Good luck calhoun
Thank you daniaasaha
You are an optimistic person and i think theres alot more for you in this community O0
good luck PAL.
I don't even deserve a good wish from you after what happened between us in MK forum. It's great that we have somehow overcome our personal problems and are like friends now. Thank you man.
Good luck brother
Gracias papudo sos re picante amigo
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T.
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Trainee.
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A mature player, Good luck
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Trainee.
I can't really believe it. Thank you so much, it's a gold opportunity that you're giving me. Thank you so much, seriously.
Yeah i did, because i understood your problem that time and i didn't understood as well, let's put that in past. let's talk about future right now, you see here's the thing, i am voting but if you leave again, then i will make sure you leave this planet as well. :)
Good luck with others vote, a tough speech is always good. 8) O0
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Trainee.
I can't really believe it. Thank you so much, it's a gold opportunity that you're giving me. Thank you so much, seriously.
Yeah i did, because i understood your problem that time and i didn't understood as well, let's put that in past. let's talk about future right now, you see here's the thing, i am voting but if you leave again, then i will make sure you leave this planet as well. :)
Good luck with others vote, a tough speech is always good. 8) O0
te amooooo :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
A mature player, Good luck
Thank you fi77
Trainee.
Gracias fabuloso
T.
Gracias bonito
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its such a waste to lose a member like u.TRAINEE ;)
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You aren't trustworthy. Fickle, clan-hopper and always ready to jump on the bandwagon. You were causing troubles while you were a VU: talking shit about it, praising WK's misdemeanours because "that's what you relate to the most"... you showed your true self shortly thereafter. I've seen you spouting racist remarks when you thought this shit would not cause anymore troubles. You're a deceit.
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You aren't trustworthy. Fickle, clan-hopper and always ready to jump on the bandwagon. You were causing troubles while you were a VU: talking shit about it, praising WK's misdemeanours because "that's what you relate to the most"... you showed your true self shortly thereafter. I've seen you spouting racist remarks when you thought this shit would not cause anymore troubles. You're a deceit.
Fair enough you've been with me, because actually you've got to say and remark the whole shit that i've done in these months. Not to mention that i've recognized it, i've actually talked about it and i've asked for forgiveness privately to the guys that i've abused right after having done it. Regardless of what i posted in private boards about WKs, i've barely ever teamed with them in game. In fact, you can ask aXXo or Tim when we were playing on EC against them, and you can even ask Brian how "loyal to WK" i am; because in fact i like him, and i consider him as a friend, but that day on EC i teamed against him. Supporting how great WKs teamplay is, how quiet and how smart are the original WK is purely and exclusively my opinion. Not to mention, i wasn't around during 2016-2017 at all, and i gotta say that the usage of hacks from the ON guys is something that i didn't know until Gohan told me. Neither about those kids pictures. I've ever sucked a dick for a position in WKs, nor anyone to defend me in-game.
Regarding to "talking shit about VU" please tell me when i've talked bad about VU. I have had fights with Sk, as well as with Matrix, but i've never as far as i can remember mentioned that VU is a bad clan, or a shit. I've even defended it; i said that leaving it was a bad decision, that my mood swings were on me all the moment, but i haven't spended a single word against VU.
You have also put effort on remarking how bad i am, and how i am an absolutely horrible person, with problems, raging insults but you haven't even mentioned how i've talked with you and tried to change your perspective, and how i've put effort during the Vice War spectating and moderating more than 7 hours, helping the players. Neither how i've been taken as moderator in EA and i'm working to revive this community quite more. That is in fact what VU does as well.
. you showed your true self shortly thereafter.
Why does my worst part have to be my true one? Can't someone have taken a bad decision, raged in game and insulted a player once? Can't somebody have a bad week? Why don't you look as well as in the good things that i've done within this period?
You don't know anything about my true side; neither how i've been helpfully to OSK when i was there, managing all the issues. You believe that i'm here just for gaining respect, yet i've left this clan to join a "lower" one and help it. Nor you do know about how i felt when i abused people in LW and got banned for. I've talked with the members about my racism troubles and i've, as stated above, asked for forgiveness later.
You can also ask Norman how much we have talked during these 4 last weeks, how we have acquianted with each other and how he helps me and how i help him with our problems.
Before applying here i knew that i was going to deal with you as you have said that don't want me in this clan, and that you would do all the possible to maintain me out. I am the only one who wants to have a good relationship with you again and i'm the guy putting effort here, as i have done with other guys as well. Do you think that i have just came here, posted an application, laughed and expected to have positive votes magically? No. I've talked with half of the roster, to be honest. Regardless of how bad our relationship is, as i told you on Discord: my desires are to play among VUs and have a fluent relationship with you again. I can't hate anybody. Probably it's about the time to overcome our problems and regain your trust.
After all it's my fault at all the reason of why you don't trust me. I am, as a matter of fact, the guy that has lost trustability and i understand you completely. I have lost the way in this period and it's up to the time to recover your trust. Thereupon, it's okay if you consider me as a clan hopper or a non-loyal guy. I can say that i was invited by Klaus to NAR, and joined. Lately i felt uncomfortable because i barely ever used to see my mates (i don't like argonath). Later after having joined VU i felt like a ghost here and i had mood swings which bassically made me to be VU one day and the following day wanting to leave. Left it and joined OSK where i wrote more than 3 guides to help the newbies together with me at the lowest rank, got kicked on my butt real hard for speeching a truth against the leader. Mistake by mistake. If i'm a piece of shit as by your opinion, it's okay. But i'm here because i don't consider myself like that anymore, and i know that i've changed considerably and can continue changing here. I want to be here with my friends and i have been thinking since a lot of days about it. It's not a quick decision.
So basically i have recognized all the mistakes mentioned by you here and worked hard to repair them. I believe that i am choosing correctly now by applying for VU. I do not want to become part of the "dark side" of VCMP and i am commited to help this community as much as i can.
After all this i encourage you to have a talk from man to man and clear all the doubts and relationship between us, regardless of your vote which is important for me but the more i want to solve is our problems.
Thanks for giving an opinion towards the application.
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If I write my vcmp journey it will be in 3 paragraphs and you wrote like a whole summary for just a question bro please mercy on ppls like me lazy ass, I can't read this for now .
Well, I don't have a proper reason to vote Positive or Negative, So neutral.
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One of the guys I enjoy reading their applications
Good luck dude
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Supporting how great WKs teamplay is, how quiet and how smart are the original WK is purely and exclusively my opinion.
Though I never referred to teaming with them in game which is irrelevant but you are being supportive of their behaviour and that's what I have a problem with
Not to mention, i wasn't around during 2016-2017 at all
Your forum activity begs to differ with that claim
you haven't even mentioned how i've talked with you and tried to change your perspective. [...] Neither how i've been taken as moderator in EA
As I said the trust is broken, that means I have to take every word for granted. If you knew me enough you would know I do not take in consideration achievements and positions in interpersonal relations, as everyone can form their own opinions; I form my own and this is it.
Can't somebody have a bad week? Why don't you look as well as in the good things that i've done within this period?
I do look at and I value them, but for the other reasons that outweigh them, I'm still not going to vouch for you in here
You believe that i'm here just for gaining respect, yet i've left this clan to join a "lower" one and help it.
Does that not earn you respect?
Nor you do know about how i felt when i abused people in LW and got banned for. I've talked with the members about my racism troubles and i've, as stated above, asked for forgiveness later.
You were actually banned for mute evasion, I remember I had temporarily ignored the first time you evaded by joining with another nick after the mute on your main account, because I wanted to let Sk to deal with your case since he was the one involved at first, but then you started throwing shit at people again so I had to take instant action.
i'm the guy putting effort here, as i have done with other guys as well. Do you think that i have just came here, posted an application, laughed and expected to have positive votes magically? No. I've talked with half of the roster, to be honest.
Yeah I clearly see you put in a lot of effort for your purposes
I can say that i was invited by Klaus to NAR, and joined. Lately i felt uncomfortable because i barely ever used to see my mates (i don't like argonath). Later after having joined VU i felt like a ghost here
Both these two cases of joining and leaving happened in a very short time. We should also mention applying to MK beforehand. VU hasn't changed in a very long time, how exactly will it feel different this time?
Left it and joined OSK where i wrote more than 3 guides to help the newbies together with me at the lowest rank, got kicked on my butt real hard for speeching a truth against the leader. Mistake by mistake.
So I assume you had concrete evidences to back up your talk before leaking the truth about your leader, right?
i know that i've changed considerably and can continue changing here.
Interesting, how long has it been in total, two months?
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Though I never referred to teaming with them in game which is irrelevant but you are being supportive of their behaviour and that's what I have a problem with
-Clearing this out, i'm not supportive of their behaviour but i'll gonna speak a truth here. I have not any trouble with any WK member. I have helped on Hunting's unban in EA because i have talked with him a little and i believe he will not behave like he did anymore. So no, i do not support their bad moves against people in general but i do neither have something against them. In our private boards, i said that i "agreed with almost every thing that they used to say" because Ethan and some other WK guys used to like me, that doesn't help me but after a overall review of the dramas that they occasioned, i can't support such sentence anymore. There are people who are in this clan that had also been directly involved (i wasn't) with WKs but yet they had the chance to be in.
Your forum activity begs to differ with that claim
You just made a review of my posts during such year which were about registering for either Vice War or any other kind of VU event, or a topic related to hardware; topic which used to be interesting to me back to 2016. I didn't check any topic related to WKs drama in this epoch. Checked the forum occassionally and not really involved in VC-MP things.
As I said the trust is broken, that means I have to take every word for granted. If you knew me enough you would know I do not take in consideration achievements and positions in interpersonal relations, as everyone can form their own opinions; I form my own and this is it.
I know and understand that the trust is broken and i also know that the achievements are irrelevant for you when talking about relationship. Yet, i posted that to make you figure out that i'm not just a scumbag and i have some positive things as well. I have also formed my opinion about you in this short period that we have met. Regardless of what your opinion will be, i will respect it so it's okay. No problem.
I do look at and I value them, but for the other reasons that outweigh them, I'm still not going to vouch for you in here
You didn't seem to look at them in your first post. I know that you're not going to vouch for me here and i knew beforehand that your vote would be negative. It's understandable; as far as i have seen your personality you're not the kind of guy which forgive everyone and you've also a special lookout and important one, what i admire, in people's loyalty and how much trustable a guy can be. I also figure out that i've been acting like a dick the days after leaving VU and i'm sorry for this. No other way i can express it more than with words.
Does that not earn you respect?
Please understand that i do not care about getting respected for wearing a simple tag or any kind of thing. I can figure out easily that VU is a better clan at every aspect than OSK. It is more organized and with just joining a server if you have the VU tag you will be loved. I do not seem to be finding a reason of why joining OSK would be more respectful than being in VU. Rather than being in a respected clan i'd be with my family, and that's what i see in VU now; a family. You have also mentioned that i wanted to be in the EAD League & Vice-War just because of the respect that i earn being staff of. Which is quite wrong, while i am "proud" in some ways of such achievements i am always willing to help (not yet in EAD League, really i haven't found myself as useful yet) but i've made a lot of sentences' translation to spanish in Vice War, and as i said i was in the event moderating it for almost 7 hours.
You were actually banned for mute evasion, I remember I had temporarily ignored the first time you evaded by joining with another nick after the mute on your main account, because I wanted to let Sk to deal with your case since he was the one involved at first, but then you started throwing shit at people again so I had to take instant action.
Yes. I abused a guy of this clan, then i got muted by you. Made an appeal which wasn't forwarded at first instance. The next day there was a guy which i killed, and started to insult me and instead of ignoring, i did wrong and evaded the mute. I agree that i did bad with this. And i understand that you had to ban me there - i've always suffered my punishments and you know it very well. Everyone does.
Both these two cases of joining and leaving happened in a very short time. We should also mention applying to MK beforehand. VU hasn't changed in a very long time, how exactly will it feel different this time?
While i believe that you will think that these are just lonely words and don't work for anything; i'll reply this question sincerely.
I was always a MK fanatic and i sticked with trying to join them for more than 5 years. I didn't apply in any other clan in such period. Some of my applications:
https://mk.vc-mp.net/forum/denied-applications/my-application-biozcalhoun-2327/
https://mk.vc-mp.net/forum/denied-applications/my-application-carterr7-2001/
https://mk.vc-mp.net/forum/denied-applications/my-application-carterr7/
Whereas you can figure that i wanted to join them desesperately, i loved their group but yet there were members who treated me as the worst possible way, insulted me and told me to fuck off. What would you do in such situation? Sticking with trying to join them? I would have done it, yeah, i tried to talk with those guys who didn't like me and there was no reply from them. My tries were in vain in such clan and later VU guys appeared (including you, who i met and liked at first instance) but yet i didn't consider myself ready to be VU; so i was going to join other clan to grow up a little (matter that was told to Fercho privately) and Klaus, a respected guy and who i appreciate, appeared there in Argonath the first time that i tried it and he suddenly invited me. I thought it was the chance to get a decent clan and grow up in.
Later as you know i didn't play Argonath again and i used to talk them by Discord barely ever. I asked you, personally, for an advice and told me what to do:
You told me that it would be better leaving the clan quickly instead of waiting a lot of time, because they would be even more dissapointed of me. So i followed your advice and okay, did it.
And in the end i felt umcomfortable when i was here and certainly it is not VU what has changed. I misunderstood the real meaning of VU as i said, and asked Ferrari32 for an advice. He gave me a lot to think about, and i finally decided that trying to re join here is the best option. I wrote this some replies before:
And the last question. I think i misunderstood or didn't get the concept of what VU is at all. Ferrari32 helped me to discover this issue, and after this time i think i've finally got it. Also, i can say that i wasn't committed at anything the last time, i was just a guy giving votes on the applications and wearing the trainee tag. I lacked of enthusiasm, determination and ambition. This time i believe i can do better my role here, and i can aspire for having the feel that i didn't have on my past join and i'm focused on doing my best if i get this new opportunity. I wanna be part of the great history of VC:MP and VU and help this community to survive as much as i can. Another thing that i can't skip is the fact of one of my personality's characteristics: desires of leadership role. While myself and Cutton have found such characteristic on me, and probably that's what i meant with: "feeling like a ghost", because i didn't have such an important role in VU and yes i had it on OSK (as stated above for example, i was taken as the EAD League's OSK team leader) i still want to join you guys. I believe that even if my role in VU isn't trascendental during the first steps, and even reaching VU Full Membership it will not be, this is a family, we all are one and i want to be here with my friends
So I assume you had concrete evidences to back up your talk before leaking the truth about your leader, right?
I didn't accuse him directly. I just said that i believed that he was using aimlock, it was a guess actually; which was supported by an honorary member of the clan as well. I didn't say that he was using concrete aimlock and that i was 100% sure. I was going to search for evidence. That's all what i said.
Interesting, how long has it been in total, two months?
Got banned from the most important server of the whole VCMP in half 2013. Started to appeal for a unban in December 2013. Always been in silence, not breaking a single rule in any server from March, 2014 to May, 2018. (Although i had inactive periods). Stopped to do retarded and childish acts in 2014.
My change hasn't been a thing from "two months" or a quick one. It took years of learning how to behave. Yes, i have probably lost the way these months but for some reason i was accepted in first instance here; because i was ready for the trainee position in the lookout of the majority of the members, i am still a good guy but that commited mistakes within the past month. There is a guy who has been warned by Siezer in VU for his constant abusements to other players and even to me. He said for example that i was a fucking retarded for leaving VU to go to OSK and abused my country; do you think that it's a good behaviour? No, but he is not a bad guy. Not for any reason he is here.
What i am wanting to say is that i'm not perfect and nobody is, but i'm getting back to that old Lit.Killah and throwing away my agressive behaviour and i consider myself enough ready to be here. VU could help me a lot regarding my rage issues and other problems.
At the end, i'd like to say that i will respect your decision, whatever it is. :)
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hi bro did you take a shower before applying here? good luck :thumbsup:
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I like this guy already, he's just 16 and writes too much.
If he gets in, i'm asking him to write my English assignments.
I'm releasing the tension in air by these above arguments.
He's just 16 and teens at that age makes mistake, we can take example of most of players around who joined clans and now are one of veterans of vc-mp.
Good luck dude :)
Try teaming up with me in LW next you see me.
: )
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I like this guy already, he's just 16 and writes too much.
If he gets in, i'm asking him to write my English assignments.
I'm releasing the tension in air by these above arguments.
He's just 16 and teens at that age makes mistake, we can take example of most of players around who joined clans and now are one of veterans of vc-mp.
Good luck dude :)
Try teaming up with me in LW next you see me.
: )
Regardless of how convoluted and extense may my replies be, it would not mean anything if it hasn't coherence itself. However, thank you for your compliment; and yeah we will team in LW anytime ;)
hi bro did you take a shower before applying here? good luck :thumbsup:
Took one before applying and will take another when it's handled. Ty pal :-*
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No, you should start controling your cockiness.
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No, you should start controling your cockiness.
Thanks for giving your opinion. I will try to follow your advice. :thumbsup:
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No, you should start controling your cockiness.
People can change!
good luck.
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Good luck
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No, until you come up clean.
Wow ... something happened while i was away? mmm ...
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No, you should start controling your cockiness.
People can change!
good luck.
Guess he became gandhi now eh ?
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Sorry but my vote is NO, agree with Shawn there. He is cocky and his temper is so what uncontrollable and I think he is 90%, fake person. I don't care if anyone disagrees.
http://littlewhiteys.com/index.php/topic,31769.msg294798.html
I can post the abusive logs if anyone want me to.
No, you should start controling your cockiness.
People can change!
good luck.
Guess he became gandhi now eh ?
Gandhi who?
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Sorry but my vote is NO, agree with Shawn there. He is cocky and his temper is so what uncontrollable and I think he is 90%, fake person. I don't care if anyone disagrees.
http://littlewhiteys.com/index.php/topic,31769.msg294798.html
I can post the abusive logs if anyone want me to.
I think you're right. My temper sometimes is uncontrollable but i am not a fake person, whether you think that or not, i can assure that i am not. I am in a complicated paradox, where i try to find my real personality and looking for the place where i engage the most. In the past month, sometimes i felt just lost and did not think carefully (it's not a justification, if i did something wrong = face the consequences). However just recognizing my errors won't help and it isn't worth if i don't show changes. Anyway, do not have any doubt that if something needs to be proved, like my loyalty, how much this community is important for me or my real way of behaviour, i will do it, doesn't matter how much time it takes.
Thanks for your opinion which will help me to change looking for the future.
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Good luck man
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Voting trainee. Biocalzone (https://images-gmi-pmc.edge-generalmills.com/6b36a62f-3083-499d-9165-f7219c086206.jpg) may have made a lot of mistakes, but he seems capable of owning up to them and accepting consequences.
The situation with OSK seems reasonable to me - almost everyone is nostalgic about the first gang they joined in VC:MP, and would like to recreate its atmosphere. When he tried, it turned out that it was impossible, but if he had never tried, he would never have known.
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Good luck man
Thank you lorenzo; will see you in EA some of these days ;)
Voting trainee. Biocalzone (https://images-gmi-pmc.edge-generalmills.com/6b36a62f-3083-499d-9165-f7219c086206.jpg) may have made a lot of mistakes, but he seems capable of owning up to them and accepting consequences.
The situation with OSK seems reasonable to me - almost everyone is nostalgic about the first gang they joined in VC:MP, and would like to recreate its atmosphere. When he tried, it turned out that it was impossible, but if he had never tried, he would never have known.
Ah man it's good to have your vote. I can assure that i will do my best and will become a better guy, in case of joining i'll help VU and represent it good as much as possible; and you will never regret of giving me a positive vote. I just need this opportunity. Once again, thank you a lot man. In these couple of months that i've met you, i figured out that you're a guy always disposed to help the people, and that's the kind of person that i wanna become in.
And about my nickname, i'll change it asap. LOL.
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Hello! 8)
I dropped something.
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Hello again,
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His application was going good :facepalm: :(
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Well. I thought ULK as option because mainly of Brian. But i didnt apply for the reasons that i told karan later. If my loyalty to VU needs to be proved, it will be done with the time. No other way.
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Well. I thought ULK as option because mainly of Brian. But i didnt apply for the reasons that i told karan later. If my loyalty to VU needs to be proved, it will be done with the time. No other way.
It's not about ULK or Brian here, you're confused yourself, there's no point of destroying anyone's app, I failed to destroy someone's app this past week tho, he's now VU trainee xD, you can't decide where you wanna land, this is certainly hopping, don't be like this bro, you're better than this :)
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Well. I thought ULK as option because mainly of Brian. But i didnt apply for the reasons that i told karan later. If my loyalty to VU needs to be proved, it will be done with the time. No other way.
It's not about ULK or Brian here, you're confused yourself, there's no point of destroying anyone's app, I failed to destroy someone's app this past week tho, he's now VU trainee xD, you can't decide where you wanna land, this is certainly hopping, don't be like this bro, you're better than this :)
I know that i have been confused about and didn't certainly know where to go but i have been thinking for around 15 days after being kicked from OSK and i believe that VU is the family that i want to be part of.
As i said, getting denied here now won't chance anything because i will keep trying, putting effort to join here and i will only stick with VU. No other clan.
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I'll go ahead and self deny my application.
Regardless of the votes, which as far as i know are on my favour, there is a big lack of trust made by entirely my fault, and i would not feel comfortable joining until my loyalty to VU is proved. I will apply again after some months.
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I'll mark this application as "closed", there's been some sort of screwup in your application due to which you've decided to self deny. I'll suggest you not to make any fault in the coming times and prove your loyalty towards VU. Good luck!