Vice Underdogs
Vice Underdogs Recruitment => Denied Applications => Topic started by: Gohan on April 07, 2016, 07:02:18 pm
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Nick: Gohan
Timezone/Country: -3 GMT Argentina
Age: 17
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Questions:
1) What has changed?
2) Why should we trust you?
3) Why do you really want to be here?
4) How do Bart's actions influence yours? How might they influence them in the future?
5) What kind of ethos do you think VU stands for?
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When you left, Bart called you a bitch and said "you already know what I think of you." A week and a half later, he quit and you ended up forming a clan with him. What's the deal with that?
For reference:
http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=6488.msg72393#msg72393
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Okay so to summarize.
You left us without a valid reason, at a time when you were needed, shortly after attaining full member rank.
You made your own clan and dragged off Bart with you.
You failed and then decided to join that poor excuse of a fighting team called ON.
And now you're here again. Sure, you could get a chance. If you'd start from trainee again, and wouldn't expect to be promoted for a solid amount of time.
Not to mention this https://trc.vicelegends.com/index.php?topic=201.0
http://ss-clan.nicoarin.com/index.php?topic=423.0
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Nop.
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I would've been inclined to vouch for a second chance. But you really screwed the pooch when you intentionally forget VU as one of your past clans.
IMO, no part of someones past should be left out, regardless of how embarrassing or shameful or hate-filled it is, it still brought them to where they are right then.
While from our time in A/D, you appear to me to be a good person. However, these actions cannot be forgotten. They can be forgiven in time, but not forgotten. And the fact of leaving with little or no reason to gives me the impression that you're just a clan-hopper. So based on the actions of those applications to SS and TRC as well as my gut...I'm afraid I'll have to say no as well.
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While we wait for some answers, I'm just going to make it unequivocally clear that if you're going to rejoin the clan, I personally would not consider you for a rank higher than trainee. Though you've proven yourself to be an asset and a good teammate in the past, I feel your actions have destroyed a significant amount of trust in you and your motives. At best, I feel you'd have to prove yourself by working your way up the ladder again.
This is assuming that we decide to accept you with this app, but in your other clan apps you said you left VU because it wasn't the clan you envisioned it to be. If we accept you, you would have to pitch in, raise your concerns and make an actual effort to improve what you perceive to be issues, rather than dropping out when things go poorly once.
For now I have no vote.
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Nop.
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If you agree to do what Stormeus said, then i'll vote for sure.
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as we know you like clanhopper etc,i'm going turn down your application quickly.
you have no interest to this clan
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Denied
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Unlocked.
Gohan's explanation is available now. Since he was impersonated before in his first app, this could happened again. If anyone disagrees with this decision, he is free to post reasons for which Gohan doesn't deserve to explain his own story.
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Questions:
1) What has changed?
2) Why should we trust you?
3) Why do you really want to be here?
4) How do Bart's actions influence yours? How might they influence them in the future?
5) What kind of ethos do you think VU stands for?
1) I already talked with you, and some other members from vu, I decided to apply again a show what can I offer for the clan. About my "loyalty" I don't know the point of view of the vu members about me, I'm sure I'll be loyal in this case.
2) Well, as I said, I was in VU and I know how is it, how it works. About "why should we trust you?", you decide if you want to trust in me or not. I can offer the same things as some months ago and much more for VU.
3) I want to be with my team mates again, VU it's a clan with a friendly players, skilled players, it's one of the most respectful clans in the comunity of VC:MP, to have fun with them and give my best.
4) Well, as you know, Bart it's my neighbor, His actions don't have any influence with me, if we do the same it's because we have the same thought about something, in the most of the cases we got the same point of view, but my decision doesn't have influence over his decisions.
5) As I said, I was in VU, I know how it works and how is it, VU has improved a lot since i left. Have a great members and maybe the 100% of them are my friends, so I want to get back to VU.
If you got another question or If didn't replied one of this things, explain me and I will do it.
Okay so to summarize.
You left us without a valid reason, at a time when you were needed, shortly after attaining full member rank.
You made your own clan and dragged off Bart with you.
You failed and then decided to join that poor excuse of a fighting team called ON.
And now you're here again. Sure, you could get a chance. If you'd start from trainee again, and wouldn't expect to be promoted for a solid amount of time.
Not to mention this https://trc.vicelegends.com/index.php?topic=201.0
http://ss-clan.nicoarin.com/index.php?topic=423.0
I leave with my reasons, and that's a valid reason for me, apart of me, Bart did the same, Servin did the same, and mdz did the same in the same week, something happened to get 4 leaves in just one week.
RB was something like a team not like a clan but yes, is the same.
About ON, you can ask to your team mates, Charley, Stormeus, Freak, Fercho, Angela about me in ON, Why I joined inthere and why i leave it.
If you want to know more about it, I can explain, just tell me.
About this application, man, I really want to get back to VU.
I would've been inclined to vouch for a second chance. But you really screwed the pooch when you intentionally forget VU as one of your past clans.
IMO, no part of someones past should be left out, regardless of how embarrassing or shameful or hate-filled it is, it still brought them to where they are right then.
While from our time in A/D, you appear to me to be a good person. However, these actions cannot be forgotten. They can be forgiven in time, but not forgotten. And the fact of leaving with little or no reason to gives me the impression that you're just a clan-hopper. So based on the actions of those applications to SS and TRC as well as my gut...I'm afraid I'll have to say no as well.
Thanks for your vote, I seen you when I was in VU only 3 times and I never do contact with you, I don't know much about you but anyways, thanks.
When you left, Bart called you a bitch and said "you already know what I think of you." A week and a half later, he quit and you ended up forming a clan with him. What's the deal with that?
For reference:
http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=6488.msg72393#msg72393
Same Answer: 4) Well, as you know, Bart it's my neighbor, His actions don't any influence with me, if we do the same it's because we have the same thought about something, in the most of the cases we got the same point of view, but my decision doesn't have influence over his decisions.
He know everything about me and how I think.
While we wait for some answers, I'm just going to make it unequivocally clear that if you're going to rejoin the clan, I personally would not consider you for a rank higher than trainee. Though you've proven yourself to be an asset and a good teammate in the past, I feel your actions have destroyed a significant amount of trust in you and your motives. At best, I feel you'd have to prove yourself by working your way up the ladder again.
This is assuming that we decide to accept you with this app, but in your other clan apps you said you left VU because it wasn't the clan you envisioned it to be. If we accept you, you would have to pitch in, raise your concerns and make an actual effort to improve what you perceive to be issues, rather than dropping out when things go poorly once.
For now I have no vote.
Of course dude, I can offer my best to VU again. Is not a problem for me, I'll be proud to show you what can I do for VU.
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5) What kind of ethos do you think VU stands for?
5) As I said, I was in VU, I know how it works and how is it, VU has improved a lot since i left. Have a great members and maybe the 100% of them are my friends, so I want to get back to VU.
I don't think this answers the question. What values do you think VU stands for specifically?
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5) What kind of ethos do you think VU stands for?
5) As I said, I was in VU, I know how it works and how is it, VU has improved a lot since i left. Have a great members and maybe the 100% of them are my friends, so I want to get back to VU.
I don't think this answers the question. What values do you think VU stands for specifically?
Loyalty, Team work, maturity, co-operativity and friendly for sure.
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Trainee.
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T.
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Thanks, I appreciate it :laugh:
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Since you are well acquainted with a lot of clans by now, what is your vision of a "perfect" clan? What all qualities do you expect a clan to have?
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Since you are well acquainted with a lot of clans by now, what is your vision of a "perfect" clan? What all qualities do you expect a clan to have?
I don't have a vision of a "perfect" clan. VU have great qualities, today VU has improved in TeamWork and that's a great advance, one of the most important qualities in a clan, respect of everyone, and maturity. That's what I'm searching, that's why I'm here again.
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Buena suerte cabello, no la cagues ^-^
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Everyone deserve a chance, everyone make mistakes, good luck Gohan, but last time I played with you was with your [VU] tag, don't know where have you been. :)
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Buena suerte cabello, no la cagues ^-^
Gracias mono :)Everyone deserve a chance, everyone make mistakes, good luck Gohan, but last time I played with you was with your [VU] tag, don't know where have you been. :)
Thanks K.
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Good Luck :police:
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5) What kind of ethos do you think VU stands for?
5) As I said, I was in VU, I know how it works and how is it, VU has improved a lot since i left. Have a great members and maybe the 100% of them are my friends, so I want to get back to VU.
YOU talking about me
IKR
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Trainee.
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not sure if it's any of my business but might as well chip in my two cents while I'm here.
as far as I'm aware, there are two different players by the name of Gohan that lurk around VC:MP these days. one of them is the guy that posted this application, and one of them is a regular on the VK server who I came across while playing on that server under a fake nick.
hope this clears it up a bit.
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5) What kind of ethos do you think VU stands for?
5) As I said, I was in VU, I know how it works and how is it, VU has improved a lot since i left. Have a great members and maybe the 100% of them are my friends, so I want to get back to VU.
YOU talking about me
IKR
Of course ::)
Trainee.
Thank you!
not sure if it's any of my business but might as well chip in my two cents while I'm here.
as far as I'm aware, there are two different players by the name of Gohan that lurk around VC:MP these days. one of them is the guy that posted this application, and one of them is a regular on the VK server who I came across while playing on that server under a fake nick.
hope this clears it up a bit.
I'm using the name "Gohan" since I started playing this game and nobody was using it. After a year of it, this guy appeared in AsS with my nickname.
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Good luck.
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Good Luck!
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Good Luck mate! 8)
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5) What kind of ethos do you think VU stands for?
5) As I said, I was in VU, I know how it works and how is it, VU has improved a lot since i left. Have a great members and maybe the 100% of them are my friends, so I want to get back to VU.
YOU talking about me
IKR
Of course ::)
Trainee.
Thank you!
not sure if it's any of my business but might as well chip in my two cents while I'm here.
as far as I'm aware, there are two different players by the name of Gohan that lurk around VC:MP these days. one of them is the guy that posted this application, and one of them is a regular on the VK server who I came across while playing on that server under a fake nick.
hope this clears it up a bit.
I'm using the name "Gohan" since I started playing this game and nobody was using it. After a year of it, this guy appeared in AsS with my nickname.
the 'my nickname' part is not entirely true, because from a legal perspective, the nickname is nowhere close to yours, unless you were born with it of course, or have any sort of rights to the nickname (which I doubt, because you're most probably not from the Dragon Ball Z team either). my deepest condolences if otherwise..
in other words - none of you stole the nickname from one another.
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Since you are well acquainted with a lot of clans by now, what is your vision of a "perfect" clan? What all qualities do you expect a clan to have?
I don't have a vision of a "perfect" clan. VU have great qualities, today VU has improved in TeamWork and that's a great advance, one of the most important qualities in a clan, respect of everyone, and maturity. That's what I'm searching, that's why I'm here again.
So what if in future our teamwork goes worse again? and what if we lose next vicewar again? are you gonna leave again?
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Good Luck Mate ;)
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Since you are well acquainted with a lot of clans by now, what is your vision of a "perfect" clan? What all qualities do you expect a clan to have?
I don't have a vision of a "perfect" clan. VU have great qualities, today VU has improved in TeamWork and that's a great advance, one of the most important qualities in a clan, respect of everyone, and maturity. That's what I'm searching, that's why I'm here again.
So what if in future our teamwork goes worse again? and what if we lose next vicewar again? are you gonna leave again?
Of course no dude, if I get accepted and if we lose again we can keep working on it, and maybe try the next time.
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T.
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Trainee
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viva cuban + umberto robina good luck gohana >:D O0 :thumbsup:
trainee
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Since you are well acquainted with a lot of clans by now, what is your vision of a "perfect" clan? What all qualities do you expect a clan to have?
I don't have a vision of a "perfect" clan. VU have great qualities, today VU has improved in TeamWork and that's a great advance, one of the most important qualities in a clan, respect of everyone, and maturity. That's what I'm searching, that's why I'm here again.
So what if in future our teamwork goes worse again? and what if we lose next vicewar again? are you gonna leave again?
Exactly what I was about to ask. You see your clan doing badly and you decide to abandon ship. You see it growing and you decide to reapply. Not buying your shit here, not at all. Going with no.
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Since you are well acquainted with a lot of clans by now, what is your vision of a "perfect" clan? What all qualities do you expect a clan to have?
I don't have a vision of a "perfect" clan. VU have great qualities, today VU has improved in TeamWork and that's a great advance, one of the most important qualities in a clan, respect of everyone, and maturity. That's what I'm searching, that's why I'm here again.
So what if in future our teamwork goes worse again? and what if we lose next vicewar again? are you gonna leave again?
Exactly what I was about to ask. You see your clan doing badly and you decide to abandon ship. You see it growing and you decide to reapply. Not buying your shit here, not at all. Going with no.
Anyways, thanks. I'll try to give my best for you and the anothers who said no in this app to get positive view of me.
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If I vote yes, it would be an encouragement for all hoppers.
Maybe wait some more time and apply later.
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If I vote yes, it would be an encouragement for all hoppers.
Maybe wait some more time and apply later.
In this application, in my app, are you giving a vote for me? Or for the rest of the players who want to join in vu?
Because if you want to talk or give a vote for me, do it for me, not a general vote for the "hoppers", maybe you got a view of me like a hopper but I'm not considered into that "group", so please abstain to do that next time, if your vote is yes for me and for you if I am a clan hopper, why it will be an encouragement for all of the rest? Nobody got the same style or the same skills or the same point of view about the clans, so please, if you want to give a vote, be clear and do it for me, not for the "group" of "hoppers".
I don't understand your vote, it's yes but at the same time it's no because it would be an encouragement for all of the "hoppers"? Can you explain?
Anyways, I appreciate your view. Thanks :)
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Going with Trainee.
Thanks friend :D
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I've some questions for you.
For which reason you applied to: TRC,SS?
Why we should trust you?
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I've some questions for you.
For which reason you applied to: TRC,SS?
Why we should trust you?
This.
Elaborate it with a lot details and tell us what you can do to regain our confidence.
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I've some questions for you, for which reason you applied to: TRC,SS and ON?
Why we would trust you?
Well, about TRC:
I tried to join here because, on my view, in this case, TRC it's one of the pilars of VC:MP as I said in that application, same like DnA, MK, and of course, VU.
These clan I mentioned are different and I was trying to get another perspective of the game, his members, not all of them are constantly in contact with me, they are good people, but anyways, I get denied and nothing happened.
About SS:
As you know, the 97% of the members of SS are players from America, they speak the same language than me, so it would be easy for the comunication with me. The 80% of the members are my "friends". They said "My members not trust 100% on you". The word "clan hopper" appears, that's not a problem for me. I know about it, and maybe the "comunity" are right in some things, but not all of them.
Why we would trust you?
About me, I did stupid things like leave the clan in 28 December, I didn't tried to talk about the situation, and I left it without talking much about it. I can do my best to get again your confidence about me, like the first time in February of 2015.
You can see in my answers over your questions, I'm trying to reply with all of the possible sincerely about your questions.
As I said, I can do the best, again, to get back to my position in the clan.
If you give me the opportunity to represent the clan, I'll do without thinking
Pd: I improved my english, I guess.
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Todos cometemos errores y de igual manera podemos repararlos, mereces una oportunidad. Buena suerte Gohan. :thumbsup:
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Todos cometemos errores y de igual manera podemos repararlos, mereces una oportunidad. Buena suerte Gohan. :thumbsup:
Gracias amigo :)
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I've some questions for you, for which reason you applied to: TRC,SS and ON?
Why we would trust you?
Well, about TRC:
I tried to join here because, on my view, in this case, TRC it's one of the pilars of VC:MP as I said in that application, same like DnA, MK, and of course, VU.
These clan I mentioned are different and I was trying to get another perspective of the game, his members, not all of them are constantly in contact with me, they are good people, but anyways, I get denied and nothing happened.
About SS:
As you know, the 97% of the members of SS are players from America, they speak the same language than me, so it would be easy for the comunication with me. The 80% of the members are my "friends". They said "My members not trust 100% on you". The word "clan hopper" appears, that's not a problem for me. I know about it, and maybe the "comunity" are right in some things, but not all of them.
Why we would trust you?
About me, I did stupid things like leave the clan in 28 December, I didn't tried to talk about the situation, and I left it without talking much about it. I can do my best to get again your confidence about me, like the first time in February of 2015.
You can see in my answers over your questions, I'm trying to reply with all of the possible sincerely about your questions.
As I said, I can do the best, again, to get back to my position in the clan.
I was not here whenever all of this happened but I informed myself before trying to write nonsense. The reason you left the clan and what your explanation of why was total disloyal to people that give you more than trust. Personally, I would be hella suspicious if you came back; but then again I don't know you. What I made bold and underlined from your quote. What if this time you don't make ur way up to quick(if ur accepted)? what if it takes more than a year to even get up to rookie? Trust is a VERY valuable thing here in VU i'm sure theres a way you'll learn that. Will you abandon your second and final chance even then? This is all if you do get it.
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Estas re loquito vo' suerte baro
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I've some questions for you, for which reason you applied to: TRC,SS and ON?
Why we would trust you?
Well, about TRC:
I tried to join here because, on my view, in this case, TRC it's one of the pilars of VC:MP as I said in that application, same like DnA, MK, and of course, VU.
These clan I mentioned are different and I was trying to get another perspective of the game, his members, not all of them are constantly in contact with me, they are good people, but anyways, I get denied and nothing happened.
About SS:
As you know, the 97% of the members of SS are players from America, they speak the same language than me, so it would be easy for the comunication with me. The 80% of the members are my "friends". They said "My members not trust 100% on you". The word "clan hopper" appears, that's not a problem for me. I know about it, and maybe the "comunity" are right in some things, but not all of them.
Why we would trust you?
About me, I did stupid things like leave the clan in 28 December, I didn't tried to talk about the situation, and I left it without talking much about it. I can do my best to get again your confidence about me, like the first time in February of 2015.
You can see in my answers over your questions, I'm trying to reply with all of the possible sincerely about your questions.
As I said, I can do the best, again, to get back to my position in the clan.
I was not here whenever all of this happened but I informed myself before trying to write nonsense. The reason you left the clan and what your explanation of why was total disloyal to people that give you more than trust. Personally, I would be hella suspicious if you came back; but then again I don't know you. What I made bold and underlined from your quote. What if this time you don't make ur way up to quick(if ur accepted)? what if it takes more than a year to even get up to rookie? Trust is a VERY valuable thing here in VU i'm sure theres a way you'll learn that. Will you abandon your second and final chance even then? This is all if you do get it.
I'll reply the same sentence you mentioned up, I can do my best to get back to my position, I can wait the necessary time and if I deserve, to get a promotion, you can trust in me. Thanks for your comment :)
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Useless and senseless replies removed, next time anyone going to post i can bet my ass you are going to get forum ban for a year.
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I'm willing to accept that people make mistakes, and they make rash decisions, and that they can learn from that.
However, there's one thing that I want to clear up before I give my vote. You said you left VU because it had 'changed', and now you're saying it's 'changed' again. In what ways do you think VU has changed since you left?
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I'm willing to accept that people make mistakes, and they make rash decisions, and that they can learn from that.
However, there's one thing that I want to clear up before I give my vote. You said you left VU because it had 'changed', and now you're saying it's 'changed' again. In what ways do you think VU has changed since you left?
Well, when I was in there, it not changed too much but I was changing about vu, the members told me when I was in there, "don't take the game seriously, it's just for fun" and yes, they were right. That's about the past. Today VU has improved in some things like, the teamwork it's much better than the past, I really want to represent the clan like you are doing in events and other things. I'll be grateful to get back and do everything to get accepted and keep working on myself.
Pd: I'm not at my home, I replied with my phone, if you found an error tell me.
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good luck Bro
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giving you a chance and hence I will change my vote.
If you screw this up, then good luck for ON again.
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9 vs 9
LET THE WAR BEGIN ONCE AGAIN!
:'(
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Estas re loquito vo' suerte baro
Gracias :)
giving you a chance and hence I will change my vote.
If you screw this up, then good luck for ON again.
Thank you Doc, I'll don't disappoint you :D
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I'm willing to accept that people make mistakes, and they make rash decisions, and that they can learn from that.
However, there's one thing that I want to clear up before I give my vote. You said you left VU because it had 'changed', and now you're saying it's 'changed' again. In what ways do you think VU has changed since you left?
Well, when I was in there, it not changed too much but I was changing about vu, the members told me when I was in there, "don't take the game seriously, it's just for fun" and yes, they were right. That's about the past. Today VU has improved in some things like, the teamwork it's much better than the past, I really want to represent the clan like you are doing in events and other things. I'll be grateful to get back and do everything to get accepted and keep working on myself.
Pd: I'm not at my home, I replied with my phone, if you found an error tell me.
So you left because you couldn't take the game not seriously, and now you're back because we've improved in teamwork. I might misinterpret your post, but it makes zero sense.
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I'm willing to accept that people make mistakes, and they make rash decisions, and that they can learn from that.
However, there's one thing that I want to clear up before I give my vote. You said you left VU because it had 'changed', and now you're saying it's 'changed' again. In what ways do you think VU has changed since you left?
Well, when I was in there, it not changed too much but I was changing about vu, the members told me when I was in there, "don't take the game seriously, it's just for fun" and yes, they were right. That's about the past. Today VU has improved in some things like, the teamwork it's much better than the past, I really want to represent the clan like you are doing in events and other things. I'll be grateful to get back and do everything to get accepted and keep working on myself.
Pd: I'm not at my home, I replied with my phone, if you found an error tell me.
So you left because you couldn't take the game not seriously, and now you're back because we've improved in teamwork. I might misinterpret your post, but it makes zero sense.
Sorry, my mistake, I deleted a part of the message, I was on my phone.
Of course no, when I left I said, "I felt unconfortable", and I tried to get another routes/points of view about VC:MP but I doesn't found it. Mmmh how can I explain it...?
For example: I thought VU were a motive of joke for the others (another clans and clanless players), after I left it some players told me: "you were right to leave vu".
But I didn't understood why. I decided to left because "I not want to be a part of the joke" but I did wrong, If I want to be in a clan, like VU (one of the best today), I don't have to pay attention to the opinion of the others, I did wrong to leave it without "valid reasons" for you, maybe you don't understand my point, but anyways I can't explain it.
About the another question:
One of the things VU has changed it's the team work, but I don't want to get back only for the "team work", VU has changed in some things, about the members, from my view, it's trying to get respected players, and it's a great thing for the clanless players who want to join in VU, look for a respected team mates. About the training sessions, that's really great, when I was in, we tried to do something like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X071mOVfUxs) but it never happened, it's a great experience, for the trainee and rookie members to fight 1vs1 with the another members, to get an opportunity to show their skills or get an experience or an idea about VCDC, for example.
I really want to get back to VU, to offer my best in represent the clan, with a tag everywhere I go.
My mistake if you don't understood my point.
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I'm going to play devil's advocate one last time here:
VU has changed in some things, about the members, from my view, it's trying to get respected players, and it's a great thing for the clanless players who want to join in VU, look for a respected team mates.
It's exactly this point that puts us in a tough spot considering your application: you're not nearly as respected as you were at the time you left. Neither SS nor TRC would accept you considering the spectacular fashion in which you left. If we were looking for respectable members, why would we accept you?
The question's purely rhetorical, I'm not really looking for an answer to it. It's just a point to consider. I would expect you to say that you would just stick with us and hope to prove that you're trustworthy again. That's paradoxical though, because we would have to trust you to stick with us again to accept you.
Personally, I'm not going to ask you to grovel and beg for your position back; I just voted trainee to give you this one shot again. Hopefully that explains where some of the other members are coming from, though.
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I'm going to play devil's advocate one last time here:
VU has changed in some things, about the members, from my view, it's trying to get respected players, and it's a great thing for the clanless players who want to join in VU, look for a respected team mates.
It's exactly this point that puts us in a tough spot considering your application: you're not nearly as respected as you were at the time you left. Neither SS nor TRC would accept you considering the spectacular fashion in which you left. If we were looking for respectable members, why would we accept you?
The question's purely rhetorical, I'm not really looking for an answer to it. It's just a point to consider. I would expect you to say that you would just stick with us and hope to prove that you're trustworthy again. That's paradoxical though, because we would have to trust you to stick with us again to accept you.
Personally, I'm not going to ask you to grovel and beg for your position back; I just voted trainee to give you this one shot again. Hopefully that explains where some of the other members are coming from, though.
Thanks for giving me your opinion about it, I appreciate it :)
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A problem with you is that you never admit your personal mistakes or failure. You blame the situation and everyone around you to escape from the problem rather than trying to fix it. I'll elaborate:
In all your applications so far, you blamed Omaretot as the reason for leaving LK. Maybe, it was your own failure to get along with people.
When you left VU, you mentioned that the clan is not as good as before and it lacks team-work. There was an incident (http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=6432.msg71772#msg71772) when you did not assist Veteran as a team-mate when he desperately needed one, so your own efforts to improve the clan's team-work were minimal.
When you closed RB, you blamed the whole structure of clans in VCMP for RB's fate. You never acknowledged your own shortcomings as a clan leader.
Why do you think you got denied from SS and TRC? It was your own reputation and inability to express your reasons of switching clans.
Now you claim that VU has changed again and our teamwork is much better. I won't shout that from top of a rooftop unless we win a Vicewar :-*. The only thing that has changed is your own thinking about VU.
I'll vote no for now. Hopefully you would take some time for the self-introspection and apply again in future.
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A problem with you is that you never admit your personal mistakes or failure. You blame the situation and everyone around you to escape from the problem rather than trying to fix it. I'll elaborate:
In all your applications so far, you blamed Omaretot as the reason for leaving LK. Maybe, it was your own failure to get along with people.
When you left VU, you mentioned that the clan is not as good as before and it lacks team-work. There was an incident (http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=6432.msg71772#msg71772) when you did not assist Veteran as a team-mate when he desperately needed one, so your own efforts to improve the clan's team-work were minimal.
When you closed RB, you blamed the whole structure of clans in VCMP for RB's fate. You never acknowledged your own shortcomings as a clan leader.
Why do you think you got denied from SS and TRC? It was your own reputation and inability to express your reasons of switching clans.
Now you claim that VU has changed again and our teamwork is much better. I won't shout that from top of a rooftop unless we win a Vicewar :-*. The only thing that has changed is your own thinking about VU.
I'll vote no for now. Hopefully you would take some time for the self-introspection and apply again in future.
Thanks for your vote and your opinion :)
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You must accept your mistakes and be sure what you want.
Maybe in the future ;) , but now No. :/
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You must accept your mistakes and be sure what you want.
Maybe in the future ;) , but now No. :/
I accept my mistakes and I'm sure I want to join here, btw thanks :)
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Poll results: 11 - trainee; 11- deny.
We've had two discussion threads open - one in the VU board and one in the rookies/trainees board. Many of the people who voted trainee (myself included) believe that whilst we're open to giving you a second chance, now is not the right time as there are so many members of the clan who don't trust you.
Thank you for your patience, and for putting so much effort into answering our questions.
Feel free to apply again in the future, but for now, your application has been denied.
I'm keeping this topic unlocked, in case you or anyone else has anything to add.
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Poll results: 11 - trainee; 11- deny.
We've had two discussion threads open - one in the VU board and one in the rookies/trainees board. Many of the people who voted trainee (myself included) believe that whilst we're open to giving you a second chance, now is not the right time as there are so many members of the clan who don't trust you.
Thank you for your patience, and for putting so much effort into answering our questions.
Feel free to apply again in the future, but for now, your application has been denied.
I'm keeping this topic unlocked, in case you or anyone else has anything to add.
I'll be back in the future then, thanks for your time VUs. Have fun :thumbsup:
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Well, the link axxo shared,you were about to leave because a clan mate teamed up with someone else and killed you ?
If I am in such condition,it would make me happy that I finally got a chance to kick my clan mate's ass.
Whenever veteran joins the opponent in a/d, I don't cry upon that, I rather make him regret to join the opposing team O0
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Locked.
Eem, you can't lock topics