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News and Announcements / Re: ULK.Akiharu, worse than Ray?
« on: June 01, 2012, 11:31:30 am »
Oh no, you brought in the "IRL" guns here on the previous page of this thread, I hadn't referred to any of it beforehand. You're mistaking me for aki, who's referring to actual laws on the XE threads and I believe that to be equally pathetic.

The brainwashing? My thoughts are my own. I have not spoken to akiharu about this issue. I take very few people seriously enough to let them influence me, and Akiharu is not one of them. I am well aware most of the words he says is for effect only, rhetoric and manipulations.

Anyways I didn't bring up akiharu's contributions to ULK because they'd matter to anyone outside ULK. You need to apply your brain a bit, as Foxtrot suggested, and read my posts again. I brought it up because his contributions matter to ULK, and they will most certainly be taken into account when we're weighing his fate. I brought those contributions up in the process of trying to explain to you that we take care of our matters ourself and you guys believing you are in a position to pressure us in our internal matters is futile. I thought this much was obvious. I do hate repeating myself.

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News and Announcements / Re: ULK.Akiharu, worse than Ray?
« on: June 01, 2012, 10:45:30 am »
You'll need to re-read my post.

I'm not protecting him. He stole the passwords, I believe that much is established. And I believe he should take the responsibility for his actions.

And while it's true legal theory does have a few instances where inaction could be considered a crime in itself, this is not one of them, sorry ;p. He acted of his own volition and will. We didn't ask him to get anything (well Sephiroth did for LW's, but as far as I know he's the only exception), nor did we help him in any way. And prior to this whole drama we (at lease me) had no idea about his methods.

So if you're so intent on arguing real life mechanics into this crime, you should do your homework. You can include the rest of us by your own morality, but not by real life legal theory.

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News and Announcements / Re: ULK.Akiharu, worse than Ray?
« on: June 01, 2012, 10:23:54 am »
Quote from: Charley on May 29, 2012, 09:58:38 am

.. if you do not kick Akiharu out of your clan then you are in some ways vindicating his actions and confirming this statement as true ..


Thinking you're in a position to even suggest anything to us is arrogance as well ;p

Aki has been slaving for ULK since we came to VCMP. He's given us the forums, he's given us the site, he's given us a server (two). Maybe in the process he's deluded himself into thinking he's got more power than any other ULK, and it's understandable you share the delusion. If he's worked for a power grab all this time, he's worked for nothing.

Any ULK defending aki here is out of touch with reality as well. As I said, I knew what was going on, I didn't give a shit, and I still don't. Ya'll got fucked, and I understand that it's a terrible tragedy and an insult to you. I'm not trying to say what he did was right and moreover it's fucking pathetic he's trying to rhetoric his way out of this.

To be frank the further this angry discussion goes, his weaseling is the thing that annoys me personally most about all this.

The fact is ULK does not respond well to outsiders trying to  tell us what to do, and naturally any attempt by you trying to pressure us results in an aggressive response. And I'm pretty sure in the end if we weigh aki's work for ULK vs your poor security habits, the vote for kicking him will not pass. It might, since his weaseling is working against him as well, but I wouldn't bet on it ;D

The point is, we can take care of our own affairs. You should learn your place and keep out of it.

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News and Announcements / Re: ULK.Akiharu, worse than Ray?
« on: May 26, 2012, 10:06:18 pm »
Alright, my bad NewK. Perhaps I was assuming too much.

That's all I wanted to make sure here, hate me all you want, just don't direct that distaste towards everyone that shares my tag just because of my arrogance. :>

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News and Announcements / Re: ULK.Akiharu, worse than Ray?
« on: May 26, 2012, 07:49:51 pm »
Alright anyways, I'd be working against my original agenda here now anyways if I continued arguing, so I'll state this again, as Tical did on XE:

I apologize on the behalf of the clan and again, I'd appreciate it a lot if the innocent ULK could be left out of this collective shame-and-hate. And I realize and understand it's a hard thing to filter through the detest in a matter like this.

The guilty ones have had it coming, I'm not going to defend or justify them.

And if you feel like attacking me again, please do so in PM. I'd rather not defend my own person here, since that's a different issue.

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News and Announcements / Re: ULK.Akiharu, worse than Ray?
« on: May 26, 2012, 07:22:53 pm »
That sheer arrogance can be attributed to me and a few others at best. Not to the whole clan.

Generalizing is a huge flaw in thinking, and hate is a petty emotion. It is not uncommon for the small-minded though. So as far as "proving points" goes, you proved my non-direct go at lesser souls true as well, making yourself part of that group, and you seem intent on including Dead_man, Anty_army and the entirety of VU to that group as well. At no point had I made it personal towards anyone in particular :)

All I was doing was making a general plea in hopes some people might not hold a few bad members representative of the clan as a whole. We're not all bad and not all of ULK deserves to be treated as such.

Oh btw, what did you mean by this:
Quote from: NewK
Also you seem think me, Dead_man and anty_ARMY are the same person, why are you showing me their posts? They have their posts and I have mine.

I have not quoted them nor referred to them, hell - I didn't even refer to you until you wanted to make it about you showing up and trying to insist your respect is a treasure we have lost now. Have you lost your mind?

My link to the XE thread takes to Tical's post in particular if you click on it. He's got a colorful way of saying things. I was referring to Tical's post, not the thread.

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News and Announcements / Re: ULK.Akiharu, worse than Ray?
« on: May 26, 2012, 06:09:19 pm »
Quote from: NewK on May 26, 2012, 06:01:48 pm
Quote from: biohazard on May 26, 2012, 05:21:04 pm
I'd ask you not to consider a single person's actions to be seen as a clan's but I suspect ya'll wouldn't listen - it's the comeuppance this audience has been waiting for a long time. Still good to have this hopeful sentence out here.
Well that's not really something you need to worry about, my respect and many other peoples' respect for ULK was already tarnished enough long before akiharu decided to do this, starting from dishonest attitudes and sheer arrogance from some ULK members to fraudulent ways to win clanwars.

Rest assured, I personally don't care for the respect or even the opinion of the lesser souls, but there's people in my flock that do. And the majority of those people don't deserve to be hated. Hence my posts. Trying to salvage what little I can for those who deserve it. Of all the people that read this, there might be a few people that can see past their hate.

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News and Announcements / Re: ULK.Akiharu, worse than Ray?
« on: May 26, 2012, 05:51:59 pm »
Quote from: Charley on May 26, 2012, 05:30:51 pm
Quote from: biohazard on May 26, 2012, 05:21:04 pm
I'd ask you not to consider a single person's actions to be seen as a clan's but I suspect ya'll wouldn't listen - it's the comeuppance this audience has been waiting for a long time.

Yeah you're right, people have been waiting for this. I think there are many who believe that ULK members are willing to do this sort of thing, but that they are either incapable or they just haven't been caught doing it yet. As I said in the XE forum, I'd expect exactly the same sort of thing from Bishop, Olvido and Prontera.

Yeah, I don't think many would do this. And anyone that I believe that would and would now try to make themself look better *cough*Sephi*cough*, I'd point out.

I don't agree with anything that's been done, nor have I "reaped the rewards" of this immoral behaviour except for when I've been listening to people rant on PMs on irc regarding the content we weren't supposed to have access to. But as I said, I don't think it's right. And anyone trying to make themself look good, that doesn't deserve it, I will point out.

There isn't anything I can do to make this right or anything I could have done to stop it, but this comeuppance is deserved. I won't deny that. People need to take responsibility for what they've done. I'm not going to let anyone non-deserving bullshit their way out of it.

Perhaps my inaction is to be frowned upon as well, but apathy is a trait I appreciate in myself. And I did mock these shenanigans openly, so I don't care, I did my part.

Though again, most of ULK should be left out of this collective shame. I realize that's not going to happen, but again, the sentiment deserves to be stated.

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Akiharu is seen as the defacto leader of ULK, so his morals are seen to reflect those of his clan. ULK might have once been a bastion of integrity and unity, but I think perhaps that day is gone. With Aki doing this, Bishop flaming everyone in VC:MP, other members bitching about other clans at every opportunity and very well known internal conflicts between members, how are people meant to respect ULK? How are they meant to expect anything else?

Yep, wasn't trying to argue we didn't have it coming. And aki is only seen as the defacto leader by non-ULKs. You'd hear pretty loud complaints regarding him being a leader within ULK.

EDIT; forgot about the bolded part. I think you're the only person outside ULK that might ever have believed that to be true.

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News and Announcements / Re: ULK.Akiharu, worse than Ray?
« on: May 26, 2012, 05:21:04 pm »
Quote from: Sephiroth on May 26, 2012, 03:26:51 pm
...


speechless.

I thought the whole community was aware that aki had access to.. everything.

And you especially Sephiroth, since you constantly asked him for information from other clan's private forums like the better part of last year or some shit? Don't pretend to be surprised man.

I've been making public jests about aki having access to everything forever now. Guess the joke is on me.

Made jokes about that and now I'm pointing out Seph's failure of a try to detach himself from it all as well - no faux integrity for you my friend.

Sigh. And that's about all I can do. Jest.

I would apologize but since it's not my crime, it wouldn't be sincere. I'd say I'm surprised, but that would be a lie. I really thought people were aware of it.

I'd ask you not to consider a single person's actions to be seen as a clan's but I suspect ya'll wouldn't listen - it's the comeuppance this audience has been waiting for a long time. Still good to have this hopeful sentence out here.

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Farewell Board / Re: leaving the clan
« on: April 29, 2012, 02:03:21 pm »
Quote from: ferrari32 on April 29, 2012, 01:57:19 pm
Guys, this is pointless, the bug might have been lame 'n all, but this topic won't help either side. Let's just leave it with the past, okay?

Naw man, this is fun, and Juan said he didn't mind.

Quote from: Charley on April 29, 2012, 02:02:26 pm
Quote from: biohazard on April 29, 2012, 01:59:59 pm
And though I personally didn't notice it, Morphine even gave you a chance to remove the glitch from the match before as it would appear from the post above.

I think you should reread the above posts :P

Ah, a mix-up then. My point still stands though, doesn't it :p

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Farewell Board / Re: leaving the clan
« on: April 29, 2012, 01:59:59 pm »
Damn it all to hell, just couldn't let it die down, eh ;D
We're just saying the same things over and over in different words. So here goes different phrasing #873

Quote from: stormeus on April 29, 2012, 01:16:55 pm
Quote from: biohazard on April 29, 2012, 12:12:39 pm
You knew it was going to be a gunfight yet you stood by your morals and only brought a sword. You can feel proud but at the end of the day the big evil ULK will always win that fight
I'm not usually one to get involved in interclan drama, but I feel this is a perfect reflection of what's already been stated by most of the VUs here: ULK only plays to win, no matter what dirty tactics are used. The fact of the matter is that without integrity, you can't expect to gain much respect, whether it be from us or anyone else in the community, which is probably also reflected in some of the shit I've been hearing about XE's management. If you're fine with that, so be it.

At the end of the day, the stronger team won. That's all I'm perpetuating here. You were the weaker team and chose to handicap yourselves even further. We simply used all the tools at hand. And though I personally didn't notice it, Morphine even gave you a chance to remove the glitch from the match before as it would appear from the post above.

The more I hear, the dumber it seems that you call us cheaters over using it. "Dirty tactics", please. You had every chance to ban it (or use it) and make it a fair tournament by your own definition. And because of that the words "we deserved to win" that I have heard over the past weeks are completely void. And any sort of whinging over it is pathetic.

As I've said many many times over my time in VC-MP, you only get to shit talk if you win or if you have the skills to back it up. I could understand juan complaining. I can understand Cutton talking. But you or Foxtrot? You gotta be kidding me.

Know your place.

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Farewell Board / Re: leaving the clan
« on: April 29, 2012, 12:12:39 pm »
I agree that there's no point in continuing to debate this since we're not actually arguing anything except semantics. And that doesn't really go anywhere. I understand your point, but I'm not going to agree to being called a cheater. That's that. My definition of the word is different from yours.

Neither will I stand by when your people go around calling us cheaters/gay/retards. But yeah as you said, defeat causes resentment so I can understand it. . (For the dull of mind, Foxtrot's resentment derives from his numerous defeats in any endeavor to ULK)

Quote from: Charley on April 29, 2012, 11:50:46 am
We played you in the hope that we could beat you by playing the game fairly, good vs evil if you like. At the end of the day though, if you've trained to win a sword fight and your opponent pulls out a gun there's not much of a chance you can win.

That's a good analogy to end it on. You knew it was going to be a gunfight yet you stood by your morals and only brought a sword. You can feel proud but at the end of the day the big evil ULK will always win that fight :)

You're named the underdogs, and considering the community you've more or less always been one. You should take pride in it. Going around and childishly insulting other clans out of rage over a defeat is petty and doesn't become you.

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Farewell Board / Re: leaving the clan
« on: April 29, 2012, 11:29:15 am »
Hey now, Morphine's ruleset had nothing to do with us and if you have paid attention, then the hardest criticism towards how the tournament was ran came from us. (Zegro specifically).

As far as seeing resorting to glitching as a sign of weakness comes, I don't know. If that's how you perceive it, fair enough. It wasn't a special effort to use that glitch. When they chose to defend the Pole Position, Zegro said "hold on, lemme try something." Everyone saw what followed. It wasn't planned. It was allowed so it made things easier. And since it was allowed we used it to make things easier in the finals too.

Cheating in this context would imply rules being broken. None were. You could have pulled out of the tournament if you found them too unfair or you could have learned to use it more efficiently. You chose to fight us even when it was against your code. And you lost.

Those are the facts. You lost. We did not play unfair, unfair would mean you didn't have the opportunity to do what we did. You had the opportunity, you didn't take it.

Also there's something else I want to address:
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Sure, you gave us some concessions, but none of them were out of the ordinary. They were less concessions than they were obvious compromises that any teams would have made.

Oh no, we had to wait for Gudio for 10 minutes when we remade (with our advantage nonetheless) the last round since you were unwilling to use another player in his stead ;p

Wouldn't that count as an "ordinary" concession too? You did not give us the same sort of "ordinary" concessions.

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Farewell Board / Re: leaving the clan
« on: April 29, 2012, 10:56:24 am »
Sigh, you handicap yourself on purpose and expect that to be accepted as an excuse after you lose? Well to be frank, I think I can understand that as a safety net. "Well at least we didn't stoop to that level." So you can remain winners in your own minds at least.

And we did give you concessions. There's no way you can argue that.

Perhaps it is a bit conceited of me to bring it up though. It's the same as you using your own chosen handicap as the ground for a moral victory. But considering you choose to call us cheaters where there is absolutely no grounds for it more than gives me the right to do so.

In all honesty, you of all people should realize that us ULKs watch everyone else from a certain height. So naturally we can choose to give you concessions. Considering the final score, you didn't have that luxury.

And yeah, I get your point about ULK unity, but when it comes to keeping together where we need to, we do it. Our internal struggles are irrelevant here. We pull together when we have to. Bishop and Pron, me and Ryuk and whatever drama there has been, we still play side by side. You're better off leaving that point untouched unless you have more information than you're supposed to have access to ;)

As far as being "shit scared" goes, I think I'm the only one that went in to the match with a bit of uncertainty. Perhaps KingKong too. And I'm not a hundred per cent sure, but I'm pretty sure the bug only nailed us the final round against MK. They were nowhere near our level.

That two point difference only made sense until there was the defending round. Both teams deserved to have an even amount of defense rounds. LMS/TDM is even ground, why would there need to be a 2 point difference?

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Quote from: Charley on April 29, 2012, 10:55:48 am
oooooooooooo isn't this fun

Aye ;p

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Farewell Board / Re: leaving the clan
« on: April 29, 2012, 10:05:56 am »
Quote from: Foxtrot on April 29, 2012, 09:55:14 am
I consider the whole ULK clan lower than me thus I can‘t argue with you. You just can‘t argue with someone who can‘t respect his own fucking rules... you can‘t. I stopped arguing with you because i realised your level of stupidity and ignorance gets higher and higher with every post so why bother? As for juan, i‘m sorry he is leaving and I don‘t think such false and theatrical post as akiharu‘s should find its place here.

Hey now, that was what my post was about, we did respect the rules. We didn't break any.

You weren't arguing from the beginning, you were just flaming. My claims are founded and backed up with facts, while your words derive from disappointed anger.  And you're talking about my level of stupidity and ignorance? :)

And if you consider us so much lower, why would you be so hot-headed about this? Is this because your belief in ULK inferiority has actually no foundation? The results speak for us, they always have. Being angry and worse at the game isn't really a good basis for taking the moral high ground.

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