What's different about my case with the case of these people?
In your case you did not belong to a clan that was creating the hacks, which is exactly the case here.
But anyway.... 18 pages are enough, unless more solid information comes up, this is my
final position on the issue:
ANO is a co-leader,
you have a point,you see, ANO was a friend since XE's middle - We're like brothers.
ANON was not kicked,I knew his intentions were not bad, he only have wanted to become familiar with every code of
Vice City - and these scripts were his final chance (he's working on programming as far as I know - his real life job)
If I did have any idea of what would happen , there wouldn't be so many hackers today in VC-MP.
I have to take it all as my fault, I've been making morons rich in skills, gameplays and other stuff like this while my clan fell apart,and I didn't even take this serious.
I'm willing to do things the right way,if you guys give us another chance.Try me, I'm not going to disappoint anybody,ANO and these hacks will not be familiar with each other,and everything'll be okay.
I agree with adding a new system for detecting hacks, this time, you can keep an eye on all our members.
I give you my last word that there won't be anymore hacks spreading in this clan as long as I'm the leader..
ANON will STOP THIS PROJECT FOREVER, and will not be any signs of it,if the ON clan members did listen to my orders of 'no longer hacking.'
ELSE , if anybody from our gang is caught using stuff like these hacks,they'll no longer have ties with us, by any means.
I'd like to add that many of the ONs are not even implied in this situation,at least, don't ban them -
List: Wishwanath
HARIS1 - past ON
Trex (ZEVIK)
DeZ (ZERO1)
EAZYMP5 - past ON
Zeruel
DSHARD
If I mistakenly excluded someone,excuse me.PM me and I'll add him if necessary,
if you get my point,NewK,ban the ones guilty for this (which is mostly me, for the negligence offered to the clan),but let the innocent play.
Look, first of, I never had any grudges with you or your clan before as you might think. I don't even
actively play VC:MP anymore. Before all of this was found I think haven't even had so much as a single argument/discussion with any member of your clan. So don't think that whatever I decide is based on grudges. It's not. This is my decision for the CTF server.
For the players who were previous members of [ON] but left the clan or are going to leave the clan:- For the ones that used and distributed the hacks, I will shorten the ban to 6 months instead of 1 year
- For the ones that did not use or distributed the hacks, I will remove their bans. (This is according to your list)
For the players who are current members of [ON]:- For the members that used and distributed the hacks, I will shorten the ban to 6 months instead of 1 year but only if the person who created the hacks (ANONIMUL) is removed from the clan, if ANONIMUL remains in the clan, the ban duration will remain 1 year.
- For the members that did not use or distributed the hacks, I will remove their bans. but only if the person who created the hacks (ANONIMUL) is removed from the clan, if ANONIMUL remains in the clan, the ban duration will also remain 1 year.
To sum up, previous [ON] players who didn't use/distribute the hacks will be unbanned.
If ANONIMUL is removed from the clan, all current [ON] members who did not use/distribute the hacks will be unbanned aswell. [ON] members who used/distributed the hacks, will have their bans shortened to 6 months. However,
if ANONIMUL remains in the clan, the entire clan will have to endure the 1 year ban. If members from the clan leave the clan during this period they will be unbanned but only if they didn't use/distribute the hacks, if they did, their bans will be shortened to 6 months for choosing to distance themselves from the main source of the hacks (ANONIMUL).
Reasons:Why are the bans of ON members who used/distributed the hacks only being reduced if ANONIMUL is removed from the clan?- I'll reduce their bans because if ANONIMUL is removed from the clan, the main source of the hacks is gone from the clan and as a result it's less likely for these members to get their hands on new hacks. Thus, making it easier to trust them again.
Why is the ban duration 1 year for all [ON] members if ANONIMUL stays in the clan?- Because as long as there is a source(ANONIMUL) of hacks inside the clan, no ON members can be trusted. Not until they regain our trust. The 1 year period ban instead of the permanent one is their 2nd chance to regain our trust.
Why are the players who leave [ON] being unbanned and the ones who stay aren't? -Those players will only be unbanned if they didn't use/distribute the hacks, otherwise they will still be banned, except their ban duration will be 6 months instead of 1 year because they chose to distance themselves from the main source of the hacks(ANONIMUL). The players who choose to stay in the clan with ANONIMUL there, are choosing to be associated with a person who created and distributed the hacks, which is why the ban duration for them is of 1 year.
In all situations, ANONIMUL gets a 1 year ban, for being the main cause in all of this.
Keep in mind that were this any other multiplayer game like Counter-Strike, League of Legends, Call of duty, etc..., all the bans would be permanent, but since this is VC:MP, and VC:MP has a history of being light on punishments, none of those bans will be permanent. Unfortunately this a necessary evil due to the low player count of the mod.
@Hunting, as you see you have choices here, now it's all up to you. If you and ANONIMUL really are like brothers as you say, I understand some of these decisions might be difficult, but please try to look at it from our point of view: At the momemt, we simply cannot trust the members of ON as long as ANONIMUL is there. You promised to us that he would stop creating the hacks, but this is not something that you can control, ANONIMUL can do this all over again behind your back if he wishes to. If you really could control this, this situation would not have happened in the first place. So those promises you made mean nothing because you can't fulfill them. As a member of a clan that's been alive for 9 years now, my advice to you if you want to restore some of the reputation of your clan, and care about your members' reputation, would be to remove ANONIMUL from your clan because as long as he is there, your clan will always have the fame of the "hacker clan" and many of your members will probably be accused of hacking by many servers regardless of their involvement. If you want to do what's best for your members that is my advice to you.
Also I'd like to ask to forum administrators to give Hunting posting permissions again as I'd like to know his response.
Before one of you guys starts replying to this post and pointing out the flaws in this "solution", let me say I am very much aware about the flaws in this "solution", for instance removing ANONIMUL from the clan will not guarantee that the members will not contact him to get new hacks, but like I said it just makes it less likely. All of your "solutions" have flaws, just like all of the solutions I sugested aswell. There is no perfect solution, so stop looking for one. Arguing about it won't change anything, just do what has to be done and get it over with. In the end, this big discussion all comes down to whether the server managers are capable of making the hard decisions that are necessary for the betterment of their servers. I've made mine.
TL;DR: This is no tl;dr, you either read it or you don't you lazy bums