Vice Underdogs
Vice Underdogs Recruitment => Denied Applications => Topic started by: JuaN. on December 08, 2020, 06:51:51 am
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Nick: jUan*
Age: 26
Timezone/Country: España / Spain GMT +1
Previous Nicks: buda j.sara haze
Additional Comments: Since the app format aint asking me for my past clans i will do it manually: ULK(thrice) R3V DU DZ VU DnA TRC SS.
Well this is gonna be somewhat hard to understand to some people because of the fierce defence i did over anyone attacking SS clan.
Regarding this application i would like to introduce myself in case any of you dont know about who i am. My name is juan like the horse's meme (which is quite fun actually, where are alberto and miguel anyway?) I started playing vcmp in early 2008 around april on that year. The first thing that caught my attention the most around 2009 was the ULK clan so i tried my best to join them and despite the bad things that have been said about this clan over the years and even by myself. I gotta say that they taught me everything, how to fight in 0.3, A/D gameplay, pretty much the english language along with my spanish friend javi, who very few of you might know since he left vcmp long time ago. The rest is very well known in my opinion and if you have any question you can simply ask i would reply without any problem.
Regarding my application. well i was in this clan once long time ago and gotta say that those were one of the best memories in VCMP. Due to meeting ppl like Eddy, Metalord, Veteran, Charley, Ferrari32, Heeekzs, Laser/desfire, inferno, axxo, gansgtaras, knucis, thijn and many others. Its impossible to me not to mention VCCT and VCDC3 times at this point. Where we all worked as a whole just for the clan's own good, in fact the level of teamwork was awesome back then as we used to train everyday and developing new tactics like i said the unity among us was unique, taking into consideration we were going agaisnt the VCMP's biggest fish ever which imo was ULK and if it wasnt because of their cheap and fishy tricks VU would of won that championship and those that were around back then are well aware of that.
The way i left the clan back in the day wasnt right but in my defence i gotta say that i think i was pretty much disappointed towards both VCCT and VCC3 outcomes about reaching finals at both tournies and losing both. It isnt a excuse i know but i pretty much stopped playing till 2016 when DnA was closed.
Any questions regarding why i left VU back in the day would be answered as i dont want to make this ever longer.
Apart from the old nostalgia i may be experiencing right now towards the VU clan. I gotta say that i have always felt somewhat of identified with this clan policies since i joined back in 2011. I mean about seeking for future potential and helping then to grow up as fighters like we did back in the day with Eddy, Metalord, Laser those that eventually became top notch players.
I have always praised the work VU clan has been doing towards the community, despite these haters making fun out of VU clan, let the mmake fun without VU the mod wouldnt probably exist anymore. I know VU clan encourages loyalty among its members and regarding this im not the same juan that applied 9 years ago, im way older, and not as enthusiastic as before towards the game but im still willing to give my two cents here whenever it would be needed.
Regarding my old clan mates i gotta tell them that this a game, well actually more than a game due to the ppl you get know and get along to and we al lwill end up makeing our own choices and to look forwards for ourselves. Im afraid they wont understand this move but i will be the same, they have a friend here and they always will if they want to.
Before going further into the application i would like to praise Eddy's work when it comes SS, i mean building up a clan like out of nowhere. Never expected this tbh but i was aware of Eddy's potential since we recruited him in VU and let him play main CWs on VCCT for example. If he ever gets to read this he knows he created one of the greatest VC:MP clans ever, till to this day when DnA closed i still think i should have joined SS instead of TRC but then i wouldnt have met guys like ELK, Pettan, Ryxen, Sevrin etc , not morphine because i know him from way before, but was a good leader overall despite the bad ending.
Going back the app i would like to mention that i will stay loyal to the clan in case im accepted. I do know loyalty is quite important in this clan.
Now the bad part of the application is that the current state of my relationship with an important member of the clan is bad. However i was assured by the person who approached me to make this move that there wont be any problem regarding it. Since in vu problems are rather prevented than solved. I have been in many big clans and i know how to deal with this, to put out an example that happened in VU. Gudio and myself couldnt stand each other nor even talked to each other at all, but when it was about the clan we left our quarrels or grudges aside in order to make the clan success and in fact we won several CWs together. With this said, this is not the first time i have faced this kind of issue when trying to join a certain clan and i can assure that i wont be a problem.
With this being said if anyone wishes to ask anything regarding my rejoining app in VU, they are welcome. VU members and non members i will be replying to all of them.
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Good luck ked, just don't expose my mousefix in VU.
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I'm voting Full because of the number of times you have proved me wrong about you.
So it might be possible that I may end up facing sort of another VU team in Championship finals after all 😂
Goodluck with your application.
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que onda españolete. vu full O0
por cierto:
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best of luck, Juan!
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Trainee
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Trainee
Puta just kidding. You are a badass player and quite a good leader .In my opinion, VU would be lucky to have a gem like you .so this trainee voted FULL
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I've invited Juan to apply and I'm strongly vouching for him. I've known this guy for a decade, learned a lot of things regarding the game from him, and always enjoyed our conversations. I believe this guy's place is in VU, and always sort of knew he'll come back. Therefore I strongly vouch for him, and I vote rookie, as it might be easier for him to adapt. Good luck buddy :)
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Well, someone once said "Natura abhorret vacuum".
Good luck :)
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I’m voting full since there’s no much he really needs to adapt on. Pretty familiar with the game nowadays, so with how big clans operates. Good luck cabron
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Full
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Good luck buddy!
Wish me luck for my application too :-[
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Best of luck Captain!
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I've invited Juan to apply and I'm strongly vouching for him. I've known this guy for a decade, learned a lot of things regarding the game from him, and always enjoyed our conversations. I believe this guy's place is in VU, and always sort of knew he'll come back. Therefore I strongly vouch for him, and I vote rookie, as it might be easier for him to adapt. Good luck buddy :)
Well I trust ferr for this. Rookie.
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Good luck :thumbsup:
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An old member in VCMP... much experienced with clan ethos.
Voting FULL MEMBER!
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VU
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Voting No, I don't think you would fit well in here and in my opinion you should better consider making your own clan, if there is someone who can do that it's you :thumbsup:
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Good luck puto panchito ;)
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ULK(thrice) R3V DU DZ VU DnA TRC SS.
I fear
"ULK(thrice) R3V DU DZ VU(twice) DnA TRC SS."
No
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unexpected but good luck..
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Good luck juanito!
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Good luck captain.
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Voting No, I don't think you would fit well in here and in my opinion you should better consider making your own clan, if there is someone who can do that it's you :thumbsup:
Hey PunkNoodle. I do get your point of view and respect it of course but , even though its a negative vote its still appreciated and perhaps that would help to bring more competition to VCMP. But the thing is that i never seeked for leadership nor have been interested in it, with this said i mean that im not like guys like Eddy, morphine, ryz, yaceq, charley, sevrin now ( who is doing a great job in RT by the way) I dont think i have the leadership skills these guys i stated above had and to be honest i cant see myself making my own clan. I just dont see it. However thanks for you opinion.
ULK(thrice) R3V DU DZ VU DnA TRC SS.
I fear
"ULK(thrice) R3V DU DZ VU(twice) DnA TRC SS."
No
Hello rajput, regarding this i would like to mention that sadly loyalty and all that stuff to clans in the times i started playing VCMP werent that important as they are now. Players were basically being accepted and being given full member ranks mostly based on skills rather than attitude or loyalty. By the time clans have been encouraging these good values and putting them above skill, which imo is the right thing to do if you want to have a solid and united clan, but like i said this wasnt like this always.
About the amount of clans i have been in VCMP i would like to explain it a bit further because its indeed an important number of clans and could lead to misunderstandings. Back in 0.3 i used to spend a lot of time in VCMP i was like 14-18 years old during these times. Quite enthusiastic about fighting the best players and becoming better and better in the game i have to admit i wasnt very loyal and was more focused on getting personal achievements such as winning The ladder, VCDC, Vicewars, and many other tournaments etc.
This mostly happened during 0.3 and 8 years ago in 2012 i would like to mention that this happened long time ago and i was a lot younger, after rejoining ULK i went inactive and somewhere around 2013 there ULK clan got split into two factions hating each other (this is another way of saying that this was pretty much the death of ULK clan) this was in 2013. Later on the chance of joining DnA clan appeared right there and wouldnt miss it since there were ppl like darfy, habla, yaceq, zouhita, milko. ppl i used to play a lot with back in the day.
I stayed in the clan till it was closed in the summer of 2016 a decission i didnt agree with by the way. I joined TRC clan and stayed there for 1 year and half. Eventually i ended up leaving TRC to join SS and stayed there for almost 3 years till it got closed.
Well this leaves three clans since 2013 i stayed 3 years in both of them and said clans were closed. About TRC its gonna be a bit more complicated to explain. TRC was fun to stay at, however i never liked the "association" that enveloped TRC clan with WK gang which im highly agaisnt at what they did/do and what they represent in VCMP. I didnt like it but i could live with it but things eventually got worse in late 2017 when they found out an old Facebook acc of mine and used private info and pictures at it to troll me on their forums and to spread it everywhere on VCMP. This obviously didnt help in any way regarding my relationship with them i was upset at them around the time and Eddy who i had some encounters with during 2017 supported me a lot on this issue.
Things got even worse when VW7 was announced and we as TRC clan decided to team up with SS in the Triumvirate but morphine decided to break that alliance in order to team up with WK. Some of our members like ELK, Pettan and ryxen were kicked out by morphine for opposing this idea and wanting to stay in the Triumvirate alliance. I was highly against WK at that time due to the doxxing they did to me, so that along with 3 friends of mine being kicked from the clan for a reason i didnt understand led me to leave the clan. With this said i dont wish to appoint Morphine for anything, we got over what happened in TRC long time ago but wanted to explain every single detail for the own good of this application.
I could be a moron to some of you, you may not like me its ok since everyone cant like everyone and im well aware of that, i commit mistakes like everyone does. But certainly i dont think im a clan hopper and in case i was one it was on my earlier days in VCMP 8 years or more ago.
With this being said Rajput, i dont think you would have to fear anything regarding me or the amount of clans i have been in during almost 13 years now. However i respect your vote and your opinion also thanks for providing it.
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One of the best guys around! Best of the luck for you dude.
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Jaun, a player who I've known since ~2016ish, always considered him a pain in the ass (until later). He has always been one of the best players since the start of VCMP, no doubt about it. In 2017, we had a lot of competition and bad blood between the two of us due to VCDC and a topic he made about SS on VU forum.
Things were pretty heated at the time, I really didn't like him. I thought he was the biggest motherfucker in this game, but then comes the end of 2017 and he applies in SS. I was basically thinking of voting no for him, for what he did but then he apologised about it and accepted the fact that he was wrong. I decided to give him a chance just like the other members in SS. Juan then joins SS, and boy he was one of the best recruit we ever had. Plans, tactics, game-sense all top notch. My respect for him just skyrocketed. He's a very friendly player as well, but he doesn't shows it. I know as I have been his clan mate for 3 years almost. Loyalty top notch. Everything top notch.
I gotta defend my boi where he needs it as he always backed me up. I swear you guys don't want to miss a chance on a player as good as jaun. Just crazy. Trust me on this one, I guarantee this son of a bitch would be the best recruit VU had in ages.
Regards,
ex-VCDC Champion
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:o Juan puto buena suerte mamon ostia tío chaval gilipollas :thumbsup:
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When I saw this app at first, I was like.. why would juan come here? Then I thought the same I did after TRC got closed, I chose this clan.. its simple there is something in VU which attracts players, the members ofcourse, and most of them are friendly and are many in numbers. So I understood why juan would apply here, also its his home from past which he left for unfavorable conditions, and he is here again.
Everytime, I played with or against this guy, he was/is the one who takes VCMP like VCMP, he adapts its gamemode, matters, events, and everything according to the game, and according to its need. Always, a big supporter of competition in VCMP. I wanted him with me or either in a good small clan, where he would help them grow, but again its all in the choice (wish actually), to join something where you feel like family and where your friends are.
It would pleasure again, to play against you on the field on a tournament or a clan-war, wishing you all the best homie!
Adding that, jUan's loyalty have always been good until something bad occurs(any unfavorable condition or thing which is really serious). Otherwise, he would always be with the clan and its members, and support them everywhere.
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Great guy.
VU strong VU ma boii.
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neutral
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Nice explanation there juan. I really appreciate it.
But my mind is still at the same point.
ULK(thrice)
Actually this "(thrice)" is really bothering me. What I assume from this is
"you came in"
"you went out"
"you came in"
"you went out"
"you came in"
"clan closed"
One can try every clan once. because without joining no one can be sure about real working of clan.
But this "thrice" thing have another level.
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Okay, this is very much surprising. This is kind of those application you get very few. nice to have you re-think about VU after a while JuaN. I was very much inactive from your time around here but you made a name for yourself and thats always great to see from former VUs.
That being said, reading through your app there's several stuff I would like to go over before giving out my vote. There's that last paragraph in which you mention a bad relationship with an important member. Things have changed a lot believe me from back in the day and its very important for us as a team to have a well-organized, well-mannered and a strong bond within our guys. You've mentioned you can do well in teamwork putting the clan first, which is awesome but my first question to you is; have you thought about building bridges?
You're probably aware of our ethos(or maybe remember some sort of it). Do you consider yourself living this VU values?
I see you as a very strong personality, maybe i'm wrong idk... Could this be a problem? We've had many issues in the back cause of silly little stuff that strong personalities can't be mature enough to resolve.
I'm not gonna put your skills under questioning cause we all know your capabilities within the gameplay. That is not going to be a reason I would vote negative towards you. but I would basically would like to see that maturity/human side of Juan that is trying to join VU.
You come way back from our golden ages in 0.3 is always nice to see players like you still around. If you ask me what I would like to get out of you now if you do become one of us. Its your experience and knowledge that can be passed on to our younger members. As Ferrari mentioned... If VUs can get this from you it would be a solid pick, and hope as well you learn some stuff through VU as well.
Its long but I needed to get to know this before I vote. I'm a team guy and like to protect our own. Watching you navigate yourself through this will show me what I need to know to vote.
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Well like i stated above, VCMP worked differently back then probably i was wrong on rejoining them, especially the last time but come on this happened when i was between 15-18 years old, 11-8 years have passed since then. ULK got split which is pretty much like being closed. I was told to join DnA clan in 2013, I stayed there for 3 years till the higher ranks decided to close it. I joined TRC and i gave a proper and detailed explanation above of what happened regarding it. SS got closed and i spent 3 years in there.
Its not that i was caught hacking or anything related to cheating, i have been always been a clean player and i like to stay like that, its just that i joined ULK three times in 2009,2010 and 2012 respectively(and i would like to repeat that VCMP was way different back then regarding clans). But imo judging or basing a negative vote on this app because of the clans i joined 9 or 8 years ago when i was 16-17 isnt fair to me, especially when i have been proving my commitment, loyalty and defence throughout all these 7 years on all the clans i have been in, and those that know me good are well aware of this.
However i do respect your opinion and vote but i cant simply agree to it, because some guys used hacks, cheats mods whatever else and yet they were given chances in top VCMP clans and you are doubting on me because of what i did 8-9 years ago when VCMP community was quite different and i was a kid. No, definitely not accurate to me. Hopefully you can get to know me better someday and change your mind about me because im not like you think i am.
Yet again thanks for your reply and your vote.
PD:this was meant to rajput.
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Literally, in this community hackers have more respect/influence than us Juan.
Anyway, for a neat and tidy start if you really want to be in here. I don't think Trainee will hurt.
Good luck.
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Good luck juan
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Okay, this is very much surprising. This is kind of those application you get very few. nice to have you re-think about VU after a while JuaN. I was very much inactive from your time around here but you made a name for yourself and thats always great to see from former VUs.
That being said, reading through your app there's several stuff I would like to go over before giving out my vote. There's that last paragraph in which you mention a bad relationship with an important member. Things have changed a lot believe me from back in the day and its very important for us as a team to have a well-organized, well-mannered and a strong bond within our guys. You've mentioned you can do well in teamwork putting the clan first, which is awesome but my first question to you is; have you thought about building bridges?
You're probably aware of our ethos(or maybe remember some sort of it). Do you consider yourself living this VU values?
I see you as a very strong personality, maybe i'm wrong idk... Could this be a problem? We've had many issues in the back cause of silly little stuff that strong personalities can't be mature enough to resolve.
I'm not gonna put your skills under questioning cause we all know your capabilities within the gameplay. That is not going to be a reason I would vote negative towards you. but I would basically would like to see that maturity/human side of Juan that is trying to join VU.
You come way back from our golden ages in 0.3 is always nice to see players like you still around. If you ask me what I would like to get out of you now if you do become one of us. Its your experience and knowledge that can be passed on to our younger members. As Ferrari mentioned... If VUs can get this from you it would be a solid pick, and hope as well you learn some stuff through VU as well.
Its long but I needed to get to know this before I vote. I'm a team guy and like to protect our own. Watching you navigate yourself through this will show me what I need to know to vote.
Hey Theking i do remember you from the old spanish speaking based clan called UB, reminds me pretty much of SS at times. We used to play together along with Aldo, lokuazz, sebasd21 etc. Yeah you were indeed pretty inactive when i was in VU, would have been good to meet each other more since those times were quite entertaining regarding CWs and teamplay.
Yes i mentioned the bad relationship with some clan member in this clan, but in the case its needed i wouldnt mind nor be shy about doing the first step to leave grudges aside if its for the clan's own good. In fact i have experience dealing this these issues and the clan or gang should always prevail over personal grudges between certain ppl.
About building bridges i guess you mean about connecting with ppl here and stuff. In that case yea.
About the clan ethos i got introduced with it by ferrari the other day and i do feel idintified with it. Its not the same from 0.3 times but imo VU's main goal was always to seek for potential and friendly players to help developing their skills and attitude towards the community and which is more important to understand the meaning of loyalty and what a team is. Also as promoting the fairplay among the community and also to keep the mod as much active as possible with events, championships and all that stuff. I gotta admit the community owes this clan a lot in terms of activity and encouraging the game, this is not only about VU members only but also about the whole community as we can see this forum is pretty much the main VCMP forum, where everyone is free to make debates and share their thoughts whatever. Big propz for that though.
I do have a strong personality sometimes but i like to joke around a lot, however im the type of person that thinks everything can be solved through the dialogue instead of arguing. i have argued with others a lot in this community during but i came to the conclusion that its no use and im trying to avoid every confrontation as much as i can right now. It gets tiring and its not worth at all to argue over this game and like i said above i know how to leave grudges aside and to keep my ego aside if its for the clan's own good and to show my commitment and loyalty to the clan i am at and to defend it as much as i could like i proved back in TRC and SS, just to put out a recent example.
Regarding what juan is trying to join VU, i would say that im not enthusiastic nor competitive about the game as before(this is somewhat related to age as well) but still willing to give my two cents and contribute as much as i could with the experience i achieved throughout all the years in this game. Like i said i have changed a lot from those old days but also VCMP has changed. I wouldnt be a problem in case i get to join i can assure you that and will be up to help. I hope this could help you regarding the doubts you might have regarding this application and in case you have more you can always ask me.
Hope to see you ingame someday again and do some jumping duels like we used to in 0.3 r1 version.
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Glad you have shown this interest in our family. You are such an impeccable and experienced player. A leader for many, those reasons would make me vote full without further thinking.
However...
What you call personal hatred from my part, and the reason you have been asking Ferrari why do I hate you? Well pardon me, but I am not the one making long posts in our forum throwing shit lol. Let's be straight up honest. There is a lot of people in this community that clearly loves you, including members of my clan who are vouching hard for you and that is great. But let's just spit out how much of a two-faced person you are maybe that will say a lot.
Firstly, I have been informed by Ferrari, you have said "why "I" hate you?" Well, I don't remember saying you a word like in 3 years or less? Maybe 2? Until we had some encounter in CTF where you started provoking me with bullshit and in the end I called you "tryhard". That got me banned because I was nade glitching or something, ok understandable. This happened on October the 3rd.
Now we move back to October the 17th. We got this https://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=14889.msg167147#msg167147. You were clearly pissed off with me that decided to be "so honest" that started throwing a lot of bullshit. Now, what you say there, is what you think of me. What you did there had only one sole purpose: ruining my reputation. Is what you said true? For you, definitely. For me, well I doubt.
Now, let's move a few months ago, September the 25th. Evolution Attack/Defense server. You insulted one of our members, PunkNoodle, because he warned because you were doing some sort of advertising. This happened less than 3 months ago.
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In a similar situation, you raged against one of your then clanmates, Bhai, just because he could not join your side in EAD. That led to Bhai leaving your EAD Championship team.
According to you, there is football/soccer related stuff in here as well. I don't remember much about that, just some arguing we had over Barcelona and Real Madrid, and in all honesty, I don't really care about that. What I am here is to discuss your behavior and actions towards me and Punknooble, members of the clan you are applying to.
So, this says a lot about you. Once you don't get things done the way you like or minimally attacked by people you think hate you, you lose your cool and go on a roasting spree that no one can stop. This happened to me for years, happened to Punk and Bhai recently as well. Apologizing or not, you have remained the same over time.
Also, let's not forget the fact you are a racist person, but that's something to left aside as not many people care about that. Anyways, I'll leave some evidence here, it's old, but well.
https://littlewhiteys.com/index.php/topic,29227.msg282241.html#msg282241
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx5o3uOpm3c&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=Lederhos
This video itself is full of racial slurs in Spanish. If any of my clanmates are curious about them, I will translate them without problems.
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I tried to be all nice i could, replying with respect and with detailed info to everything that was asked to me. But I dont really like lederhos having such attitude
Lets start with what happened on EAD. I was certainly wrong with the manners i showed towards punknoodle but yet i still think he wasnt right at me back in 2017 on LW however that happened so long ago. Also you are ommitting what led to reach that situation and the way i apologized for it afterwards.In fact i had a very bad day back then and ended up screwing it up in VC:MP, i completely lost my shit that day also when it comes to bhai. My bad.
Regarding bhai and what happened in EAD, you certainly know nothing and i gotta say that i have had some differences with bhai during our stay in SS but overall it was good, besides from that day went everything got somewhat out of hand. I eventually ended up apologizing for the way i made him leave the team and asked him to rejoin the EAD championship team as i wanted and still want him to be part of the Champion team in case we win it next saturday and in fact even he is out from the team he will be still considered winner in case we get to win due to his contribution in the group stage.
Its obvious that you have zero intention to leave grudges aside as could be seen by the way you have ignored me when i sent you a PM 14 hours ago, nor it was possible to contact you on discord. Like i said you are lying and lying on purpose with the only goal to ruin this app at any cost. Trying to put all the blame on me for the grudges we had in the past.
I even congratulated you when you got accepted in VU https://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=10058.60, didnt blame you for the what you left SS, till i started realizing out how full of hate you were towards us. I even tried to talk with you a few times regarding why would you leave SS like that and you failed an answering repeatedly, completely ignoring me. Eventually i was given logs like these by some ppl :
[11:24 PM]
EC|Bot1: >> [VU_R]Trex killed UF.LuchgoxXx ( M4 ) ( Head )
[11:24 PM]
EC|Bot2: ---> [6] VUr.Lederhos: juan sex?
[11:24 PM]
EC|Bot1: ---> [4] UF.LuchgoxXx: i gotta play league
[11:24 PM]
EC|Bot2: ---> [6] VUr.Lederhos: go yt and type
[11:24 PM]
EC|Bot1: ---> [5] x35: XD
[11:24 PM]
EC|Bot2: >> [SS]FulToN_619 teleported to location:[ bf ], Cost:[ 7 ECD ]
[11:24 PM]
EC|Bot2: ---> [6] VUr.Lederhos: [SS]Lederhos vs =TRC=JUAN
[11:24 PM]
EC|Bot2: ---> - [SS]FulToN_619: thunder loc ?
[11:24 PM]
EC|Bot2: ---> [8] [JW]laWi: trex
[11:24 PM]
EC|Bot2: ---> [6] VUr.Lederhos: FORNICE
I wasnt even active at the time and yet found this toxic attitude from you outnowhere, its you and only you who turned against not only me but the whole SS clan, failing to do your job on TDW when gohan (ex-ss) was asking for help repeatedly, nolifing brain donor reactions in most of my posts on this forum and not only on mine but as well to other SS members, rating my VW9 application as "funny" mostly trying to make fun out of me like you did on the logs above. Yet you are wondering why i told ferrari about your hate towards me?
You mentioned you havent said a single word to me for the last 2-3 years till 3th october. The only thing i said there was about the outcome of barca 2-8 bayern in the champions league you were not the only player the likes football in the server mate, yet you said you dont care about football after we won one round while being outnumbered and its not that you said "juan tryhard" you were misusing the /report cmd to report an admin that was doing nothing wrong with the following reason "HAHAHA JUAN TRYHARD" and /q'd, the only one trying to provoke with this toxic attitude was you, not me mate.
Again you said you dont care much about football stuff yet nor you remember a lot about it but somehow you went to the SS forums around june-july 2019 to post a topic called "LA LIGA WINNER " or smth. Where you came to my place to call me "juan la puta de mierda terca del real madrid jajaja, ajajajaj" which basically means " real madrid's fucking stubborn bitch called juan hahaahahahhahha" thanks god you havent said a single word to me since 3-2 years. SS forums were shut down yet i have asked krystianoo or puma in case there is any way to recover such thread, to enlighten everyone with your nice behaviour and "i dont care about football stuff we had" since you are blaming me for the behaviour, yet i dont have any problems regarding to apologize in case im wrong
but you instead of doing that, you also lie about it.
Regarding the racial slurs you mentioned above i gotta say that wasnt right from my side to go somewhat racist and i apologize for that but in the other hand i have to say that you arent a saint regardint this either. Back when we had the football encounters "you dont remember well about" you started to bring my country to the topic: https://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=10485.msg134721#msg134721
Using the term "arriba españa" which is pretty much seen as the old fascist term used in spain during the dictatorship. Afterwards in the shoutbox and this is not the first time you have done this regarding Spain country, you called me " go play nolife minecraff like the spaniard nerd you are". There a lot of streamers and youtubers from spain and looks like this is something to laugh at for people like lederhos.Who by the way isnt the first time he tried to make fun out of myself and my country overall for this thing and "those nerdy streamers from spain nolifing youtube and streaming 24/7" "shut up español vete a strimear puto" etc.
Like i said he is putting all the blame on me when he clearly did his part on this grudge as well and he is deliberately ommitting his mistakes just to stand out the ones i did. With the only purpose of ruining this application and trying to damage my image based on empty and biased accusations coming out from the hate he feels towards me and everything related to SS clan. And obviously i cant tolerate this as it is only disrespecting to me and gotta defend myself from this bullshit.
In my opinion dude you are way more two faced than i am nor i will ever be. The way you went to EAD higher ranks to moan at the job i was doing as admin there and "juan this, juan that "etc. Instead of coming to me and tell me juan you are wrong on this etc. But of course again how would you do that if that is so far away from intentions you could have had and what were you trying to achieve by doing it. Throwing the stone and to hide the hand, this is the way you mostly operate all the time.
About the topic "VCMP should die". It was you mentioning me on it and saying that you couldnt get along with me. Its just that i got to know about the topic 3-4 months afterwards. So i had the right to reply and to explain in my opinion why we cant get along so i did. Also the way you are always moaning about how VCMP should not exist like you used to on SS private boards caught my attention. its not that i made a thread names Lederhos i think the following about you. YOU mentioned ME at the first place, i guess its not that hard to understand.
Talking about to throw the stone and hide the hand term. You pretty much showed your true colours yesterday as well when you replied to the application and deleted the reply after 1 min, yet after 10 minutes you replied again to it but couldnt get to see what you replied on it. That means you made 2 replies and deleted them, why was that? what were you trying to achieve with it? were you nervous?
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What were you trying to achieve with this? why would you anticipate that i was not wanted here with such a toxic attitude, when i was invited by a VU oldtimer that was around when you werent even around. Whats wrong with you?. But then im the one roasting ppl around, again the " to throw the stone and to hide the hand" term has been applied by you, i could have acted like i douche sometimes but at least i go straight and im honest
I was willing to leave grudges aside as i sent you a friendly PM but instead of replying to it you come and try to slander myself in public with nothing but lies, but imo you are unable to do that, even tho you eventually came with a proper and better written reply, the ones you made at the first place and removed afterwards pretty much described the type of person you are, not honest at all.
Its quite surprising me for to see you mentioning my behaviour towards you, werent you surprised after all the shit you have been doing to me and other ex-SS mates?. Either you are blind or i dont really what to think about you. Yet i tried to do the first step regarding leaving grudges aside and you failed about it and went to slander me in public instead. Pussy move.
You are very egoistic and self centered, however you are very good at hiding it, im aware of you not being able to understand other opinions nor willing to peace up. Being so stubborn and being unable to look forward, you cant see beyond the end of your nose mate besides from that you are a lier.
I do my best not to get involved with snakes in my daily life so i dont think i should be doing it on this game. Therefore i will give you what you were seeking for since i made this application as could be seen on the replies you removed to come up later with better words not to look like what you are in reality.
I had my issues in TRC with foxtrot when i tried to join as well as with Krystianoo in SS, but eventually we got over it for the clan's own good, these guys were willing to peace up and werent lying like you, at this point i think this wouldnt work with you being around mainly because of the type of person you are.
I was highly skeptical about lederhos since i had my talk with ferrari, but he could convince me since he is an oldtimer who i spent a lot of time in the game back in the day. But since ferrari is an old friend i took his invitation, im sorry if this disappoints him but its the best thing to do. We spent a good year in VU where we achieved many things together and worked our ass off for the clan but second parts were never good. I would like to thank Shawn fercho and zatch since they were strongly vouching for me as well. But VU is quite different from the clan i was once at in 2011 and sadly perhaps i have to agree with PunkNoodle.
Apart from that having lederhos slandering my image with lies after all the the work i did in this community like encouraging newbies how to play and teaching them how to fight as well as how to get the chance to reach top clans, and being friendly to whatever player, despite being a newbie or not that new that approached me for any kind of tip especially in 0.3. Lederhos is only doing these cheap moves in order to ruin this at any cost like i said he does it secretly as he is quite good at hiding his true colours.
I know giving these kind of egoistic, power hungry and self centered guys what they want, wont do any good for them but instead will increase their ego and think they are above everyone and they can do whatever they wish. But seriously with lederhos things cant be done at this point i tried to.
My apologies for the wasted time and for those that were supporting me especially Ferrrari. VU is still a great place and the main engine that is keeping VCMP alive in my opinion and i will always praise that. If there is one thing is clear is that i dont wish to be a problem anywhere and sometimes things simply dont work and its better to leave them as they are. Im withdrawing the application i think this is the best thing to do seeing the latest events.
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Closed as per request.