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Discussion => Debating Board => Topic started by: MD619 on January 12, 2022, 07:54:03 pm
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What do you think about LGBTQ movement?
Should it be stopped or it should keep going?
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It should be respected, definitely.
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There should be no compulsion whatsoever. We are not the ones to judge neither we’re to force someone into doing something they don’t want to.
It should be respected, definitely.
Wese b mujhe roystang pr crush he :-*
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There should be no compulsion whatsoever. We are not the ones to judge neither we’re to force someone into doing something they don’t want to.
It should be respected, definitely.
Wese b mujhe roystang pr crush he :-*
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I don't really care what they do unless they enforce something on us. My religion forbids homosexuality therefore I do not support it either. According to our Holy Book, a whole nation was destroyed because of homosexuality.
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This is a tricky issue here, because so many of our community members come from religious backgrounds (like Xmair pointed out) wherein anything other than heterosexuality is forbidden.
Personally I believe the LGBTQ+ movement is of incredible importance, because I see no good reason why people should be punished or persecuted, simply for loving or feeling attracted to another person, regardless of their gender.
When people are taught that non-heterosexuality leads to damnation in the eyes of an all-powerful god, and they have faith in this idea of god, I can understand how they might be opposed to it. It doesn't make them 'bad' people.
The one thing I struggle with, ethically speaking, when it comes to 'who is right' in this situation, is that sexuality isn't a choice, while beliefs are. None of us chose to be straight, or gay, or bi; it just happened, and it can't be changed. None of us chose which religion we were born into either, we didn't choose which part of the planet, to which parents, in which time period. However, as we mature and learn to think critically, we do have the ability to alter our beliefs, and our ethics. I hope that one day traditional beliefs around homosexuality etc can be updated, to a point where people are no longer vilified or attacked, simply for the act of love.
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Me entering this topic:
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I'll give my insight later on...
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What do you think LGBT movement?
ASK UR SIS
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There is no love in this. It is temporary attraction and pure lust. It has a negative impact on the individual. We should not conflate lust with love. @Charley
On-topic: Should it be stopped? Obviously, people should stop paying them attention. LGBT movement is more of a political ideology that imposes its beliefs on ordinary people. Therefore, it should be dismantled. In such cases, I admire Hungary and Poland (from other countries in the EU) for protecting their children from the LGBT freedom dilemma.
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This is a long post but I'll voice my opinion here.
Similar to Xmair, religious reasons forbid me to be on the side of LGBTQ, plus, Jamaica is very and I mean very anti-gay and anti-queer, but let me not go there and answer from both a secular and everyday living perspective.
I personally believe the LGBTQ mindset is a psychological disorder that got a green light in the name of passion. To me, if there was a community rioting for incest, it would be no different, its a pursuit of freedom in the name of passion. Now the incestual community is far minor as there are more often than not biological consequences, the LGBTQ lack such a consequence to put burden on the government to support a bunch of disabled children all over the place. They can't have children, they adopt, or if they can through modifications? Idk, it would pose no health threat to the society, thus preference is granted.
The nature vs nurture point, many psychological disorders are blamed on neurochemistry imbalances that may manifest itself due to a predisposition to genetic disorders. Some have been proven. Me personally however, I don't believe in a gay gene, I don't believe people are born that way. But let's say I'm wrong and it actually does exist, I still put it down to nurturing as we are taught how to communicate and socially interact. If a baby is born without these lessons, gay gene or no gay gene, he/she would still not know how to interact and express themselves, thus in my eye, being gay is nurtured act at the end of the day. As an analogy, we all have the ability to kill a person, and some of us, mental disorder or not, get impulses to kill a person. We do not do it because we were never nurtured in support of killing people, we were nurtured against it, it's an internationally recognized crime, a bad doing with negative consequences.
Now, the movement we see is a nurturing act, a desensitization to the pursuit of this passion. It is very evident when you watch nowadays movies and worse, children's television that there are a lot of portrayed gay relationships. A gay character is one thing, but putting in this point of must having a gay relationship in every media imaginable appease what I believe is a warped sense of human rights, that is an agenda to nurture and I really don't like that.
My previous points on incest and nature vs nurture would lead us to believe then that gays should be allowed to desensitize as there are no readily perceived negatives, but there most definitely are. The gay community is non-productive one to the human race. I am against violence to gays and discrimination, but I am not against shutting down any and all desensitization movements. It is a means to an end as we need heterosexuals to continue with procreation. While very unlikely, the world drops dead with its last generation if everyone was gay, no more children to be born, no more children to adopt, we're just there until we kill ourselves off. That's one element of non-productivity that maybe the governments have been counting on as a means of population control. Does it make sense when you note the world population every decade or century? On limited land space burning up non-renewable resources faster than we can implement the use of renewable alternatives? Food for thought.
Another element of non-productivity is the confusion it brings. I remember watching the US News about some political debate on what bathroom should a transgender use, what prison should they go to, should we allow an imaginative child who doesn't know any better modify themselves and become transgender.....you know, the kind of ignorant imaginative mindset we can relate to wanting to be some super hero character we saw on cartoon with powers.....The legalization deployed by countries has brought us into a non-productive spiral of problems that didn't need to exist in the first place. All for what? The right to passion? As I said earlier, it is a psychological disorder that got a green light by big nations.
The sad thing is, the bigger nations are bullying the smaller nations to adopt the lifestyle and legalize gay marriages and the gay agenda, implicitly threatening embargos an alienation from world institutions. All that breeds is bitterness in the smaller nations and perpetuates ill will in the bigger ones, non-productive.
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Personally speaking I don't really mind gay people as long as they don't disturb me. Think of it like this:
Every gay couple means there's 2 less boys I have to compete with to get a potential wife. If they help me out with my goal I don't mind what they do y'know...
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Personally speaking I don't really mind gay people as long as they don't disturb me. Think of it like this:
Every gay couple means there's 2 less boys I have to compete with to get a potential wife. If they help me out with my goal I don't mind what they do y'know...
bro honi teri arrange hi hai beshak bund ka zor lgale
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Personally speaking I don't really mind gay people as long as they don't disturb me. Think of it like this:
Every gay couple means there's 2 less boys I have to compete with to get a potential wife. If they help me out with my goal I don't mind what they do y'know...
bro honi teri arrange hi hai beshak bund ka zor lgale
Arranged ke liye bhi competition kam hojaega na ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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I can see why paad is asking this question.. Sussy bakaa
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Full support to LGTV :thumbsup:
Anyway:
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The gay community is non-productive one to the human race. I am against violence to gays and discrimination, but I am not against shutting down any and all desensitization movements. It is a means to an end as we need heterosexuals to continue with procreation. While very unlikely, the world drops dead with its last generation if everyone was gay, no more children to be born, no more children to adopt, we're just there until we kill ourselves off.
Opposite to yours and to many around here spain is one of the most open minded countries on this regard, im pretty much neutral about this but i know what is around me, a close friend of mine is bi and she lives with her lesbian girlfriend and they are planning to have a child, yes "have" and not adopt and this is where your statement gets wrong.
You are mostly aiming at the gay community and their non-productivity and claiming the human race would die out if everyone was homosexual. Well this could have been true decades ago but not nowadays with the modern medicine and science we have at our disposal, you are also ommitting lesbian and bisexual women (and women as a whole from what i have been reading) as if the LGBTQ community was just about gay men. As long as there are men and women in the world despite what their sexuality is, the human race wont die out and we wont be killing ourselves. Same-sex partners are now opting for artificial insemination or in vitro fertilization treatment much more than they do for adopting these days, at least in spain and other countries. Its true its way more complicated than the conventional way of procreation but it still works so they can have a baby if they wish to.
Its ok if you dont like LGBTQ ppl for whatever reason, but to those using that "if everyone was gay or lesbian the human race would die out" isnt valid at all.
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Well my personal opinion on the movement..
I really have zero issues with anyone doing what they want within their own 4 walls, it's their right. What I really do have a problem with is gay prides and that sort of stuff.
Now, the LGBTQ criers will say that the event is a testament, a cry for help, a battle or whatever.. I personally think it's pointless.
I simply don't see the point of the government, city, tax payers; having to pay shitloads and shitloads of money for an event that allows gay people to go out and act like idiots, make out, wear provocative clothes, wreck the town, and scream IM GAY AND PROUD
Good for you, I'm straight, pretty damn proud, yet I never get the urge to walk on the streets grabbing my girlfriends ass and generally making people uncomfortable. I personally am uncomfortable with a straight couple making out in public places, it's just not something I (or even worse, a child) should be made to see. And like I said, the worst part is, I even have to pay for it via taxes. Fuck that.
If banging dudes makes you happy, you go bang a dude in private. Don't make me pay for the condoms.
As for the TQ part.. Never really understood it. You're a woman, you decide you like women, and then decide you need to look like a man to like a woman. Basically, you just took a shit on the gay community that you so eagerly defend, I just don't understand. But perhaps you need to be in order to be able to understand.
In conclusion, go be happy. Just don't make others sad in doing so.
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I don't really care what they do unless they enforce something on us. My religion forbids homosexuality therefore I do not support it either. According to our Holy Book, a whole nation was destroyed because of homosexuality.
I second this. Homosexuality has only cons, no any useful pros. People know this and still continue to support it.
It should be respected, definitely.
Only the ones should be respected who were like this since the beginning of their lives, not the ones nowadays who become any type of alphabetical moron just because he FEELS like it. This FEELING community is not right in their minds
because the human that is controlled by his desires, emotions and feelings, goes downhill into the void because they don't see that if the thing they're doing is moral or immoral, thus descending into degeneration. Their "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" is nothing but bullshit, you know yourself when your hear what they say and read what they write.
Imo, the FEELING community is disabled and they should seek help instead of spreading their bullshit agendas and play victim card all the time. There needs to be a resistance against them because if they're allowed to do whatever they want under the placard of freedom of speech, I assume soon pedophilia will be considered normal too because they say it's love but we all know it isn't.
We should support and respect those who genuine have this problem and resist against those who use the alphabets to promote their own agendas.
Also, ^^
There is no love in this. It is temporary attraction and pure lust. It has a negative impact on the individual. We should not conflate lust with love.
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Well my personal opinion on the movement..
I really have zero issues with anyone doing what they want within their own 4 walls, it's their right. What I really do have a problem with is gay prides and that sort of stuff.
Now, the LGBTQ criers will say that the event is a testament, a cry for help, a battle or whatever.. I personally think it's pointless.
I simply don't see the point of the government, city, tax payers; having to pay shitloads and shitloads of money for an event that allows gay people to go out and act like idiots, make out, wear provocative clothes, wreck the town, and scream IM GAY AND PROUD
Good for you, I'm straight, pretty damn proud, yet I never get the urge to walk on the streets grabbing my girlfriends ass and generally making people uncomfortable. I personally am uncomfortable with a straight couple making out in public places, it's just not something I (or even worse, a child) should be made to see. And like I said, the worst part is, I even have to pay for it via taxes. Fuck that.
If banging dudes makes you happy, you go bang a dude in private. Don't make me pay for the condoms.
As for the TQ part.. Never really understood it. You're a woman, you decide you like women, and then decide you need to look like a man to like a woman. Basically, you just took a shit on the gay community that you so eagerly defend, I just don't understand. But perhaps you need to be in order to be able to understand.
In conclusion, go be happy. Just don't make others sad in doing so.
T regarding transexuals. It has nothing to do with looking like a given sex to attract others, more like some people don't feel comfortable with the sex they were born at first place, hence they progressively shift to what they feel like.
Believe me this shit is more complex than you think. As for the letter Q, it refers to the word queer, which is the term used to identify members of the LGTBIQ.
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The gay community is non-productive one to the human race. I am against violence to gays and discrimination, but I am not against shutting down any and all desensitization movements. It is a means to an end as we need heterosexuals to continue with procreation. While very unlikely, the world drops dead with its last generation if everyone was gay, no more children to be born, no more children to adopt, we're just there until we kill ourselves off.
Opposite to yours and to many around here spain is one of the most open minded countries on this regard, im pretty much neutral about this but i know what is around me, a close friend of mine is bi and she lives with her lesbian girlfriend and they are planning to have a child, yes "have" and not adopt and this is where your statement gets wrong.
You are mostly aiming at the gay community and their non-productivity and claiming the human race would die out if everyone was homosexual. Well this could have been decades ago but not nowadays with the modern medicine and science we have at oru disposal, you are also ommitting lesbian and bisexual women (and women as a whole from what i have been reading) as if the LGBTQ community was just about gay men. As long as there are men and women in the world despite what their sexuality is, the human race wont die out and we wont be killing ourselves. Same-sex partners are now opting for artificial insemination or in vitro fertilization treatment much more than they do for adopting these days, at least in spain and other countries. Its true its way more complicated than the conventional way of procreation but it still works so they can have a baby if they wish to.
Its ok if you dont like LGBTQ ppl for whatever reason, but to those using that "if everyone was gay or lesbian the human race would die out" isnt valid at all.
When I say gays, I really mean both, man to man, woman to woman, equally damaging, just didn't explicitly referenced lesbians. They are both non-productive to society from a new generation perspective. The bisexuals are neither non-productive nor explicitly damaging in my eyes, they have a psychological disorder and more cause implicit damage by having the potential to pass on said mindset.
You have quoted me yet missed an operative statement in what I said, "while very unlikely". It would be a very unlikely worse case scenario. I'm aware of the whole surrogate life with artificial insemination and so on. But how readily available is this? What is its cost? Is that cost really a necessary hoop to jump through for yourself in the name of passion? How does the partner feel knowing that the two that came together still couldn't make one, because sperm and sperm doesn't react, and egg and egg doesn't react. One parent is the donor, the biological parent and the other is a guardian, the adopter. Medicine has not escape that fact of life. We can say who cares in the name of passion, but its very clear the LGBTQ is fighting an uphill battle creating a whole lot of problems onto themselves and the community at large. All this research and financing to defy nature in the name of passion is another shot in the foot for mankind, because I'm sure all that resource could've been better spent helping impoverished nations get up and help themselves.
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I believe it’s definitely not by birth it’s an impact of society you live in. Everybody is born either male or female only few are born Other gender and I totally respect them cuz it’s not their fault and certainly support the idea of not discriminating them. I just don’t want LGBTQs to encourage normal people to turn into LGBTQs. I simply will never want my children to be homosexuals.
Suppose they today want to normalise being gay lesbian bisexual transgender queer, but what if in future some people are interested in children and want to have sex with them? Would you allow that?
What if tomorrow they raise voice to normalise incest relationships cuz of some shits fell in love with their sisters or brothers? Would you want incest relationship be common?
What if in future some say we’re totally not interested in having sex or any kind of relationship with humans and we want to have sex with animals? What if someone says he loves pigs’ asses and want to pound them hard?
Would you allow that?
At the moment this doesn’t seem so much of a problem but in future it will definitely turn into a serious shit.
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I admire Hungary and Poland (from other countries in the EU) for protecting their children from the LGBT freedom dilemma.
Oh boi, You don't even know what the war is like in our society because of this. I don't even mention here the topic of women's rights. This is not a good solution of our government in the long run.
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I believe it’s definitely not by birth it’s an impact of society you live in. Everybody is born either male or female only few are born Other gender and I totally respect them cuz it’s not their fault and certainly support the idea of not discriminating them. I just don’t want LGBTQs to encourage normal people to turn into LGBTQs. I simply will never want my children to be homosexuals.
Suppose they today want to normalise being gay lesbian bisexual transgender queer, but what if in future some people are interested in children and want to have sex with them? Would you allow that?
What if tomorrow they raise voice to normalise incest relationships cuz of some shits fell in love with their sisters or brothers? Would you want incest relationship be common?
What if in future some say we’re totally not interested in having sex or any kind of relationship with humans and we want to have sex with animals? What if someone says he loves pigs’ asses and want to pound them hard?
Would you allow that?
At the moment this doesn’t seem so much of a problem but in future it will definitely turn into a serious shit.
So, how would you explain my best friend liking guys since he was 4 years old, with a common hetero patriarchal family - and I being straight, with the exact same family pattern?
You should listen to them more. They like the other gender. They don't have any trouble, social, mental disease. They weren't influenced by their environment. Those are lame excuses that we put because of our lack of capacity to comprehend somebody different to us.
Suppose they today want to normalise being gay lesbian bisexual transgender queer, but what if in future some people are interested in children and want to have sex with them? Would you allow that?
What if tomorrow they raise voice to normalise incest relationships cuz of some shits fell in love with their sisters or brothers? Would you want incest relationship be common?
Dude, the difference is simple. Suppose you're gay. You have a couple and you both like each other. That does not happen with a goddamn rapist of children or pedophiles. These people take advantage of kids that aren't grown up enough to raise a voice against what they don't want. That is why nobody would have a problem with the eradication of pedophilia from the world. But who are LGBTQ annoying, more than people who don't respect freedom and liberty?
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So, how would you explain my best friend liking guys since he was 4 years old, with a common hetero patriarchal family - and I being straight, with the exact same family pattern?
You should listen to them more. They like the other gender. They don't have any trouble, social, mental disease. They weren't influenced by their environment. Those are lame excuses that we put because of our lack of capacity to comprehend somebody different to us.
Dude, the difference is simple. Suppose you're gay. You have a couple and you both like each other. That does not happen with a goddamn rapist of children or pedophiles. These people take advantage of kids that aren't grown up enough to raise a voice against what they don't want. That is why nobody would have a problem with the eradication of pedophilia from the world. But who are LGBTQ annoying, more than people who don't respect freedom and liberty?
Look bro, you never know what’s on other person’s mind whether it’s your best friend or it’s your parents and siblings. Sometimes people can’t even understand and describe their own feelings. And how did your best friend remember that at the age of 4 he was interested in boys? I don’t even remember anything else than few events related to my childhood games.
You were not with your best friend 24/7, he probably is justifying his interest with false arguments because still the society has not reached the level where people have stopped judging people based on their sex orientation.
I tell you why I’m interested in females, I remember at young age(I can’t remember exact age but definitely not 4 years old) I used to watched TV & both male and female actors were there from both of them my young brain chose female actor to like, at that moment I figured out I’m interested in female although I didn’t know anything about sex romance etc but still the female attracted my brain and obviously my brain had sex hormones.
I’m sure if I was exposed to gay based relationship movies or cartoons I would definitely be a gay today.
When given option between male and female a human naturally prefers the opposite gender.
And being straight, with the exact same family pattern you are still not a gay is because you were most probably not exposed to what your best friend was.
And coming to your second point about pedophiles, yes there is a consent between two men to become gays and have relationship but do you know how easy it is to convince a kid for doing anything? Terrorists train kids who later become horrible kills don’t you think convincing kids for sex wouldn’t be easy? Ofc it’s easy and I have seen examples of that with my eyes, I swear I know many motherfuckers who convinced children for sex and I see those children spending more time with those dickheads than their family and I’m sure when they reach adultery they will also become pedophiles.
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Convincing kids is easy, yet inmoral. They don't have the capacity to decide nor know what is correct or not yet. Definitely, nobody would ever consider moral or ethic to abuse of this condition of kids. That's why it's different to the reclamation from the LGBTQ community.
I have memories from the time I was four, it depends on the person.
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Gay and lesbian has been immoral from a long time too that’s the reason in-game or in real “you fucking gay” or “ you fucking lesbian” have been considered disrespectful towards the other person. This LGBTQ has now recently become meaningful and not immoral to many people similarly I would say in future pedophilia will probably not be considered immoral(if LGBTQ is normalized).
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Specially if you are Muslim i must tell you homosexuality / ham-jins parasti is HARAM in our religion and you should be against it!
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Specially if you are Muslim i must tell you homosexuality / ham-jins parasti is HARAM in our religion and you should be against it!
Definitely, but you can't force your ideas on others(non muslims) they don't want. As long as they don't do something to you, respect and let them be. Don't spread hate, spread love. As Islam itself means peace.
Personally speaking I don't really mind gay people as long as they don't disturb me. Think of it like this:
Every gay couple means there's 2 less boys I have to compete with to get a potential wife. If they help me out with my goal I don't mind what they do y'know...
Don't worry, even If 99% of people find you unattractive then around 75,000,000 people on earth still find you attractive. ^-^
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Personally speaking I don't really mind gay people as long as they don't disturb me. Think of it like this:
Every gay couple means there's 2 less boys I have to compete with to get a potential wife. If they help me out with my goal I don't mind what they do y'know...
Don't worry, even If 99% of people find you unattractive then around 75,000,000 people on earth still find you attractive. ^-^
I can confirm it's 100% and not 99%
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There is no love in this. It is temporary attraction and pure lust. It has a negative impact on the individual. We should not conflate lust with love. @Charley
My gay friends would have a good laugh at that, haha. Gay relationships work just like straight relationships - there is lust and passion in the beginning, but sooner or later that begins to fade. What grows are feelings of attachment, admiration, appreciation, and all the other facets that comprise love. A couple of my friends (both guys) have been together for around 10 years. Their sex life is now very limited, but they love each other more than anyone or anything on the planet. They make each other feel happy and secure.
I take from your comment that you've not had gay friends before, and you may not have had much experience with love, as you would understand this to be the case in most relationships, gay or not. This isn't a criticism of you, but I feel you're making a strong statement based on a clear lack of evidence.
Suppose they today want to normalise being gay lesbian bisexual transgender queer, but what if in future some people are interested in children and want to have sex with them? Would you allow that?
What if tomorrow they raise voice to normalise incest relationships cuz of some shits fell in love with their sisters or brothers? Would you want incest relationship be common?
Conflating gay relationships with paedophilia and incest is just a non-starter, lol. Vedder said it quite well, but just to reiterate:
(In most cases) LGBT people simply want to have equal rights to straight people. That is, they want to be able to marry, have relationships, and be accepted in society as 'okay'. These relationships are between two consenting adults.
Paedophilia
There are a few reasons why having sex with kids is illegal and immoral. Here are two.
1) Children are incapable of giving informed consent. That is, because of their age, they don't have enough information available to them about the consequences of entering into sexual relations with others to be able to make a decision that is in their interests. As you said, MD, it is possible to convince children to do all manner of unspeakable things. This is precisely why it's a problem.
2) Children are not physically developed to the point where it is safe for them to have sexual relations. Subjecting a body that isn't yet sexually mature to sex acts can cause severe harm, both physically and mentally.
Incest
Perhaps surprisingly, incest is, and has been for a long time, legal, across vast swathes of the planet. It seems many places are more willing to accept sexual relations between siblings than they are between members of the same sex.
It is illegal in many countries, however, either for religious reasons or because children borne of incestual relations have a significantly higher chance of genetic disorders.
The reason we don't see more incest is because it's just not a very common trait, in humans, to desire those in our families. People don't think 'Ooo I'd love to fuck my sister, but damn, it's illegal'. They just don't want to fuck their sister.
The difference
In any case, incest and paedophilia are patently different issues to the rights of LGBT individuals - who are adults, capable of giving informed consent, and who will not produce offspring with genetic disorders - to have relationships and marry. Equating them is like someone saying 'Well if you eat chicken, why not eat human?'
Nature vs nurture
There have always been records of same-sex orientations, across all cultures, for all of history. Sex with members of the same sex is also present across the animal kingdom. This suggests that it is at least partly a genetic trait. But even if it's more nurture than nature, so what?
In countries where homosexuality has long been tolerated or accepted, where gay relationships are seen on-screen and regarded as 'no big deal', has there been any huge crisis? Nope. In the UK, The Netherlands, Germany, France, US and more, while acceptance of homosexuality culturally has risen, the number of people identifying as gay, or bi, or queer, has remained pretty much steady. Small increases have been attributed to the fact that people feel safer, now, to admit their sexuality.
I'm not sure what sort of doomsday situation people are envisaging here, but at least in these countries, the result of accepting LGBT rights, regarding marriage and relationships, has been net positive. The only real harm that has been done has been by straight people, committing acts of violence out of fear and ignorance.
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Incest
The reason we don't see more incest is because it's just not a very common trait, in humans, to desire those in our families. People don't think 'Ooo I'd love to fuck my sister, but damn, it's illegal'. They just don't want to fuck their sister.
I wouldn't say that completely. It's true that the extremist aspect of incest isn't very common (brother-sister, mother-son, father-daughter). Maybe it actually is in the whole royal intermarriages scene, idk, but I do know for sure the first cousin aspect is very very common, so much so that you find that a lot of people's first dabble of infatuation, intimacy or sexual experimentation comes from mutual attraction this group.
There are cases of non-mutual attraction though, like just this Christmas holiday one of my friends unfortunately got molested by her male cousin, but that is not a case to say there's a lot of one-sidedness in the group, its abuse through consensual mismatch as you would have to anybody else in life i.e. I like you, they don't like me back.
Most people will indeed have had a discussion/thought along the lines of "man if he/she wasn't my cousin I'd...[insert sexual act here]" or just merely look it up in their national law to see if there is a restriction because there is an attraction. The same friend admitted that she had a deep crush on her uncle for years but knows she can't act on that. It happens man. They're just not setting an agenda trying to change people because they can't have their way in the countries that disallow such things. But that is not to say they never will.
We can disagree on the consequences of the mindset, and I get that discrimination and violence makes them need to be more vocal for their rights against oppression and the fear for their lives some of the anti-LGBTQ have put on them, but the precedent set by the LGBTQ community is wrong and it will have its ripple effect as the generations continue along, because the concept of human rights is getting warped. That's the conflation point. Did they really need to train the younger generation to tolerate it or did they just need to settle whatever they have to settle in legislation? All in the name of freedom of passion?
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@Charley
I read your points and until I reach the end I forget all It's like I'm reading an article lol, however I will try to speak up on few of your points.
Sex with members of the same sex is also present across the animal kingdom. This suggests that it is at least partly a genetic trait.
Well here I would say if you Equating above statement with LGBT is like someone saying 'Well if you eat chicken, why not eat human?'
animals and humans are totally different this we shouldn't compare them. If you do so then there are animals who eat their fellow animals just like wolves in a cold weather when they don't find food they eat their fellows. As they fall asleep they attack and rekt them.
Paedophilia
There are a few reasons why having sex with kids is illegal and immoral. Here are two.
1) Children are incapable of giving informed consent. That is, because of their age, they don't have enough information available to them about the consequences of entering into sexual relations with others to be able to make a decision that is in their interests. As you said, MD, it is possible to convince children to do all manner of unspeakable things. This is precisely why it's a problem.
2) Children are not physically developed to the point where it is safe for them to have sexual relations. Subjecting a body that isn't yet sexually mature to sex acts can cause severe harm, both physically and mentally.
LGBT is also immoral just the reasons are different, why people think it's by birth it's not, there is no proof for that it's a disorder acquired by a person from the society. And I think people will convert this pedophilia to a moral act by giving non-sensical reasons in future.
I have no problem with LGBTs they do whatever they want to do but I just don't want them on mainstream media to influence others. I don't want my kids in future to be inspired by them. let them do whatever they want but not publicly. I don't support killing them and depriving them of basic human rights but if they try to inspire others by teaching what LGBT is and invite normal people then it will trigger us.
some countries have put lessons on LGBT in their syllabuses for children that's what I am against because they haven't yet proved LGBT is by birth and natural.
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As long as lust and passion fade away, they change their partners. 1/4 gay men in the USA have had over 1000 sex partners[1] (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3334840/). Up to 70% of them claim that half of their partners were strangers[2] (http://shorturl.at/cAFLV).Not to mention, 30% to 40% of gays were abused and then turned gay[3] (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/).
Really, not speaking of your particular friend in your town.
Gay relationship working the same as heterosexuals is misrepresented and most of their liberal arguments in favor of them fall under logical fallacies.
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there is no proof for that it's a disorder acquired by a person from the society.
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I just don't want them on mainstream media to influence others. I don't want my kids in future to be inspired by them.
So, you basically say it's not by birth, though neither exists a proof that it's acquired by society/cultural environment, but you say you're afraid your kids will get influenced by society?
What if your kids are gay even if you censure them and prevent them from any influence stream that defends LGBTQ? Would you even love them? You do realize that not letting them be free is the real bad thing here, than them actually being how they want?
Of course, I respect you as a clanmate and I do respect you as a person, because I know we come from different cultures and beliefs. So it's probably imposible we're reaching an agreement here, though just wanted to show you a different point of view.
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As long as lust and passion fade away, they change their partners. 1/4 gay men in the USA have had over 1000 sex partners[1] (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3334840/). Up to 70% of them claim that half of their partners were strangers[2] (http://shorturl.at/cAFLV).Not to mention, 30% to 40% of gays were abused and then turned gay[3] (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/).
Really, not speaking of your particular friend in your town.
Gay relationship working the same as heterosexuals is misrepresented and most of their liberal arguments in favor of them fall under logical fallacies.
In my personal inner circle, gays are more often to have more partners because they are generally single, and less afraid of being direct towards another gay and saying: "ok, wan' do it kuh?", "ye, meet me here 7 pm".
However, that has nothing to do with love. Again if you had experience with love you will understand better what Charley has said.
I would just go ahead and tell you my story lol.
I had a girlfriend, lust came with the start of the relationship, we loved, but simply time passed, we bored of each other and found out we didn't want to be together anymore. It's totally like that in gay relationships dude, nothing different.
Do you really believe that straights don't have sex with strangers? Atleast I have, with people I met in a social network. Nothing strange on that, even more, it's getting common across society.
30% to 40% of gays were abused and then turned gay
Where are these statistic from? Can you give a source?
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So, you basically say it's not by birth, though neither exists a proof that it's acquired by society/cultural environment, but you say you're afraid your kids will get influenced by society?
Yeah bro I say it’s not by birth and other than by birth there is only one option of being a gay that is it’s acquired from the society by sexual abuse or compulsive gay sex between children who don’t get a girl in childhood xd.
what if your kids are gay even if you censure them and prevent them from any influence stream that defends LGBTQ? Would you even love them? You do realize that not letting them be free is the real bad thing here, than them actually being how they want?
I believe if my kids are not exposed to such thing they will never turn into gays.
And of course not wanting to expose them to such thing doesn’t mean I will not let them free, according to me I will be rather saving them from gaylife imprisonment.
Of course, I respect you as a clanmate and I do respect you as a person, because I know we come from different cultures and beliefs. So it's probably imposible we're reaching an agreement here, though just wanted to show you a different point of view.
Thanks for the kind words I respect you too bro. Same thing I wanted to do, it’s really hard to change other person’s mind with arguments specially when the dispute is based on religion and religiously related argument(although I haven’t brought religion in any of my replies).
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there is no proof that it's a disorder acquired by a person from society.
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I just don't want them on mainstream media to influence others. I don't want my kids in future to be inspired by them.
What if your kids are gay even if you censure them and prevent them from any influence stream that defends LGBTQ? Would you even love them? You do realize that not letting them be free is the real bad thing here, than them actually being how they want?
Bruh, a parent is better at deciding what is best for their children. If my children go alone to the main road, I will probably teach them the dangers of roaming alone, or scold them or even slap them, does that mean I hate them? As for MD, I believe he knows the dark sides of the media and he knows how he should prevent himself and his family.
No children are born to be gay. They are not born to be lesbian, gay, bi, helikopters and idk how many alphabets will be added in near future. They are either male or female. Can't exactly speak for Transgenders. I am no biology expert. Children are always curious and they quickly inhabit the same culture to which they are exposed or an incident that impacts their life for a long period even permanent. Take, for example, if I live in Saudi Arabia I and my family will gradually adapt to their culture. If I get lethal electric shock I will always feel afraid of going near electric machines. It is simple as that.
Not a religious but from a biological perspective, a species need to reproduce in order to survive and expand. If all humans on earth turned gay, I cannot say for how long they will survive. But one thing is sure, they won't have any babies to adopt. :)
I would just go ahead and tell you my story lol.
I had a girlfriend, lust came with the start of the relationship, we loved, but simply time passed, we bored of each other and found out we didn't want to be together anymore. It's totally like that in gay relationships dude, nothing different.
Do you really believe that straights don't have sex with strangers? Atleast I have, with people I met in a social network. Nothing strange on that, even more, it's getting common across society.
And, thank you for proving my point.
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WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU BE ATTRACTED BY ANYTHING ELSE THAN PUSSY IF YOU ARE BOY?
YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WHEN YOU FEEL A HUGE DICK MONSTER ENTERING UR TINY ANUS? IF YES, I GOT SOME GUYS TO INTRODUCE YOU TO...
JEEZ, THIS TOPIC MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE
BOY WITH GIRL, OR FUCK URSELF LOL
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WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU BE ATTRACTED BY ANYTHING ELSE THAN PUSSY IF YOU ARE BOY?
YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WHEN YOU FEEL A HUGE DICK MONSTER ENTERING UR TINY ANUS? IF YES, I GOT SOME GUYS TO INTRODUCE YOU TO...
JEEZ, THIS TOPIC MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE
BOY WITH GIRL, OR FUCK URSELF LOL
How do you know those guy have what you're claiming? ??? Hunting sussy baka
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scalla cheating on blitz
You're next Royo my cutie boyo 😉😏
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A big/bad joke haha
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WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU BE ATTRACTED BY ANYTHING ELSE THAN PUSSY IF YOU ARE BOY?
YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WHEN YOU FEEL A HUGE DICK MONSTER ENTERING UR TINY ANUS? IF YES, I GOT SOME GUYS TO INTRODUCE YOU TO...
JEEZ, THIS TOPIC MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE
BOY WITH GIRL, OR FUCK URSELF LOL
How do you know those guy have what you're claiming? ??? Hunting sussy baka
JUST RUMORS I HEARD BRO, SO IF YOU WANT YOUR HUSBAND TO BE A RICKY MARTINS, GO AHEAD AND PM ME
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I've changed my opinion a little. My opinion about "TQ" is that they are a bunch of degenerate perverts who abuse kids. They should receive capital punishment.
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I've changed my opinion a little. My opinion about "TQ" is that they are a bunch of degenerate perverts who abuse kids. They should receive capital punishment.
baby steps towards humanity
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...the LGBTQ mindset is a psychological disorder that got a green light in the name of passion.
Slowly but surely coming to light?
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Atleast with the TQ part, yes. LGB, good guys.
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At least with the TQ part, yes. LGB, good guys.
I am interested to know what made you change your mind on this. I doubt this because of the recent school incidents that have become popular. If not, you should check it out. Parents (especially in US) have been protesting against books focused on "sex" and "gender" dilemmas fed to children. It does matter whether it's gay or hetero, nazism, kkk. Children do not need to know what it feel like to have anal sex, etc.
I have seen many videos of children (5-10 y/o) reading passages from books in front of the school board to protest against it. There are naked pictures of girls and guys having $3x in the books. Those books are placed in kids' libraries. Fun fact, the school staff does not feel ashamed of it but has a problem when kids read it aloud. You may feel disgusted reading this, so I will not go into details.
Then there are also "Child groomers" on Tiktok (such as Joffery Marsh), social media targeting especially children to have no connection with their parents and don't share their secrets with them. Even gay communities have condemned it. And as I said earlier, it does not matter whether it's gay, hetero, or nazism.
Not only that, there are many men alleging themselves to women, who can freely participate in women's sports, win medals, etc, because you know men have physique than women (period lol) so they are basically handicapping women in sports. Since they (men) are now allegedly women, they can also go to the women's bathroom (it does not matter if they a 10 y/o girl), they can do so.
You may think that I am cherry-picking incidents and generalizing the whole community for the actions of individuals, well yo are right but also wrong. These incidents have been soaring past decade (I will rephrase myself that many gays/lesbians/trans don't support it either).
The worst thing about it is when you speak against it for the defense of your children (which is your right as a parent and a civilian), you are immediately canceled, called a bully, racist, and homophobe.
I agree with Ferrari's earlier statement: it is no business what someone does inside their rooms. Same for heteros and gays. The problem arises when they push their agenda on the normal people who do not want it. It sounds more like a global concern. It does not matter whether you are an atheist, Jew, Catholic, or Muslim. If you care about children (the next generation), you should know what you be doing. So you know why the problem is not with sex but with the upbringing of children.
(Though as a Muslim, I will never subscribe to the idea of same-sex, and I am obligated to speak against it(open to argument), it has nothing to do with what I said above).
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I doubt this because of the recent school incidents that have become popular. If not, you should check it out. Parents (especially in US) have been protesting against books focused on "sex" and "gender" dilemmas fed to children. It does matter whether it's gay or hetero, nazism, kkk. Children do not need to know what it feel like to have anal sex, etc.
I have seen many videos of children (5-10 y/o) reading passages from books in front of the school board to protest against it. There are naked pictures of girls and guys having $3x in the books. Those books are placed in kids' libraries. Fun fact, the school staff does not feel ashamed of it but has a problem when kids read it aloud. You may feel disgusted reading this, so I will not go into details.
Kind of this, yeah. I started to seek more information about what 'a sex change' conveyed. Mutilation and mental disorder were the key figures.
I agree that children do need sexual education (onwards S.E.) because S.E. is not only related to sex, and it can be a useful device in preventing unforeseen parenthood. However, S.E. becomes a problem when it is not about nurturing children but attempting to deviate their sexual orientations and making them feel like it is normal to "CHANGE" sex.
To be "trans" is not normal. Mutilating your penis and using an artificial vagina instead isn't normal either. What the actual fuck is a "trans kid", whom Biden defended in his last speech?
I am not saying that we ought to discriminate people for not easily fitting into a gender category. It is just that "changing" your sex is not possible, and you must accept it. You are either male or female, no matter what kind of mutilation you do.
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I agree that children do need sexual education (onwards S.E.) because S.E. is not only related to sex, and it can be a useful device in preventing unforeseen parenthood. However, S.E. becomes a problem when it is not about nurturing children but attempting to deviate their sexual orientations and making them feel like it is normal to "CHANGE" sex.
This should be taken a lot carefully when said because the ongoing targeting of kids is disturbing. You have probably come across many stories by now of gay parades chanting "We coming for your children", men as old as 50s twerking in front of children. There's a rising surge of programs (https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/06/23/rub-it-with-your-finger-who-teaches-kids-masturbation/) that teaches kids how to masturbate. If this is not directed towards child grooming and normalizing pedophilia... There needs to be a collective agreement not between individuals but governments as a whole to protect children just as they were quick to implement the laws in schools and risk children's exploitation. Fortunately, a lot of people have taken heed and even come across LGBTQ communities allegedly removing TQ from their community because of this. People are getting educated slowly and this hot trend will vanish soon. Small steps but better than nothing.