Vice Underdogs
Vice Underdogs Recruitment => Denied Applications => Topic started by: Dukeiii on March 29, 2017, 11:33:56 am
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Nick: Duke
Age: 18
Timezone/Country: UTC+05:00 Pakistan
Previous Nicks: Vrist, (ACP)ChEeTaH, Hara, StarDust^, BOSS and Rony^11.
Additional Comments: As the question will be popping in your minds what brings me back here?
I would like to tell you that, as I was denied three to four times my heart was broken you can say the reason I took a short break. Still I haven't tried to move towards other clan because VU is my dream clan. If I'll join any clan in vcmp that will be VU now no matters how many times you guys will deny my app, this time I am more confident and more dedicated. VU is an fabulous clan based on it's team work, fighting skills, respected leaders and clan mates, and is welcoming always. This is about two months passed and I again applied here I have'nt moved towards other clan. At-least this time guys please do think about my loyalty and interests towards the community. Hoping that you guys will give me a chance to prove myself this time
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again? :(
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again? :(
Can someone ban him? before i start abusing my power.
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http://ec.vc-mp.co.uk/index.php?topic=3366.0
Nope.
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Good luck Duke!
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http://ec.vc-mp.co.uk/index.php?topic=3366.0
Nope.
I knew that whenever I'll apply here some of the clan members will arise the topic about my death evading. None of the player in vcmp was given birth and said to be that he'll not make mistakes while playing the game. Com'on man every person used to make mistakes it is not me only in the world who did death evade, I applied later that as well as I'll have some time to improve myself and find the faults in me. No one was up there to support me when I got denied many times not even my close friends in vcmp, the reason I used waste my anger while doing death evade in game. After-all when I felt guilt I stopped doing that. And improved with myself a lot.
And something was also not going good with me in my real life too which I also mentioned on my next un-ban appeal on EC forum which was solved. You can see it http://ec.vc-mp.co.uk/index.php?topic=3417.0 Now you guys are not giving me a chance to come inside.
Than what I should do? Stop playing vcmp is not the solution, every person needs a chill in life and I gain it from vcmp, and it gives me more happiness and fun than the other games. My mindset says me: and if you're interested in something more good than why not earn a good reputation in that so the reason I wanted to join famous and amazing clan namely Vice Underdogs.
What I am asking from you guys is only one chance to prove myself, if you guys found me useless you have an option to kick me I will not ask a single question for that.
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Good luck Duke!
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again? :(
Can someone ban him? before i start abusing my power.
sorry :(
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Fair enough. You had a chance to enter VU but you lost it. As you knew that you wanted to join VU and you had applied already. You were not supposed to commit this mistake.
As far as the mistake is concerned everyone makes it and it is generally made by those who do not know about it or unaware of rules or new in the game. You have spent a lot of time in this community and if you had been wise you won't have made this mistake.
If you wanted to take your chance, you were not supposed to apply this early after all this. And it is quite weird to be inactive before applying and suddenly becoming active after aplying. I never seen you active in the game although your previous application has been denied.
I'll say again that you were not supposed to make this mistake if you wanted to apply here and this excuse is quite baseless that you were angry and unleashed the frustration in the game. If you want to play like this it's better that you don't play at all. It's a no from my side.
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Fair enough. You had a chance to enter VU but you lost it. As you knew that you wanted to join VU and you had applied already. You were not supposed to commit this mistake.
As far as the mistake is concerned everyone makes it and it is generally made by those who do not know about it or unaware of rules or new in the game. You have spent a lot of time in this community and if you had been wise you won't have made this mistake.
If you wanted to take your chance, you were not supposed to apply this early after all this. And it is quite weird to be inactive before applying and suddenly becoming active after aplying. I never seen you active in the game although your previous application has been denied.
I'll say again that you were not supposed to make this mistake if you wanted to apply here and this excuse is quite baseless that you were angry and unleashed the frustration in the game. If you want to play like this it's better that you don't play at all. It's a no from my side.
I know not committing my mistake would safe me for meanwhile but I can't build up myself by lies and cheating others. That would make my impression bad the reason I accepted my mistake. The person if has done something bad doesn't mean that he has no more chances in future. I will try my level best to get inside the community and once I get in I'll prove myself more better than everyone can be. I have abilities that will make me a good player and if this time I fail I'll apply here again till I get accepted.
And you said I was recently in-active and came back and applied here, no you're wrong I was playing VKs those days you can go and ask admins there. As I was banned in EC, I started playing VKs and which made my attraction towards it. I was un-banned in EC though I was playing VKs because I played little bit there and had more fun than I had in EC.
In your opinion excuse may be baseless but is undefined truth, I'm not lying my brother, quite weird things happened to me you can't understand them until if you yourself has not gone passed through them. You never saw me because you never played VKs those days. Not playing is not the solution of the problem here where I need support of someone nobody is up there for me. What I have to do is everything by myself by my will. I will prove myself no matters how much difficulties I'll face.
Thankyou, for the quick reply.
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I haven't played much with u so Neutral for now.
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Good Luck Dukeeee :D
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Never!
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Never!
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I am neutral.
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Never!
Can you please explain me your "Never!"?
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:thumbsdown:
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No
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Gud Luck
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Good luck :)
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Good luck.
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GooD LucK :thumbsup:
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Good Luck.
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Good Luck
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You need to work on your attitude.
No for now.
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Never!
Can you please explain me your "Never!"?
Bad attitude , You dont know the teamwork and I dont like the way you do things
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Good Luck!
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You need to work on your attitude.
No for now.
On most of my apps you guys have mentioned that work on your attitude again and again. And I always did so and this time I am more confident to say that I have done a lot to improve my attitude. Com'on guys I am eighteen and matured enough if I says you something in a funny mood that doesn't mean I'm showing off or I'm behaving rude. I always tried to hangout with VUs, but although I will still try to improve more.
Hmm, thanks for your reply Riders.
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Never!
Can you please explain me your "Never!"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tJGk4ofc18
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Bad attitude , You dont know the teamwork and I dont like the way you do things
First of all I will say that you replied me "Bad attitude" are you sure? No man you're wrong you replied me about my attitude by seeing Rider's reply you did a guess you wasn't sure about it. As you're new to the community and you really doesn't know me good enough. What thing you have seen in my attitude which I need to improve?
I don't know what problem you have with me I always treated VUs as you guys are more than my own brother. If you have any problem with me than clearly pm me in-game, I assure I will try to improve it and if you don't have than please reply me a valid reason to work on.
Second thing about me "Teamwork" you can ask Matrix, lily*, Luckshya, LA[Z]ER, Amal, Jokah, Ryne, Sk and many other VUs whenever I saw them in-game I took same skin as theirs and I always ask them "loc? mentioning by their names" in team chat or I use "/msg" to help them. I think that is the thing which is called a teamwork. If anything more that I can do to improve my teamwork skills please do mention it for me.
And the last one "You don't like the way I do things" so please prefer me a good and better way that will bother me most. I assure you I will at-least try to apply it on me if that way will be more good enough than others.
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Care to explain this?
<&RustySpoon>>** babys killed Duke (Stubby) (Left Leg)
<&RastySpoon>> [0] Duke: faggotLaggot
<&RostySpoon>>**Eonic killed Duke (Stubby) (Torso)
<&RostySpoon>> [0] Duke: Puncher nub
<&RustySpoon>>** Eonic killed Duke (Stubby) (Left Leg)
<&RastySpoon>> [17] Duke: lag :v
<&RastySpoon>>**Eonic killed Duke (M60) (Torso)
<&RustySpoon>>** [0] Duke: MF
We don't accept this kind of behaviour.
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Care to explain this?
<&RustySpoon>>** babys killed Duke (Stubby) (Left Leg)
<&RastySpoon>> [0] Duke: faggotLaggot
<&RostySpoon>>**Eonic killed Duke (Stubby) (Torso)
<&RostySpoon>> [0] Duke: Puncher nub
<&RustySpoon>>** Eonic killed Duke (Stubby) (Left Leg)
<&RastySpoon>> [17] Duke: lag :v
<&RastySpoon>>**Eonic killed Duke (M60) (Torso)
<&RustySpoon>>** [0] Duke: MF
We don't accept this kind of behavior.
Well personally I don't like this kind of behavior too. Its a 'NO' from my side, try to improve your attitude and yes if most of the mates are asking to improve your attitude then there is a reason behind it which can also be seen in these logs so instead of arguing with us try to improve your behavior first.
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Care to explain this?
<&RustySpoon>>** babys killed Duke (Stubby) (Left Leg)
<&RastySpoon>> [0] Duke: faggotLaggot
<&RostySpoon>>**Eonic killed Duke (Stubby) (Torso)
<&RostySpoon>> [0] Duke: Puncher nub
<&RustySpoon>>** Eonic killed Duke (Stubby) (Left Leg)
<&RastySpoon>> [17] Duke: lag :v
<&RastySpoon>>**Eonic killed Duke (M60) (Torso)
<&RustySpoon>>** [0] Duke: MF
We don't accept this kind of behaviour.
I swear I couldn't remember when does I said those words can you please show me full logs. They are quite old I think so or else someone else is using my nick may be. Seriously guys, I do not remember when did I made this mistake. Someone else may be making me trapped.
I know it is very rude behavior but that isn't me though or the logs you've posted are too old I guess. I would be glad if you'll show me full length.
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Well personally I don't like this kind of behavior too. Its a 'NO' from my side, try to improve your attitude and yes if most of the mates are asking to improve your attitude then there is a reason behind it which can also be seen in these logs so instead of arguing with us try to improve your behavior first.
Sorry brother let me clear it from Riders, I do care about your thoughts and feelings and if it is my mistake than I will try to sot it out from my side. I really apologize but I had a cousin who also plays vcmp with my nick on my PC first let me ask him that was he who had made that mistake if he did so than I'll try my best that he wouldn't use my PC in future.
Rickyy once I had met you in-game, you seems to be a nice guy I will be glad to make you my friend further in my vcmp career. I assure you that if it was me than I will try to improve my attitude.
And sorry for that brain donor rate on your reply, I rated you by mistake I was trying to quote you but mistakenly I just clicked on brain donor rate. I will be thankful if someone can delete it soon.
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Duke You're able for VU but need some more improvement :)
GuD LuX anyways
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GuD (https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Forientalsupermarket.in%2Fimg%2Fcms%2FPackshot-Lux-Peach-%2526-Cream-100-g-Soap-Wrapper-450x450_tcm114-297997.jpg&hash=5bd1b71fb105f6b01f069f5ba6ffeba30b7e1a88)
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Sorry brother let me clear it from Riders, I do care about your thoughts and feelings and if it is my mistake than I will try to sot it out from my side. I really apologize but I had a cousin who also plays vcmp with my nick on my PC first let me ask him that was he who had made that mistake if he did so than I'll try my best that he wouldn't use my PC in future.
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Gl
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We don't accept this kind of behaviour.
[01:37:52] ** KaraN killed [VU]MaDKiLLeR (Pump-Action Shotgun) (Body) (2.34246).
[01:38:06] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: tatti man
[01:38:22] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: choke on a cock
[01:38:40] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: suck a cow's
[01:38:46] KaraN: cow is tasty bro
[01:38:49] KaraN: and healthy too
[01:38:54] [ON]DeZ: and pig
[01:38:56] [ON]DeZ: so sexy
[01:38:58] KaraN: e
[01:38:59] KaraN: ye
[01:39:01] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: like his father
[01:39:16] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: you wanna say a pig and a cow are karans parents?
[01:39:18] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: rofl
[01:39:22] * [VU_T]lily* is connecting from Israel(IL).
[01:39:22] ** [4] [VU_T]lily* has joined the server from Israel(IL).
[01:39:25] Piterus: language
[01:39:30] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: fuck language
[01:39:35] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: you want harsh you get harsh
[01:39:48] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: talk now cock suckers
On the behalf of Vice Underdogs Clan, I am here to announce that Freak has been kicked out from the clan because of his irrational behavior
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We don't accept this kind of behaviour.
[01:37:52] ** KaraN killed [VU]MaDKiLLeR (Pump-Action Shotgun) (Body) (2.34246).
[01:38:06] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: tatti man
[01:38:22] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: choke on a cock
[01:38:40] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: suck a cow's
[01:38:46] KaraN: cow is tasty bro
[01:38:49] KaraN: and healthy too
[01:38:54] [ON]DeZ: and pig
[01:38:56] [ON]DeZ: so sexy
[01:38:58] KaraN: e
[01:38:59] KaraN: ye
[01:39:01] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: like his father
[01:39:16] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: you wanna say a pig and a cow are karans parents?
[01:39:18] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: rofl
[01:39:22] * [VU_T]lily* is connecting from Israel(IL).
[01:39:22] ** [4] [VU_T]lily* has joined the server from Israel(IL).
[01:39:25] Piterus: language
[01:39:30] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: fuck language
[01:39:35] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: you want harsh you get harsh
[01:39:48] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: talk now cock suckers
On the behalf of Vice Underdogs Clan, I am here to announce that Freak has been kicked out from the clan because of his irrational behavior
And who are you?
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We don't accept this kind of behaviour.
[01:37:52] ** KaraN killed [VU]MaDKiLLeR (Pump-Action Shotgun) (Body) (2.34246).
[01:38:06] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: tatti man
[01:38:22] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: choke on a cock
[01:38:40] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: suck a cow's
[01:38:46] KaraN: cow is tasty bro
[01:38:49] KaraN: and healthy too
[01:38:54] [ON]DeZ: and pig
[01:38:56] [ON]DeZ: so sexy
[01:38:58] KaraN: e
[01:38:59] KaraN: ye
[01:39:01] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: like his father
[01:39:16] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: you wanna say a pig and a cow are karans parents?
[01:39:18] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: rofl
[01:39:22] * [VU_T]lily* is connecting from Israel(IL).
[01:39:22] ** [4] [VU_T]lily* has joined the server from Israel(IL).
[01:39:25] Piterus: language
[01:39:30] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: fuck language
[01:39:35] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: you want harsh you get harsh
[01:39:48] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: talk now cock suckers
On the behalf of Vice Underdogs Clan, I am here to announce that Freak has been kicked out from the clan because of his irrational behavior
And who are you?
Calm down, he have his rights which are same as yours right now.
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We don't accept this kind of behaviour.
[01:37:52] ** KaraN killed [VU]MaDKiLLeR (Pump-Action Shotgun) (Body) (2.34246).
[01:38:06] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: tatti man
[01:38:22] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: choke on a cock
[01:38:40] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: suck a cow's
[01:38:46] KaraN: cow is tasty bro
[01:38:49] KaraN: and healthy too
[01:38:54] [ON]DeZ: and pig
[01:38:56] [ON]DeZ: so sexy
[01:38:58] KaraN: e
[01:38:59] KaraN: ye
[01:39:01] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: like his father
[01:39:16] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: you wanna say a pig and a cow are karans parents?
[01:39:18] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: rofl
[01:39:22] * [VU_T]lily* is connecting from Israel(IL).
[01:39:22] ** [4] [VU_T]lily* has joined the server from Israel(IL).
[01:39:25] Piterus: language
[01:39:30] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: fuck language
[01:39:35] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: you want harsh you get harsh
[01:39:48] [VU]MaDKiLLeR: talk now cock suckers
On the behalf of Vice Underdogs Clan, I am here to announce that Freak has been kicked out from the clan because of his irrational behavior
Just to end confusion, freak behavior wasn't good with his clan members, it has nothing to do with logs.
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Just to end confusion, freak behavior wasn't good with his clan members, it has nothing to do with logs.
Behavior is behavior, Freak's a human too, and i replied to Rider's point, about the Freak thing so as i said, he's a human too, clan comes second, being double standard is different thing but Freak's behavior always stayed calmed in all aspects, I have no idea about what happened in private board but I can guess, there was no harsh word exchange from his side.
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Just to end confusion, freak behavior wasn't good with his clan members, it has nothing to do with logs.
With whom? I don't actually remember being rude with even a single member.
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Just to end confusion, freak behavior wasn't good with his clan members, it has nothing to do with logs.
Behavior is behavior, Freak's a human too, and i replied to Rider's point, about the Freak thing so as i said, he's a human too, clan comes second, being double standard is different thing but Freak's behavior always stayed calmed in all aspects, I have no idea about what happened in private board but I can guess, there was no harsh word exchange from his side.
Well whatever happened in private i think it was posted in public, anyway if you wanna talk about behavior you should bring mine as well, because there is no day of mine when i don't rage at someone, not trying to start a argument, just stating the facts, anyway about app i am voting no.
WiLsOn out.
Just to end confusion, freak behavior wasn't good with his clan members, it has nothing to do with logs.
With whom? I don't actually remember being rude with even a single member.
http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=7774.0
Locking topic until decision is made, if anyone want to argue with each other feel free to start a topic or pm.
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Well whatever happened in private i think it was posted in public, anyway if you wanna talk about behavior you should bring mine as well, because there is no day of mine when i don't rage at someone, not trying to start a argument, just stating the facts, anyway about app i am voting no.
WiLsOn out.
Rage and behavior are two different things,just to let you know.
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Behavior is behavior, Freak's a human too, and i replied to Rider's point, about the Freak thing so as i said, he's a human too, clan comes second, being double standard is different thing but Freak's behavior always stayed calmed in all aspects, I have no idea about what happened in private board but I can guess, there was no harsh word exchange from his side.
He'll asslick WK's just like what he was doing yesterday when I and ryne was battling them, never came to help us once, thrown grenades instead, poor guy, well deserved.
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Let us now discuss the issue of freak and let us not tamper with the application. What was to happen has happened to freak and he himself knows why he was kicked so it is baseless to discuss it or you can talk to him in private instead of spoiling one's application.
As far as the duke is concerned duke you definitely needs to change your behavior. Today I saw you were messing with Karan for no reason this is not good at all.Try to keep calm
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Killed Karan a few times, dude got pissed, started spewing random racist shit and received few well wishes from my side as well. That's all what happened. In Freak's case, he decided to ignore the entire freaking clan for two months, including management. I fail to realize the correlation between these two scenarios.
In simple words, try harder next time.
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Behavior is behavior, Freak's a human too, and i replied to Rider's point, about the Freak thing so as i said, he's a human too, clan comes second, being double standard is different thing but Freak's behavior always stayed calmed in all aspects, I have no idea about what happened in private board but I can guess, there was no harsh word exchange from his side.
He'll asslick WK's just like what he was doing yesterday when I and ryne was battling them, never came to help us once, thrown grenades instead, poor guy, well deserved.
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About this so, i had some issues with him in the past, i sorted out the day i commented that, i found no option to delete it or modify it since it got locked before i do anything.
Killed Karan a few times, dude got pissed, started spewing random racist shit and received few well wishes from my side as well. That's all what happened. In Freak's case, he decided to ignore the entire freaking clan for two months, including management. I fail to realize the correlation between these two scenarios.
In simple words, try harder next time.
Killed me? you started with harsh words the next minute you joined the server, please stop lying.
About Freak so,It's not behavior then, it's ignorance, there might be some reasons, you decided to kick him for that behavior instead of letting know why he's acting like that, leave it, i just wanted to add some evidence to Rider's post and it's funny you're replying here politely but all you were doing ingame was mocking me, good, and yeah about the hypocrisy double standard, you just proved my point, Thank you. Peace out.
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As far as the duke is concerned duke you definitely needs to change your behavior. Today I saw you were messing with Karan for no reason this is not good at all.Try to keep calm
First I was in a funny mood I wasn't serious though, when he talked about my application that he can do anything with my application. I became little bit serious that look who really he think he is, is he one of the leaders of VU, or he's more than it, is he god?
He needs to change his behavior too, but as I am concerned and this is my app not his so Siezer, I assure you I will be calm and cool with others. I am not messing with him anymore, I will try to improve my behavior with him.
@Karan this is not a right place to talk about the discussion you've started, I mean look what are you doing spoiling my whole app. It will be better to start a topic of this kind in relevant board, totally agreed with Siezer's reply.
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In Freak's case, he decided to ignore the entire freaking clan for two months, including management.
You're saying that I ignored the clan for two months, you're completely wrong about that. I used to talk with them on whatsapp (a lot) and also used to play with them in game. Neither did I ignored them nor did they ignored me so I'm not really sure what you're talking about and about that management thing, you guys messaged me and I replied accordingly, I didn't even ignored the management mate.
Just to make it clear, this is not my application.
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In Freak's case, he decided to ignore the entire freaking clan for two months, including management.
You're saying that I ignored the clan for two months, you're completely wrong about that. I used to talk with them on whatsapp (a lot) and also used to play with them in game. Neither did I ignored them nor did they ignored me so I'm not really sure what you're talking about and about that management thing, you guys messaged me and I replied accordingly, I didn't even ignored the management mate.
Just to make it clear, this is not my application.
What the fuck? As we know, members from the "management of VU" said (i'll not mention who) "Freak, think about it" "Don't leave"... Two weeks later has been kicked. Reason: irrational behavior. Freak comited an error, he already said that, but you guys comited another and nobody cares about it. Freak is Freak and Duke is Duke, do not compare with him, there's a straight line between.
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Freak is Freak and Duke is Duke, do not compare with him, there's a straight line between.
And we both are humans right? :D
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Freak is Freak and Duke is Duke, do not compare with him, there's a straight line between.
And we both are humans right? :D
He's a beast, you... Well, I don't know if you are qualified as human...
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He's a beast, you... Well, I don't know if you are qualified as human...
No man he's human as I am, he's the first player in VCMP I ever met who always guided me to right path. I always used take advises from him. He's an experienced guy with nice attitude and great fighting skills. I like this guy, hope so he may play vcmp a long time. A day will come when everyone will realizes his presence.
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Gentlemen, focus, please.
We (vu members) know what happened there in the private boards, the things Freak did, and the way we tried to fix things before coming up with such decision. Also, we were in charge to explain it publicly as Madkiller did. There's no need for us to bring those things to an application that doesn't have anything to do with Freak's kick. I, on behalf of my members, will kindly ask you to stop this unnecessary posts or you will be banned for spamming an application with off-topic posts.
Now, about the application.
Duke, you have shown us that you have several things to improve yet, aside from the fact that you have recently came back. The point when we deny your application is not to just reject you; if you're still interested you're free to improve the bad sides we highlighted and come back in a few months.
The main problem with you is attitude and rage issues, things that you must improve if you want to become part of this family.
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Duke, you have shown us that you have several things to improve yet, aside from the fact that you have recently came back. The point when we deny your application is not to just reject you; if you're still interested you're free to improve the bad sides we highlighted and come back in a few months.
The main problem with you is attitude and rage issues, things that you must improve if you want to become part of this family.
I know there are some bad habits that I have to improve. Next time with my app I will not only bring a good attitude with me I will also bring bunch of positive votes for me. I will earn that respect which will make me to become a part of this beautiful family.
I want someone who can guide me as Freak did, as he's no more VU I need any other VU who can guide me well.
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Gentlemen, focus, please.
We (vu members) know what happened there in the private boards, the things Freak did, and the way we tried to fix things before coming up with such decision. Also, we were in charge to explain it publicly as Madkiller did. There's no need for us to bring those things to an application that doesn't have anything to do with Freak's kick. I, on behalf of my members, will kindly ask you to stop this unnecessary posts or you will be banned for spamming an application with off-topic posts.
Aight, I apologize. On behalf of me and freak, Stop talking shits about that situation that you mentioned and focus in the app. Thanks!
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Deny this app already, this is going nowhere and I don't want to discuss Freak's matter here.
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Poll results:
Trainee: 2
No: 16
Duke, on this occasion your application has been denied. I think there is enough explanation in the thread for you to consider to understand why.
Everyone else, don't come here and try to tell us how to run our clan. This is our home, and we have rules. We abide by those rules, and we don't let individual egos supersede them. The fact that Freak still thinks he did nothing wrong is proof that kicking him was the right thing to do, as he clearly doesn't understand what being a VU means.