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Title: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 16, 2016, 02:22:01 pm
To morphine: sorry for being an attention whore - and of course, you knew all about this all along.
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I have come into possession of very interesting material recently.
 
Straight to the point - we all know the infamous ON clan - a part 'of the best team evarrrrr'; everyone surely has heard of people accusing them of cheating once in their 'VCMP career'.
 
This topic is going to show E V I D E N C E of the ON clan in fact being a bunch of cheaters.
 
Let's start: (this won't be long, but rather short and self-explanatory)
 


(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGwyieRh.png&hash=2e454ada8b50106864bf848ae19616eb9bf2488f)
This is evidence of an ON member (won't disclose name this time) giving F1 to our contact (named later) and how to make it work in-game.
 
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKpfKmk2.png&hash=a80c801ad3d72c8a44c81f88a87d3c7e2807ca4a)
 Personal Message footage of KxZ. aka StrykerZ on the forum or VoyaFlex or gh0st or VeilSlide or c0mrade and testing of the wall-hack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vebr1i3TWEY&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Ezw8VLEYI&feature=youtu.be
 
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After gaining more trust in ON this is the message he receives from a member named ANONIMUL - a well known figure, second member of ON I guess (after Zeruel).
 
Alright, all of this might smell like a fake, but here's what is inside the package:
http://i.imgur.com/2naSYQl.png
 
All of those probably function like a cheating program, inject into the game and edit a few memory addresses.
Wallhack is basically ghost city (not seeing any walls), FPS - able to use any FPS value you want, widescreen - self-explanatory.
 
Here is how these things work ingame: (except WS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgmXr1jWtR8&feature=youtu.be
 
 
We all know about F1, however the rest of those things might come as a surprise to your average player.
 
All of those things posted above were used by ON, are still used by ON and would continue to be used by ON - they were probably also given to their 'trusted' allies like Brian and phenomz. (no confirmation, I don't know about that), etcetra. -please keep in mind that the Russians never used those things and never will and I am pretty sure that they will denounce ON's actions.
 


This will be posted on multiple forums and it is up to your discretion as to what to do about them.

 


Thank you Berkley - the 'inside man' in ON - without him, this wouldn't have happened and thank you Blitz & saurabh for the video of VeilSlide and other ON members and permission to use it; and thanks to everyone that shares this post on other forums, IRC or wherever.
All personal information has been blurred, censored.
Nothing else I expected except brain donor ratings from ON pigs - have fun explaining this :)

Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Eddy on July 16, 2016, 02:31:17 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vebr1i3TWEY&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgmXr1jWtR8&feature=youtu.be


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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Jokah on July 16, 2016, 02:32:42 pm
Banned.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 16, 2016, 02:37:18 pm
So now ON members will officially get ban from EAD at least that's what i am gonna do i won't allow bunch of shithead kids using cheats ruining the game fun.



Have a nice day.  :)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: La[Z]eR on July 16, 2016, 03:06:39 pm
https://youtu.be/U1Ezw8VLEYI
This is what I had recorded few months ago.

Now I am sure they have slide hacks too.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: ferrari32 on July 16, 2016, 03:14:57 pm
Bye ON
You will be missed






N O T T T T T T T
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sahaj/Blurry on July 16, 2016, 03:22:01 pm
All those involved in this cheating scandal must be banned from all official servers and major non official servers such as European City, on top of that they should also be banned from playing any upcoming major VC:MP events such as VCDC and Vice War. These guys have ruined our game for so long. It's about time all those who've been playing this game fairly and trying to improve themselves at it as each day passes by, took a firm stand on this.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: morphine on July 16, 2016, 03:36:38 pm
To morphine: sorry for being an attention whore - and of course, you knew all about this all along.
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I don't understand how I can forgive you for being what you are.

on topic, however, this comes to me as much of a surprise as it would to anyone else, because contrary to your belief, I never gave a slightest shit about this ON faction and their activities.

if this is really true and all the above information is legitimate, then congratulations to ON I guess, they've lost all the credibility that they may have attained over the course of their existence.

oh and good job Berkley!
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: EvilSpiriT on July 16, 2016, 03:41:24 pm
cheers ON :) 8)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: KakaroT on July 16, 2016, 03:42:34 pm
Buthurtness gonna fall vu level in ...1...2...3 ALLAHUAKBAR BAN BAN BAN BOOM.  8)

if this is really true and all the above information is legitimate, then congratulations to ON I guess, they've lost all the credibility that they may have attained over the course of their existence.

oh and good job Berkley!
While none of main members/WK associated are proved to be such hack users. We still hold our credibility. Those who used hacks were banned in servers already.

moreover:
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLIKXg0U.png&hash=335f8425546a378798027a8a2a76554518b80eb5)
We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers and breaking promise of not using them in public servers. And they were warned for that.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Niko on July 16, 2016, 03:45:16 pm
Berkley promoted to full member again for this job :v
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 16, 2016, 03:45:28 pm
so you just said yourself you are a bunch of cheaters with
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We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers and breaking promise of not using them in public servers
don't shame yourself even more xDDD
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Niko on July 16, 2016, 03:54:32 pm

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We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers and breaking promise of not using them in public servers

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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sora_Blue on July 16, 2016, 03:55:08 pm
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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: KakaroT on July 16, 2016, 03:55:52 pm
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so you just said yourself you are a bunch of cheaters with
go collect some proof against our main members. not something like this.
http://ec.vcmp.co.uk/index.php?topic=101.msg1382#msg1382
https://youtu.be/pmvDmjOLIEQ
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: morphine on July 16, 2016, 03:57:23 pm
We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers and breaking promise of not using them in public servers. And they were warned for that.

you may disagree with me on the following, but the fact that you distributed hacks in any case already puts you in a very difficult position. you may not be the drug addict, but you may, in fact, be worse - the drug dealer.

once you become such a person, that is all the public will remember you for. they will not put great emphasis or interest on the fact that you may have stopped doing it at a certain point in time.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 16, 2016, 04:10:08 pm
http://xe-servers.com/index.php?topic=17801.msg130541#new
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HONEY.SINGH on July 16, 2016, 04:16:12 pm
We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers and breaking promise of not using them in public servers. And they were warned for that.

you may disagree with me on the following, but the fact that you distributed hacks in any case already puts you in a very difficult position. you may not be the drug addict, but you may, in fact, be worse - the drug dealer.

once you become such a person, that is all the public will remember you for. they will not put great emphasis or interest on the fact that you may have stopped doing it at a certain point in time.

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi65.tinypic.com%2F2mmbdd5.jpg&hash=bb9fd22fb18b20dbd0d1791bdf76ea7737f79b8e)

lol hackers Photoshot
We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers and breaking promise of not using them in public servers. And they were warned for that.

you may disagree with me on the following, but the fact that you distributed hacks in any case already puts you in a very difficult position. you may not be the drug addict, but you may, in fact, be worse - the drug dealer.

once you become such a person, that is all the public will remember you for. they will not put great emphasis or interest on the fact that you may have stopped doing it at a certain point in time.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sean on July 16, 2016, 04:20:53 pm
And this is why you should stay away from 'drugs' kids. The end. *closes book*
:)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: BliTz on July 16, 2016, 04:28:36 pm
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BANG BANG BANG MAMA
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 16, 2016, 04:33:11 pm
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so you just said yourself you are a bunch of cheaters with
go collect some proof against our main members. not something like this.
http://ec.vcmp.co.uk/index.php?topic=101.msg1382#msg1382
https://youtu.be/pmvDmjOLIEQ

"hey record our 6 second video to prove our innocence"

this doesn't prove that they aren't hackers. the video proves that they have been using hacks all the time.
https://youtu.be/U1Ezw8VLEYI
This is what I had recorded few months ago.

Now I am sure they have slide hacks too.


I'm not sure what to say anything more about it. one bad apple spoils the lot.
But, some honorable members of WK aren't hackers but i am sure that they were and are well aware of this immoral act by their members.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Gohan on July 16, 2016, 04:37:08 pm
To morphine: sorry for being an attention whore - and of course, you knew all about this all along.
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I don't understand how I can forgive you for being what you are.

on topic, however, this comes to me as much of a surprise as it would to anyone else, because contrary to your belief, I never gave a slightest shit about this ON faction and their activities.

if this is really true and all the above information is legitimate, then congratulations to ON I guess, they've lost all the credibility that they may have attained over the course of their existence.

oh and good job Berkley!
Thanks morph!  ;D

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLIKXg0U.png&hash=335f8425546a378798027a8a2a76554518b80eb5)
tactics, dude...
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: KakaroT on July 16, 2016, 04:43:34 pm
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: La[Z]eR on July 16, 2016, 04:46:38 pm
That's why Wilson always says don't play with kids..
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Dr.Shawn on July 16, 2016, 04:47:47 pm
on topic, however, this comes to me as much of a surprise as it would to anyone else
You are totally wrong, right @Wilson ?
We had some rough proof against them, but since they stopped playing at A/D we couldn't continue to gain more information.
Quote from: KakaroT
go collect some proof against our main members. not something like this
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.
its pitiful to see how the non-russian fellow trying to save WKs.

and yes
#savethechildren
Where is noori when you need him =\
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Gohan on July 16, 2016, 05:04:59 pm
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.
Well i got a proof on my mind, when I was playing with them on EAD that match: Penetrators vs VU, I was on skype with Hunting and Anonimul, both were using wall hacks, a clearly situation was on the "Haitian Drug Base".
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 16, 2016, 05:09:15 pm
Buthurtness gonna fall vu level in ...1...2...3 ALLAHUAKBAR BAN BAN BAN BOOM.  8)

if this is really true and all the above information is legitimate, then congratulations to ON I guess, they've lost all the credibility that they may have attained over the course of their existence.

oh and good job Berkley!
While none of main members/WK associated are proved to be such hack users. We still hold our credibility. Those who used hacks were banned in servers already.

moreover:
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLIKXg0U.png&hash=335f8425546a378798027a8a2a76554518b80eb5)
We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers and breaking promise of not using them in public servers. And they were warned for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA5ZwSBEFik
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 16, 2016, 05:10:02 pm
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Well i got a proof on my mind, when I was playing with them on EAD that match: Penetrators vs VU, I was on skype with Hunting and Anonimul, both were using wall hacks, a clearly situation was on the "Haitian Drug Base".

So, if we say anything you ask for proof, and if you talk, it means that your so called theories are correct, we left playing in A/D after when Wilson started kicking and setting my hp to 0 whilst in game and from that point, it was decided that we'll try not to play in A/D, and everyone knows it's a copy paste script and nothing else.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 16, 2016, 05:16:56 pm
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Well i got a proof on my mind, when I was playing with them on EAD that match: Penetrators vs VU, I was on skype with Hunting and Anonimul, both were using wall hacks, a clearly situation was on the "Haitian Drug Base".

So, if we say anything you ask for proof, and if you talk, it means that your so called theories are correct, we left playing in A/D after when Wilson started kicking and setting my hp to 0 whilst in game and from that point, it was decided that we'll try not to play in A/D, and everyone knows it's a copy paste script and nothing else.
You're always going to stay one pathetic "loser" yeah i admit it i did it actually whole server knows why i did it because i don't really like the way ON plays now some people say not all ON clan is bunch of morons using hacks what? i swore to my life i'll make your life living hell and with that i mean't i will make entire ON clan life living hell do you think i give a rat ass about you play in a/d or not? i got 5 fingers and i am giving you middle one, you sorry bastard, copy paste script yes, just like you you are also one copy-paste human.

EDIT: i still let few ON members play in EAD why? because i don't think so they use hacks or any kind of bullshit, now letting them play doesn't mean i trust them, i will never gonna trust you or your gay clan. mark this day 7/16/2016 ON clan was raped by vcmp players all of you now pregnant.


EDIT 2: i don't let you play in EAD because my friends play there and i don't want there game play ruin just because of some 6 year old vomit sucker kids.


WiLsOn out.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 16, 2016, 05:24:52 pm
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.

We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers

You're a moron.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 16, 2016, 05:25:48 pm
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EDIT: i still let few ON members play in EAD why? because i don't think so they use hacks or any kind of bullshit, now letting them play doesn't mean i trust them, i will never gonna trust you or your gay clan. mark this day 7/16/2016 ON clan was raped by vcmp players all of you now pregnant.

No one in ON is ready to accept your offer, ban anyone you want in A/D because we don't give a single fuck about A/D.
And Human doesn't do copy/paste, it's all his skills, unlike you.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 16, 2016, 05:35:58 pm
Quote
EDIT: i still let few ON members play in EAD why? because i don't think so they use hacks or any kind of bullshit, now letting them play doesn't mean i trust them, i will never gonna trust you or your gay clan. mark this day 7/16/2016 ON clan was raped by vcmp players all of you now pregnant.

No one in ON is ready to accept your offer, ban anyone you want in A/D because we don't give a single fuck about A/D.
And Human doesn't do copy/paste, it's all his skills, unlike you.
Lol i am not fucking begging to come and play in EAD you can go fuck your ON clan, and now everyone is going to fuck you one by one, have fun shithead.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 16, 2016, 05:40:39 pm
Oh well we're counting on it.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: La[Z]eR on July 16, 2016, 05:44:01 pm
countless rape.... jajajajja
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Orochi on July 16, 2016, 05:46:39 pm
Now they are going to asslick Human to war against EAD server :v
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 16, 2016, 05:48:54 pm
If human has brain and if he thinks good about his server he'll ban them as well or if he's going to invite kids for tea party then sure let them play.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HARIS/HARIS1 on July 16, 2016, 06:02:05 pm
good job Berkley

Banned all ON

HunTinG play with the hack in the game vcmp banned.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Milko on July 16, 2016, 06:05:22 pm
HARIS is one example. I wrecked the poop out of him, then he started using speed hacks. Reported - banned for only 3 days. xD
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HARIS/HARIS1 on July 16, 2016, 06:06:44 pm
HARIS is one example. I wrecked the poop out of him, then he started using speed hacks. Reported - banned for only 3 days. xD


LELE It has 1 year
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: DarKFirE on July 16, 2016, 06:28:03 pm
VC:MP is top meme
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 16, 2016, 06:31:22 pm
well, i really like see these butthurted going to all forums and post a shit lel, barkley will need to be punished lel, he used hacks in EC server, he also have proof :D
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Gohan on July 16, 2016, 06:37:08 pm
well, i really like see these butthurted going to all forums and post a shit lel, barkley will need to be punished lel, he used hacks in EC server, he also have proof :D
and you did it on lw and got banned
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Jokah on July 16, 2016, 07:12:53 pm
good news we won penetrators vs. vu yayy!! :v
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sevrin on July 16, 2016, 07:16:29 pm
If human has brain and if he thinks good about his server he'll ban them as well or if he's going to invite kids for tea party then sure let them play.
How human came in this lol?
 But really, I havent expected this fucking piece of anacondaSHIT from them. I will surely go ahead & ban them after discussing it with the other higher staff.

Also, a very great job berkley & all others involved, I know you used it in EC but all I can see is the testing & throwing the proof of these bunch of kids.

I am sure that official WK dont use it but all I see that they must fuck the one who used the shit.

Also, "I never thought they used this fucked Wall hack in penetrators vs VU.

P.s: @VU, give yourself victory in penetrators vs vu :).
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: KakaroT on July 16, 2016, 07:24:23 pm
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.

We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers

You're a moron.
How about you realizing you went full retard like krystianoo went to you? There is no proof we used hacks in servers. Sharing does mean we used hacks? lol and I already mentioned main members "first 5 members in ON list". You can't prove it.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 16, 2016, 07:24:56 pm
If human has brain and if he thinks good about his server he'll ban them as well or if he's going to invite kids for tea party then sure let them play.
How human came in this lol?

Because he owns EC?


@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.

We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers

You're a moron.
How about you realizing you went full retard like krystianoo went to you? There is no proof we used hacks in servers. Sharing does mean we used hacks? lol
How retard you can be? you tell your own clan members to use hacks? then you say we are sharing but not "using" it? your own clan leader used hack in clanwar you little piece of monkey crap.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Milko on July 16, 2016, 07:33:45 pm
I don't see the point in this drama except that some random cheaters have been exposed. Just ban them cheaters everywhere and continue enjoying the gameplay.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 16, 2016, 07:43:59 pm
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.

We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers

You're a moron.
How about you realizing you went full retard like krystianoo went to you? There is no proof we used hacks in servers. Sharing does mean we used hacks? lol and I already mentioned main members "first 5 members in ON list". You can't prove it.

Regardless of whether the clan leadership themselves can actually be proven to have used the hacks, you've already proven that this was something that was well known within the clan and to its leadership. Your clan, as an entire institution, turned a blind eye to members sharing hacks with each other until you realized that people actually use hacks and that it'd make you look bad.

You said yourself that no one bothered to crack down on it until it became apparent that they were being used in servers, and even then, no one seems to have been punished for it. The leadership of ON is just as responsible as everyone else for this.

So to reiterate, you're a moron.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Gohan on July 16, 2016, 07:53:07 pm
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.

We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers

You're a moron.
How about you realizing you went full retard like krystianoo went to you? There is no proof we used hacks in servers. Sharing does mean we used hacks? lol and I already mentioned main members "first 5 members in ON list". You can't prove it.

Regardless of whether the clan leadership themselves can actually be proven to have used the hacks, you've already proven that this was something that was well known within the clan and to its leadership. Your clan, as an entire institution, turned a blind eye to members sharing hacks with each other until you realized that people actually use hacks and that it'd make you look bad.

You said yourself that no one bothered to crack down on it until it became apparent that they were being used in servers, and even then, no one seems to have been punished for it. The leadership of ON is just as responsible as everyone else for this.

So to reiterate, you're a moron.
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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 16, 2016, 07:57:40 pm
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.

We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers

You're a moron.
How about you realizing you went full retard like krystianoo went to you? There is no proof we used hacks in servers. Sharing does mean we used hacks? lol and I already mentioned main members "first 5 members in ON list". You can't prove it.

Regardless of whether the clan leadership themselves can actually be proven to have used the hacks, you've already proven that this was something that was well known within the clan and to its leadership. Your clan, as an entire institution, turned a blind eye to members sharing hacks with each other until you realized that people actually use hacks and that it'd make you look bad.

You said yourself that no one bothered to crack down on it until it became apparent that they were being used in servers, and even then, no one seems to have been punished for it. The leadership of ON is just as responsible as everyone else for this.

So to reiterate, you're a moron.
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.makeagif.com%2Fmedia%2F2-13-2015%2FkUrJiF.gif&hash=ca019bf02aaf1e6bcead78b8df1176bf58294c37)
haha very funny, well, we all know you too have these "hacks", and remember you used in EC but i no have proofs. If that was a tactic, why you join ON? for hacks? better join VA to get hacks, you seem's to be disloyal, you was VU full, and now trainee hahahhah, i neva seen player be VU full but use VU trainee tag (I'm talking about [VU]EazY, he use everytime [VU_T]Eazy haha)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 16, 2016, 08:04:58 pm
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.

We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers

You're a moron.
How about you realizing you went full retard like krystianoo went to you? There is no proof we used hacks in servers. Sharing does mean we used hacks? lol and I already mentioned main members "first 5 members in ON list". You can't prove it.

Regardless of whether the clan leadership themselves can actually be proven to have used the hacks, you've already proven that this was something that was well known within the clan and to its leadership. Your clan, as an entire institution, turned a blind eye to members sharing hacks with each other until you realized that people actually use hacks and that it'd make you look bad.

You said yourself that no one bothered to crack down on it until it became apparent that they were being used in servers, and even then, no one seems to have been punished for it. The leadership of ON is just as responsible as everyone else for this.

So to reiterate, you're a moron.
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.makeagif.com%2Fmedia%2F2-13-2015%2FkUrJiF.gif&hash=ca019bf02aaf1e6bcead78b8df1176bf58294c37)
haha very funny, well, we all know you too have these "hacks", and remember you used in EC but i no have proofs. If that was a tactic, why you join ON? for hacks? better join VA to get hacks, you seem's to be disloyal, you was VU full, and now trainee hahahhah, i neva seen player be VU full but use VU trainee tag (I'm talking about [VU]EazY, he use everytime [VU_T]Eazy haha)
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuQgM0Fv.jpg&hash=c64981186870e24477e434efef327ce72cb8e695)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 16, 2016, 08:05:53 pm
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.

We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers

You're a moron.
How about you realizing you went full retard like krystianoo went to you? There is no proof we used hacks in servers. Sharing does mean we used hacks? lol and I already mentioned main members "first 5 members in ON list". You can't prove it.

Regardless of whether the clan leadership themselves can actually be proven to have used the hacks, you've already proven that this was something that was well known within the clan and to its leadership. Your clan, as an entire institution, turned a blind eye to members sharing hacks with each other until you realized that people actually use hacks and that it'd make you look bad.

You said yourself that no one bothered to crack down on it until it became apparent that they were being used in servers, and even then, no one seems to have been punished for it. The leadership of ON is just as responsible as everyone else for this.

So to reiterate, you're a moron.
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.makeagif.com%2Fmedia%2F2-13-2015%2FkUrJiF.gif&hash=ca019bf02aaf1e6bcead78b8df1176bf58294c37)
haha very funny, well, we all know you too have these "hacks", and remember you used in EC but i no have proofs. If that was a tactic, why you join ON? for hacks? better join VA to get hacks, you seem's to be disloyal, you was VU full, and now trainee hahahhah, i neva seen player be VU full but use VU trainee tag (I'm talking about [VU]EazY, he use everytime [VU_T]Eazy haha)
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuQgM0Fv.jpg&hash=c64981186870e24477e434efef327ce72cb8e695)
butthurt 100% confirmed

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     (https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FR64Gpgi&hash=7c6649dbb85cdbfa22bb16e65ec7b20020c04ea6)(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FcF3uOs8&hash=7857e6c082ad726e0ffb9c408180a02a80ba76d1) (https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FWRb84FG&hash=458879f004f8c1631e167f740016037bfa23ce6b) (https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2F1EJ4wZi&hash=567fef70a497ea8df677941a61ada567aaca89f9)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Gohan on July 16, 2016, 08:07:00 pm
haha very funny, well, we all know you too have these "hacks", and remember you used in EC but i no have proofs. If that was a tactic, why you join ON? for hacks? better join VA to get hacks, you seem's to be disloyal, you was VU full, and now trainee hahahhah, i neva seen player be VU full but use VU trainee tag (I'm talking about [VU]EazY, he use everytime [VU_T]Eazy haha)

Now you will ask: "Why are you reporting to your clan mates?"
      Well, I joined in this clan to get information about hacks, and they probably are hackers.
Here's the information I got and I'll leave ON in some days.
I'm not using this kind of hacks and of course I never will use it, I only joined in this clan to get properly information about this players. About this hacks and how it works.

That's all and thanks for read.
 Regards, Gohan

I'm not reporting ON Hacks today 16/07/2016, I already reported on April 03, as I said... " I only joined in this clan to get properly information about this players. About this hacks and how it works" and I forget to say to report them. See you, kisses in your ass.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 16, 2016, 08:10:49 pm
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.

We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers

You're a moron.
How about you realizing you went full retard like krystianoo went to you? There is no proof we used hacks in servers. Sharing does mean we used hacks? lol and I already mentioned main members "first 5 members in ON list". You can't prove it.

Regardless of whether the clan leadership themselves can actually be proven to have used the hacks, you've already proven that this was something that was well known within the clan and to its leadership. Your clan, as an entire institution, turned a blind eye to members sharing hacks with each other until you realized that people actually use hacks and that it'd make you look bad.

You said yourself that no one bothered to crack down on it until it became apparent that they were being used in servers, and even then, no one seems to have been punished for it. The leadership of ON is just as responsible as everyone else for this.

So to reiterate, you're a moron.
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.makeagif.com%2Fmedia%2F2-13-2015%2FkUrJiF.gif&hash=ca019bf02aaf1e6bcead78b8df1176bf58294c37)
haha very funny, well, we all know you too have these "hacks", and remember you used in EC but i no have proofs. If that was a tactic, why you join ON? for hacks? better join VA to get hacks, you seem's to be disloyal, you was VU full, and now trainee hahahhah, i neva seen player be VU full but use VU trainee tag (I'm talking about [VU]EazY, he use everytime [VU_T]Eazy haha)
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuQgM0Fv.jpg&hash=c64981186870e24477e434efef327ce72cb8e695)
butthurt 100% confirmed
At least someone feels my butt pain thanks mate you are best. <3
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sevrin on July 16, 2016, 08:23:27 pm
Might be a trailer, http://ec.vcmp.co.uk/index.php?topic=870.msg5783#new   :police:
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Dr.Shawn on July 16, 2016, 08:35:35 pm
If you didn't made the hack to use it, then was it was a secret ?
At least you could have *mentioned* that making such hacks is possible and could have helped the community .
Instead of that you made say it's ON only hack, nobody will believe that you never used the hack while you have it as a secret within the clan.
It's not a tactic that is to be a secret
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: morphine on July 16, 2016, 08:36:04 pm
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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Someone on July 16, 2016, 08:48:43 pm
I can only say, ec forum/server will have some problems these days, so guys prepare for the best  :police: :police:
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 16, 2016, 08:49:47 pm
I can only say, ec forum/server will have some problems these days, so guys prepare for the best  :police: :police:

You realize some of us on the forum can still see your IP address and real username right?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Someone on July 16, 2016, 08:53:58 pm
And? Who cares  :police: :p :police: :police:olice: :police:

Well done, you guys cand say good bye to ec(another one time) :police:
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Gohan on July 16, 2016, 08:55:17 pm
And? Who cares  :police: :p :police: :police:olice: :police:

Well done, you guys cand say good bye to ec(another one time) :police:
post this on ec forum, why here?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Deadmau5 on July 16, 2016, 09:05:45 pm
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.

We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers

You're a moron.
How about you realizing you went full retard like krystianoo went to you? There is no proof we used hacks in servers. Sharing does mean we used hacks? lol and I already mentioned main members "first 5 members in ON list". You can't prove it.

Regardless of whether the clan leadership themselves can actually be proven to have used the hacks, you've already proven that this was something that was well known within the clan and to its leadership. Your clan, as an entire institution, turned a blind eye to members sharing hacks with each other until you realized that people actually use hacks and that it'd make you look bad.

You said yourself that no one bothered to crack down on it until it became apparent that they were being used in servers, and even then, no one seems to have been punished for it. The leadership of ON is just as responsible as everyone else for this.

So to reiterate, you're a moron.
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.makeagif.com%2Fmedia%2F2-13-2015%2FkUrJiF.gif&hash=ca019bf02aaf1e6bcead78b8df1176bf58294c37)
haha very funny, well, we all know you too have these "hacks", and remember you used in EC but i no have proofs. If that was a tactic, why you join ON? for hacks? better join VA to get hacks, you seem's to be disloyal, you was VU full, and now trainee hahahhah, i neva seen player be VU full but use VU trainee tag (I'm talking about [VU]EazY, he use everytime [VU_T]Eazy haha)

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg01.mundodeportivo.com%2F2011%2F11%2F11%2FCristiano-dedica-una-peineta-a_54238771994_54115221154_600_396.jpg&hash=5be21bf89df9fdd58eb6971cf47ef02c1fb295cd)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sora_Blue on July 16, 2016, 09:12:11 pm
Well shit escalated quickly.
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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Roystang on July 16, 2016, 09:51:56 pm
So now ON members will officially get ban from EAD at least that's what i am gonna do i won't allow bunch of shithead kids using cheats ruining the game fun.




Have a nice day.  :)

Cheers
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Puma_k47 on July 16, 2016, 10:57:04 pm
And? Who cares  :police: :p :police: :police:olice: :police:

Well done, you guys cand say good bye to ec(another one time) :police:

(https://k60.kn3.net/taringa/C/1/4/0/A/5/LABRIVER/3B3.jpg)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sora_Blue on July 16, 2016, 11:42:18 pm
https://youtu.be/MoRzavlQ-eM
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 17, 2016, 12:38:56 am
haha very funny, well, we all know you too have these "hacks", and remember you used in EC but i no have proofs. If that was a tactic, why you join ON? for hacks? better join VA to get hacks, you seem's to be disloyal, you was VU full, and now trainee hahahhah, i neva seen player be VU full but use VU trainee tag (I'm talking about [VU]EazY, he use everytime [VU_T]Eazy haha)

Now you will ask: "Why are you reporting to your clan mates?"
      Well, I joined in this clan to get information about hacks, and they probably are hackers.
Here's the information I got and I'll leave ON in some days.
I'm not using this kind of hacks and of course I never will use it, I only joined in this clan to get properly information about this players. About this hacks and how it works.

That's all and thanks for read.
 Regards, Gohan

I'm not reporting ON Hacks today 16/07/2016, I already reported on April 03, as I said... " I only joined in this clan to get properly information about this players. About this hacks and how it works" and I forget to say to report them. See you, kisses in your ass.

In this case, you can prove to be a traitor to any family by joining and leaking out the information.
Secondly, Sevrin, who was himself involved in all this is acting like he didn't do anything. (I'll prove this soon with the help of evidence).
So if they distributed hacks, they did so just to clan members (not all of us, not me either) so it doesn't mean that those members who got hacks and using it all the time, you have only 1 video in which some members used it, if you're so curious to ban them, go ahead and do it, that's it, but pointing out fingers on others on the basis of logs is useless and even Kxz aka voyaflex is another person (which he proves himself) who can be a danger to any other clan's privacy, so that point behind my discussion was TRY NOT TO TRUST THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE LEAKING OUT INFORMATION FROM ALL THE CLANS AND THEY JUST JOIN CLANS TO TAKE OUT THEIR PRIVATE STUFF and after leaving that clan, they distribute the stuff outside.
And I'm sure Berkely is using VU for this too and he'll leave VU sooner or later and will leak out all the personal information of VU outside. But you cannot ban anyone without solid evidence (there isn't any evidence except 1 video).

There was a reason why we closed clan applications because we knew that people like berkely and kxz are joining clans and leaking out their information so we decided that we'll only accept invite players on our own and nothing suspicious happened after that. Even saurabh aka lazer is not to be trusted because his next target is probably VU.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Gohan on July 17, 2016, 01:16:01 am
haha very funny, well, we all know you too have these "hacks", and remember you used in EC but i no have proofs. If that was a tactic, why you join ON? for hacks? better join VA to get hacks, you seem's to be disloyal, you was VU full, and now trainee hahahhah, i neva seen player be VU full but use VU trainee tag (I'm talking about [VU]EazY, he use everytime [VU_T]Eazy haha)

Now you will ask: "Why are you reporting to your clan mates?"
      Well, I joined in this clan to get information about hacks, and they probably are hackers.
Here's the information I got and I'll leave ON in some days.
I'm not using this kind of hacks and of course I never will use it, I only joined in this clan to get properly information about this players. About this hacks and how it works.

That's all and thanks for read.
 Regards, Gohan

I'm not reporting ON Hacks today 16/07/2016, I already reported on April 03, as I said... " I only joined in this clan to get properly information about this players. About this hacks and how it works" and I forget to say to report them. See you, kisses in your ass.

In this case, you can prove to be a traitor to any family by joining and leaking out the information.
Secondly, Sevrin, who was himself involved in all this is acting like he didn't do anything. (I'll prove this soon with the help of evidence).
So if they distributed hacks, they did so just to clan members (not all of us, not me either) so it doesn't mean that those members who got hacks and using it all the time, you have only 1 video in which some members used it, if you're so curious to ban them, go ahead and do it, that's it, but pointing out fingers on others on the basis of logs is useless and even Kxz aka voyaflex is another person (which he proves himself) who can be a danger to any other clan's privacy, so that point behind my discussion was TRY NOT TO TRUST THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE LEAKING OUT INFORMATION FROM ALL THE CLANS AND THEY JUST JOIN CLANS TO TAKE OUT THEIR PRIVATE STUFF and after leaving that clan, they distribute the stuff outside.
And I'm sure Berkely is using VU for this too and he'll leave VU sooner or later and will leak out all the personal information of VU outside. But you cannot ban anyone without solid evidence (there isn't any evidence except 1 video).

There was a reason why we closed clan applications because we knew that people like berkely and kxz are joining clans and leaking out their information so we decided that we'll only accept invite players on our own and nothing suspicious happened after that. Even saurabh aka lazer is not to be trusted because his next target is probably VU.
First of all, your leader invited me to join in your clan, I didn't applied, and after some weeks since I got accepted in vu he invited me again, I'll post logs later if you want... so, fuck off and keep playing.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 17, 2016, 01:17:10 am
He invited just after you won his trust, same as VU, so we're sure that VU is your next target.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Gohan on July 17, 2016, 01:22:56 am
Of course yes, I'll show to the community how they works in team to do events like vice wars, VCDCs and other things, and their hacks too... oh sorry, they don't have... my mistake..  :-X
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sean on July 17, 2016, 02:38:41 am
lol fuck off already hackers, your lamenting isn't proving shit. cant play fair, use hacks to enhance yours skills. ggwp.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Deadmau5 on July 17, 2016, 03:13:04 am
He invited just after you won his trust, same as VU, so we're sure that VU is your next target.

Anything else to say?
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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 17, 2016, 03:18:18 am
Heh, the kids just keep on coming.

First of all, amazing work Berkley, we need more people like you in this community, people who are willing to go the extra mile to catch these cunts.

Now as for ON, it seems like your mental retardation knows no bounds. You kids are cancer to this community. Your clan has lost all credibility, so don't even bother trying to come up with excuses because  no one will believe it. Don't you understand? You guys just said you were distributing hacks, after saying that, no one will ever believe anything you  say ever again. From this day onwards: whatever you say means means ZERO, no credibility whatsoever, nada. So just accept it and stop coming up with excuses, it's useless at this point.

Simply put, the administration and management of the ON clan is incompetent because they will give hacks to their members who say it's only for testing. You say:
We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers and breaking promise of not using them in public servers. And they were warned for that.
How dumb are you? Seriously are you really that dumb? You give hacks to players and expect them not to use them in servers just because they said they wouldn't? Do you really believe/trust them not to use it? They will just tell you anything so that you give them the hacks, can't you understand that? You're an absolute moron and a gullible one. You guys say you were distributing hacks just for testing, so any member of your clan could just ask for hacks and say "Oh it's just for testing", and you would give it to them! You would actually believe them! lmao, you're so dumb it hurts. Infact I'm not even sure you will understand anything that I'm saying. And what's even funnier, is that this was exactly what happened. Berkley joined ON, asked for hacks and said it was for testing, and you believed him rofl. That's how you got caught, good god you guys are thick as shit. And just like that you started spreading this disease through VC:MP, just like that, so easily accessible.

"Hey want to get some hacks? Sure, just join ON and tell them that you needs hacks to test, if you say it's for testing only, they will believe you and will give it to you" as simple as that....

All of your clan deserves to be banned from all the servers, even the ones that didnt use the hacks. Why? Because ON's clan leaders will give hacks to their members if they say it's just for testing. So you're distributing hacks. As far as we know, this could happen again if more of your members ask for hacks and say its only for testing. If you're having trouble understanding why all ON should be banned, let me try to use morphine's analogy to make you understand it better:

Imagine the police finds out that a criminal organization has been distributing drugs. But this organization doesn't use the drugs, they just distribute it. Will the police arrest only the drug users? Or will they arrest the criminal organization aswell? They will arrest both because the damages that the drugs caused is the responsibility of this organization.

If you still didn't understand that analogy, I'll make it even simpler for you, in that story the criminal organization would be ON and the drug users would be the players that got these hacks, the police would be the servers owners.


Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Eddy on July 17, 2016, 03:50:53 am
All of your clan deserves to be banned from all the servers, even the ones that didnt use the hacks.
I do not agree with that but I found someone who likes to give permanent ban, I'm pretty sure there's some of them that didn't use any kid of hacks, new members for example but wilson killed it :'(

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid c90a4168a10fed05510ceab61f06637a9af6efe3 [ON]HunTinG 0 Kids not allowed here
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]HunTinG Reason Kids not allowed here Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid 53c239739115e7df584b1698341335e891c5a98a [ON]KakaroT 0 Kids not allowed here
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]KakaroT Reason Kids not allowed here Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid  c3dd4187fcfd1c5ba48035b6dc7bf137c62b2d83 [ON]KxZ. 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]KxZ. Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid  51a7de454bd394a585e9257efc88c81160630a74 [ON]Wishwanath 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]Wishwanath Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid 863dccb49aa0902464c8b26dcf2bae1defcc8588 [ON]DeZ 0  kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]DeZ Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid a3ef2abb21621f3d4070bc651dcccb5fcdb206b3 ANONlMUL 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned ANONlMUL Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid 694b225561d47b60d5c6985ceb3f152a7e456fcb [ON]Garjoka 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]Garjoka Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<%Blitz> I asked wishwa to connect
<&Defend> Kicking [ON]Wishwanath. Reason: Perma-Ban
<~WiLs0n`> XDDDDDDDDD
<%Blitz> Yes
<%Blitz> Poor he

<&AttDef> Kicking:[ [ON]Garjoka ] Reason:[ Perma-Ban ]
<&AttDef> [ON]Garjoka left the server ( Kicked )

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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 17, 2016, 04:42:23 am
All of your clan deserves to be banned from all the servers, even the ones that didnt use the hacks.
I do not agree with that but I found someone who likes to give permanent ban, I'm pretty sure there's some of them that didn't use any kid of hacks, new members for example but wilson killed it :'(
No, wilson is doing the right thing. The reasoning is very simple. The ON members that didn't use the hacks are not being banned for using hacks, they are being banned for distributing them, and for being associated with the clan that did it. It was an irresponsible action from their clan because they gave hacks to their members without thinking that they might use it on public servers, this means that they released this "virus" to the community, this is all their responsibility.

To the new ON members that have joined the clan, it's not their fault obviously, but no player using the ON tag will ever be trusted ever again. Why? Because their leaders give them hacks if they say it's only for testing. So I don't know what server is stupid enough to trust members from a clan where the leaders give hacks to their members.

Try to see it from this point of view: Imagine that I started making hacks and distributed them to my clan members, and  then imagine that the whole community found out about this. What should the server owners do at this point? If they know that I distribute hacks inside my clan, they should ban my clan because the leader is distributing hacks to his members. And then today a new member joined my clan that does not know about this. If he joins a server, the server owner will see that he is from my clan and they know the clan leader is distributing hacks to his members, so the server onwer will ban this player, because the clan that he's in cannot be trusted and he has no way of knowing who inside the clan is using cheats or not.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: La[Z]eR on July 17, 2016, 04:51:25 am
Even saurabh aka lazer is not to be trusted because his next target is probably VU.
Why are you dragging me into this? Cuz i just reported against your poor clan? You are saying as if I joined ON and betrayed YOU.
I just posted my evidence and my work is done.
And When are you going to leave vcmp?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 17, 2016, 05:09:08 am
Try to ban those who were caught red handed, not us. If a clan member gets banned for using hacks, it doesn't mean that they should ban the whole clan.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sean on July 17, 2016, 05:36:39 am

Imagine the police finds out that a criminal organization has been distributing drugs. But this organization doesn't use the drugs, they just distribute it. Will the police arrest only the drug users? Or will they arrest the criminal organization aswell? They will arrest both because the damages that the drugs caused is the responsibility of this organization.

If you still didn't understand that analogy, I'll make it even simpler for you, in that story the criminal organization would be ON and the drug users would be the players that got these hacks, the police would be the servers owners.
This answers your useless argument, Kamran. Cheers.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Gohan on July 17, 2016, 05:43:30 am

First of all, amazing work Berkley, we need more people like you in this community, people who are willing to go the extra mile to catch these cunts.
Thanks man, I appreciate it. And thanks for that comment you made  :)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Jokah on July 17, 2016, 05:53:20 am
Human has nothing to with these matters :v he just scripts, why blaming the poor guy
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: noori on July 17, 2016, 06:39:12 am
I vote for ban for all on members or atleast the one's involved from all Vcmp community every server and every event Because they are the cancer of vcmp community , They spoil the new players  and they promote unfair game play , As a result the new players evolve into clever cheaters rather then good player.VC:MP community is on the verge of  its destruction.
#SAVETHECHILDREN
#BANTHECHILDREN

[ON]Widescreen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek5tPm_QiPI

[ON]Evade in the recent Vice War.
https://youtu.be/PoJdbjMFioU


Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 17, 2016, 06:56:02 am
Well, there isn't any rule for distribution of hacks lol.
There isn't any rule to pollute community with drugs so calm your vagina women.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 17, 2016, 07:45:11 am
Well, there isn't any rule for distribution of hacks lol.
There isn't any rule to pollute community with drugs so calm your vagina women.
It's common sense, it doesn't even need to be said. Anyone with half a brain understands that distributing hacks will get you banned. If you can't even understand that: sharing hacks = bad, then you're even dumber than I tought.

So now we know that ON's clan leaders share hacks with their members. So why should their members not be banned aswell from the servers? You guys know that they're sharing hacks inside their clan, they said it themselves, and you still want to allow their members to play on your servers? Logic, please...
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 17, 2016, 07:53:30 am
No one is begging to play in your copy/paste servers at all.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 17, 2016, 08:06:29 am
No one is begging to play in your copy/paste servers at all.
I don't have any servers like that, but even if I did, I would be very glad to see you gone from it or from any server in general really.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sevrin on July 17, 2016, 08:21:48 am
@Kamran, really? If the fuck I was aware that hunting is using wall hacks in penetrators vs VU, I must have clsed the match & would have told to wilson, no matter what but you can ask wilson when hunting got banned for ruining the environment of a/d & who reported.

Now, how dumb you are, cant you see distributing hacks or using hacks is equal. Dude, your own leaders admitted it, right? And fucked the whole community with hacks. All I can do is banning you from EC, th reason is clear that you ruined the game stuff & environment by fucking those hacks to your own members. And really you are saying gohana leaked out private info lol. Who says its private, its fucking illegal & cancer to whole vcmp community. I give huge credit to berkley & others involved in this for bringing the real faces of ON clan to us.

The real thing is, you fucked up the whole community by giving hacks to your own members & really, who knows you are using them right now. Saying who wants to play in copy paste servers, just wait & watch what happens next.

And stop being acting fucking retard & retarded dumb, you should have left ON after all this shit done.

Whatever the yiu think about me but I am sure now what whole vcmp community thinks about ON. And please if I know that in that penetrators vs VU match, those dumbs using it, I would never played with them.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 17, 2016, 08:45:52 am
@Kamran, really? If the fuck I was aware that hunting is using wall hacks in penetrators vs VU, I must have clsed the match & would have told to wilson, no matter what but you can ask wilson when hunting got banned for ruining the environment of a/d & who reported.

Now, how dumb you are, cant you see distributing hacks or using hacks is equal. Dude, your own leaders admitted it, right? And fucked the whole community with hacks. All I can do is banning you from EC, th reason is clear that you ruined the game stuff & environment by fucking those hacks to your own members. And really you are saying gohana leaked out private info lol. Who says its private, its fucking illegal & cancer to whole vcmp community. I give huge credit to berkley & others involved in this for bringing the real faces of ON clan to us.

The real thing is, you fucked up the whole community by giving hacks to your own members & really, who knows you are using them right now. Saying who wants to play in copy paste servers, just wait & watch what happens next.

And stop being acting fucking retard & retarded dumb, you should have left ON after all this shit done.

Whatever the yiu think about me but I am sure now what whole vcmp community thinks about ON. And please if I know that in that penetrators vs VU match, those dumbs using it, I would never played with them.
asslicking all of us to be in this "photosession" and after beign he don't have nothing to do with us lol

You didn't was invited for this, you auto-invited your self

Who the fuck cares about VU - penetrators lol
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 17, 2016, 08:49:05 am
Heh, the kids just keep on coming.

First of all, amazing work Berkley, we need more people like you in this community, people who are willing to go the extra mile to catch these cunts.

Now as for ON, it seems like your mental retardation knows no bounds. You kids are cancer to this community. Your clan has lost all credibility, so don't even bother trying to come up with excuses because  no one will believe it. Don't you understand? You guys just said you were distributing hacks, after saying that, no one will ever believe anything you  say ever again. From this day onwards: whatever you say means means ZERO, no credibility whatsoever, nada. So just accept it and stop coming up with excuses, it's useless at this point.

Simply put, the administration and management of the ON clan is incompetent because they will give hacks to their members who say it's only for testing. You say:
We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers and breaking promise of not using them in public servers. And they were warned for that.
How dumb are you? Seriously are you really that dumb? You give hacks to players and expect them not to use them in servers just because they said they wouldn't? Do you really believe/trust them not to use it? They will just tell you anything so that you give them the hacks, can't you understand that? You're an absolute moron and a gullible one. You guys say you were distributing hacks just for testing, so any member of your clan could just ask for hacks and say "Oh it's just for testing", and you would give it to them! You would actually believe them! lmao, you're so dumb it hurts. Infact I'm not even sure you will understand anything that I'm saying. And what's even funnier, is that this was exactly what happened. Berkley joined ON, asked for hacks and said it was for testing, and you believed him rofl. That's how you got caught, good god you guys are thick as shit. And just like that you started spreading this disease through VC:MP, just like that, so easily accessible.

"Hey want to get some hacks? Sure, just join ON and tell them that you needs hacks to test, if you say it's for testing only, they will believe you and will give it to you" as simple as that....

All of your clan deserves to be banned from all the servers, even the ones that didnt use the hacks. Why? Because ON's clan leaders will give hacks to their members if they say it's just for testing. So you're distributing hacks. As far as we know, this could happen again if more of your members ask for hacks and say its only for testing. If you're having trouble understanding why all ON should be banned, let me try to use morphine's analogy to make you understand it better:

Imagine the police finds out that a criminal organization has been distributing drugs. But this organization doesn't use the drugs, they just distribute it. Will the police arrest only the drug users? Or will they arrest the criminal organization aswell? They will arrest both because the damages that the drugs caused is the responsibility of this organization.

If you still didn't understand that analogy, I'll make it even simpler for you, in that story the criminal organization would be ON and the drug users would be the players that got these hacks, the police would be the servers owners.




the WK also include some members of TRC too.

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=TRC=*cough* mor *cough* phine *cough

- Hacks must be used seldom only for Educational purposes
just kidding...

now the real part of this post is:
@Thomas, There is still no proof against our main members. The main post doesn't prove anything itself lol.

We stopped giving hacks to members after they started using in servers

You're a moron.
'Stopped", which depicits that ON management was involved in this bullshit for sometime, as ON is also a part of Wk, this means that the other clans of Wk are also probably infected with this plague.

edit: Innocent players must not be banned because of their fellow members negligence.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Dr.Shawn on July 17, 2016, 08:50:56 am
*Sits back and waits for WK vs ON*
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 17, 2016, 09:03:02 am
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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Noname on July 17, 2016, 09:04:12 am
 [TDH]Tom slaps morphine around a bit with a large trout
<[TDH]Tom>: Зря ты раскритиковал Какрота публично
<[TDH]Tom>: В таких ситуациях надо занимать ту сторону, которую считаешь своей, даже если она не самая лучшая
<[TDH]Tom>: Потому что твой пост выражает солидарность с нашими противниками

which means:
<[TDH]Tom>: you should not have publicly criticized Kakarot
<[TDH]Tom>: In situations like this, you have to hold the other side, which is his side - even if it is not the best
 <[TDH]Tom>: Because your post expresses solidarity with our enemies


Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 17, 2016, 09:04:52 am
@Strykerz
http://ec.vcmp.co.uk/index.php?topic=870.msg5785#new
http://ctf.vc-mp.net/index.php?topic=533.msg3093#new
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<~WiLs0n`> !banuid c90a4168a10fed05510ceab61f06637a9af6efe3 [ON]HunTinG 0 Kids not allowed here
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]HunTinG Reason Kids not allowed here Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid 53c239739115e7df584b1698341335e891c5a98a [ON]KakaroT 0 Kids not allowed here
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]KakaroT Reason Kids not allowed here Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid  c3dd4187fcfd1c5ba48035b6dc7bf137c62b2d83 [ON]KxZ. 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]KxZ. Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid  51a7de454bd394a585e9257efc88c81160630a74 [ON]Wishwanath 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]Wishwanath Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid 863dccb49aa0902464c8b26dcf2bae1defcc8588 [ON]DeZ 0  kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]DeZ Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid a3ef2abb21621f3d4070bc651dcccb5fcdb206b3 ANONlMUL 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned ANONlMUL Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid 694b225561d47b60d5c6985ceb3f152a7e456fcb [ON]Garjoka 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]Garjoka Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent
'butthurt'
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: La[Z]eR on July 17, 2016, 09:16:07 am
Kakrot leaving vcmp after getting banned from servers.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 17, 2016, 09:39:09 am
@Strykerz
http://ec.vcmp.co.uk/index.php?topic=870.msg5785#new
http://ctf.vc-mp.net/index.php?topic=533.msg3093#new
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<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]HunTinG Reason Kids not allowed here Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid 53c239739115e7df584b1698341335e891c5a98a [ON]KakaroT 0 Kids not allowed here
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]KakaroT Reason Kids not allowed here Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid  c3dd4187fcfd1c5ba48035b6dc7bf137c62b2d83 [ON]KxZ. 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]KxZ. Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

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<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]Wishwanath Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid 863dccb49aa0902464c8b26dcf2bae1defcc8588 [ON]DeZ 0  kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]DeZ Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid a3ef2abb21621f3d4070bc651dcccb5fcdb206b3 ANONlMUL 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned ANONlMUL Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid 694b225561d47b60d5c6985ceb3f152a7e456fcb [ON]Garjoka 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]Garjoka Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent
'butthurt'

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About VA clan, why they didn't banned perma on all servers? they gives hacks to they member's
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 17, 2016, 10:19:05 am
@Strykerz
http://ec.vcmp.co.uk/index.php?topic=870.msg5785#new
http://ctf.vc-mp.net/index.php?topic=533.msg3093#new
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<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]HunTinG Reason Kids not allowed here Duration: Permanent

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<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]KakaroT Reason Kids not allowed here Duration: Permanent

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<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]KxZ. Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

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<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]Wishwanath Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid 863dccb49aa0902464c8b26dcf2bae1defcc8588 [ON]DeZ 0  kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]DeZ Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid a3ef2abb21621f3d4070bc651dcccb5fcdb206b3 ANONlMUL 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned ANONlMUL Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid 694b225561d47b60d5c6985ceb3f152a7e456fcb [ON]Garjoka 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]Garjoka Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent
'butthurt'


About VA clan, why they didn't banned perma on all servers? they gives hacks to they member's

cuz

n(ON) > n(VA)

i hope you get it if you are literate.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: aXXo on July 17, 2016, 11:09:39 am
April 07, 2016
Gohan applied to re-join VU.

April 11, 2016
Gohan contacted some VUs privately and disclosed about ON using hacks. Despite that, he was denied.

May 09, 2016
Gohan was accepted in VU, after re-applying.
He posted all his findings(proof, evidence) of ON using hacks on our private boards.

May 28, 2016
Me, Shawn and Wilson decided to gather better proof to catch the cheaters.
A script is introduced in EAD server which informs Managers+ whenever the F1 or the U key is pressed in the server. The scripts make sure that the person is not typing in the chatbox, because that would produce a lot of false alerts for the 'U' key.
This detection method is not very reliable. Because, maybe the F1 key is being used for some other purpose(Fraps record key, Teamspeak PTT, Mute, some keybind or whatever). The 'U' key itself would alert if being pressed in Steam chat layout while playing. But it is something, that might be useful. Maybe someone pressed it by error(a nab reaching for Esc)
We believed that this needs to be kept a secret, since players could modify the F1 source and rebind it to some other key to render our efforts useless. So, only me, Wilson, Shawn, hotdogcat and Stormeus are aware until then.

May 28, 2016
[ON]Stealth^ is the first F1 suspect, caught minutes after the script was introduced. He pretty much used F1 right before storming inside the a base and pressed it again(toggle off) after killing someone.
The second suspect was TRC.Pettan. He was cornered 2v1 by enemies. He toggled F1 and ran into cover. After reaching a safe spot, he pressed it again.
The next suspect we caught was Karan.exe. He used F1 before getting in almost every fight. We lost track of how many times he used F1(too many to count). Since he was also far more active than most of other suspects, he has been caught multiple times.
Then, Gohan himself was a suspect and he spammed the U key several times. The ghost city is a serious advantage in A/D, so this is something to be discussed later.

May 29, 2016
More suspects: UF Chernobyl, RK Blitz, and ON Kxz. I don't remember their exact situation and number of times they pressed the key. But their names showed up.

June 10, 2016
I implement the keypress scripts in an Indian server hosted by me. The only suspects I caught there was ImKiki and Karan several times.

June 01, 2016
I realized that this method required Me, Wilson, Shawn, hotdogcat to be present ingame to watch the logs. So, I modified the scripts to write a log file when a player quits the server. It mentioned how many times the player has used the F1/U key while he was ingame. Wilson or Shawn will be posting the logs for everyone to see.

June 02, 2016
I contacted Human, Aaron, Dronz(inactive) to implement the same script in EC. Human replied that he will, but I never tried contacting him later, so I dunno. I urged him to keep it a secret from the rest of the staff, he promised that he will.

June 07, 2016
[OFF]Tom suggests EC to put a dark image on the screen whenever a player presses F1. Human implements that script. If anyone can contact Human to see if he collected any evidence during June 2, to June 7 please ask him to post here.

June 26, 2016
We kept collecting logs, but most of them are small fish suspects. The EAD server is a casual game mode. People dont play there with serious competitive mood to use cheats. So we figured, more cheaters will be caught later(In EAD League, clan wars ot Vice War). So, we kept it a secret.
I implement the same script in Argonath RPG.

Since I only have direct access to Argonath. I'll post the logs for Argonath.
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26/06/2016 [11:13] fr0st used the F1 key 1 times.
26/06/2016 [13:33] rikka used the F1 key 2 times.
26/06/2016 [22:37] Ahmed_Sherif used the F1 key 1 times.
27/06/2016 [15:13] cfgfdghrewe used the F1 key 1 times.
27/06/2016 [19:23] kingmido used the F1 key 1 times.
28/06/2016 [00:49] Pitterxd007 used the F1 key 1 times.
28/06/2016 [06:15] prasad123 used the F1 key 1 times.
28/06/2016 [08:32] MaxXxeD used the F1 key 1 times.
28/06/2016 [10:01] ThanhDang used the F1 key 2 times.
28/06/2016 [11:38] Ramo_Hawk used the F1 key 1 times.
28/06/2016 [14:04] Suraj used the F1 key 1 times.
28/06/2016 [14:46] Emre. used the F1 key 1 times.
28/06/2016 [15:39] Guest12 used the F1 key 1 times.
28/06/2016 [16:02] Guest10 used the F1 key 1 times.
28/06/2016 [16:09] ghiless0_02_to used the F1 key 2 times.
28/06/2016 [16:38] fdtrrttrehcf used the F1 key 1 times.
28/06/2016 [18:11] zoro99 used the F1 key 2 times.
29/06/2016 [01:39] kingmido used the F1 key 3 times.
29/06/2016 [01:39] zoro99 used the F1 key 1 times.
29/06/2016 [11:27] [NAR]Tibix used the F1 key 1 times.
29/06/2016 [14:39] Liu7k3 used the F1 key 1 times.
29/06/2016 [14:52] Hamza used the F1 key 6 times.
29/06/2016 [17:37] [NAR]Tibix used the F1 key 1 times.
29/06/2016 [19:17] GusTavo8877 used the F1 key 6 times.
30/06/2016 [08:07] ___ReflexPlay___ used the F1 key 1 times.
30/06/2016 [10:35] XkillerX used the F1 key 1 times.
30/06/2016 [12:04] ELDES used the F1 key 1 times.
30/06/2016 [13:04] Aerox used the F1 key 1 times.
30/06/2016 [13:05] rikka used the F1 key 2 times.
30/06/2016 [13:06] RenoKocka used the F1 key 2 times.
01/07/2016 [09:11] kHOA used the F1 key 4 times.
01/07/2016 [09:59] Tatar used the F1 key 1 times.
01/07/2016 [10:19] Fuzzie used the F1 key 25 times.
01/07/2016 [11:52] Vercitti used the F1 key 1 times.
01/07/2016 [11:54] 3bdoRo7aeM used the F1 key 1 times.
01/07/2016 [12:05] 3bdoRo7aeM used the F1 key 1 times.
01/07/2016 [12:26] HungPrisoner used the F1 key 1 times.
01/07/2016 [13:18] KolotilovAlex used the F1 key 1 times.
01/07/2016 [13:42] Guest13 used the F1 key 1 times.
01/07/2016 [14:53] Henty_Letham used the F1 key 1 times.
01/07/2016 [19:55] iheb used the F1 key 1 times.
01/07/2016 [21:31] moh used the F1 key 3 times.
01/07/2016 [22:23] Doidao used the F1 key 8 times.
02/07/2016 [06:39] [CFr]OptimusPrime used the F1 key 3 times.
02/07/2016 [08:31] ramp255 used the F1 key 1 times.
02/07/2016 [08:43] Julio_Mendez used the F1 key 1 times.
02/07/2016 [09:45] [RRZ]_Genius used the F1 key 1 times.
02/07/2016 [09:55] [RRZ]_Genius used the F1 key 1 times.
02/07/2016 [11:01] XkillerX used the F1 key 1 times.
02/07/2016 [11:59] AussieAidan used the F1 key 1 times.
02/07/2016 [13:40] saidani used the F1 key 1 times.
02/07/2016 [15:02] NerovasLP used the F1 key 1 times.
02/07/2016 [17:10] ghiless0_02_to used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [06:12] ghostface used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [07:36] KINGLOUY used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [09:05] Suraj used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [11:01] outatime751 used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [11:41] ASDADSDADADA used the F1 key 4 times.
03/07/2016 [11:47] =TRC=Elpyro used the F1 key 2 times.
03/07/2016 [11:51] Guest14 used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [12:38] =TRC=morphine used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [13:51] =TRC=Elpyro used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [14:08] SwarbroS used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [16:17] Budwajser used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [17:57] Guest3 used the F1 key 5 times.
03/07/2016 [17:58] XyZ used the F1 key 5 times.
03/07/2016 [18:12] XyZ used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [19:16] _AuT_NerovasLP used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [21:02] JuanDRZ used the F1 key 1 times.
03/07/2016 [22:08] [CFr]OptimusPrime used the F1 key 1 times.
04/07/2016 [03:00] Guest4 used the F1 key 2 times.
04/07/2016 [03:04] afk used the F1 key 2 times.
04/07/2016 [06:21] bilal used the F1 key 1 times.
04/07/2016 [10:43] [NAR]Tibix used the F1 key 1 times.
04/07/2016 [12:16] Umayir used the F1 key 1 times.
04/07/2016 [14:42] miesliasjkjhhj used the F1 key 1 times.
04/07/2016 [18:27] =TRC=Elpyro used the F1 key 1 times.
05/07/2016 [08:02] [BC]guoye used the F1 key 1 times.
05/07/2016 [08:19] Enicboy used the F1 key 1 times.
05/07/2016 [09:21] ILucian used the F1 key 2 times.
05/07/2016 [10:56] Cethre_Peo used the F1 key 1 times.
05/07/2016 [14:59] Teatreegaming used the F1 key 1 times.
05/07/2016 [16:47] Timmy_Vermicelli used the F1 key 1 times.
05/07/2016 [18:18] sfd used the F1 key 1 times.
05/07/2016 [18:38] Guest4 used the F1 key 1 times.
05/07/2016 [18:39] LucianRo3 used the F1 key 1 times.
06/07/2016 [03:53] elimerValdez used the F1 key 5 times.
06/07/2016 [13:04] Thomas_Leone used the F1 key 5 times.
06/07/2016 [13:37] ADGT used the F1 key 1 times.
06/07/2016 [20:54] Guest2 used the F1 key 1 times.
06/07/2016 [20:56] =TRC=morphine used the F1 key 1 times.
07/07/2016 [08:36] [NAR]Tibix used the F1 key 1 times.
07/07/2016 [18:17] =TRC=Tarkan used the F1 key 1 times.
07/07/2016 [23:58] Lupite_ used the F1 key 1 times.
08/07/2016 [06:06] xiao_tian2333 used the F1 key 3 times.
08/07/2016 [08:26] dreamer used the F1 key 1 times.
08/07/2016 [14:27] Myers used the F1 key 1 times.
08/07/2016 [14:44] =TRC=Tarkan used the F1 key 1 times.
08/07/2016 [15:18] Guest22 used the F1 key 1 times.
08/07/2016 [17:59] Guest3 used the F1 key 1 times.
08/07/2016 [18:59] =TRC=Tarkan used the F1 key 1 times.
08/07/2016 [19:44] augustas12 used the F1 key 1 times.
09/07/2016 [12:44] [NAR]Tibix used the F1 key 1 times.
09/07/2016 [15:00] [RRZ]Zeyad_Ahmed used the F1 key 2 times.
09/07/2016 [15:54] Alf2595 used the F1 key 1 times.
09/07/2016 [16:13] [NAR]Klaus used the F1 key 1 times.
09/07/2016 [16:17] ali550 used the F1 key 2 times.
09/07/2016 [17:41] [NAR]Tibix used the F1 key 1 times.
09/07/2016 [19:30] Tester_111 used the F1 key 1 times.
09/07/2016 [21:22] Serban. used the F1 key 1 times.
09/07/2016 [23:17] [FAIL]TheAnonimusPC used the F1 key 2 times.
10/07/2016 [00:11] DonOmar used the F1 key 2 times.
10/07/2016 [15:52] Ra used the F1 key 2 times.
10/07/2016 [16:35] [NAR]Tibix used the F1 key 1 times.
10/07/2016 [18:30] Abdul used the F1 key 2 times.
10/07/2016 [19:18] xSlayer used the F1 key 1 times.
10/07/2016 [19:32] AussieAidan used the F1 key 15 times.
10/07/2016 [20:41] marioloquendo used the F1 key 4 times.
10/07/2016 [22:59] 1st used the F1 key 1 times.
11/07/2016 [06:52] =CFr=PaiN used the F1 key 1 times.
11/07/2016 [08:29] Tec_Chaos used the F1 key 1 times.
11/07/2016 [11:28] Elydia used the F1 key 2 times.
11/07/2016 [11:43] xSlayer used the F1 key 3 times.
11/07/2016 [13:19] xSlayer used the F1 key 3 times.
11/07/2016 [14:16] Julio_Mendez used the F1 key 1 times.
11/07/2016 [14:27] miesliasjkjhhj used the F1 key 11 times.
11/07/2016 [14:44] ElPatron used the F1 key 2 times.
11/07/2016 [15:11] [EAF]Han used the F1 key 25 times.
11/07/2016 [16:56] Rony_Singh used the F1 key 1 times.
12/07/2016 [02:03] miesliasjkjhhj used the F1 key 1 times.
12/07/2016 [08:02] xiao_tians used the F1 key 1 times.
12/07/2016 [08:38] Vermox used the F1 key 1 times.
12/07/2016 [11:15] GTA.. used the F1 key 2 times.
12/07/2016 [11:36] [NAR]Emerald used the F1 key 1 times.
12/07/2016 [11:40] FeronJkee used the F1 key 2 times.
12/07/2016 [13:27] Julio_Mendez used the F1 key 1 times.
12/07/2016 [16:30] William used the F1 key 2 times.
12/07/2016 [16:32] itya used the F1 key 1 times.
12/07/2016 [16:38] Sayan_Bis_2 used the F1 key 1 times.
12/07/2016 [18:16] Bence123 used the F1 key 2 times.
12/07/2016 [19:59] redpokemonloquendo used the F1 key 2 times.
12/07/2016 [22:55] Dennis_Soprano used the F1 key 1 times.
13/07/2016 [02:52] Vinod123 used the F1 key 1 times.
13/07/2016 [06:22] xuzimo used the F1 key 2 times.
13/07/2016 [08:09] [RK]BloodLin[E] used the F1 key 1 times.
13/07/2016 [09:00] [DU]Orochi used the F1 key 1 times.
13/07/2016 [09:43] Bence123 used the F1 key 1 times.
13/07/2016 [10:05] Aerox_Khan used the F1 key 1 times.
13/07/2016 [10:19] [RK]BloodLin[E] used the F1 key 1 times.
13/07/2016 [12:17] Bence123 used the F1 key 1 times.
13/07/2016 [14:01] Fuzzie used the F1 key 1 times.
13/07/2016 [14:46] Bence123 used the F1 key 1 times.
13/07/2016 [16:30] undertaker used the F1 key 1 times.
13/07/2016 [20:57] Guest3 used the F1 key 1 times.
13/07/2016 [20:58] Guest3 used the F1 key 2 times.
14/07/2016 [09:57] dimon used the F1 key 1 times.
14/07/2016 [10:59] Hassan1 used the F1 key 1 times.
14/07/2016 [13:57] Avaek used the F1 key 1 times.
14/07/2016 [14:16] ruapof0fffcial used the F1 key 7 times.
14/07/2016 [15:37] deadlord used the F1 key 1 times.
14/07/2016 [16:59] rami used the F1 key 5 times.
14/07/2016 [16:59] gmarte used the F1 key 1 times.
14/07/2016 [21:49] =TRC=morphine used the F1 key 1 times.
14/07/2016 [23:46] MooiONinja used the F1 key 1 times.
15/07/2016 [00:14] fo2sh used the F1 key 2 times.
15/07/2016 [00:14] fo2sh used the F1 key 2 times.
15/07/2016 [01:46] zhutian used the F1 key 3 times.
15/07/2016 [06:54] MINH used the F1 key 1 times.
15/07/2016 [08:07] JAVED used the F1 key 2 times.
15/07/2016 [08:12] [RK]BloodLin[E] used the F1 key 1 times.
15/07/2016 [12:32] Kevin2000 used the F1 key 2 times.
15/07/2016 [14:28] CHAMP used the F1 key 1 times.
15/07/2016 [14:41] Olti_Soprano used the F1 key 2 times.
15/07/2016 [15:47] Petarda used the F1 key 7 times.
15/07/2016 [16:50] =ULK=Sora_Blue used the F1 key 1 times.
15/07/2016 [17:30] Vermox used the F1 key 1 times.
15/07/2016 [22:12] __aa5__kill used the F1 key 4 times.
16/07/2016 [01:03] Petarda used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [01:38] KmargoBR used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [03:30] Gunvolt used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [04:00] aasd used the F1 key 3 times.
16/07/2016 [04:03] aasd used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [05:54] yehia used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [06:47] alibebec used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [07:37] yehia used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [11:51] zhouhouchen used the F1 key 2 times.
16/07/2016 [12:37] biwnag used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [13:34] Carlito used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [15:15] yehia used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [15:47] CHAMP used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [16:40] Guest11 used the F1 key 3 times.
16/07/2016 [16:51] moh used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [20:27] [R*]Julio used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [21:02] TheJunLooYt used the F1 key 1 times.
16/07/2016 [23:38] Guest6 used the F1 key 1 times.
17/07/2016 [07:55] !_^^_**l used the F1 key 1 times.
17/07/2016 [08:27] Fuzzie used the F1 key 2 times.
17/07/2016 [09:24] Guest2 used the F1 key 1 times.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 17, 2016, 11:14:23 am
in theory it is impossible to rebind the F1 key to another key because you don't have the source code for vcmphack.asi and you can't decompile it either or whatever

dunno why arent there any mentions of me there, i use f1 a lot of times there O0
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: BliTz on July 17, 2016, 11:16:08 am
LOL
I used f1 for fraps  :(

and also my laptop's  volume key
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 17, 2016, 11:20:07 am
How are you blaming me without evidence lol?
First sevrin asslicked to come in WK
Then to gain respect in community, you turned against to us, we spit on such respect you're earning. Live in the breasts of your step mother and never come out.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: MD619 on July 17, 2016, 11:37:43 am
WOOOAAAH HAPPY MORE THAN I GET MONEY IN EID OR AT MY BIRTHDAY WOWOWOWOOW
KRYSTIANO GOHAN SAURABH BLITZ BEST BEST BESTAM BEST HHHHHHHHHH .



                                                                Owned
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 17, 2016, 11:45:18 am
WOOOAAAH HAPPY MORE THAN I GET MONEY IN EID OR AT MY BIRTHDAY WOWOWOWOOW
KRYSTIANO GOHAN SAURABH BLITZ BEST BEST BESTAM BEST HHHHHHHHHH .



                                                                Owned
you wot m8?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: MD619 on July 17, 2016, 11:54:37 am
WOOOAAAH HAPPY MORE THAN I GET MONEY IN EID OR AT MY BIRTHDAY WOWOWOWOOW
KRYSTIANO GOHAN SAURABH BLITZ BEST BEST BESTAM BEST HHHHHHHHHH .



                                                                Owned
you wot m8?
Just kidding
Chilling
Enjoying
Nothing special :))))))))
Just chill chill just chill chill :)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sevrin on July 17, 2016, 12:23:42 pm
How are you blaming me without evidence lol?
First sevrin asslicked to come in WK
Then to gain respect in community, you turned against to us, we spit on such respect you're earning. Live in the breasts of your step mother and never come out.
Fuck off, when I asslicked to come in WK you prick & do your shitty words somewhere else you dumb. Who cares for you dumb kid who still needs fucking evidence that your teammates didnt used or distributed. Your damn leader is saying himself, so gtfo.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HONEY.SINGH on July 17, 2016, 12:43:54 pm
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi67.tinypic.com%2Fbzfyp.jpg&hash=2d000b0fa0a7bac5f80115684de4af828f06f59d)

banned Servin  the PIGGY PIGO TO FOR SUPPORT WK MEMBERS  O0
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sean on July 17, 2016, 12:48:25 pm
First sevrin asslicked to come in WK
Talking about asslick eh?


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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 17, 2016, 01:33:22 pm
Why cernobyl didn't get permaban? he also was caughted using f1, and he give it to awaix
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sora_Blue on July 17, 2016, 01:43:50 pm
Why cernobyl didn't get permaban? he also was caughted using f1, and he give it to awaix
Good point, however I dunno about the part of him distributing it.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: BeaTz on July 17, 2016, 01:45:24 pm
Why cernobyl didn't get permaban? he also was caughted using f1, and he give it to awaix
Good point, however I dunno about the part of him distributing it.
He didn't distribute, KxZ gave Chernobyl f1
---------------------------------
@Sean lmfao, why are you saying the truth?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: BliTz on July 17, 2016, 01:55:30 pm
First sevrin asslicked to come in WK
Talking about asslick eh?

  • Asslicks UF clan to get in.
  • They treat him like shit, because ofc he is, full of shit.
  • Leaves with tears.
  • Asslicks EC staff to join the staff team.
  • They treat him like shit, because ofc he is, full of shit.
  • Leaves with tears.
  • Gets treated even worse after leaving staff team.
  • Says WK/ON sucks
  • Asslicks Indian team (BeaTz, BliTz, ThunderStorm, harish, etc).
  • They treat him like shit, because ofc he is, full of shit.
  • Leaves with tears.
  • "man trc is nice"
  • Asslicks TRC
  • Applies for TRC.
  • Gets denied.
  • "man trc sucks"
  • "man vu seems nice"
  • Asslicks VU.
  • Applies for VU.
  • Gets denied.
  • "man vu sucks"
  • Asslicks EC staff to get atleast one source of attention.
  • Gets straight 5 negetive votes.
  • Asslicks MaiYan to get into staff
  • Gets accepted for 12 hours, causing EC staff to leave maiYan's side.
  • Gets kicked from staff team.
  • Becomes most hated player of VCMP.
  • Asslicks CF clan.
  • Gets accepted.
  • Claims CF is best clan with him joining.
  • EAF Team B challenges CF.
  • Leaves CF like a pussy.
  • "man russians are best"
  • Asslicks ON clan/WK.
  • Gets accepted.
  • Thinks he is at the top of the world.
  • ON clan declared as hacker clan.
  • Gets banned from almost all the official servers of VCMP.

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AGREEEEEEEEEEE   PLS
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 17, 2016, 02:05:57 pm
 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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So currently all hackers:
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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: ferrari32 on July 17, 2016, 02:14:30 pm
haha very funny, well, we all know you too have these "hacks", and remember you used in EC but i no have proofs. If that was a tactic, why you join ON? for hacks? better join VA to get hacks, you seem's to be disloyal, you was VU full, and now trainee hahahhah, i neva seen player be VU full but use VU trainee tag (I'm talking about [VU]EazY, he use everytime [VU_T]Eazy haha)

Now you will ask: "Why are you reporting to your clan mates?"
      Well, I joined in this clan to get information about hacks, and they probably are hackers.
Here's the information I got and I'll leave ON in some days.
I'm not using this kind of hacks and of course I never will use it, I only joined in this clan to get properly information about this players. About this hacks and how it works.

That's all and thanks for read.
 Regards, Gohan

I'm not reporting ON Hacks today 16/07/2016, I already reported on April 03, as I said... " I only joined in this clan to get properly information about this players. About this hacks and how it works" and I forget to say to report them. See you, kisses in your ass.

In this case, you can prove to be a traitor to any family by joining and leaking out the information.
Secondly, Sevrin, who was himself involved in all this is acting like he didn't do anything. (I'll prove this soon with the help of evidence).
So if they distributed hacks, they did so just to clan members (not all of us, not me either) so it doesn't mean that those members who got hacks and using it all the time, you have only 1 video in which some members used it, if you're so curious to ban them, go ahead and do it, that's it, but pointing out fingers on others on the basis of logs is useless and even Kxz aka voyaflex is another person (which he proves himself) who can be a danger to any other clan's privacy, so that point behind my discussion was TRY NOT TO TRUST THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE LEAKING OUT INFORMATION FROM ALL THE CLANS AND THEY JUST JOIN CLANS TO TAKE OUT THEIR PRIVATE STUFF and after leaving that clan, they distribute the stuff outside.
And I'm sure Berkely is using VU for this too and he'll leave VU sooner or later and will leak out all the personal information of VU outside. But you cannot ban anyone without solid evidence (there isn't any evidence except 1 video).
There was a reason why we closed clan applications because we knew that people like berkely and kxz are joining clans and leaking out their information so we decided that we'll only accept invite players on our own and nothing suspicious happened after that. Even saurabh aka lazer is not to be trusted because his next target is probably VU.

lmfao..

I'm Kamran Ghafoor from Pakistan, playing here for like 6 years, the reason to join VU is really obvious. Despite of being one of the most skillful clan in VCMP Universe, VU has proved to be one of the most mesmerizing and enchanting clan with fabulous skills. I know almost all of the active members of VU, like:

Thank you Riders for accepting my application request again. Let's get to topic.
It's been almost a month since my last application to Vice Underdogs for recruitment in the clan. I didn't hear the obvious reason of rejection of my application last time from Vice Underdogs except "Not ready". So following are the things that I did in the previous month for improving myself:

What has changed?
                                          Since the last rejection, I started preparing myself mentally for Vice Underdogs, as my skills appeared to be satisfactory for me after duel with Tzunam and Jokah. So preparing mentally means that I learned how to stay quiet in front of those who judge others by skills, not character. What I've learned next is to stay calm if someone tries to interfere me or try to hesitate my without any obvious reason. Thirdly, I thought that the most famous reason of rejection of VU applicants is "Meet more VUs", so I started hanging around in A/D server, where most players of VU play. Played with few VU players, had a great time with them. So, overall, I tried to fulfill all the requirements for VU.

Why I'm back only after 1 month? How am I supposed to learn all the stuff in a month?
                                                                                                                                                   I don't actually think that a lot of time is required to learn everything, if you prepare yourself mentally, you can obviously learn anything. Another reason is that I talked to Jokah, and Riders too about my re-apply, they said if you think that you're ready, you may apply. So I applied.

What VU can expect from me?
                                                          I have great sense of humor (nevermind), my gaming skills are quite satisfactory, I had a great experience as being the staff member of European City server, I know the way to talk, I can contribute in playing Clan Wars and can give more ideas for improvements.

Anything else regarding my application can be found in my previous application: http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=6815.0

Thanks again,
Much love,
K.
                                                     

Yeah I just hate those asslickers... You're totally right..
Title: Re: [ON] best clan evaaahhh
Post by: MaDKilleR on July 17, 2016, 02:40:39 pm
Knew this from the first day since I played with these "greatest warriors of the millennium"  in European City server. You guys were bragging so much about "how great you're" and "show us your skills Paki". This is what you're. This is your reality, worthless punks.

Now you guys can make a private server and play with all your hacks over there and name the server as "best clan evaaahhh".

and you can also rename your clan to [OFF].
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Milko on July 17, 2016, 02:58:34 pm
Banned on EAD and CTF so far. Where else?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: XD on July 17, 2016, 03:00:48 pm
Few fags in EC too :P
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Qarlitoz on July 17, 2016, 03:45:07 pm
no words :/
http://alturl.com/p749b
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: ElvenKing on July 17, 2016, 05:16:36 pm
<^_^> <^_^> <^_^> <^_^> <^_^> <^_^>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j0dlcfekqw
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Deadmau5 on July 17, 2016, 05:54:50 pm
 :'( :'(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo4OnQpwjkc
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: TheKing on July 17, 2016, 07:21:48 pm
This kids have inffected the game. They wouldn't last a second in the old days. This is why, many people have left this community and will continue leaving. Kids back then were hungry to gain rep and become a big VCMP Dmer the right way. You're a dsigrace to all of the effort many people did to take this game to a whole new level. Its great seeing thos ban logs honestly, and i'm ussually the one giving second chances cause I remember when I was a 12 yr old trying to make it to the big leagues. BUT OBVIOUSLY WENT THE RIGHT WAY AND TRAINED, NOT BRAG ABOUT HOW GOOD I AM USING F1/WALL HACKS. GTFO.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Xyu on July 17, 2016, 11:05:39 pm
Imagine the police finds out that a criminal organization has been distributing drugs. But this organization doesn't use the drugs, they just distribute it. Will the police arrest only the drug users? Or will they arrest the criminal organization aswell? They will arrest both because the damages that the drugs caused is the responsibility of this organization.

If you still didn't understand that analogy, I'll make it even simpler for you, in that story the criminal organization would be ON and the drug users would be the players that got these hacks, the police would be the servers owners.
I respect you as a developer but I would like to clarify the following.

Right, but there's no rule about distribution in vcmp. It's a fact. Operate to "common sense" as you mentioned earlier is your or community initiative. You should know there are different laws in specific community or society. Regarding your analogy some kind and amount of drugs are legal / partly legal in one country and illegal in another one. For example USA state laws vary considerably. Or just check wiki about legalization of cannabis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis#/media/File:World-cannabis-laws.png
"Common sense" approach is totally illogical in this case because it is subjective.
By the same criteria we can punish potential "chlenix1337" users because they want to use hack in game.

IMHO:

1) The right decision here is punishing people who have used hacks in game.
2) Add the rule in server rules about distribution of hacks.
3) Make a list of permitted and prohibited modifications:

Very many players use custom sniper's cross-hair, it's a game modification that provides you advantages over other players without it.
Some players like Noori prefer a game without grass. Is it fair? I don't think so, but the most of community don't care about that.

4) Update and adapt rules like laws and strictly adhere to it.

Then similar contradictions can be prevented.



Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 18, 2016, 01:03:46 am
Imagine the police finds out that a criminal organization has been distributing drugs. But this organization doesn't use the drugs, they just distribute it. Will the police arrest only the drug users? Or will they arrest the criminal organization aswell? They will arrest both because the damages that the drugs caused is the responsibility of this organization.

If you still didn't understand that analogy, I'll make it even simpler for you, in that story the criminal organization would be ON and the drug users would be the players that got these hacks, the police would be the servers owners.
I respect you as a developer but I would like to clarify the following.

Right, but there's no rule about distribution in vcmp. It's a fact. Operate to "common sense" as you mentioned earlier is your or community initiative. You should know there are different laws in specific community or society. Regarding your analogy some kind and amount of drugs are legal / partly legal in one country and illegal in another one. For example USA state laws vary considerably. Or just check wiki about legalization of cannabis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis#/media/File:World-cannabis-laws.png

I respect you too for replying here given your affiliation with [ON] it's good to have your opinion here aswell. I understand your point of view Xyu. Infact, in my country, since 2001, all drugs have been decriminalized (https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.xTThEVXH4). That example I gave was just an analogy, to make a comparison, of course I'm not saying that distributing drugs is the same as distributing hacks in vcmp, it was just an analogy. And I agree with you about the sniper hud and the "no grass" mod aswell, those should not be allowed aswell, not until there's a way to make the server force them to be the same for all players and infact they have never been allowed on the CTF server. The problem with these mods is that we dont have any way to detect them, and this case here with ON is different because even though we also can't detect these mods, they admitted to sharing them with their members and they were caught using them like the videos posted show.

By the same criteria we can punish potential "chlenix1337" users because they want to use hack in game.
Nah this is different because these "potential chlenix1337 users" are not in a clan where their leaders are giving them the hacks. And in [ON] the leaders are providing the hacks to their members.

"Common sense" approach is totally illogical in this case because it is subjective.
I don't agree. I don't find common sense to be subjective at all. Maybe it may seem subjective for the players that dont have it/lack common sense, but there's nothing we can do about that though.

There are some things that are just obvious, and dont even need to be said, which is why I say it's common sense. In this case it's obvious that distributing hacks is against the rules. Why? Because the thing they are distributing causes damage to our community. They should be held responsible for the damages they caused. They need to face the consequences for the damage they inflicted on our community. The damages I'm talking about is this "virus" that they have spread through the community, and the unfair gameplay like clan wars and matches they played in and even when playing normally on the server they were not playing fair against other players. They made this community worse for everyone. It's a slap in the face of all server administrators who make efforts in making their server free of cheaters. I tought you would be able to understand this because you are an administrator yourself. But if you don't agree with me I don't think me talking about this will make you change your mind. You simply have different opinions from mine, which I don't agree with, and I have opinions you might also not agree with, so lets just look at the facts instead of opinions.


These are the facts:

Do you really want to let the members of a clan where their leaders give them hacks to play in our servers?
It's as simple as this: If we know there are hacks going around inside the [ON] clan, why not ban [ON] members from the servers? We have no bulletproof way of knowing which players are using the hacks or not, all that we know are the facts, and the facts say that there are hacks going around inside the [ON] clan.

Let's imagine this was a different clan. Imagine if MK/VU/SS/TRC leaders started giving hacks to their members. This would essentially mean they'd be infecting their WHOLE clan because of the poor decision they made. And they should be punished for that irresponsible decision.

[ON] made the decision of sharing hacks between their clan members. This was a dangerous decision because their players could start using the hacks in public servers or sharing them with more people, and this was exactly what happened. They made this irresponsible decision and should now face the consequences for the problems they caused.  However  I don't understand why are you still trusting a clan where their leaders give hacks to their members and why your team (WK) still wants to be affiliated with a group that does this. But anyways, that is WK's choice, it's none of my business.

There's 2 situations here that people need to understand:

If their bans should be permanent or not, that is something that's left at the discretion of each server. On the CTF server we are (as you know) still discussing this and I'll soon take a final decision on this.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: noori on July 18, 2016, 09:12:11 am
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Some players like Noori prefer a game without grass. Is it fair? I don't think so, but the most of community don't care about that.

The greenless mod which i use is allowed in the servers i play  and still i asked the managers admins of the servers  if it is alowed or not and they said it is allowed i am not the only one who use greenless mod in LW  this is totally irrelevent   and i am shocked to see you are justfying hacks distribution just to save your asslickers and here i was thinking that you guys would have some ethics and  disown them .
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 18, 2016, 11:47:53 am
It should also be apparent that an extraordinary situation generally calls for an extraordinary response. When the F1 hack was first released and it became clear that people were distributing it to other players, some servers (XE in particular) decided to ban anyone who was known to have shared it, even though the server didn't explicitly ban the sharing of hacks. The reasoning was that people who distribute hacks at least partially responsible for their use in servers, and that people sharing hacks with others or allowing clanmates to share them openly are likely using it themselves.

Likewise, if a server came under some sort of DoS attack, it should be obvious that the server owner has the right to block the attacker from the server to prevent similar attacks from them in the future, even if the server didn't explicitly state that using DoS attacks against them is a bannable offense. A completely inflexible response would fail to provide any meaningful resolution.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 18, 2016, 01:08:39 pm
It should also be apparent that an extraordinary situation generally calls for an extraordinary response. When the F1 hack was first released and it became clear that people were distributing it to other players, some servers (XE in particular) decided to ban anyone who was known to have shared it, even though the server didn't explicitly ban the sharing of hacks. The reasoning was that people who distribute hacks at least partially responsible for their use in servers, and that people sharing hacks with others or allowing clanmates to share them openly are likely using it themselves.

Likewise, if a server came under some sort of DoS attack, it should be obvious that the server owner has the right to block the attacker from the server to prevent similar attacks from them in the future, even if the server didn't explicitly state that using DoS attacks against them is a bannable offense. A completely inflexible response would fail to provide any meaningful resolution.
Indeed, you would most likely to ban the 'subnet' or country but there some individuals who are not involved in this, what about them? lets suppose if the whole country is accused of drug dealing there might be some personalities who aren't involved in this tragic act or somehow unaware of this mischeif, what do you do with them? put them in jail too along with other criminals or allow them to migrate to other country and let them live? i'm just curious..
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Smoke2jointS on July 18, 2016, 02:27:41 pm
Edit by Charley - this was in fact Kamran impersonating Smoke2joints

In that case, all you really need to do is to ban the people who were caught, just like you can see R4EVER in video, I'm pretty much sure that some players in the clan were not even aware about those hacks since it appears like they are sharing hacks in PM. Leave those chumps who aren't involved.

Blitz how dare you used my avatar here?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 18, 2016, 03:27:13 pm
Actually, I know no one respects my clan in the whole community, but consider what would happen if some highly respected clan members (few) gets caught for distribution hacks. What will you exactly do? Ban all the members of that reputed and respected clan or will only ban those who really distributed/used hacks, I myself wasn't known if there are any hacks or not, but I was only aware of F1, the hacks mentioned in very first post are strange, a player (not mentioning his name) said to me, "You should have started a topic named wtf is going on here if you didn't know anything", I personally didn't see any kind of distribution with my eyes but I had no other option but to defend my clan since I wasn't aware of those distributions. I'm trying to be honest and I wasn't aware of any kind of distribution of hacks.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 18, 2016, 03:38:37 pm
ye ye your members are banned anyway so stop making these excuses rofl

actually, lies

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I myself wasn't known if there are any hacks or not

?????????

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We gave them hacks because they said that they want to test, so if you're a member of ON and you ask for stuff?
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That's exactly the situation, they said that they want to test them and we gave them hacks for being a CLAN MEMBER
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Why do we produce such hacks?
Answer: *some blabbering bullshit with no sense*
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a single video in which I'm or any other ON player using it to kill players (except demonstration)
all said by you

again:
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These are the facts:

    We know that the [ON] clan shares hacks inside their clan (They said this themselves)
    We know some of their members used it in public servers
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 18, 2016, 03:42:17 pm
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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Deadmau5 on July 18, 2016, 03:54:35 pm
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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: BliTz on July 18, 2016, 04:47:58 pm


Blitz how dare you used my avatar here?

what!!!!

how would smoke2joints know me lol
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 18, 2016, 05:11:32 pm
Thomas, did you really just quote yourself to say you explained that well?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 18, 2016, 05:19:18 pm
This "VCMP logic" never fails to impress  ;D

I'm literally amazed by how some of you people can't seem to make a distinction between 2 very different situations:
There's 2 situations here that people need to understand:
  • 1st situation: If members from a clan start using hacks without their leaders' knowledge, only these members should be banned from the the server, not their entire clan
  • 2nd situation (this is what happened): If members from a clan start using hacks that were provided by their leaders, then all the members from that clan should be banned, because the leaders could just do this again and again and keep distributing hacks to their members, do you really trust them not to do it again? They already lied more than once when people reported them before and they always lied and said they didn't use any hacks. I don't trust liars


Take a minute and think really really hard about this. I'll try make it as simple as possible:

Q: What do we usually do when we catch players from a clan cheating  without their clans' knowledge?
A: We ban only the players that we caught cheating, not their entire clan.

Q: What do we usually do when we find out that a clan has been distributing hacks?
A: We don't know, this is the first time this has happened. Which means it's time to make a decision.

Q: What do we usually do when we find out that a clan has been creating hacks?
A: We don't know, this is also the first time this has happened. Time for another decision...

And really really pay attention to this next one, I cannot stress this enough:
Q: What do we usually do when we find out that a clan has been creating hacks, distributing them and using them altogether?
A: Guess what, it's also the first time this has happened...

Get it? This is a first. It has never happened before. As stormeus also mentioned, extraordinary situations call for extraordinary measures. This is not your typical: "Players from clan get caught cheating - server bans the players who cheated". It's very different. In this situation we know that members from [ON] were responsible for: creating the cheats, distributing them and using them. The punishment you're trying to apply here (banning only those who used it) makes no sense because that is the punishment that is usually applied to players who use cheats, not to players who use, share and distribute them. Not to mention that it is completely illogical, for the love of god, just think with me for a second here: What good will it do to ban only the players who used the cheats, if there's members inside the clan that MAKE the cheats. So what if we only ban those who used it? They can just distribute it again to more of their members or even worse, they just create new cheats, they said it themselves they have people capable of doing this.

Using cheats is bad, distributing them even worse, but creating them takes the cake. And this clan is responsible for all of those 3 things, so please apply a proper punishment. We have the oportunity here to make this a precedent for future cases, don't mess it up, because the next time this happens with another clan every member from that clan will just "evade" their punishments by saying "oh we didn't know about it, we didnt use it, ban only those who did, etc..)

Now as I said before, making it a permanent ban might not be the right solution, all I'm saying is that this clan cannot be trusted anymore, not for now atleast. They lost our trust and they need to regain it, and that won't happen in a few days, so a long ban for the clan is perfectly justified in this case.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 18, 2016, 05:32:31 pm
Bear in mind that these losers use hacks to look better at the game than they really are. If you're going to punish anyone in any way, it should include a stat reset.

It should also be noted that "Smoke2jointS" is actually a user from Pakistan.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 18, 2016, 05:46:38 pm
Bear in mind that these losers use hacks to look better at the game than they really are. If you're going to punish anyone in any way, it should include a stat reset.
That's a fair point aswell.
It should also be noted that "Smoke2jointS" is actually a user from Pakistan.
lmao, I found it weird indeed for Smoke to be acting like that, from what I know of him I don't think he'd make such statements. He's also from Canada and the last time we talked he didn't seem too keen on coming back to VCMP at all.

So they're now trying to impersonate well know respected members from the community to try and get some sympathy. These kids just keep making this look worse and worse for their side.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Deadmau5 on July 18, 2016, 05:57:06 pm
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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 18, 2016, 06:16:50 pm
Nice plan by some paki fag to keep us in trouble.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sora_Blue on July 18, 2016, 06:18:56 pm
Q: What do we usually do when we find out that a clan has been distributing hacks?
A: We don't know, this is the first time this has happened. Which means it's time to make a decision.
This has happend before, look at PLK/PKG that was lead by Nadeem. Both got clan banned on XE and SvM.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 18, 2016, 06:26:16 pm
It should also be noted that "Smoke2jointS" is actually a user from Pakistan.

Nice plan by some paki fag to keep us in trouble.

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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Charley on July 18, 2016, 06:47:43 pm
I don't think any of the solutions to this problem posted here are satisfactory.

Here is my proposition - it is not perfect, but I think it is more suitable:

Make a list of those people who we know satisfy any of the following criteria:

1) Distributed hacks
2) Used the hacks
3) Were aware of the distribution or use of hacks, and didn't say anything.

This list can be presumed to automatically include all of ON management, but not all ON players.

The punishment should be the following:

1) 1 year ban for everyone on this list, in all abiding servers. After 1 year, these players are only allowed to play in abiding servers if they are clanless. If they create or join a new clan, they will be prohibited from playing.
2) Disallow players who belong to a clan managed by any of these players from playing, permanently. So, for instance, if Hunting creates a new clan, [OT], and John joins OT, John will not be allowed to play in any abiding server whilst being a member of OT. If he leaves OT, he can play again. This also means that no current innocent ON players can play until they leave ON.

The logic underpinning this punishment:

1) It is unfair to ban players who may not have been aware of the distribution or use of hacks.
2) The leaders of ON and the others on the list have abused the informal clan system to damage the game and community.
3) If only ON is banned, the players in its management can just make a new clan, and cause damage again.
4) Therefore a suitable punishment for them would be not just to remove their clan, but to remove their ability to ever make a clan again, or ever be part of one.
5) This truly punishes those responsible, while not allowing their foolishness to ruin the game for those in ON who are innocent.

Problems with this plan:

1) The list we make will be limited, as we cannot be fully aware of who has or did what. This is unavoidable, but it is better that we miss one or two than we unnecessarily punish one or two. The remaining, non-banned ex-ON players can be put on a 'watchlist' for server admins.

2) ON management might evade this punishment by changing their names, IPs, and online identities. Sadly this is a problem that all forms of banning are susceptible to in VC:MP - it is not unique to this situation.

3) This plan is more complicated than just banning ON, it might be hard getting servers all on board. Yes, it is a little complicated. But we as a community have to be as determined to prevent hacking as those who wish to perpetrate it, otherwise the bad guys will win. Fortunately there is at least one admin from every major server who has posted in this thread, and in most cases server management have posted here too.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Castagna on July 18, 2016, 06:48:23 pm
Q: What do we usually do when we find out that a clan has been distributing hacks?
A: We don't know, this is the first time this has happened. Which means it's time to make a decision.
This has happend before, look at PLK/PKG that was lead by Nadeem. Both got clan banned on XE and SvM.
They were pretty much banned on everywhere, also on EA. After this, PLK/PKG eventually died.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 18, 2016, 07:04:27 pm
Q: What do we usually do when we find out that a clan has been distributing hacks?
A: We don't know, this is the first time this has happened. Which means it's time to make a decision.
This has happend before, look at PLK/PKG that was lead by Nadeem. Both got clan banned on XE and SvM.
Ah, you're right, I did not even remember this.

Even more reasons then for them to receive a similar treament. Although we can still say it's the first time a clan has been caught using, distributing and creating hacks, all at the same time. So they actually did worse than PLK/PKG.

It should also be noted that "Smoke2jointS" is actually a user from Pakistan.

Nice plan by some paki fag to keep us in trouble.

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This just keeps getting better by the day.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: MaDKilleR on July 18, 2016, 07:33:22 pm
Nice plan by some paki fag to keep us in trouble.

Edit by Charley - this was in fact Kamran impersonating Smoke2joints

In that case, all you really need to do is to ban the people who were caught, just like you can see R4EVER in video, I'm pretty much sure that some players in the clan were not even aware about those hacks since it appears like they are sharing hacks in PM. Leave those chumps who aren't involved.

Blitz how dare you used my avatar here?

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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HunTinG on July 18, 2016, 07:46:30 pm
This also means that no current innocent ON players can play until they leave ON.
What can I say?
Nothing much than I don't agree.
Why not go with the rule 'ban on sight' ?
These hacks were made for 'testing', and somehow were given to 'disloyal'.Then these 'disloyal' starting making the truth look different,which is wrong - I've said I knew ANO is working on hacks. - Didn't mean I did not have any attempt on stopping him,on the contrary, you can see ANO is very involvish in 'game sync' and 'functions' and would like to test it all,he just didn't give up.
These hacks were not designed to be shared with ON members,neither, but ANO rebelled and gave his work to the soldiers.

Nothing much can be said,other than the fact WE know that you'll do even your impossible,because you DO NOT want us to play in any server,you can deduce it from your own words.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 18, 2016, 07:59:04 pm
These hacks were made for 'testing', and somehow were given to 'disloyal'.

The excuses coming from you guys are arguably worse than the fact that this was going on. Your excuse is saying "Hey we made/got some hacks that prevent people from shooting you and let you see through walls and you can have them, but it's only for testing. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)"

These hacks were not designed to be shared with ON members,neither, but ANO rebelled and gave his work to the soldiers.

And when was ANO reprimanded? Did you bother reporting the fact that this happened to anyone? What happened with the ON members who obtained these hacks and used them? Obviously nothing because there are video recordings of people with the ON tag using them to hide walls and shoot through them.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 18, 2016, 08:22:11 pm
Thomas, did you really just quote yourself to say you explained that well?

Actually, i realized that later, but i wasn't impersonating anyone.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Deadmau5 on July 18, 2016, 08:24:37 pm
It should also be noted that "Smoke2jointS" is actually a user from Pakistan.

Nice plan by some paki fag to keep us in trouble.

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Ftdpc1jD.png&hash=62c770a9485189e3e1c28fefae5dac720867b8c6)

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.losandes.com.ar%2Ffiles%2Fimage%2F16%2F06%2Fimage57709aa22f6eb4.27186536.JPG&hash=0e9481d83359554ee49a6aab21723756de06ba58)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: AdrenAline on July 18, 2016, 08:34:23 pm
ON which clan members were banned? because I have seen several of them enter the server with other nicks ....
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HunTinG on July 18, 2016, 09:00:38 pm
These hacks were made for 'testing', and somehow were given to 'disloyal'.

The excuses coming from you guys are arguably worse than the fact that this was going on. Your excuse is saying "Hey we made/got some hacks that prevent people from shooting you and let you see through walls and you can have them, but it's only for testing. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)"

These hacks were not designed to be shared with ON members,neither, but ANO rebelled and gave his work to the soldiers.

And when was ANO reprimanded? Did you bother reporting the fact that this happened to anyone? What happened with the ON members who obtained these hacks and used them? Obviously nothing because there are video recordings of people with the ON tag using them to hide walls and shoot through them.
What I mean is,ON CLAN isn't the only one having these hacks.
These stuff was also shared to some other guys(according to KxZ' distribution),for example chernobyl , or 'KF' clan (Tom can provide proof)
What matters is,if these hacks at least WON'T be blocked,then the others will freely use them in Deathmatch gamemode, and if so,they can use these with bit of 'intelligence'.

I apologize for everything that's public,hacks created by 'our clan' , and mostly for the inability to control ON members' willing of 'use these hacks' and providing links to them,
anyway, Stormeus,why didn't you even care when Tom sent all this stuff to you, never gave any bit of  time for looking at it and blocking it?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: ferrari32 on July 18, 2016, 09:06:08 pm
It should also be noted that "Smoke2jointS" is actually a user from Pakistan.

Nice plan by some paki fag to keep us in trouble.

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Ftdpc1jD.png&hash=62c770a9485189e3e1c28fefae5dac720867b8c6)
It's clearly his brother.. doh..
On a side note, it's quite funny that these guys managed to suck pretty heavily even with those hacks lol
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 18, 2016, 09:29:40 pm
I'm just trying to figure out why he would use Smoke2joints nick in it lol, as far as i know Smoke2joints won't even take 1 sec to ban all of these cocksuckers.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 18, 2016, 09:34:48 pm
What I mean is,ON CLAN isn't the only one having these hacks.

Not an excuse.

These stuff was also shared to some other guys(according to KxZ' distribution),for example chernobyl , or 'KF' clan (Tom can provide proof)
What matters is,if these hacks at least WON'T be blocked,then the others will freely use them in Deathmatch gamemode, and if so,they can use these with bit of 'intelligence'.

Put up some conclusive proof and they'll be dealt with equally.

anyway, Stormeus,why didn't you even care when Tom sent all this stuff to you, never gave any bit of  time for looking at it and blocking it?

You mean like this set of changes, which I definitely didn't write, to the VC:MP code to try and fix the ASI issue, which I definitely didn't investigate at any point?

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FiqhcEC2.png&hash=ecc2e4609501365f8c56ad5d7eb9284e64dc83e8)

You know what the problem with any of the code I've written related to blocking ASI loading and hacks like this is? It either always breaks something else that's critical for VC:MP to work, or is extremely insufficient. The last time we pushed this kind of code into production, half the playerbase failed to connect to any servers and we had to undo that fix. This has been a recurring issue that I have always been looking into. You have absolutely no right to tell me what I haven't been working on in a codebase that you have zero access to.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Revolver on July 18, 2016, 10:34:15 pm
It should also be noted that "Smoke2jointS" is actually a user from Pakistan.

Nice plan by some paki fag to keep us in trouble.

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Ftdpc1jD.png&hash=62c770a9485189e3e1c28fefae5dac720867b8c6)

EXCUSE ME, I JUST FUCKING DIED.

SERIOUSLY DON'T YOU HEAR MY SCREAMS? ? ?

THANK YOU STORM, I HAVENT LAUGHED SO HARD IN A WHILE.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 18, 2016, 10:51:01 pm
This also means that no current innocent ON players can play until they leave ON.
What can I say?
Nothing much than I don't agree.
Why not go with the rule 'ban on sight' ?
These hacks were made for 'testing', and somehow were given to 'disloyal'.Then these 'disloyal' starting making the truth look different,which is wrong - I've said I knew ANO is working on hacks. - Didn't mean I did not have any attempt on stopping him,on the contrary, you can see ANO is very involvish in 'game sync' and 'functions' and would like to test it all,he just didn't give up.
These hacks were not designed to be shared with ON members,neither, but ANO rebelled and gave his work to the soldiers.

Nothing much can be said,other than the fact WE know that you'll do even your impossible,because you DO NOT want us to play in any server,you can deduce it from your own words.
Look hunting, even if you were saying the truth, you are still responsible. For example when someone gets arrested for doing something illegal, they can't "evade" their arrest just by saying they didn't know it was illegal, even if they're speaking the truth. As a clan leader you need to take responsibility for what happened inside your own clan, as clan leader you need to have some degree of control inside your clan, you failed to do that so the responsibility lies with you aswell, stop  throwing your members under the bus, you're just as responsible as them, after all, if those members had never joined your clan, they wouldn't have the problems they have now. Your clan is responsible for creating, distributing and using hacks.

I don't think any of the solutions to this problem posted here are satisfactory.

Here is my proposition - it is not perfect, but I think it is more suitable:

Make a list of those people who we know satisfy any of the following criteria:

1) Distributed hacks
2) Used the hacks
3) Were aware of the distribution or use of hacks, and didn't say anything.

This list can be presumed to automatically include all of ON management, but not all ON players.

The punishment should be the following:

1) 1 year ban for everyone on this list, in all abiding servers. After 1 year, these players are only allowed to play in abiding servers if they are clanless. If they create or join a new clan, they will be prohibited from playing.
2) Disallow players who belong to a clan managed by any of these players from playing, permanently. So, for instance, if Hunting creates a new clan, [OT], and John joins OT, John will not be allowed to play in any abiding server whilst being a member of OT. If he leaves OT, he can play again. This also means that no current innocent ON players can play until they leave ON.

The logic underpinning this punishment:

1) It is unfair to ban players who may not have been aware of the distribution or use of hacks.
2) The leaders of ON and the others on the list have abused the informal clan system to damage the game and community.
3) If only ON is banned, the players in its management can just make a new clan, and cause damage again.
4) Therefore a suitable punishment for them would be not just to remove their clan, but to remove their ability to ever make a clan again, or ever be part of one.
5) This truly punishes those responsible, while not allowing their foolishness to ruin the game for those in ON who are innocent.

Problems with this plan:

1) The list we make will be limited, as we cannot be fully aware of who has or did what. This is unavoidable, but it is better that we miss one or two than we unnecessarily punish one or two. The remaining, non-banned ex-ON players can be put on a 'watchlist' for server admins.

2) ON management might evade this punishment by changing their names, IPs, and online identities. Sadly this is a problem that all forms of banning are susceptible to in VC:MP - it is not unique to this situation.

3) This plan is more complicated than just banning ON, it might be hard getting servers all on board. Yes, it is a little complicated. But we as a community have to be as determined to prevent hacking as those who wish to perpetrate it, otherwise the bad guys will win. Fortunately there is at least one admin from every major server who has posted in this thread, and in most cases server management have posted here too.

Ah, always the optimist eh charley :P In a perfect world some of those points would be excellent, but let's be realistic here, unfortunately most of those points just aren't feasible. Like you said, that list of people would be limited, it  would probably contain about 5 people max, and in the worst case scenario, the list could also be inaccurate because we have no way of knowing for sure who did what, and at this point everyone in their clan is lying through their teeth, so their word doesn't mean anything anymore, unless they're capable of presenting solid proof about what they're saying. Another thing that's just impossible to pull off is to have all servers agree to a decision. I'm willing to try but at the end of the day ,each server owner has their opinions about how to proceed and when server owners end up not agreeing to a decision we will get nowhere. Also lets not forget about the main issue which is: They have members inside their clan capable of creating hacks (said by themselves (http://i.imgur.com/0P6LjyD.png)), so if we're going to ban just a few of them, what's stopping them from giving more hacks to more of their members in the future? Or just create new hacks. The clan itself needs to be banned, because the clan is the source of these hacks. Of course some players don't have any fault in this situation, but there is no perfect solution to this issue. It's not their fault they got involved in this but it's not ours either, as server owners we're just trying to make this fair for the majority of our players, they were just in the wrong clan at the wrong time, sometimes bad luck is just bad luck.

I also don't agree with preventing them from creating or joining other clans ever again. Putting aside the fact that we can't actually prevent them from doing it, at the moment I don't really agree with a permanent type of punishment. They're just kids,  they act like kids and do stupid shit just like most people did at their age. At the moment their clan cannot be trusted, they need to regain the community's trust, a long 1 year ban or so should suffice for them to demostrate that they can be trusted again. If during the ban period we catch them again, then we make it permanent.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sora_Blue on July 18, 2016, 11:40:07 pm
Put up some conclusive proof and they'll be dealt with equally.
https://youtu.be/2Kb2EQgUkYY
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: vito on July 18, 2016, 11:49:36 pm
I don't belive banning of whole clan will help to prevent sharing cheats, and people who using hacks usually know how to evade bans. Also I think the punishment should be a method of regulation of people's behavior and not a revenge. Forcing to split them with a long bans for all will make they to stay together harder aganist you. Better option is different bans based on personal contribution in cheating popularization and cheating using for each of them. It will really split them and gives a chance to back to normal vcmp life for most of them.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 19, 2016, 01:28:58 am
I don't belive banning of whole clan will help to prevent sharing cheats, and people who using hacks usually know how to evade bans. Also I think the punishment should be a method of regulation of people's behavior and not a revenge. Forcing to split them with a long bans for all will make they to stay together harder aganist you. Better option is different bans based on personal contribution in cheating popularization and cheating using for each of them. It will really split them and gives a chance to back to normal vcmp life for most of them.
Has nothing to do with revenge and more to do with banning the people responsible for this situation. ON created the hacks, ON are source of these hacks, the hacks came from them, therefore ON deserves to be banned for it. It's as simple as that. A long ban instead of a permanent one acts as a way of regulating player behaviour just lke you said. During the ban duration they have the oportunity of proving to us that they can be trusted again, they have a chance to regain our trust. If they still want to keep distributing hacks during that period, that's their choice, that will just prove that they can't be trusted and result in a permanent ban from everywhere.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 19, 2016, 02:01:04 am
Stormeus you have really amazing photoshop skills and I APPRECIATE them.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Deadmau5 on July 19, 2016, 02:10:30 am
(https://viceunderdogs.com/Themes/ViceUnderdogs/images/Ranks/spammer.png)

x3
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 19, 2016, 03:09:57 am
Stormeus you have really amazing photoshop skills and I APPRECIATE them.

Nice try, thanks for playing.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 19, 2016, 03:10:34 am
I should say this to you.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Orochi on July 19, 2016, 04:08:40 am
Stormeus you have really amazing photoshop skills and I APPRECIATE them.

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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: noori on July 19, 2016, 06:05:26 am

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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Amal on July 19, 2016, 06:17:36 am
more than 10 pages and still not even an attempt to say sorry for what they did.... pathetic!
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 19, 2016, 07:00:51 am
I don't belive banning of whole clan will help to prevent sharing cheats, and people who using hacks usually know how to evade bans. Also I think the punishment should be a method of regulation of people's behavior and not a revenge. Forcing to split them with a long bans for all will make they to stay together harder aganist you. Better option is different bans based on personal contribution in cheating popularization and cheating using for each of them. It will really split them and gives a chance to back to normal vcmp life for most of them.
Has nothing to do with revenge and more to do with banning the people responsible for this situation. ON created the hacks, ON are source of these hacks, the hacks came from them, therefore ON deserves to be banned for it. It's as simple as that. A long ban instead of a permanent one acts as a way of regulating player behaviour just lke you said. During the ban duration they have the oportunity of proving to us that they can be trusted again, they have a chance to regain our trust. If they still want to keep distributing hacks during that period, that's their choice, that will just prove that they can't be trusted and result in a permanent ban from everywhere.
what about THE VA HAX?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: RaideN on July 19, 2016, 08:05:26 am
well done, krys and Gohan ;)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Gohan on July 19, 2016, 08:23:07 am
well done, krys and Gohan ;)
Thanks.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: vito on July 19, 2016, 08:31:18 am
A long ban instead of a permanent one acts as a way of regulating player behaviour just lke you said.
One year for all is too long. It's like death penalty in server. They will evade it and will be in illegal status, then they will get bans for ban evading and so on. Do you want it?
Long ban is good for only a hack's creator and for people who shared this hacks for others (ban for them should be a bit less than for a hack's creator). If people just used it without any type of sharing they should be banned as normal cheaters with shorter period. If player was just [ON] member and not used the hack he should be not banned at all. I hope the collective punishment will stay in middle ages. It's my option about that. 
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 19, 2016, 08:57:49 am
A long ban instead of a permanent one acts as a way of regulating player behaviour just lke you said.
One year for all is too long. It's like death penalty in server. They will evade it and will be in illegal status, then they will get bans for ban evading and so on. Do you want it?
Long ban is good for only a hack's creator and for people who shared this hacks for others (ban for them should be a bit less than for a hack's creator). If people just used it without any type of sharing they should be banned as normal cheaters with shorter period. If player was just [ON] member and not used the hack he should be not banned at all. I hope the collective punishment will stay in middle ages. It's my option about that. 
The hack creator is a member of ON, he can create new hacks and start distributing them again to more ON members. Banning only the players who used the hacks does nothing since this person can keep creating hacks and sharing them with his clan, which why the clan itself needs to be banned. And they're lucky if most servers choose to have it be a 1 year ban. As Castagna and Brian have pointed out, the last time a clan distributed hacks, they were permanently banned from all the servers, and I don't see any of them around here today, and they didn't even create the hacks, they were banned for distributing and using them. ON however, did all of what they done and created the hacks too so a 1 year ban is nothing at all for what they've done.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Orochi on July 19, 2016, 09:03:02 am
Nice plan by some paki fag to keep us in trouble.

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Ftdpc1jD.png&hash=62c770a9485189e3e1c28fefae5dac720867b8c6)

He said something right tho. Some paki fag did it :v
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: vito on July 19, 2016, 09:23:31 am
The hack creator is a member of ON, he can create new hacks and start distributing them again to more ON members. Banning only the players who used the hacks does nothing since this person can keep creating hacks and sharing them with his clan, which why the clan itself needs to be banned.
Well and why you think banning [ON] will stop him to share his hacks? He can share it not for [ON] only. He can share it for everybody as his revenge. Judge people for their behavior not for their membership.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 19, 2016, 09:43:19 am
The hack creator is a member of ON, he can create new hacks and start distributing them again to more ON members. Banning only the players who used the hacks does nothing since this person can keep creating hacks and sharing them with his clan, which why the clan itself needs to be banned.
Well and why you think banning [ON] will stop him to share his hacks? He can share it not for [ON] only. He can share it for everybody as his revenge. Judge people for their behavior not for their membership.
If they really want to earn their trust back, they wont share it, hence the 1 year period. A person's membership is a valid criteria to evaluate aswell, if I know player A belongs to the clan that creates the hacks then I'm going to ban player A for choosing to be associated with that clan. Like I said, in the past the last clan who got caught distributing hacks got banned and stopped doing so after a while. The difference here is that they were permanently banned which gave them more reasons to share the hacks, and with ON a 1 year ban is the perfect opportunity for them to prove they can be trusted. It's a valid test to put them through.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Stylish^ on July 19, 2016, 12:21:23 pm

[/quote]
What I mean is,ON CLAN isn't the only one having these hacks.
These stuff was also shared to some other guys(according to KxZ' distribution),for example chernobyl , or 'KF' clan (Tom can provide proof)
What matters is,if these hacks at least WON'T be blocked,then the others will freely use them in Deathmatch gamemode, and if so,they can use these with bit of 'intelligence'.

I apologize for everything that's public,hacks created by 'our clan' , and mostly for the inability to control ON members' willing of 'use these hacks' and providing links to them,
anyway, Stormeus,why didn't you even care when Tom sent all this stuff to you, never gave any bit of  time for looking at it and blocking it?
[/quote]

Kindly provide the proofs, and don't post useless craps about KF, just to save yourself, everyone knows who is the asslicker cheater here.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HunTinG on July 19, 2016, 12:30:01 pm

What I mean is,ON CLAN isn't the only one having these hacks.
These stuff was also shared to some other guys(according to KxZ' distribution),for example chernobyl , or 'KF' clan (Tom can provide proof)
What matters is,if these hacks at least WON'T be blocked,then the others will freely use them in Deathmatch gamemode, and if so,they can use these with bit of 'intelligence'.

I apologize for everything that's public,hacks created by 'our clan' , and mostly for the inability to control ON members' willing of 'use these hacks' and providing links to them,
anyway, Stormeus,why didn't you even care when Tom sent all this stuff to you, never gave any bit of  time for looking at it and blocking it?
[/quote]

Kindly provide the proofs, and don't post useless craps about KF, just to save yourself, everyone knows who is the asslicker cheater here.
[/quote]
You can ask Tom for proofs, as I mentioned above.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: ZeeFighter on July 19, 2016, 12:42:32 pm
Kindly provide the proofs, and don't post useless craps about KF, just to save yourself, everyone knows who is the asslicker cheater here.

Agreed, we KF always fought with proper Respect.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Charley on July 19, 2016, 01:08:11 pm
But not with an ability to use the quote button on a forum...
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 19, 2016, 01:14:34 pm
Lmao learn how to use quote button. xD
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Milko on July 19, 2016, 01:35:20 pm
Why does proof matter so much when many veteran players already see what ON, KF and VA are doing anyway?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 19, 2016, 01:56:31 pm
Why does proof matter so much when many veteran players already see what ON, KF and VA are doing anyway?

Personally I like my lynch mobs to not turn into wild witch hunts.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: GangstaRas on July 19, 2016, 02:03:29 pm
A long ban instead of a permanent one acts as a way of regulating player behaviour just lke you said.
One year for all is too long. It's like death penalty in server. They will evade it and will be in illegal status, then they will get bans for ban evading and so on. Do you want it?
Long ban is good for only a hack's creator and for people who shared this hacks for others (ban for them should be a bit less than for a hack's creator). If people just used it without any type of sharing they should be banned as normal cheaters with shorter period. If player was just [ON] member and not used the hack he should be not banned at all. I hope the collective punishment will stay in middle ages. It's my option about that. 

I agree with this but I don't think there's any real suitable punishment that will truly teach a lesson. If I were in their shoes, 1 year ban is as vito said a death penalty, in my eyes 1 year vs permanent makes no difference, I might as well got the permanent. I'd find every way under the sun to ban evade throughout that time if VCMP matters to me that much. I'd make my hacks behind closed doors and watch my distribution to players instead of publicly distribute them in the clan like a free for all. In the end we wasted our time stressing over these hackers as no lesson was taught and no morality was instilled in their heads.

Stormeus made mention of extraordinary situations require extraordinary actions to be implemented. This is true but I'm not in agreement with where the energy is, you've explained it well to me before but I personally think that rather than worry about what ban these people should get, your extraordinary action should be on implementing in VCMP's code ways to completely block these hacks from running and let's make it stable. If it so happens that 1/2 of VCMP players can't connect when you're done, don't look at it as something to roll back, look at it as there's more hackers in VCMP than we know. As long as people with clean copies of GTA VC can connect, then you have done your work well. That's the only place a lesson in hacks will be taught. Permabans, 1 year bans, all a that shit is just gonna bring retaliation in my eyes
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Charley on July 19, 2016, 03:08:20 pm
If it so happens that 1/2 of VCMP players can't connect when you're done, don't look at it as something to roll back, look at it as there's more hackers in VCMP than we know.

I think that what Stormeus was referring to was that the fixes interfered with normal, legitimate elements of the game, somehow affecting a huge number of people unexpectedly.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 19, 2016, 03:13:53 pm
next year 10000000%100 vcmp = rip
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: KakaroT on July 19, 2016, 03:16:11 pm
btw, moment of silence for those, who are intending to use wall hack and fps hack. Those hacks have disadvantage of using them, when they are injected/used for a while, they interacts with your mouse and you are then unable to aim (at almost all of the places in game). Your mouse is shaking until you turn them off. *cheers* ;D
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Deadmau5 on July 19, 2016, 03:22:36 pm
(https://viceunderdogs.com/Themes/ViceUnderdogs/images/Ranks/spammer.png)

Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 19, 2016, 03:36:58 pm
btw, moment of silence who are intending to use wall hack and fps hack. Those hacks have disadvantage of using them, when they are injected/used for a while, they interacts with your mouse and you are then unable to aim (at almost all of the places in game). Your mouse is shaking until you turn them off. *cheers* ;D
This means you're well experienced, given the fact that you gave it many tries until you learned its defects.
Congratulations! you (http://www.google.com), yourself indirectly admitted that you have been using hacks for long time in servers.
Save your dignity, well what's left of it, and stop exploiting yourself and your clan.
P.S:

-rekt-

Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Roystang on July 19, 2016, 03:45:24 pm

What I mean is,ON CLAN isn't the only one having these hacks.
These stuff was also shared to some other guys(according to KxZ' distribution),for example chernobyl , or 'KF' clan (Tom can provide proof)
What matters is,if these hacks at least WON'T be blocked,then the others will freely use them in Deathmatch gamemode, and if so,they can use these with bit of 'intelligence'.

I apologize for everything that's public,hacks created by 'our clan' , and mostly for the inability to control ON members' willing of 'use these hacks' and providing links to them,
anyway, Stormeus,why didn't you even care when Tom sent all this stuff to you, never gave any bit of  time for looking at it and blocking it?

Kindly provide the proofs, and don't post useless craps about KF, just to save yourself, everyone knows who is the asslicker cheater here.
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You can ask Tom for proofs, as I mentioned above.
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Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: KakaroT on July 19, 2016, 03:59:52 pm
This means you're well experienced, given the fact that you gave it many tries until you learned its defects.
Congratulations! you (http://www.google.com), yourself indirectly admitted that you have been using hacks for long time in servers.
Save your dignity, well what's left of it, and stop exploiting yourself and your clan.
P.S:

-rekt-


You don't need multiple tries to find its defect. If you just used it for a while there you go. Indeed having much experience with hacks, even re-opning hacks don't fix anything once it starts interacting you can't stop. Last time I used those hacks were in ON server testing them and that was the only time I used. (since no one will believe it, they are going to claim I used them in public servers lol )
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 19, 2016, 04:04:21 pm
Last time I used those hacks were in ON server testing them and that was the only time I used. (since no one will believe it, they are going to claim I used them in public servers lol )

To be fair, you lost all credibility when as a clan admin, you couldn't even prevent your members from using and sharing them, or kick them for doing so.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: KakaroT on July 19, 2016, 04:09:57 pm
To be fair, you lost all credibility when as a clan admin, you couldn't even prevent your members from using and sharing them, or kick them for doing so.
Well I tried, we kicked kxz for using hacks. And in rage he spread hacks. That's when we reported you and sent you all hacks to block them and waited for update that will block those hacks but there wasn't single news about it. And then we ended up here.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 19, 2016, 04:16:44 pm
To be fair, you lost all credibility when as a clan admin, you couldn't even prevent your members from using and sharing them, or kick them for doing so.
Well I tried, we kicked kxz for using hacks. And in rage he spread hacks. That's when we reported you and sent you all hacks to block them and waited for update that will block those hacks but there wasn't single news about it. And then we ended up here.

If it so happens that 1/2 of VCMP players can't connect when you're done, don't look at it as something to roll back, look at it as there's more hackers in VCMP than we know.

[...] what Stormeus was referring to was that the fixes interfered with normal, legitimate elements of the game, somehow affecting a huge number of people unexpectedly.

Believe it or not the WinAPI doesn't have a "TurnOffASI" function. The types of workarounds that would almost completely block ASIs from loading would also break the networking layer for half the player base and make them unable to connect to any server, regardless of whether or not they were hacking. The reason I didn't respond to your particular suggestion was because it was already tried and failed as such.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HunTinG on July 19, 2016, 04:22:14 pm
To be fair, you lost all credibility when as a clan admin, you couldn't even prevent your members from using and sharing them, or kick them for doing so.
Well I tried, we kicked kxz for using hacks. And in rage he spread hacks. That's when we reported you and sent you all hacks to block them and waited for update that will block those hacks but there wasn't single news about it. And then we ended up here.

If it so happens that 1/2 of VCMP players can't connect when you're done, don't look at it as something to roll back, look at it as there's more hackers in VCMP than we know.

[...] what Stormeus was referring to was that the fixes interfered with normal, legitimate elements of the game, somehow affecting a huge number of people unexpectedly.

Believe it or not the WinAPI doesn't have a "TurnOffASI" function. The types of workarounds that would almost completely block ASIs from loading would also break the networking layer for half the player base and make them unable to connect to any server, regardless of whether or not they were hacking. The reason I didn't respond to your particular suggestion was because it was already tried and failed as such.
And for this it was intended to extinct the drama,when yourself,as VCMP developer,couldn't stop the hack spreading, how could we?
It was a misunderstanding on what happen,lol.
Maybe yes, there's been an incident that brought hacks to VC-MP era.I think the only solution is to... (read PM)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 19, 2016, 04:27:42 pm
And for this it was intended to extinct the drama,when yourself,as VCMP developer,couldn't stop the hack spreading, how could we?

Easy, if you're aware that people are spreading hacks in your clan in some way you start investigating. You can go ahead and make that claim when you've written a C++ library that reliably stops DLL injection on a Windows system without breaking anything. I'm confident you won't because that's operating system behavior that can't just be turned off by an app.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sean on July 19, 2016, 04:56:26 pm
And for this it was intended to extinct the drama,when yourself,as VCMP developer,couldn't stop the hack spreading, how could we?
It was a misunderstanding on what happen,lol.
Maybe yes, there's been an incident that brought hacks to VC-MP era.I think the only solution is to... (read PM)
If you cant fix it, then why share? Especially to players who are prone to this stuff? It's like letting your daughter stay at a BDSM porn studio hoping no one will touch her. It's clear the main guys behind the spreading of hacks are ON clan members.

IMO, strict actions should be taken.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 19, 2016, 05:07:25 pm
This means you're well experienced, given the fact that you gave it many tries until you learned its defects.
Congratulations! you (http://www.google.com), yourself indirectly admitted that you have been using hacks for long time in servers.
Save your dignity, well what's left of it, and stop exploiting yourself and your clan.
P.S:

-rekt-


You don't need multiple tries to find its defect. If you just used it for a while there you go. Indeed having much experience with hacks, even re-opning hacks don't fix anything once it starts interacting you can't stop. Last time I used those hacks were in ON server testing them and that was the only time I used. (since no one will believe it, they are going to claim I used them in public servers lol )

Alright, lets suppose you were working on hacks in your own private server, the question arises: why in first place would you be testing an "HACK"? if you did not intend to distribute it or use it officially? it seems alot of waste of time. if for "FUN purposes", why not play with your clan mates in the regular server in a regular way.
Secondly, you are well aware how plague spreads, so before distributing why didn't you put a check on it ( Like Murdock's VCA to work only on VCA enabled servers) to work only in ON server, you know that a client can provide function call back to servers if you made hacks or took it from someone, if you didn't had any access to source code, why didn't you stop dead or even expose yourself to your clanmates about being involved in using hack for 'TESTING' purpose? yes if it were only with your best friends it would be ok considering that they won't stab you in the back (unfortunately which they did ) but providing hacks to trainees and noobs, thats too stupid don't you think? giving hacks in the gaming community is a major crime and it should be dealt with.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HunTinG on July 19, 2016, 05:13:20 pm
Experimental incident.
What else could be said? It's clear that the theory of disloyal members is the only cause that brought us here, blame isn't enough to stop the hack spreading.
Everybody knows his fault ,but...


OFF-TOPIC

I wonder, now that we're finally on sights of VCMP,where was all 'sighting' when ON was on top of European (before all this 'hack spreading' ) ?
Are we really THAT hated that NONE appreciates every step of us? Is that really so because you want us out of this community for .. for what? ? ?
You're all been children,rofl, and it was worse than this , I can add,if that's the reason of all this HATING of others towards ON clan,


stop this grudge against us, it's really getting annoying.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Dr.Shawn on July 19, 2016, 05:15:50 pm
btw, moment of silence for those, who are intending to use wall hack and fps hack. Those hacks have disadvantage of using them, when they are injected/used for a while, they interacts with your mouse and you are then unable to aim (at almost all of the places in game). Your mouse is shaking until you turn them off. *cheers* ;D
you idiot, this sounds totally same as if I'm glitching in 0.3 with laser sniper
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: KakaroT on July 19, 2016, 05:15:56 pm
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Alright, lets suppose you were working on hacks in your own private server, the question arises: why in first place would you be testing an "HACK"? if you did not intend to distribute it or use it officially? it seems alot of waste of time. if for "FUN purposes", why not play with your clan mates in the regular server in a regular way.
https://youtu.be/bP8REP0DELQ
then does it mean stormeus use aimbot?

again
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(since no one will believe it, they are going to claim I used them in public servers lol )

If you don't understand go on replying to this, won't be debated by me anymore.

Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 19, 2016, 05:17:23 pm
stormeus didn't share the hack with anyone and didn't make the hack be clan-spread* so he can't be blamed for anything lol
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thijn on July 19, 2016, 05:22:34 pm
What does a single player hack have to do with a multiplayer hack?

There's plenty of trainers and hacks for VC that work fine in single player. There's no harm for anyone to make or use hacks in single player.

Multiplayer on the other hand...
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 19, 2016, 05:27:35 pm
then does it mean stormeus use aimbot?

1. That's single player.
2. Read the description.

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3. True to my word I never released it and, unlike you, even ended up destroying the source code and compiled versions as a precaution.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 19, 2016, 05:35:58 pm
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Alright, lets suppose you were working on hacks in your own private server, the question arises: why in first place would you be testing an "HACK"? if you did not intend to distribute it or use it officially? it seems alot of waste of time. if for "FUN purposes", why not play with your clan mates in the regular server in a regular way.
https://youtu.be/bP8REP0DELQ
then does it mean stormeus use aimbot?

again


stormeus is one of vc:mp dev, as far as the use of hack is concerned, a doctor must diagnose a disease to cure it, There is no solid proof that stormeus has been involved in using hacks or distributing them in official servers.

This is single player, why the fuck it is being used in multiplayer?
Explain that!
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(since no one will believe it, they are going to claim I used them in public servers lol )

If you don't understand go on replying to this, won't be debated by me anymore.

if you're innocent, why are you protecting those who have been caught red handed using them?
don't bragg about your so called innocence, prove it.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 19, 2016, 05:40:25 pm
stormeus is one of vc:mp dev, as far as the use of hack is concerned, a doctor must diagnose a disease to cure it, There is no solid proof that stormeus has been involved in using hacks or distributing them in official servers.

Just to be fair here, I'm pretty sure that was recorded and made before I became a developer.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 19, 2016, 05:45:20 pm
stormeus is one of vc:mp dev, as far as the use of hack is concerned, a doctor must diagnose a disease to cure it, There is no solid proof that stormeus has been involved in using hacks or distributing them in official servers.

Just to be fair here, I'm pretty sure that was recorded and made before I became a developer.

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There is no solid proof that stormeus has been involved in using hacks or distributing them in official servers.
you were always developing something, we always expected something new in vc:mp history and you always fulfilled our expectations. So in positive manner we couldn't had expected such negligence from you.

Dev or not Dev, your participation in 0.3 brought us 0.4.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sora_Blue on July 19, 2016, 08:31:12 pm
It would help a lot if you could provide a list of known associates/members who have obtained these "hacks" via your means.
This would help prevent into banning the entire clan/innocent players, however the question remains whether that list would be viewed as legit and taken for granted by the rest of the community.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HunTinG on July 19, 2016, 09:49:33 pm
I will be honest.
ANONlMUL created these hacks,later then KxZ joined our team, and as a "Romanian" guy ,we were very familiar with each other,playing together,voice chats,etc...Kxz got these hacks from ANONlMUL,later they were asked by Rustam about distribution,
then lately ANO gave him .Once they were ready for tests,Kxz was found using these hacks,and interest towards other clan (betrayal formerly)..He got kicked,applied for the clan he showed interests towards.In such small time he got denied,and decided to join the "INDIAN TEAM"...this is where he shared hacks with most of its members.Later , later..  Moskvish joined, Berkley joined.We gave these hacks only to Berkley.in the meantime Moskvish leaving,and after Berkley said 'he's not getting any suport from team', leaving , and later applied for some other clan. (VU certain).
Later Kxz decided he is regretting everything.I had doubts about his connections with Chernobyl and other Indians, but it seems like Chernobyl had these hacks from Kxz,certain proofs at EC forums.After the leftovers from Kxz,there were many cases in which F1 was used...talking about present now - I didn't like this situation neither and regret , but there was nothing to do..

So,in my opinion, only and ONLY players that are in this 'story' should be prevented from playing in certain servers,and as Brian said,

I want you to know

ANO - Made them
Kxz - got them from ANO
Chernobyl - got hacks from Kxz after betrayal
Berkley - Thought trusted, got from KakaroT (apparently he joined for obtaining these hacks)
Rustam , Stealth - Used these in LW. (from ANO)
Kamran - From ANO.


This is everything you should know,and what it is to know.
It is a big mistake to ban the entire society of ON for something what some of disloyal did.And more,
I blame myself for all this.I should have said NO instead of letting all this happen, have my apologies again.

Of course,I need to be punished for this, along with clan,I understand, but make justice for everyone.It's not likely if you'd ban me ON wouldn't play without me.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 19, 2016, 09:56:05 pm
Look hunting being honest and saying he used wall hack in clanwar. :) oh wait it's still not there why? because he's being "honest".

Only person is innocent i guess he is Wishwanath(but still it's hard to trust you guys ever AGAIN)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HunTinG on July 19, 2016, 10:06:33 pm
Look hunting being honest and saying he used wall hack in clanwar. :)
Wrong.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 19, 2016, 10:10:40 pm
Look hunting being honest and saying he used wall hack in clanwar. :)
Wrong.

Well you should ask your ex clan mate then.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HunTinG on July 19, 2016, 10:17:42 pm
Look hunting being honest and saying he used wall hack in clanwar. :)
Wrong.

Well you should ask your ex clan mate then.
What? Berkley?
I was in conv with him, voice chat,indeed.

It's certain he's trying to get the best out of the lies to 'Ban ON'.I call him the "impostor".
As for the ban durations and stuff, don't worry,Wilson,I can wait.I've nerves,games and a lot of food to eat in the free time break.
Don't you worry about me,I'm a savvy VC-MP player,indeed.
Reputation is the last thing on my mind.


Nothing else to be said,this being my last reply here.Ciao !
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 19, 2016, 10:46:50 pm
Look hunting being honest and saying he used wall hack in clanwar. :)
Wrong.

Well you should ask your ex clan mate then.
What? Berkley?
I was in conv with him, voice chat,indeed.

It's certain he's trying to get the best out of the lies to 'Ban ON'.I call him the "impostor".
As for the ban durations and stuff, don't worry,Wilson,I can wait.I've nerves,games and a lot of food to eat in the free time break.
Don't you worry about me,I'm a savvy VC-MP player,indeed.
Reputation is the last thing on my mind.


Nothing else to be said,this being my last reply here.Ciao !
You are 12 year old but you talk like 50 year old fat bastard. so what are saying is you can wait until you get unban so you can recruit new players and give them hacks tell them don't use it.

Oh and yeah now you can do your homework because for sometime "no vcmp"

WiLsOn out.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 19, 2016, 10:58:31 pm
Permabans, 1 year bans, all a that shit is just gonna bring retaliation in my eyes
According to this logic we would never ban anyone for anything ever, because of fear of retaliation, since pretty much everything these days brings retaliation. We have players DoS'ing servers when they get banned or impersonating, ban evading, etc... there's always retaliation. Also that aspect does not worry me as much since with the latest addition of client side scripts to VC:MP, we can better detect the usage of these hacks. It's not a bulletproof way but add that with video proof and it's more than enough to make a decision on whether someone is cheating or not.
I will be honest.
ANONlMUL created these hacks,later then KxZ joined our team, and as a "Romanian" guy ,we were very familiar with each other,playing together,voice chats,etc...Kxz got these hacks from ANONlMUL,later they were asked by Rustam about distribution,
then lately ANO gave him .Once they were ready for tests,Kxz was found using these hacks,and interest towards other clan (betrayal formerly)..He got kicked,applied for the clan he showed interests towards.In such small time he got denied,and decided to join the "INDIAN TEAM"...this is where he shared hacks with most of its members.Later , later..  Moskvish joined, Berkley joined.We gave these hacks only to Berkley.in the meantime Moskvish leaving,and after Berkley said 'he's not getting any suport from team', leaving , and later applied for some other clan. (VU certain).
Later Kxz decided he is regretting everything.I had doubts about his connections with Chernobyl and other Indians, but it seems like Chernobyl had these hacks from Kxz,certain proofs at EC forums.After the leftovers from Kxz,there were many cases in which F1 was used...talking about present now - I didn't like this situation neither and regret , but there was nothing to do..

So,in my opinion, only and ONLY players that are in this 'story' should be prevented from playing in certain servers,and as Brian said,

I want you to know

ANO - Made them
Kxz - got them from ANO
Chernobyl - got hacks from Kxz after betrayal
Berkley - Thought trusted, got from KakaroT (apparently he joined for obtaining these hacks)
Rustam , Stealth - Used these in LW. (from ANO)
Kamran - From ANO.


This is everything you should know,and what it is to know.
It is a big mistake to ban the entire society of ON for something what some of disloyal did.And more,
I blame myself for all this.I should have said NO instead of letting all this happen, have my apologies again.

Of course,I need to be punished for this, along with clan,I understand, but make justice for everyone.It's not likely if you'd ban me ON wouldn't play without me.
Atleast now you seem to better understand how responsible you are in all of this, that is a good thing. This brings some clarity to the situation, but as I said before, and like Brian said aswell, your word at the moment has lost a lot of credibility. Whether this list is legitimate or not has to be discussed. But tell me something first hunting, what happened to ANO? What happened to the person who created and first distributed the hacks? Did you kick him from your clan?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: HunTinG on July 19, 2016, 11:11:16 pm
ANO is a co-leader,
you have a point,you see, ANO was a friend since XE's middle - We're like brothers.

ANON was not kicked,I knew his intentions were not bad, he only have wanted to become familiar with every code of
Vice City - and these scripts were his final chance (he's working on programming as far as I know - his real life job)

If I did have any idea of what would happen , there wouldn't be so many hackers today in VC-MP.


I have to take it all as my fault, I've been making morons rich in skills, gameplays and other stuff like this while my clan fell apart,and I didn't even take this serious.
I'm willing to do things the right way,if you guys give us another chance.Try me, I'm not going to disappoint anybody,ANO and these hacks will not be familiar with each other,and everything'll be okay.

I agree with adding a new system for detecting hacks, this time, you can keep an eye on all our members.
I give you my last word that there won't be anymore hacks spreading in this clan as long as I'm the leader..

ANON will STOP THIS PROJECT FOREVER, and will not be any signs of it,if the ON clan members did listen to my orders of 'no longer hacking.'
ELSE , if anybody from our gang is caught using stuff like these hacks,they'll no longer have ties with us, by any means.


I'd like to add that many of the ONs are not even implied in this situation,at least, don't ban them -
List: Wishwanath
HARIS1 - past ON
Trex (ZEVIK)
DeZ (ZERO1)
EAZYMP5 - past ON
Zeruel
DSHARD
If I mistakenly excluded someone,excuse me.PM me and I'll add him if necessary,


if you get my point,NewK,ban the ones guilty for this (which is mostly me, for the negligence offered to the clan),but let the innocent play.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: GangstaRas on July 19, 2016, 11:48:55 pm
Permabans, 1 year bans, all a that shit is just gonna bring retaliation in my eyes
According to this logic we would never ban anyone for anything ever, because of fear of retaliation, since pretty much everything these days brings retaliation. We have players DoS'ing servers when they get banned or impersonating, ban evading, etc... there's always retaliation. Also that aspect does not worry me as much since with the latest addition of client side scripts to VC:MP, we can better detect the usage of these hacks. It's not a bulletproof way but add that with video proof and it's more than enough to make a decision on whether someone is cheating or not.
Nah, misunderstanding. I'm not implying bans shouldn't be out of fear of retaliation, nor am I saying that they shouldn't be banned but I'm just looking at a bigger picture of what we're going to do to them to let them learn from all this. To me it just doesn't make sense they come here, confess all they have to confess, we give them this everlasting ban and then they decide its bullshit and start to ban evade and think of even more clever ways to make and distribute more hacks in the community. There will always be malicious minded people sure but I'm a guy that hopes to instill in persons some sense of integrity at the end of the day, I just don't think banning alone is going to leave that kind of a influential mark
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Niko on July 20, 2016, 12:04:06 am
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTDQirvi.gif&hash=e76ff40dd8f2f6e03d7fb9b0432fd3c25fdf05d4)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sora_Blue on July 20, 2016, 12:29:25 am
OK some people here really need to drop the offensive attitude towards each other as it's totally not helping the situation for anyone.
The way I see it there's still a consensus to be made that both parties could agree on.
Based on everything that's been posted so far I believe that permanently banning the entire ON clan is not appropriate nor do I believe in Charley's 1 year ban.
However, those who were involved should get appropriate punishment.

Hunting's list is a start but I don't think everyone is accounted for as I'm sure chernobyl has distributed the hack within his clan (other members besides chernobyl were caught using it) and perhaps some other (ON) members who may have obtained it from other sources (ex clan members and what not). The question remains whether the list is legit (I know most of them as having used/being in possession) or not.

As I have access to ON's private boards I can confirm that there's no "get your free hacks here" topic so I'm pretty confident to say that this went all via PM.

If we were to believe Hunting/Kakarot's story that the hacks indeed were made just for testing (it's possible) then they should not bare the entire weight of this scandal because of some retards with no common sense within the clan started using them in public servers.
I believe that those who were involved in the creation and usage of said hacks should receive at least 3-5 months ban and the members (or at least those known of) to be put on a watch list. After their bans they should still be put on a watch list until the administration sees fit of them being clean players.

In return they should provide every player's name who have come in possession of said hacks via ON (again it's the community to believe whether that list would be legit) and expose the hacks that are made, these should go to Stormeus and the 0.4 Dev team to see if they can figure a way in to detecting/disabling them. I think it would be adequate to let the server owners/managers know how these hacks work as well and see if they can come up with a counter (like the anti F1 screen in EC).
Furthermore, I suggest ON to kick the members who have used said hacks in public servers, do an entire restructure of the clan and clean up the roster from incompetent dimwits.
You should give your word that you cease the operations of creating hacks/software for the game or at least keep it to yourself.
If you were to break that word then we both know what would be happening and that just simply means that everyone who has posted above me was right and you're not to be trusted.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Dr.Shawn on July 20, 2016, 12:45:22 am
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Alright, lets suppose you were working on hacks in your own private server, the question arises: why in first place would you be testing an "HACK"? if you did not intend to distribute it or use it officially? it seems alot of waste of time. if for "FUN purposes", why not play with your clan mates in the regular server in a regular way.
https://youtu.be/bP8REP0DELQ
then does it mean stormeus use aimbot?

again
Quote
(since no one will believe it, they are going to claim I used them in public servers lol )

If you don't understand go on replying to this, won't be debated by me anymore.


Here is the thing
Everybody knows that he had aimbot
But it was a secret that you had hacks like f1 and wall hacks in 0.4
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kyzo on July 20, 2016, 01:02:03 am
The game goes toward destruction , with entire state of disease that has invaded the inner body of the game, the appearance of these parasytes also helps its destruction until a total degradation. Please #SaveTheGame.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 20, 2016, 05:10:47 am
Since i left ON, time to reveal truth.
1) I left ON, that's why hunting blaming me and I wasn't even involved.
2) ANONIMUL is producer of these hacks.
3) Hunting gave these hacks to kakarot, rustam.
4) The whole roster is innocent except Hunting, ANONIMUL, kakarot, r4ever. So it will be unfair to punish the innocent players.
5) This is truth.
6 ) They never distributed hacks in public (ON forum private section), they just distributed through PM.
7 ) ANONIMUL is mastermind of all this.
8 ) All other roster was not even known about those hacks, nor even me. So it will be unfair to ban the other roster.
9) I request punishment for me for impersonating Smoke2joints, Punishment for Kakarot, Hunting, ANONIMUL and R4ever, KxZ, Chernobyl for distributing hacks. But do not punish others since all others are innocent and are trapped within all these.
10) Following members are completely innocent:
[ON]Zeruel
[ON]DSHARD
[ON]DeZ/pee2shock
[ON]StoneCold
[ON]Wishwanath
[ON]596X
 I removed my nick because I  left ON.
11) I apologize for impersonating Smoke2joints and blaming some respected VUs for that. I will accept my punishment for impersonating him. But I am saying again that I wasn't ever involved in distribution of hacks.
12) There is also a hack called "CHLENIX" which was created by TOM and he distributed that to UJIBU4 and XTM, so TOM should also be punished for distribution of hacks.
On the other hand, I completely agree with vito, they will ban evade of course, so it's better to think something else for their punishment. Their punishment should be remove ON clan from VC:MP Universe and announce it officially on VCMP forum and do not let them to create any other clan. And if they ever try to play as a team, kick them constantly. but it will be completely injustice if you ban those innocent players from ON clan, I don't want to see their career got demolished just because of Hunting, Kakarot and Anonimul.


Kamran - From ANO
Completely BULLSHIT^.
Me including some ON members listed above were never involved in all this.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 20, 2016, 05:46:36 am
i'm just pointing out the obvious:
more than 10 pages and still not even an attempt to say sorry for what they did.... pathetic!
ANO is a co-leader,
you have a point,you see, ANO was a friend since XE's middle - We're like brothers.

I'd like to add that many of the ONs are not even implied in this situation,at least, don't ban them -
List: Wishwanath
HARIS1 - past ON
Trex (ZEVIK)
DeZ (ZERO1)
EAZYMP5 - past ON
Zeruel
DSHARD

if you get my point,NewK,ban the ones guilty for this (which is mostly me, for the negligence offered to the clan),but let the innocent play.

All of your clan deserves to be banned from all the servers, even the ones that didnt use the hacks.
I do not agree with that but I found someone who likes to give permanent ban, I'm pretty sure there's some of them that didn't use any kid of hacks, new members for example but wilson killed it :'(

<~WiLs0n`> !banuid  51a7de454bd394a585e9257efc88c81160630a74 [ON]Wishwanath 0 kids with hacks not allowed
<&Defend> Admin WiLs0n` Banned [ON]Wishwanath Reason kids with hacks not allowed Duration: Permanent

<%Blitz> I asked wishwa to connect
<&Defend> Kicking [ON]Wishwanath. Reason: Perma-Ban
<~WiLs0n`> XDDDDDDDDD
<%Blitz> Yes
<%Blitz> Poor he

why is he like this?
Look hunting being honest and saying he used wall hack in clanwar. :) oh wait it's still not there why? because he's being "honest".

Only person is innocent i guess he is Wishwanath(but still it's hard to trust you guys ever AGAIN)


Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sevrin on July 20, 2016, 06:46:55 am
@Kamran, are you sure about StoneCold, he's brother of Kakarot & both uses the same PC.

Other thing, you did the biggest bullshit of using Smoke2joints's nick & when caught, saying dumb stuff to stormeus lol.

Then, about that CHLENIX, it's just chlenix in your mind. There isn't any kind of hack called chlenix - the so called aimbot. It's just making fool of the one who thinks they use aimbot(actually there isnt any aimbot in VC:MP or chlenix).

About bans, all the one who used hacks & distributed are banned from EC, some on the list posted by Hunting is still not banned but will be after sometime. They'll be banned for 6 months or 1 year, 1 year is still like permanent ban. And who knows they still ban evade & use F1, fuck everything up more from now. But mostly they'll be caught. Banning whole ON is completely not fair as there are some who don't even know that there's any hacks like F1 or wall hacks, they never used, the great example is Wishwanath. Also, not only about ONs, how the heck this F1 walked to chernobyl? He was caught using it & banned in EC. Someone clear this out.

@Hunting, was this hack distributed to Kamran/K. too? (just confirming)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 20, 2016, 07:06:34 am
StoneCold is completely innocent, he just uses a game in which he removed bushes, nothing else.
I already apologized about Smoke2jointS thing.
KxZ distributed F1 to Chernobyl
They never gave me hacks, I just left ON last night and they're trying to blame me.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 20, 2016, 07:28:12 am
Since i left ON, time to reveal truth.
1) I left ON, that's why hunting blaming me and I wasn't even involved.
2) ANONIMUL is producer of these hacks.
3) Hunting gave these hacks to kakarot, rustam.
4) The whole roster is innocent except Hunting, ANONIMUL, kakarot, r4ever. So it will be unfair to punish the innocent players.
5) This is truth.
6) kakarot's next plan: "me and broly will hack into Amal's vu account and leak out their info" amal dont talk to broly, its a trap. (ask amal if Broly was trying to make contact with him for confirmation, if you don't believe this point).
7 ) They never distributed hacks in public (ON forum private section), they just distributed through PM.
8 ) ANONIMUL is mastermind of all this.
9) All other roster was not even known about those hacks, nor even me. So it will be unfair to ban the other roster.
10) I request punishment for me for impersonating Smoke2joints, Punishment for Kakarot, Hunting, ANONIMUL and R4ever, KxZ, Chernobyl for distributing hacks. But do not punish others since all others are innocent and are trapped within all these.
11) Following members are completely innocent:
[ON]Zeruel
[ON]DSHARD
[ON]DeZ/pee2shock
[ON]StoneCold
[ON]Wishwanath
[ON]596X
 I removed my nick because I  left ON.
12) I apologize for impersonating Smoke2joints and blaming some respected VUs for that. I will accept my punishment for impersonating him. But I am saying again that I wasn't ever involved in distribution of hacks.
13) There is also a hack called "CHLENIX" which was created by TOM and he distributed that to UJIBU4 and XTM, so TOM should also be punished for distribution of hacks.
On the other hand, I completely agree with vito, they will ban evade of course, so it's better to think something else for their punishment. Their punishment should be remove ON clan from VC:MP Universe and announce it officially on VCMP forum and do not let them to create any other clan. And if they ever try to play as a team, kick them constantly. but it will be completely injustice if you ban those innocent players from ON clan, I don't want to see their career got demolished just because of Hunting, Kakarot and Anonimul.


Kamran - From ANO
Completely BULLSHIT^.
Me including some ON members listed above were never involved in all this.

Let me apologize 1st for all of this, but i need to tell you a story:

1) I join ON since december 2015, i was really happy because ON was my 1st ever clan, and the best

2) I know ANO, we are good friends, at that time, i know he were a good developer, we're a very good family (Me, Hunting, ANO)

3) When we was speaking on skype, i hear some words like: "Wall hack" but i don't ask for it

4) after some days, i ask ANO about this "Wall hack" and he tell me about this wall hack, after another some days, he gave me

5) i hear something about F1, i ask kakarot, and he gave me

6) in april of 2016 i left ON because hunting no respects me

7) i see Chernobyl playing on EC, i ask him for friendship, and we was friends

8 ) I tell him about my leaving from ON, and he said i can stay with them to beat WK - ON

9) after some days, on skype, he ask me for F1, i said i can't give it, but he convinced me and i gave it

10) after some time, he was caughted to use it on EC server, and he give it to Awaix (awaix ask me how to use it)

11) DarkFox aka Harish ask me for wall hack, i said i can't give it, but he convinced me ( he too have the wall hack)

12) after all of this, i decided to leave "THE INDIAN TEAM" and come back to WK - ON

@Sevrin StoneCold has nothing to do with these hacks, kamran too

That's all.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Roystang on July 20, 2016, 07:34:03 am
Stop the Hell Here,
Damn shit bringing in this forum with spams please stop we all know that ON clan is a "Bunch of Cheaters"
at first KakaroT was trying to declare that this is "False" that ON Using hacks but when ONs Got a preasure on them so they said the "Truth" [ON]HunTinG the Developer of clan said that this is our fault , damn  ANONIMUL was the producer of this hack ,

Guys why you need hack what is use of hack what you need if you can't play fairly why don't you stop playing and starting another game in which you use this Damn hacks ,  the game "Vice City Multiplayer" Contains An interactive world
Vice City Multiplayer is a modification for Grand Theft Auto: Vice City that allows players from around the world to join together and play Vice City in whatever style they like.
As many as 100 players can join a single server, and any player is welcome to start their own server with their own rules and gameplay. From race to deathmatch to roleplay, VC:MP lets you do it. also An extensible mod

Not only does VC:MP add multiplayer functionality, it offers server owners a large degree of control over how their server's world looks and acts.
Tired of vanilla Vice City? Throw in a highway! Add your own weapon pickups or delete buildings and put HD versions in their place.

VC:MP had a rule of "Do Not Cheat / Hack" which is included in every single server and who doesn't having they are no need to be in master list and if the Traffic Lights give you signal Stop but still you're not ready to stop , you're going straight just cross the zebra crossing just the other car comes which has more speed than your car than it suddenly hits your car and you die ! then if the VC:MP's Traffic light says Stop Hacking but still you don't stop then good bye
but now the clan ON has did there shits at official servers so they will get the ban .. And Happy Banned Day From VC:MP Official Servers..

Would have been easier for the readers if you guys just said the truth at the first place,10 goddam pages and all posts with something new is such a pain.
Glad you accept your fault
Its funny that Some of the VUs expected this to happen (on vs on).
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Dr.Shawn on July 20, 2016, 07:36:23 am
Would have been easier for the readers if you guys just said the truth at the first place,10 goddam pages and all posts with something new is such a pain.
Glad you accept your fault
Its funny that Some of the VUs expected this to happen (on vs on).
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 20, 2016, 07:54:10 am
Well, I told everything truth, and now all I'm trying to say is that I WAS NEVER INVOLVED in all this, plus, Amal be careful, they're trying to target you. They want to hack their forum account to get some information of VU and then leak it everywhere.

I already said that StoneCold, me, Dez/pee2shock, Wishwanath, DSHARD and Zeruel were not known about hacks. That's it.

wrong 100%
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 20, 2016, 07:55:46 am
I already said what was true, I have nothing else to say.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Roystang on July 20, 2016, 07:58:18 am
That's isn't true K.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Strykerz. on July 20, 2016, 07:58:48 am
well, you left yesterday without say nothing, you just block all of us.

I came to the conclusion that you don't wanna be banned from server's
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 20, 2016, 08:10:14 am
Yes I left without saying anything and blocked all of you, and I'm not running anywhere, if they want to ban me they'll ban me too of course. I just left ON clan, I didn't run anywhere.

That's isn't true K.

How do you know it's false? It means you're also involved.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Dr.Shawn on July 20, 2016, 08:22:16 am
Amal be careful, they're trying to target you. They want to hack their forum account to get some information of VU and then leak it everywhere.
Like if there are a bunch of hacks in VU's private boards,they Gona find nothing but topic about VU,VU's members and a few tactics which are common everywhere
Good luck to those who intend to hack amal,prove that you got balls under your legs
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Roystang on July 20, 2016, 08:36:50 am
Yes I left without saying anything and blocked all of you, and I'm not running anywhere, if they want to ban me they'll ban me too of course. I just left ON clan, I didn't run anywhere.

That's isn't true K.

How do you know it's false? It means you're also involved.
Ok i agree and i also know that you're not involved . what the prove you have that i use hacks?
Wishwanath knows , Maybe you also Know  and blah blah blah , cuz awaix is my clan mate and whatsoever i'll take out the truth from him and K. do you got any shame being a ON ?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 20, 2016, 08:41:11 am
Awais was with Chernobyl and Kxz on skype when they were sharing hacks, that's exactly Awais will say too.

So let me re-call distribution

ANONIMUL (creator of hacks) >> Hunting(Leader)>> Kakarot (Admin)>> R4EVER, KXZ, BERKELY >> KXZ>> Chernobyl>> Some others.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Roystang on July 20, 2016, 08:57:14 am
Does Berkley got these hacks?
Prove that Awais used that hacks
And i asked you A Question  Do you feel shame that why you join ON?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Kamran/K. on July 20, 2016, 09:02:38 am
Berkely didn't use hacks, he just got them and showed to krystianoo and all of people in VCMP.
Awais never used any hacks. I just said he was with them in conversation.
I never knew that they distributed hacks, do you feel ashamed after getting born?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Charley on July 20, 2016, 09:11:18 am
So many stories, all of them contradicting.

Read this:

The following people cannot post again in this thread until asked to do so:

Chlenix, K., Hunting, Strykerz, Kakarot.

You have shared your stories, now wait. This is not the place for you to argue about what's going on within and now outwith ON. Any new posts by you will be removed if they are considered to be inappropriate or off-topic.

Can someone reasonable, intelligent and articulate please try and summarise what has been said in the last few pages?


Edit: Chlenix, K, Hunting, Strykerz, Kakarot and Awaix have received 2 days no-posting ban. Let me reiterate: This is not the place for you to argue about what's going on within and now outwith ON.

Any non-constructive posts below this one will be removed. This has gone on for too long.

OK some people here really need to drop the offensive attitude towards each other as it's totally not helping the situation for anyone.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: DarKFirE on July 20, 2016, 03:45:43 pm
This is potentially dumb, as simple as that.

The only thing to do in this case is the same thing that was done in my case, shit don't need 15 pages of bullshit with useless paragraphs that nobody reads completely or at least give a possible solution to the situation.

1.- Identify the people responsible for creating this modification (Everyone agree and knows that ANONIMUL did it)
2.- Identify each of the people who own the modification at this time, whether they are members of the clan involved or just people who bought the hack to "test it" (without exception *cough* Berkley, Chernobyl, Stealth and some indians *cough*)
3.- Take actions ONLY on the server in which these players were discovered using this modification. I don't see the reason to remove them from the entire game just because some dickhead came to write 10 paragraphs about moral and respect (certainly I hope that this reaches the people who have made this action, believe me, nobody cares. This is a game and should be treated as such, you dumbasses)

>profit
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Charley on July 20, 2016, 03:56:36 pm

1.- Identify the people responsible for creating this modification (Everyone agree and knows that ANONIMUL did it)
2.- Identify each of the people who own the modification at this time, whether they are members of the clan involved or just people who bought the hack to "test it"

That's what I meant by asking someone to summarise what's been said - it appears that it is possible to make such a list from the last couple of pages of posts. Then we can be done with this.

Edit:- Current total word count of post bodies in this topic: 33,179 words. For comparison, Animal Farm is 29,966 words.  ;D
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Milko on July 20, 2016, 04:24:24 pm
Do you guys actually think VU are using hacks? :D
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 20, 2016, 04:26:52 pm
why do you want such a list, Charlie? Do you think that the 'main' servers haven't already decided what to do about this?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: SFi7z on July 20, 2016, 04:30:15 pm
It's incredible this thread has reached 16 pages, if F1, widescreen and others modifications were a bannable offense, ethan, me, you and 80% of vcmp community would be perma-banned. Too much drama for what it really is. Hacking in vcmp isn't something new, those hacks aren't new stuff either, everyday cheaters get banned in different servers; do you really see someone making a drama topic in every single forum?

Stuff happened in EC and that's all, ban people ONLY if you have seen them cheating in your server. If we follow the same logic, administration of every server should ban every single person that they have found hacking in X server, and I'm pretty sure nobody is going to do that, am I right?

Obviously I'm not defending any of them, it is your server and you guys decide what to do. Have a good day.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 20, 2016, 04:32:51 pm
lmfao are you drunk
this is an entire clan we are talking about, not you; your case is very different
they have offended their enemies countless of times (it doesn't matter though) and now it turns out that they had a cheat developer and their members were USING cheats and GIVING cheats to IRRESPONSIBLE members which caused the hack(s) to be clan-spread and even go outside of the clan
ON's all members are (or were) active on all of the 'main' servers (CTF-EAD-EC) and it can be safely assumed that they used cheats in all 3 of those servers.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sora_Blue on July 20, 2016, 04:42:33 pm
Assumptions doesn't cut it otherwise 90% of vcmp would be banned for some reason right now.
Only concrete hard evidence please.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: ferrari32 on July 20, 2016, 04:44:00 pm
Well to summarize the recent posts by Hunting, Gaymran and whoever.
Here we have a couple of people deciding to confess the same crime, yet fail to provide the same details of how the crime was executed. And since none of them hold any credibility or provide any evidence to back their words, all of their ''confessions'' backfire on one another, and we get back to the beginning.

So again, we have no other options but to presume your whole clan is involved, simply because you can't even agree on who to blame.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: DarKFirE on July 20, 2016, 04:57:29 pm
What's different about my case with the case of these people? This is not about removing sight of a whole clan because 3-4 members are involved in something like hacks.

>Player787 created F1 - ANONIMUL created this "wallhack" and bullshit modifications.

>LuciFeer, SFi7z and HazBeel distributed F1 through XE forums - 3-4 ON members did the same with ANONIMUL's modifications.

>We were banned only in the server in which we were discovered by such actions, not in the entire community or each server.

>We all were ULK members at that time, but ULK itself wasn't banned because 1 guy was using hack and 3 distributed it. So why do you want to ban an entire clan and innocent people? it's like banning Bishop because he was ULK. Common sense, you are applying a stereotype (totally wrong thing in this case)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 20, 2016, 04:57:55 pm
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>Player787 created F1 - ANONIMUL created this "wallhack" and bullshit modifications.
hahaha fuck no

the rest:
on leadership is involved in cheats, members know about it, leadership and members both spread them so they'll most likely be banned
innocent players won't be banned

i can elaborate further
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: DarKFirE on July 20, 2016, 05:08:20 pm
Polack please, do not try to impersonate the most knowledgeable person in this community; you know shit about F1 and it's creation, kindly stop being an ignorant faggot.

on leadership is involved in cheats, members know about it, leadership and members both spread them so they'll most likely be banned

Do you really think the whole clan roster is involved in hacks? The fact that a leader has access to it does not mean that others should know or have the same modifications, as far as i'm concerned there are ON members that are innocent.

All I can see of you is a personal situation against this clan, you're not really doing this to help a community, let's be honest for the first time and agree that this is reality.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sora_Blue on July 20, 2016, 05:09:13 pm
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>Player787 created F1 - ANONIMUL created this "wallhack" and bullshit modifications.
hahaha fuck no
You're really stupid if you can't accept the fact that the original F1 hack that was distributed in 0.3 was made by Player787.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 20, 2016, 05:12:58 pm
actually just screenshotted both of you retards saying this so yeah here we go

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c:\users\melkiy\documents\visual studio 2010\Projects\VCMP hacks\Release\VCMP hacks.pdb
- from assembled/compiled code of f1

Melkiy - a player from Russia, and definietly not Player727.

mangatards rekt footage

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Do you really think the whole clan roster is involved in hacks? The fact that a leader has access to it does not mean that others should know or have the same modifications, as far as i'm concerned there are ON members that are innocent.
nope, I just said that innocent ON members won't be banned anywhere as I have consulted the leader and many other sources as well and there is already a list of the 'innocent ones'
what you are coming up with is nothing innovative and has already been thought of by admins of all servers


--
wondering what will your reply be now ahaha lmfao
except for 'you must have f1 yourself to know all this!'
not really karan told me
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: karan on July 20, 2016, 05:14:09 pm
Quote
>Player787 created F1 - ANONIMUL created this "wallhack" and bullshit modifications.
hahaha fuck no
You're really stupid if you can't accept the fact that the original F1 hack that was distributed in 0.3 was made by Player787.
Player787 don't know a shit, he don't even know proper English, do you expect him to code in visual studio? lol just open that .asi as notepad and find C:/ ,you'll see someone with "melkiv" user, he created it, I've searched in facebook about that guy and found a guy with that name having 2 mutual friends as "lokillo and Carlos Maruri aka Player787, good luck with further discussion,imma out.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: DarKFirE on July 20, 2016, 05:17:51 pm
Melkiy - a player from Russia, and definietly not Player727.

hahaha, as expected.

Actually, I was expecting some idiot to come here with such bullshit and say that F1 creator was european, so predictable coming from someone as stupid as you.

what you are coming up with is nothing innovative and has already been thought of by admins of all servers

gr8 b8, seriously

having 2 mutual friends as "lokillo and Carlos Maruri aka Player787

kthx
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Piterus on July 20, 2016, 05:21:59 pm
Another +10 pages now?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 20, 2016, 05:25:16 pm
Like your boyfriend Marco said:
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Only concrete hard evidence please.
Right now there is nothing supporting your theory regarding Player727 making F1, the facts are on my side, naturally.

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gr8 b8, seriously
Not really. You would know if you wouldn't be such a retard in the first place to destroy this community around 3 years ago by releasing F1 and losing a place in every single staff list (CTF included)

As usual, the Ecuadorian is upset and must resort to using shitty, unfunny memes and insult to retain his non-existant reputation in this game.
Fuck off.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Dr.Shawn on July 20, 2016, 05:33:48 pm
pls
D'ont bring ULK into this.
Someone just lock the topic already, people have made their decision about what to do
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 20, 2016, 05:36:05 pm
I thought one ULK was dead and the other ULK couldn't give less of a shit about VC:MP anymore.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: DarKFirE on July 20, 2016, 05:37:12 pm
Feeling butthurt krys?

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Like your boyfriend Marco said:
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Only concrete hard evidence please.
Right now there is nothing supporting your theory regarding Player727 making F1, the facts are on my side, naturally.

Maybe I should bring 787 for the lulz, so he could show you how he created such thing, since he's from Ecuador won't be a big deal for me to contact him, just saying lol

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Not really. You would know if you wouldn't be such a retard in the first place to destroy this community around 3 years ago by releasing F1 and losing a place in every single staff list (CTF included)

0 fucks were given and still.

Quote
As usual, the Ecuadorian is upset and must resort to using shitty, unfunny memes and insult to retain his non-existant reputation in this game.
Fuck off.

Yea, I care a lot about reputation, especially in this game LOL
Plus, why are you talking about reputation when you polack fuck got VAC banned at steam?

http://steamcommunity.com/id/dnakrystianoo

Have fun losing faggot rofl

kthx bye
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 20, 2016, 05:37:43 pm
still no evidence

just insults                             [ great proof that shows you're losing this one and you're so upset :D ]
insults
insults


summary of your replies lmfao

pretty good you bring my vac ban into this -

do you think that when valve catches a cheater cheating on one server, they should ban him only at one server and not at all of them?
that's your logic

ON ban should be server-wide
given the weight of this situation

Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: karan on July 20, 2016, 05:43:13 pm
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Maybe I should bring 787 for the lulz, so he could show you how he created such thing, since he's from Ecuador won't be a big deal for me to contact him, just saying lol

I'll make things easier for you, here's the contact of him, call and get him here, lets see.
-- Image removed. --
If you want to invade someone's privacy by posting a phone number online do it somewhere else.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: morphine on July 20, 2016, 05:56:05 pm
shut the fuck up god damn it
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 20, 2016, 06:41:45 pm
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CAN WE JUST DECIDE WHAT TO DO AND GET ON SAME PAGE INSTEAD OF FUCKING EACH OTHER IN EVERY FUCKING GOD DAMN FUCKING POST?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: ferrari32 on July 20, 2016, 07:25:14 pm
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CAN WE JUST DECIDE WHAT TO DO AND GET ON SAME PAGE INSTEAD OF FUCKING EACH OTHER IN EVERY FUCKING GOD DAMN FUCKING POST?

''no''
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 20, 2016, 07:30:45 pm
Simple summary:
1) ban cheaters if they are caught red handed do a full supervisory on ON members
2) list can be taken from ON leaders and previous pages about who is innocent or who is involved.
3) who feel injustice in their matter can apply for ban appeal in servers with proofs and witnesses
4) the rest is on the owners of the servers, they will do what they feel right.
5) Say no to polack glitching and refrain from fucking around in servers,
6) if anyone can vouch for innocence of an ON player please now is the time to step forward before anyone gets injustice.
7) 3 months ban for all ON players just as a precaution from all servers ( optional )
8) if someone is irritated by this thread, instead of putting up bullshit, they can go fuck themselves in silence

edit: thank you for rating yourselves brain donor. for confirmation, click on list and you'll see your name under brain donors list.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Dr.Shawn on July 20, 2016, 08:07:04 pm
Yea, I care a lot about reputation, especially in this game LOL
Plus, why are you talking about reputation when you polack fuck got VAC banned at steam?

almost 4 years old
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 20, 2016, 08:25:16 pm
if someone is irritated by this thread, instead of putting up bullshit, they can go fuck themselves in silence

yes pls envy in silence
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Deadmau5 on July 21, 2016, 02:16:45 am
Do you guys actually think VU are using hacks? :D

i am using hacks , problem?
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.manchestereveningnews.co.uk%2Fincoming%2Farticle11247366.ece%2FALTERNATES%2Fs615%2FJS88337445.jpg&hash=bc6598ba4354b26f69e675e805e4b3ae17c0cfc7)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: NewK on July 21, 2016, 02:59:09 am
What's different about my case with the case of these people?
In your case you did not belong to a clan that was creating the hacks, which is exactly the case here.

But anyway.... 18 pages are enough, unless more solid information comes up, this is my final position on the issue:

ANO is a co-leader,
you have a point,you see, ANO was a friend since XE's middle - We're like brothers.

ANON was not kicked,I knew his intentions were not bad, he only have wanted to become familiar with every code of
Vice City - and these scripts were his final chance (he's working on programming as far as I know - his real life job)

If I did have any idea of what would happen , there wouldn't be so many hackers today in VC-MP.


I have to take it all as my fault, I've been making morons rich in skills, gameplays and other stuff like this while my clan fell apart,and I didn't even take this serious.
I'm willing to do things the right way,if you guys give us another chance.Try me, I'm not going to disappoint anybody,ANO and these hacks will not be familiar with each other,and everything'll be okay.

I agree with adding a new system for detecting hacks, this time, you can keep an eye on all our members.
I give you my last word that there won't be anymore hacks spreading in this clan as long as I'm the leader..

ANON will STOP THIS PROJECT FOREVER, and will not be any signs of it,if the ON clan members did listen to my orders of 'no longer hacking.'
ELSE , if anybody from our gang is caught using stuff like these hacks,they'll no longer have ties with us, by any means.


I'd like to add that many of the ONs are not even implied in this situation,at least, don't ban them -
List: Wishwanath
HARIS1 - past ON
Trex (ZEVIK)
DeZ (ZERO1)
EAZYMP5 - past ON
Zeruel
DSHARD
If I mistakenly excluded someone,excuse me.PM me and I'll add him if necessary,


if you get my point,NewK,ban the ones guilty for this (which is mostly me, for the negligence offered to the clan),but let the innocent play.
Look, first of, I never had any grudges with you or your clan before as you might think. I don't even actively play VC:MP anymore. Before all of this was found I think haven't even had so much as a single argument/discussion with any member of your clan. So don't think that whatever I decide is based on grudges. It's not. This is my decision for the CTF server.


For the players who were previous members of [ON] but left the clan or are going to leave the clan:

For the players who are current members of [ON]:

To sum up, previous [ON] players who didn't use/distribute the hacks will be unbanned. If ANONIMUL is removed from the clan, all current [ON] members who did not use/distribute the hacks will be unbanned aswell. [ON] members who used/distributed the hacks, will have their bans shortened to 6 months. However, if ANONIMUL remains in the clan, the entire clan will have to endure the 1 year ban. If members from the clan leave the clan during this period they will be unbanned but only if they didn't use/distribute the hacks, if they did, their bans will be shortened to 6 months for choosing to distance themselves from the main source of the hacks (ANONIMUL).

Reasons:

Why are the bans of ON members who used/distributed the hacks only being reduced if ANONIMUL is removed from the clan?
- I'll reduce their bans because if ANONIMUL is removed from the clan, the main source of the hacks is gone from the clan and as a result it's less likely for these members to get their hands on new hacks. Thus, making it easier to trust them again.

Why is the ban duration 1 year for all [ON] members if ANONIMUL stays in the clan?
- Because as long as there is a source(ANONIMUL) of hacks inside the clan, no ON members can be trusted. Not until they regain our trust. The 1 year period ban instead of the permanent one is their 2nd chance to regain our trust.

Why are the players  who leave [ON] being unbanned and the ones who stay aren't?
-Those players will only be unbanned if they didn't use/distribute the hacks, otherwise they will still be banned, except their ban duration will be 6 months instead of 1 year because they chose to distance themselves from the main source of the hacks(ANONIMUL). The players who choose to stay in the clan with ANONIMUL  there, are choosing to be associated with a person who created and distributed the hacks, which is why the ban duration for them is of 1 year.

In all situations, ANONIMUL gets a 1 year ban, for being the main cause in all of this.

Keep in mind that were this any other multiplayer game like Counter-Strike, League of Legends, Call of duty, etc..., all the bans would be permanent, but since this is VC:MP, and VC:MP has a history of being light on punishments, none of those bans will be permanent. Unfortunately this a necessary evil due to the low player count of the mod.


@Hunting, as you see you have choices here, now it's all up to you. If you and ANONIMUL really are like brothers as you say, I understand some of these decisions might be difficult, but please try to look at it from our point of view: At the momemt, we simply cannot trust the members of ON as long as ANONIMUL is there. You promised to us that he would stop creating the hacks, but this is not something that you can control, ANONIMUL can do this all over again behind your back if he wishes to. If you really could control this, this situation would not have happened in the first place. So those promises you made mean nothing because you can't fulfill them. As a member of a clan that's been alive for 9 years now, my advice to you if you want to restore some of the reputation of your clan, and care about your members' reputation, would be to remove ANONIMUL from your clan because as long as he is there, your clan will always have the fame of the "hacker clan" and many of your members will probably be accused of hacking by many servers regardless of their involvement. If you want to do what's best for your members that is my advice to you.

Also I'd like to ask to forum administrators to give Hunting posting permissions again as I'd like to know his response.


Before one of you guys starts replying to this post and pointing out the flaws in this "solution", let me say I am very much aware about the flaws in this "solution", for instance removing ANONIMUL from the clan will not guarantee that the members will not contact him to get new hacks, but like I said it just makes it less likely. All of your "solutions" have flaws, just like all of the solutions I sugested aswell. There is no perfect solution, so stop looking for one. Arguing about it won't change anything, just do what has to be done and get it over with. In the end, this big discussion all comes down to whether the server managers are capable of making the hard decisions that are necessary for the betterment of their servers. I've made mine.


TL;DR: This is no tl;dr, you either read it or you don't you lazy bums  ::)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: karan on July 21, 2016, 04:01:30 am
(https://s31.postimg.org/u9bi2ixuj/Screenshot_2016_07_21_09_27_56.png) 
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 21, 2016, 07:26:12 am
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I was expecting some idiot to come here with such bullshit and say that F1 creator was european, so predictable coming from someone as stupid as you.
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You're really stupid if you can't accept the fact that the original F1 hack that was distributed in 0.3 was made by Player787.
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Polack please, do not try to impersonate the most knowledgeable person in this community; you know shit about F1 and it's creation, kindly stop being an ignorant faggot.
aaand get the fuck out of here

(https://s31.postimg.org/u9bi2ixuj/Screenshot_2016_07_21_09_27_56.png)

your knowledge in terms of technicality is below 0 so don't even try arguing
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Skirmant on July 21, 2016, 09:10:20 am
18 pages of arguing about some irrelevant paki clan, VC:MP at it's finest.
This topic reminded me of the nostalgic Hackiharu saga (http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=3126.0)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 21, 2016, 01:23:21 pm
What i am gonna do about this oh well those who were caught for hacking they'll be banned same as Newk said 6 months is enough i guess and if they are going to evade it i'll increase ban and i'll keep increasing if you keep evading and that's up to them. however my staff saying there are few innocent ON members and they should get unban and i'll unban them but but ON is officially banned from EAD events forever, and if they want to do clan war with any clan they can do it but that clan need to think about it before doing any clan war with them. now whether you like or not i don't really care i am just doing what i should do i am not putting any personal matter in this post good bye.


WiLsOn out.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Charley on July 21, 2016, 06:17:04 pm
why do you want such a list, Charlie? Do you think that the 'main' servers haven't already decided what to do about this?

I could be wrong but I thought the primary points of this conversation were to:

A) Identify the wrongdoers
B) Identify what they did wrong
and C) Come to some sort of joint conclusion on how the wrongdoers should be punished.

Even if all the main servers have decided what to do to who, a list would still be useful for VU (remember, this is our forum) for when we host future events. Besides which, all management from the main servers are watching or contributing to this topic so it will influence their decisions.

Having said that, I don't really see the point in this topic anymore, because whilst theoretically it could have been a good way to make sense of this issue, it's just turned into a flamewar. People need to chill the fuck out.

I've added a poll to decide whether we should lock the topic.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 21, 2016, 06:33:39 pm
ON CLAN

Guilty list:

Hunting:
- sharing (?), doing nothing regarding the development and distribution of cheats, usage in private, maybe public as well
Anonimul:
- sharing, creating and using
Kakarot:
- sharing, doing nothing despite knowledge of such events (development/distribution) happening inside the clan, usage in private, maybe public as well
gh0st/kxz/voyaflex:
- sharing (to a large number), using, no actions despite knowledge
K.:
- no actions despite knowledge (sure), possibly sharing (?), usage in private, maybe public as well
EaZYMP5:
- using, sharing (?), no actions despite knowledge
Stealth:
- sharing (?), using, no actions despite knowledge
Garjoka:
- no actions despite knowledge, using/sharing (?)
Stonecold:
- brother of Kakarot, probably no actions despite knowledge, must be banned regardless
Rustam:
- usage. no actions despite knowledge

Unknown list:
- Moskvish (Tim)
- Gigabyte
- Sortex
- mad_dog

Innocent:
DSHARD
Wishwanath
Trex
Dez
Zeruel
Newton/Vatan


the list can be adjusted once new information is available

C)
debatable
i'm going to go with newk's version
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Charley on July 21, 2016, 06:42:52 pm
Thank you.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 21, 2016, 07:55:54 pm
i vouch for kamran innocence, despite his recent retarded activities ( impersonating of smoke2joints ) i still believe he wasn't involved in hacks sharing or using, as such no evidence can be found. his defending of ON was just a cause of loyalty which in the end he came to conclusion of whomever he was defending has been the real distributor of hacks so he left. he recently joined ON after rejection of his application here but 'de facto' ON management has been involved in hacks since start of year, nothing personal. he came to know about this after exposure of this topic created by krystianoo and recent debate on Wk photo session post. As ON management Hunting has already said that he wasn't given hacks even if he asked.

As Newk said

Why are the players  who leave [ON] being unbanned and the ones who stay aren't?
-Those players will only be unbanned if they didn't use/distribute the hacks, otherwise they will still be banned, except their ban duration will be 6 months instead of 1 year because they chose to distance themselves from the main source of the hacks(ANONIMUL). The players who choose to stay in the clan with ANONIMUL  there, are choosing to be associated with a person who created and distributed the hacks, which is why the ban duration for them is of 1 year.

In all situations, ANONIMUL gets a 1 year ban, for being the main cause in all of this.


ON CLAN

Guilty list:

K.:
- no actions  despite knowledge (?), possibly sharing (?)


"possibly" means you have no clue or hard evidence whatsoever to frame him, this is not valid conclusion to put him on guilty list. the concept of sharing hacks contradicts on hunting response to kamran about "he was asking for hacks (just to be sure) but i rejected his request" unfortunately i'm too lazy to find the quote myself

think about it. :)

Edit: those who rank this post as a 'brain donor" were involved in using hacks and are selfish assholes

Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 21, 2016, 08:50:32 pm
Not trying to frame him, he can claim what he wants but after a certain situation (ill elaborate further tomorrow) I'm pretty sure he knew about this. Evidence wise he didn't share which is why I put (?) in my prev post
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 21, 2016, 08:54:32 pm
Not trying to frame him, he can claim what he wants but after a certain situation (ill elaborate further tomorrow) I'm pretty sure he knew about this. Evidence wise he didn't share which is why I put (?) in my prev post

then he is in the wrong category 'guilty'. would you mind fixing that?

lets suppose if he got a hint from someone about this hack agenda but he wasn't sure so he didn't argued on it without solid evidence on his own. keeping in silence a crime is a crime itself but without solid evidence you're just bumping into the hard brick wall without knowing how to break it. given the circumstances, it was in his best interest not to speak on it before this crack happened here.

innocent until proven guilty
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 22, 2016, 06:39:20 am
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Ff6TBAHV.png&hash=22ec520602ba874a75f52e08b8a065d4c9e12c19)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: karan on July 22, 2016, 07:21:44 am
Not trying to frame him, he can claim what he wants but after a certain situation (ill elaborate further tomorrow) I'm pretty sure he knew about this. Evidence wise he didn't share which is why I put (?) in my prev post

then he is in the wrong category 'guilty'. would you mind fixing that?

lets suppose if he got a hint from someone about this hack agenda but he wasn't sure so he didn't argued on it without solid evidence on his own. keeping in silence a crime is a crime itself but without solid evidence you're just bumping into the hard brick wall without knowing how to break it. given the circumstances, it was in his best interest not to speak on it before this crack happened here.

innocent until proven guilty
Why are you poking your nose in this thread anyways, you don't even know any ON member so personally, do you? see dude, this thread was made because they always had upper hand on us because of illegal modifications, you don't even play DM that much, i only see you wiping other's ass since 2011 and now too, i don't bother calling you a clan hopper, if you're trying to seek attention by being cool here, you're embarrassing yourself sir.

Coming to the thread, well i guess so there's no harm in allowing a few innocent members of them to play with us in servers, Wishwanath is clear, he's a kid who picked a wrong crew, Zeruel is clear too, and i know everything about Kakarot and rest so i won't say anything, you guys know better what to do..

Actually,lol
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3GxQgO2.jpg&hash=69b3a1190994c8a4c5c748e2307130a7abb096c0)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 22, 2016, 07:28:06 am
Why are you poking your nose in this thread anyways, you don't even know any ON member so personally, do you? see dude, this thread was made because they always had upper hand on us because of illegal modifications, you don't even play DM that much, i only see you wiping other's ass since 2011 and now too, i don't bother calling you a clan hopper, if you're trying to seek attention by being cool here, you're embarrassing yourself sir.
My answer to your argument is:
your knowledge in terms of technicality is below 0 so don't even try arguing


now serious stuff:

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Ff6TBAHV.png&hash=22ec520602ba874a75f52e08b8a065d4c9e12c19)

interesting... look at the date and i'm sure that those are the words of hunting, he's trying put up a weak logic. anyway i'll look into it too.

his defending of ON was just a cause of loyalty which in the end he came to conclusion of whomever he was defending has been the real distributor of hacks so he left.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 22, 2016, 07:32:07 am
why are you pasting my quote which was directed to ethan in the first place?
this message of "K." is enough to put him in my suspect list
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 22, 2016, 07:36:32 am
why are you pasting my quote which was directed to ethan in the first place?
this message of "K." is enough to put him in my suspect list

Alright, i'm just putting up the facts, however i cannot change your mind and i don't want to intrude into your suspect list. just give it a thought, because i see you're still confused about his actions, the (?) sign proves it.
this topic on kamran should not be discussed further.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: karan on July 22, 2016, 07:38:33 am
why are you pasting my quote which was directed to ethan in the first place?
this message of "K." is enough to put him in my suspect list

Alright, i'm just putting up the facts, however i cannot change your mind and i don't want to intrude into your suspect list. just give it a thought, because i see you're still confused about his actions, the (?) sign proves it.
this topic on kamran should not be discussed further.
can't you just fuck off if you have nothing to do rather than quoting other's word..
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Thomas on July 22, 2016, 07:50:13 am
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNe51Gx5.jpg&hash=68f4639a26286a6795266fa305c017642fa38655)
yes
what are you afraid of? that i might prove how ignorant you are? oh wait! everyone knows that.
shit man..
your knowledge in terms of technicality is below 0 so don't even try arguing
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 22, 2016, 07:53:34 am
i have it on very good authority that he knew about this
he's going to stay in the guilty list
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Milko on July 22, 2016, 08:42:16 am
<%morphine> !afk drink coffee + scratch ballz
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: KakaroT on July 22, 2016, 12:04:38 pm
Here is proper list, being honest.

ON CLAN


Hunting:
- sharing (?), doing nothing regarding the development and distribution of cheats, usage in private, maybe public as well

Anonimul:
- sharing, creating and using

Kakarot:
- sharing, doing nothing despite knowledge of such events (development/distribution) happening inside the clan, usage in private, maybe public as well

gh0st/kxz/voyaflex:
- sharing (to a large number), using, no actions despite knowledge

K.:
- no actions despite knowledge (sure), possibly sharing (?), usage in private, maybe public as well But he wasn't ever given hacks since the incident of kxz sharing hacks was done before he became ON. So he is innocent. Maybe he got from someone in the clan but no proof is to be found.

EaZYMP5:
- using, sharing (?), no actions despite knowledge Caught using Widescreen.

Stealth:
-sharing (possibly after leaving ON he might have shared with other players. Though no proof), using, no actions despite knowledge.
Edit: He wasn't given hacks neither used (confirmed). The video showing Rustam and stealth wall glitching in ec, he didn't have hacks. So listed as innocent.
logs:
Code: [Select]
[17:35:18]  Private (to StealtH^): did you share wallhack to anyone else ?
[17:35:30]  Private: StealtH^: lol
[17:35:33]  Private: StealtH^: i don't have wallhack
[17:35:54]  Private (to StealtH^): you did have. You were caught using it in ec
[17:36:00]  Private: StealtH^: nope
[17:36:11]  Private: StealtH^: just rustam was using it
[17:36:20]  Private: StealtH^: i was just shot
[17:36:28]  Private: StealtH^: i wasn(t using using anything
-Confirmed from members that he wasn't given hack by anyone.

Garjoka:
- no actions despite knowledge, using/sharing (?) He is innocent (correct me if he was caught using hacks).

Stonecold:
- brother of Kakarot, probably no actions despite knowledge, must be banned regardless Since he is innocent but will have to bear ban with me as we share same PC.

Rustam:
- usage. no actions despite knowledge


Innocent ONs and Ex-Ons:

DSHARD -> ON
Wishwanath -> ON
Trex -> ON
Dez -> ON
Zeruel -> ON
Newton/Vatan -> ex-ON
StoneCold -> ON (but as stated above he will be bearing ban with me).
Moskvish (tim) -> ex-ON
Hyperzon2 -> ex-ON
GigAByTe/Emi -> ex-ON
Sortex*-> ex-ON
mad_dog -> ex-ON
HARIS -> ex-ON
Garjoka/Stoner - ex-ON
Kamran/K -> ex-ON
Stealth -> ex-ON

Other players who have these hacks:

[uf]Chernobyl:
-Having F1, got from KxZ/gh0st/voyaflex (was caught using it in EC)

Awaix:
-F1, got form Chernobyl/KxZ as he was in group chat when kxz shared to chernobyl + he admitted himself that he was there (wasn't caught using it).

Harish:
-Wall Hack, got from Kxz.
Proof:
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FgcopDGQ.jpg&hash=f26e25f2ed6bbce5563f6ae9cfe1ad98fb8b84ef)

=Rk=Terrorboy:
-Wall Hack, got from Kxz.
Proof:
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8Gy4CDV.jpg&hash=c9ca85772ae260ffe8c36c2a8025f6053fb9da1a)
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F6t0SW9l.jpg&hash=05dd1728c6cd2f417c1029fdf74a505f50abdfaa)

Other Suspects:
TLK.beatz, Thunderstorm and other Indian team members. 2 of their members (Harish and terrorboy) were given hacks, so possibly they were shared to others.



@Thomas, it will be last of my reply to you. Kamran was told not to fight on forums and we will handle things but he kept doing so (not our problem). And made more problems for himself and for us. Kamran thought we weren't even trying to get innocent ONs unbanned and he left ON so he don't get banned for what he hadn't done.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: krystianoo on July 22, 2016, 12:42:24 pm
like any of us can trust your words after x posts of lies and no admittance rofl



K.
usage in private, no actions despite knowledge
Eazymp5:
using (widescreen fix minimum), no actions despite knowledge, sharing - unknown

evidence can be provided to server / event administrators


my only doubt is Garjoka however I've asked your leader and he said he isn't innocent
so what, when are you guys going to get your statements to not conflict with themselves?

I also find it funny you say 'no proof' yet you accuse Beatz, etcetra. of having cheats without providing evidence yourself
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: KakaroT on July 22, 2016, 12:55:04 pm
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like any of us can trust your words after x posts of lies and no admittance rofl
???

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K.
usage in private
No proof is found, if he used in private or even own any of those hacks.

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Eazymp5:
using (widescreen fix minimum), no actions despite knowledge, sharing - unknown
Added.

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I also find it funny you say 'no proof' yet you accuse Beatz, etcetra. of having cheats without providing evidence yourself
No proof is why they are in suspect list. And if you even read that full line, it is explained why they are in suspect list.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: WiLsOn on July 22, 2016, 01:08:48 pm
Boring.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Niko on July 22, 2016, 03:26:04 pm
Boring.
Yes
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Amal on July 22, 2016, 03:44:46 pm
my only doubt is Garjoka however I've asked your leader and he said he isn't innocent
garjoka was caught pressing f1 in servers but we cant assure that he doesnt use f1 as his recording key.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 22, 2016, 03:59:16 pm
my only doubt is Garjoka however I've asked your leader and he said he isn't innocent
garjoka was caught pressing f1 in servers but we cant assure that he doesnt use f1 as his recording key.

Simple. If this was recently, ask him to upload the videos he was recording. (https://viceunderdogs.com/Themes/ViceUnderdogs/images/ratings/funny2.png)
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: ferrari32 on July 22, 2016, 07:29:44 pm
You say we can't prove someone guilty, though you can't prove someone innocent as well, can you? :P
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: stormeus on July 22, 2016, 08:11:26 pm
You say we can't prove someone guilty, though you can't prove someone innocent as well, can you? :P

That's why we generally rule on guilty and not guilty, rather than guilty and innocent. The implications are different. Some systems also have "not proven."
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Dr.Shawn on July 23, 2016, 03:52:59 am
I think I will just Rate the Skills of the person above me (http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=97.msg81047#new) here
because Like wilson siad
Boring.
stromeus ownage skillz 10/10
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Sora_Blue on July 23, 2016, 04:11:13 am
stromeus ownage skillz 10/10
Had 0.07 kill/death ratio on SvM.
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: Dr.Shawn on July 23, 2016, 11:56:06 am
Getting owned skills maybe ? Nvm my bad
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: TheKing on July 24, 2016, 04:21:40 pm
Why is this still not locked?
Title: Re: [ON] clan - a bunch of cheaters?
Post by: morphine on July 24, 2016, 04:23:17 pm
 :o :o :o

Oh mystical powers of the heavens! I call thou to place a lock upon the cursed thread that we have here!



Edit by mystical powers of the heavens: thine request hast been verily accepteth.