Debate- MDs is this Warp/lag/or hack

[Sora_Blue]

You do realize that widescreen was basically the same effect as F1 back in 0.3z.

You got banned for F1 or not?
Every player may has ban history for hacks, even you. So we don't need to blame others history if they can change.

Casper got accepted in vu after all his hacks history, because VU gave him a chance because believing he can improve his history. (This is just an example). We did kick many players for  usage of hacks. And about Zaim stuff, [MDd]tag is not official for MD, so any person can use it and we can't tell him to not wear it as it's not a clan tag.

FoV aka widescreen, the F1 allegation came after Abdi posted a edited conversation in which he left out that I tested F1 on a private EAF server that I was hosting at the time.

[(PaK)DeViL_JiN]

Hell i'm wasting my time with many brain donors here, keep talking i will just read and eat popcorn

Don't waste your time watch my video as I'm waiting for your comment on my video

[Vedder]

[ripmemes]

http://littlewhiteys.com/index.php?topic=18714.0

Fear god if you you believe on it

that ban was issued when I was 9 years old lol

[ZAiM]

http://littlewhiteys.com/index.php?topic=18714.0

Fear god if you you believe on it

that ban was issued when I was 9 years old lol

wow nice Sora_Blue xD , You Guys Have A Fucking Hacking history Like Me. don't react that you never hacked and got banned.

i am talking to @biozcalhoun and @Sora_Blue

[(PaK)DeViL_JiN]

http://littlewhiteys.com/index.php?topic=18714.0

Fear god if you you believe on it

that ban was issued when I was 9 years old lol

wow nice Sora_Blue xD , You Guys Have A Fucking Hacking history Like Me. don't react that you never hacked and got banned.

i am talking to @biozcalhoun and @Sora_Blue

Count me too in your list btw

[ripmemes]

http://littlewhiteys.com/index.php?topic=18714.0

Fear god if you you believe on it

that ban was issued when I was 9 years old lol

wow nice Sora_Blue xD , You Guys Have A Fucking Hacking history Like Me. don't react that you never hacked and got banned.

i am talking to @biozcalhoun and @Sora_Blue

Wait you mean I hacked too?
ey listen, don't disrespect people who are old and well know at this community for their experience. I personally had the same weird gameplay with MD. they were unhittable. Not aiming to be cocky towards MD but that's weird and never seen before. Hunting mentioned a lag tool made by lithjoe and another person in LWs. I tried to get the link for the topic I couldn't find it. And for you Zaim just please stop flaming and insulting. Everybody make mistakes. Me, brian, calhoun and many more and we're not proud of it. Just stop saying no-sense shit. I'm sure there's something that has relation to the case.

[Sora_Blue]

Hunting mentioned a lag tool made by lithjoe and another person in LWs. I tried to get the link for the topic I couldn't find it.

FFB trainer however I'm not posting it here for obvious reasons.
However, to give you an idea how extreme this tool can be.

He's shooting at a place I was at 3 seconds ago as I'm just running circles around him.
Azal himself can explicitly state how extreme this tool is.

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[13:07] <Zeeshan> are you talking about those bullets?
[13:07] <Zeeshan> aim changed to right side
04[13:07] <Brian> No
[13:07] <Zeeshan> then?
04[13:07] <Brian> I told Azal to try to hit me while I was running around
04[13:07] <Brian> That's were he shot
04[13:08] <Brian> And I'm already behind him
[13:08] <Zeeshan> hmm
04[13:08] <Brian> You see what I mean with lag tool?
04[13:08] <Brian> I'm at a entirely different place
04[13:08] <Brian> Than where he is aiming
[13:08] <Zeeshan> hmm
04[13:08] <Brian> To the point I can even backstab him while he sees me infront of him
04[13:09] <Brian> If I were to shoot him at that position
04[13:09] <Brian> This tool would immediately end that desync/lag
04[13:09] <Brian> and sync me behind him with the shooting animation
04[13:09] <Brian> Until I start running again
[13:10] <Zeeshan> oh i got it now
04[13:10] <Brian> There's literally no way to counter thisZeeshan is also aware of the existence of this tool.

[Azal]

Hunting mentioned a lag tool made by lithjoe and another person in LWs. I tried to get the link for the topic I couldn't find it.

FFB trainer however I'm not posting it here for obvious reasons.
However, to give you an idea how extreme this tool can be.

He's shooting at a place I was at 3 seconds ago as I'm just running circles around him.
Azal himself can explicitly state how extreme this tool is.

Yes, we have tested this tool with some rather disturbing results, and i did also manage to tweak the settings to get a more 'effective' result, however this tool was sent to Stormeus for further examination (Indirectly) and i am waiting for a response from him.

Secondly; [SS]Gohan/Berkely can also state the severe effects of this tool on the game, as he has tested this tool with me.

[Sora_Blue]

Yes, we have tested this tool with some rather disturbing results, and i did also manage to tweak the settings to get a more 'effective' result, however this tool was sent to Stormeus for further examination (Indirectly) and i am waiting for a response from him.

Secondly; [SS]Gohan/Berkely can also state the severe effects of this tool on the game, as he has tested this tool with me.

I can vouch for more testing on this as I have found effective results as well.

[FuRo[X]o]

Ok here I go,I just want to say that Me,=KF=MAZE,=F2=Killer_FrosT,=F2=Frodo,KillerX ,=F2=Wild_HunteR,Signature,Beast,Sharabi and some others are from Kohat too and "some" MD's are from kohat.But we dont lagg like them its more easy to kill us than them.Ok ok Dark_Wolf and Madkiller often uses to say that "its our city problem" then why Kody,ReX.Mechanic laggs like hell too? Actually its a lagg tool and i know who has created it.The point is they laggs same as 30 fps user whereas they plays on 60 fps strange huh?
I think the members of this clan should be banned in every server and or either admins should distribute this hack among us so that they come to know "how fucking hard is it to kill MD's".......

[(PaK)DeViL_JiN]

Ok here I go,I just want to say that Me,=KF=MAZE,=F2=Killer_FrosT,=F2=Frodo,KillerX ,=F2=Wild_HunteR,Signature,Beast,Sharabi and some others are from Kohat too and "some" MD's are from kohat.But we dont lagg like them its more easy to kill us than them.Ok ok Dark_Wolf and Madkiller often uses to say that "its our city problem" then why Kody,ReX.Mechanic laggs like hell too? Actually its a lagg tool and i know who has created it.The point is they laggs same as 30 fps user whereas they plays on 60 fps strange huh?
I think the members of this clan should be banned in every server and or either admins should distribute this hack among us so that they come to know "how fucking hard is it to kill MD's".......

Exactly my point, the thing here is pretty much clear they tell everyone it's their internet while during gameplay their ping stays stable, but they react move wander around not getting hit by bullets not a tiny bit.
today I experimented another thing which I would like to explain some of the people who still think it's their lag, I'm working on another video regarding latency lag or in other words ping in games in general to give you guys an idea what actually happens at both ends if internet gets unstable or there is more load on it than it can handle, or simply the ping rises more than normal level.
also to mention here if it's possible and suits to the cause I would like to have some experiments with the tool you are mentioning @Sora_Blue if it's possible, I've already sent you my contact details in the PM.

[ripmemes]

Ok here I go,I just want to say that Me,=KF=MAZE,=F2=Killer_FrosT,=F2=Frodo,KillerX ,=F2=Wild_HunteR,Signature,Beast,Sharabi and some others are from Kohat too and "some" MD's are from kohat.But we dont lagg like them its more easy to kill us than them.Ok ok Dark_Wolf and Madkiller often uses to say that "its our city problem" then why Kody,ReX.Mechanic laggs like hell too? Actually its a lagg tool and i know who has created it.The point is they laggs same as 30 fps user whereas they plays on 60 fps strange huh?
I think the members of this clan should be banned in every server and or either admins should distribute this hack among us so that they come to know "how fucking hard is it to kill MD's".......

Exactly my point, the thing here is pretty much clear they tell everyone it's their internet while during gameplay their ping stays stable, but they react move wander around not getting hit by bullets not a tiny bit.
today I experimented another thing which I would like to explain some of the people who still think it's their lag, I'm working on another video regarding latency lag or in other words ping in games in general to give you guys an idea what actually happens at both ends if internet gets unstable or there is more load on it than it can handle, or simply the ping rises more than normal level.
also to mention here if it's possible and suits to the cause I would like to have some experiments with the tool you are mentioning @Sora_Blue if it's possible, I've already sent you my contact details in the PM.

Yeha that's pretty good, but is it easy to detect? this is the question to ask. what are the factors that allow us to know whether they use that tool or not(like in aimlock: immediate rotation and following the head) and as I saw in hunting's post it was like it injectes in the game. so can it be detectable by script?

[(PaK)DeViL_JiN]

Yeha that's pretty good, but is it easy to detect? this is the question to ask. what are the factors that allow us to know whether they use that tool or not(like in aimlock: immediate rotation and following the head) and as I saw in hunting's post it was like it injectes in the game. so can it be detectable by script?

it's pretty easy to detect visibly , whenever you see a player who has normal ping which stays normal for the most of time try to wait for it to refresh on F5 board  and check his fps if both of these things are stable and the guy is acting weird like he is lagging or he has fps drops he is using it.
I don't know what more brings this sort of weirdness in your gameplay maybe in future we could solve this issue but for now we have to wait or at-least look for the symptoms.
our community is growing day by day and yet the client is getting more stable day by day so I think nothing can be achieved in over a night and who knows after fix of this issue we might have something new to work on.
in simple word it's a chain it will go on like this forever , people will find ways to get advantage and developers will keep on working on anti-cheat to keep game fair.

[Milko]

There's a guy on LW named [JW]3laWi or something like that. He's suspicious af, being unhittable and his ping is below 100, which is more than obvious not legit. Any idea on what he could be using?

/edit: Months ago I was mocking LW staff saying I used lag hack, but that wasn't actually hacking. I was using my USB soundcard and changed sound processing via game options, which happened to stress out my CPU instead. xD
Though I think that was before the actual lag hack was created.