Vice Underdogs
Vice Underdogs Recruitment => Denied Applications => Topic started by: Ülker on May 25, 2023, 03:02:02 pm
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Nick: Ulker / Ulkz0r
Age: 23
Timezone/Country: United Kingdom | GMT ± 0
Previous Nicks: iNs.Ulker, [VU]Ulker and [VU]Ulkz0r
Additional Comments: Greetings to you all once again. I don't believe that I need to introduce myself as we’re all very well familiarised with each other over the course of 2 years that we were clanmates. It was 3 years ago today when I first applied to VU, and now I return with the genuine regret of my initial farewell, followed by a valuable lesson learned and now the honest intension of rejoining the Vice Underdogs as an esteemed member of the clan.
To begin I would like to start off with my account of the events that unfolded around this time last year that lead me to make this severe lapse in judgement. Although this was all just over a year ago, most of it feels like a fever dream now but I will genuinely do my best to state the events as accurately and with as much detail as I remember them. I may have honestly forgotten or gotten some things wrong so please feel free to add or fix anything.
I left VU on the 13th of April 2022 after stating my disappointment with both the underlying lack of passion and devotion of the clan towards VC:MP and the at the time recent lack of care and coordination of the Administration Circle in handling the leak of VU's private Discord channels - which we believed to have lasted for over 2 years if it still hasn't been resolved since my departure. This would have not only been an immoral invasion of our privacy but furthermore a massive breach of our strategies during clan wars and tournaments. I tried my best to get everyone in the Circle to take serious action as soon as possible, however after 2 weeks of not even the start of conversations I felt the need to take things into my own hands. I told Ferrari and a few others of my idea of joining TLA to not only report back any information that could help us uncover the identity of the leaker within our ranks but to also act as a preventive measure to never allow this catastrophe to happen again. Of course Ferrari immediately denied the idea it was completely against our constitution and ethos, and moreover just morally awful. I didn't listen to him and recklessly left the clan to carry out my plan anyway. Although I left VU with this malicious intension, I soon got to actually meet TLA's roster where I realised that they were all good people who themselves were bystanders to VU's leak. This realisation was what caused me to have a change of heart and attempt to join TLA as an actual member instead, but by then it was already too late as Ferrari had reasonably informed the Administration Circle of what I told him and they rightfully made the decision to inform Juan of what was coming when I applied. I was left with no choice but to withdraw my application and thought I would leave VC:MP forever, but alas here we are today.
When I returned to the community late of last year I apologised to Juan once again for my actions and doubled down on wanting to join TLA but I had understandably lost their trust beyond repair. So that brings us to now. Since then my interest in VC:MP too has dimmed down and can’t really imagine it coming back to what it was with the current state of the game. I guess it was my fate as a true VU to eventually grow out of VC:MP, but unlike others my wrongdoing was to not “retire” with my clanmates.
I will now continue by explaining what has changed since these incidents and why I want to rejoin the clan. To be completely honest, I still believe that VU's underlying problems still exist, or to put it bluntly, the clan is dying but only because the game itself is. The best example of this for me would be how VCTT had to be cancelled due to players losing interest before the event even properly began, and even before then how only 5 out of the 8 required teams applied and 3 out of 5 of those teams consisted of a union of multiple clans as most individual clans these days simply don't have enough active members to participate independently. Although the circumstances are still the same, what’s different now is my outlook on it. I was completely in the wrong to do what I did and I’m genuinely sorry to both you guys for not dealing with the situation as a collective and to TLA for the lies and malicious intensions. I am however almost completely certain on who the leaker was and how he carried it out. I would be lying if I didn't say that I still hate him for what he did.
Most VUs have moved on with their lives, now I have too as I'm just reaching the end of my first year at Uni. Even though there’s not much as much that I could contribute to the clan now, I’m always still ready to put the Vice Underdogs first and adapt for any unexpected resurgence like what we had during the Covid-19 quarantine. *Saying this, VCCnR is looking to making a comeback with a fresh new start, so I'm looking forward to taking over the server like the good old with my fellow VUCnRs, and overall having a great time together just like before.
As much as I would love to pick up where I left off as a Full Member and a contributing member of the Administration of the clan, I'm absolutely aware of how unrealistic that is and would be happy to just have the opportunity to earn everyone's forgiveness and return to my family. On a deeper note I think that the root cause of all this was that I got way too overconfident, but the past half a year of being removed from the VCAD and VCTT staff teams, and temporarily removed from the RTV staff team has definitely humbled me. But all in all I really miss being with you guys, whether that being in VC:MP, other games, or just casually chatting together on Discord.
I think that covers just about everything I wanted to say. If there's any conversations and / or questions any of you have, please feel free to either post them on this application or contact me directly via Discord DMs @Ülker#1999 where I've resent all of you friend requests.
Thank you all for your time and consideration.
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Full Rookie
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Fullker
edit: i changed my mind.. rookie
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Full, no doubt
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Full.
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caught in 4k
(https://i.imgur.com/ay0wr1d.png)
The best example of this for me would be how VCTT had to be cancelled due to players losing interest before the event even properly began...
Sorry, that was just bad organization.
Nevertheless, all the best.
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caught in 4k
100% agre
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chatgpt finally evolving
on a serious note: i have changed my vote to no after finding out ulker's application is written using chadgpt (real)
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caught in 4k
100% agre
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/476964338297733121/1111367333991170078/image.png)
chatgpt finally evolving
Bro technically, ChatGPT is not wrong, cuz it just wrote it this way: (https://i.imgur.com/dkqITnF.png)
Well, let's just not ruin Ulker's application by our casual chit chat.
@Ulker, all the best for your application mate! :thumbsup:
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Bro technically, ChatGPT is not wrong, cuz it just wrote it this way: (https://i.imgur.com/dkqITnF.png)
it didnt tho, i wrote it initially
plus:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/724287871774752800/1111370665124188304/image.png)
chill, its edited (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/476964338297733121/1111364944575877140/Screenshot_20230525-234724.png)
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Well, let's just not ruin Ulker's application by our casual chit chat.
You're right bro.
Let's ruin with some logs instead!
(https://i.imgur.com/V3wztGy.png)
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Turns out Royu was right.
(love you Royuu (full homo))
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caught in 4k
100% agre
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/476964338297733121/1111367333991170078/image.png)
chatgpt finally evolving
Bro technically, ChatGPT is not wrong, cuz it just wrote it this way: (https://i.imgur.com/dkqITnF.png)
Well, let's just not ruin Ulker's application by our casual chit chat.
@Ulker, all the best for your application mate! :thumbsup:
Thank you man, I appreciate it ❤️
@Xmair @Spiller as for you two, funny but...
(https://i.imgur.com/BY8jthq.gif)
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man stop posting edited bs
we all know i dont make mistakse when i type
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(https://i.imgur.com/BY8jthq.gif)
Yes its time to stop.
Time for you to stop posting edited screenshots of Xmair.
(https://i.imgur.com/XDKU4yD.png)
Broooo I have question, if I give you choice you can either be VU or RTV staff.
What you choice? Answer CARfully, my vote depends on it.
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Thank you man, I appreciate it ❤️
@Xmair @Spiller as for you two, funny but...
(https://i.imgur.com/BY8jthq.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/24xkX8Q.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/51eyrQm.png)
i got paid good amount to photoshop this tbh
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Full member without a doubt it’s good to see you again.
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I am sorry to say but vote is inclining towards a negative decision, mainly due to unpleasant nature of your comments after VCAD staff refused to reinstate your rank. Despite my good intentions & efforts, you continued to make fun of me implying that I may have leaked our chat in VU private channels to have a laugh.
Overall, I have observed unpleasant and disrespectful behaviour towards me and both my clan from your side after your departure, which deeply concerns me.
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I am sorry to say but vote is inclining towards a negative decision, mainly due to unpleasant nature of your comments after VCAD staff refused to reinstate your rank. Despite my good intentions & efforts, you continued to make fun of me implying that I may have leaked our chat in VU private channels to have a laugh.
Overall, I have observed unpleasant and disrespectful behaviour towards me and both my clan from your side after your departure, which deeply concerns me.
That's more than fair enough.
Honestly speaking I was really emotional for a while after tough times in life piled on with everything that happened last year, but that was no excuse for me to have spoken so inappropriately and acted immaturely like that to you, rest of VU, in VCAD and in RTV. I just read over all of our Discord DMs from that conversation and was genuinely cringing at myself the entire time.
I'm sorry for all of it Siez, really. I wish I could have never said any of it and take it all back but unfortunately we're long past that point now. All I can do from now on is promise you that it won't ever happen again and let my future actions prove that to you and the rest of VU.
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You are very innocent.
good luck.
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Full :thumbsup:
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Vote: No.
Reason: I don't trust you.
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You are very innocent.
good luck.
I'm not sure about that one lol, but thanks for the support.
Vote: No.
Reason: I don't trust you.
I understand, thank you for voicing your opinion.
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Full Member.
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bol şanslar kardeşim, tekrardan VU ya gireceğine eminim :)
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About 2 years ago I suppose, Ulker decided to throw VU's constitution and ethos in the trash and pursue a cancerous idea, one which defies the whole purpose of this very clan.
This clan was built for two purposes;
-To create a formidable group of people skilled in the game, but more importantly, for it to be a group of decent, fair playing individuals
-To further the community, positive behavior, fair play, and to promote activity and competition
We have over the years taken these goals very seriously, and have worked towards making this little corner of the internet just as comfortable for like-minded individuals as we were able to.
What Ulker did goes against everything this clan stands for. Henceforth, I don't consider him to ever have been an actual Vice Underdog.
The story goes like this;
-Ulker was promoted to full member and got access to the administrative boards and channels of the clan
-A forum breach was detected by an unknown party, certain data was leaked outside of the clan, and an admin investigation was ongoing
-Ulker devised a cancerous scheme, with the pre-meditated goal of infiltrating the TLA clan due to suspicions of their involvement. He attempted to plead with members of the clan including myself for permission and support in this goal
-His pleads were repedeatedly rejected, as we as a collective do not wish to take part in actions that aim to tear the community apart, we prefer to help it grow
-Ulker rejected our negative opinions and decided to work his plan out on his own
-Our clan notified TLA's leader, Juan about Ulker's true intentions
-We came to an agreement, Ulker was given an ultimatum. He was to withdraw his application to TLA, and promise not to apply to VU again in the future. If he did the opposite, all the information regarding his transgressions would be made public. This is what's happening right now.
Our aim was to not tarnish his reputation in public, and allow him to proceed in his own direction, due to us not wanting to have anything to do with such a mindset.
I'll be posting the original evidence below.
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Obviously I am voting no. This team, including myself, have worked and devoted themselves to this community of ours for, in some cases, literal decades. You're not part of what we've envisioned, and in my eyes it would be an insult to this clan to go down in history with your name on the list. I trust every clanmate that values the principles we were built on will do what's right.
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Thank you for your reply Ferr. I gather that you've confirmed and added onto the first half of the additional comments section of my application. As per mentioned:
Although this was all just over a year ago, most of it feels like a fever dream now but I will genuinely do my best to state the events as accurately and with as much detail as I remember them. I may have honestly forgotten or gotten some things wrong so please feel free to add or fix anything.
I had genuinely forgotten about this "ultimatum" and although it was essentially blackmail as you said, I personally don't see it as any issue as the primary purpose of this app was for me to come clean with the whole truth to the community, as well as to rejoin VU. I want to make things right in everyway that I possibly can.
This all looks terrible with the screenshots that you've included, with the plain and honest reason being that it was. I don't think I can ever apologise enough for all the trouble I caused everyone, but I can look to working around this to make things right. Similarly to what I replied to Siez, it's painful looking back and seeing what a fool I was spewing all that nonsense - but nonetheless a healthy reminder.
Although I see eye to eye with you on everything that I've said thus far, there are a couple of things that you've stated which I must say I disagree with. These are the following:
Henceforth, I don't consider him to ever have been an actual Vice Underdog.
These "cancerous" actions that I took last year, although were a singular collective are some of the most severe in VU's history. Up until that point, I wholeheartedly believe that I not only contributed countless efforts towards the clan, but moreover stood out as an esteemed member of the Vice Underdogs. I cannot and will not ever justify what I did by comparing myself to anyone else who's been forgiven for their wrongdoings - but I have to say that it's not an unforgiveable sin. In hindsight I can clearly see what I've done wrong and such a grave mistake won't ever happen again. This is a valuable lesson that I have definitely learned the hard way.
You're not part of what we've envisioned, and in my eyes it would be an insult to this clan to go down in history with your name on the list. I trust every clanmate that values the principles we were built on will do what's right.
As per one of the core values and principles of the Vice Underdogs I would instead urge for everyone to make a well informed decision considering everything presented in this matter. Personally, I don't think that 'trusting every clanmate to do what's right' quite sounds right. I fully believe that each and everyone's own opinions are valuable, and so should be voiced and considered as such - regardless of them being positive or negative.
I just want to say one final thing. If I were to rejoin the clan I'd be having fun with our friends, spending our free times on VC:MP and other games that we all enjoy, all whilst upholding the constitution and ethos of the clan that we're all a part of. All in all, with your blessing I want to move on from this ugly past and into a fresh new chapter.
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I fully agree that you made the right decision at the time and that it was for the best, that's why I don't "hate" you for anything man. You said it yourself, I will eventually see what this community can be and try it make it better, not worse.
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I believe in your sincerity, and I think that sometimes our decisions must not label the whole of us. You did horrible misdeeds, but everyone needs a second chance.
Nonetheless, I will change my vote from Full to Trainee. Considering all the gloomy circumstances that surround you and your application, it is more than neccesary that you do the full route all the way up as a Trainee in case of joining us again.
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ulker fucking spy wannabe, i vote VU_R :thumbsup:
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I'm not sure about that one lol, but thanks for the support.
Hopefully now you understand why i called you "Innocent" 🤣🤣 Everyone knew about your plans right after your announcement of leaving VU.
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Sorry no.
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Sorry no.
No worries, thank you for your time.
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Good luck amigo!
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Ulker arkadasim, voting Full member O0
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As much as I would love to pick up where I left off as a Full Member and a contributing member of the Administration of the clan
There are certain things that you earn back, not ask for them.
You are my good friend but for what you did, I am voting No.
For VU, clan ethos are the first priority and were disobeyed by a full member.
I would say I don’t want it be an example that even if you disobey VU clan ethos you can get back in easily.
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As much as I would love to pick up where I left off as a Full Member and a contributing member of the Administration of the clan
There are certain things that you earn back, not ask for them.
You are my good friend but for what you did, I am voting No.
For VU, clan ethos are the first priority and were disobeyed by a full member.
I would say I don’t want it be an example that even if you disobey VU clan ethos you can get back in easily.
I know you're hella busy these days so I apprecate you for taking some of your time to read my app. I understand and I couldn't agree with you more that VU's constitution and ethos should always be our top priority, especially when making important decisions, and I assure you that no matter the result I will continue to uphold these values.
Even if it wasn't meant to be this time around I can promise you all that I won't give up on regaining your trust no matter what, no matter how long it takes.
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You've made that same promise to TLA as well, funny how things turn out.
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You've made that same promise to TLA as well, funny how things turn out.
Yeah I had a feeling you'd say something about that part as I was writing it, and I'm glad you did. As for my response: in all honesty I truly did believe it when I told them that at the time, it was only after the unanimous feedback that they'd never trust me again when I let go - as per mentioned in my additional comments.
When I returned to the community late of last year I apologised to Juan once again for my actions and doubled down on wanting to join TLA but I had understandably lost their trust beyond repair.
I had already upset them so much and didn't want to disrupt and bother them anymore, the message was loud and clear. Additionally, so many of them advised me to rejoin VU. That's no understatement, this opinion was shared by almost everyone. It was this that got me to realise the true extent of what I had done and what I needed to do to make things right again, and where my real home in VC:MP always was and always will be.
None of this is at all to say that I haven't caused the same overwhelming disappointment here, and granted I don't know what the private polls are looking like since I can only see the votes of those who've publicly voted and / or directly talked to me in our DMs, but I'm grateful from the feedback so far that there are those who do still have faith in me as this gives me more than enough hope both for now and the future. I won't let them down, nor will I give up on regaining the trust of those who aren't quite ready yet. That includes you my mentor.
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I might be wrong, but everyone deserve a 1 chance in a whole lifetime at least once for whatever they wish to get. Hope everything gets better for everyone here. ^-^ :thumbsup:
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I'm not aware to what happens in this forum since I prefer to use Discord most of the time. I didn't know the reason of your departure and didn't care tbh but thinking after what Ferrari has written I'd say no.
I'm very sorry.
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I'm not aware to what happens in this forum since I prefer to use Discord most of the time. I didn't know the reason of your departure and didn't care tbh but thinking after what Ferrari has written I'd say no.
I'm very sorry.
It's alright man you have nothing to apologise for and I respect your vote. I just hope you read the app and my responses to everyone too.
As per one of the core values and principles of the Vice Underdogs I would instead urge for everyone to make a well informed decision considering everything presented in this matter. Personally, I don't think that 'trusting every clanmate to do what's right' quite sounds right. I fully believe that each and everyone's own opinions are valuable, and so should be voiced and considered as such - regardless of them being positive or negative.
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Each person makes mistakes it's normal to make mistakes what's worse is repeating them, I believe the man deserves a second chance and would be happy to see Ulker in VU once again, Let's put the past behind us and move on from Ulker's mistakes. Full Member
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Hey guys, I feel like it's time to conclude this app as it's been up for 2 weeks now with no new comments for over 4 days, however this is only what can be seen publicly of course. If there are ongoing conversations on the private Discord channels and / or forum boards then please feel free to ignore this. Thanks in the meantime.
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You're right.
Your application has been denied due to a considerable amount of negative votes.
From the points raised, the problems our members have with you might be but are not limited to;
-Lack of trust
-Inability to follow/practice our clan ethos and vision
-Perceiving your efforts as dishonest/deceiving
-Overly attempting to privately influence members decision making
Good luck in your future endeavours.