Vice Underdogs
Discussion => Player Discussion => Topic started by: Charley on April 28, 2018, 10:54:05 am
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So originally Cola's idea was for this board to serve as a place where people could discuss other players. Over time it's changed into players starting discussions about themselves.
I suggest that we change the rules of the board, so that discussions of players have to be started by that player, as has become the norm.
I think players should have a right to decide if they are going to be the subject of open criticism or discussion.
What do you think?
Edit - with the exception of topics like 'best fighters', 'VC:MP Legends' and stuff. I think they should still be allowed.
Edit 2 (sorry my hungover brain is working slowly) - another option would be to allow players the right to close a discussion about themselves, that they didn't start.
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I disagree because I believe we already have enough verbal wars in here..
If we allow that, verbal wars may dominate.
This place should promote peace, not wars..
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Mistake quote.
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welL I agree with you charley. +1
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At first I was like "naaaaah why addressing issues when there aren't any?" (was thinking about the fact that so far only me and MasterOz opened a thread in behalf and the discussion that ensued was quite peaceful). Reading it again, I like the second edit option, the system could stay as it is now but if the owner felt the need could request a lock, all in all it seems fair.
I disagree because I believe we already have enough verbal wars in here..
If we allow that, verbal wars may dominate.
This place should promote peace, not wars..
I think you misunderstood, the system as it is right now allows opening a thread on behalf of other people. Charley's idea it is to remove that and only allow to open topics about themselves, as most people do anyway, so the resulting effect would prevent possible verbal wars.
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Yeah Raj I think you understood the opposite to what I meant (my post is not very clearly worded, I'll admit).
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I think players should have a right to decide if they are going to be the subject of open criticism or discussion.
Can you explain this?? I referred to it.
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I think players should have a right to decide if they are going to be the subject of open criticism or discussion.
Can you explain this?? I referred to it.
For example this (http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=9541.0) that you started
if Noori comes back and wants this topic of him removed, you would have to oblige
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so the question is why exactly are people making threads for other people in this board now?
can someone brief me in on the matter because I'm fucking stupid apparently
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Are people using others topic to get good replies about themselves? :/
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so the question is why exactly are people making threads for other people in this board now?
can someone brief me in on the matter because I'm fucking stupid apparently
Yeah I was confused too, I thought the board was only for players to make topics about themselves. But then I took a look at Cola's introduction topic (http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=174.0) and it appears the original intention was to discuss anyone.
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yes indeed and it is a good thing that players are positively discussing about other players, that what makes this community strong.
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I think players should have a right to decide if they are going to be the subject of open criticism or discussion.
Can you explain this?? I referred to it.
For example this (http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=9541.0) that you started
if Noori comes back and wants this topic of him removed, you would have to oblige
I pointed out the word criticism.. I am unable to understand you..
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I pointed out the word criticism.. I am unable to understand you..
Oh ok I understand your point now :)
Criticism is already allowed, it's not going to be disallowed, because is criticism what helps understanding whether you're doing right or wrong and eventually improve. Criticism must not be mistaken with degrading, insulting or any other sort of hate speech, which is almost always not a source of improvement.
So the point of this topic was not to allow people to talk smack about others or not but instead allowing people to choose whether they want to be subject of discussion, positive and/or negative, or not at all.
Let's say I opened a thread here about you, regardless of what people are going to say, and you disagree with my choice because you don't want an open discussion about your persona, should you allowed to request a lock or removal or not? Alternatively should we allow people to open a thread about themselves only or allow them to started a thread about other people as well? This is what this thread is about ;)
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I pointed out the word criticism.. I am unable to understand you..
Oh ok I understand your point now :)
Criticism is already allowed, it's not going to be disallowed, because is criticism what helps understanding whether you're doing right or wrong and eventually improve. Criticism must not be mistaken with degrading, insulting or any other sort of hate speech, which is almost always not a source of improvement.
So the point of this topic was not to allow people to talk smack about others or not but instead allowing people to choose whether they want to be subject of discussion, positive and/or negative, or not at all.
Let's say I opened a thread here about you, regardless of what people are going to say, and you disagree with my choice because you don't want an open discussion about your persona, should you allowed to request a lock or removal or not? Alternatively should we allow people to open a thread about themselves only or allow them to started a thread about other people as well? This is what this thread is about ;)
Thanks for explaining mate.. :)
Here 80% of users can't bear criticism and take it as insult.. and 90% of users find excuse to degrade or abuse anyone..
Like if I open a thread about myself, some one criticize me about something and I don't have enough balls to bear that and I use harsh words in reply and so on..
My point is that there should not be subject of criticism as I described it can lead to verbal war.. And "General Discussion", it can contain criticism, it is obvious..
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yes indeed and it is a good thing that players are positively discussing about other players, that what makes this community strong.
the people to be discussed should have the right to choose whether they want to be discussed in the first place
by making a thread for themselves, people effectively open their doors for the rest of the community's comments, opinions, criticism and so on and so forth
by making a thread on someone else's behalf, like you did, you are opening somebody else's doors without them neither asking you to do so or allowing you to do so. you could call it a break in, in a way
some people may not want to be discussed in the first place
that's why I think we should stick to the concept of everybody opening a thread for themselves
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yes indeed and it is a good thing that players are positively discussing about other players, that what makes this community strong.
the people to be discussed should have the right to choose whether they want to be discussed in the first place
by making a thread for themselves, people effectively open their doors for the rest of the community's comments, opinions, criticism and so on and so forth
by making a thread on someone else's behalf, like you did, you are opening somebody else's doors without them neither asking you to do so or allowing you to do so. you could call it a break in, in a way
some people may not want to be discussed in the first place
that's why I think we should stick to the concept of everybody opening a thread for themselves
I think most people here just don't care, that's why I'd rather leave everything as it is or allow the person in question to request a lock in case a topic is created unwantedly. How many people have you seen complaining so far? I know it is to promote fairness but it is also addressing a problem which never presented. In the context of this forum where "good/bad guy" is the common expressed opinion it's really not a big deal.
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but it is also addressing a problem which never presented.
True, but there are two things to consider.
1. It's good to set up forums in a way that pre-empts problems, acting proactively instead of reactively.
2. I think most people (including myself, who, I think, created the board for Cola) up until now were under the impression that you can't open topics about other people, but now that people see that you can, there might be a slow build-up of shit-posting threads. Just look at the bitter rivalries between players in our applications; there, we have had to exercise our right to shut them down a bunch of times. If the people prone to those petty flamewars become aware that this is a board where they can go all-out without redress, then they probably would use it for that.
As an admin I think edit 2 is the most elegant and fitting solution, allowing people to post topics about other people, but allowing those who are the subject of the topics the right to have them locked or deleted.
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but it is also addressing a problem which never presented.
True, but there are two things to consider.
1. It's good to set up forums in a way that pre-empts problems, acting proactively instead of reactively.
2. I think most people (including myself, who, I think, created the board for Cola) up until now were under the impression that you can't open topics about other people, but now that people see that you can, there might be a slow build-up of shit-posting threads. Just look at the bitter rivalries between players in our applications; there, we have had to exercise our right to shut them down a bunch of times. If the people prone to those petty flamewars become aware that this is a board where they can go all-out without redress, then they probably would use it for that.
As an admin I think edit 2 is the most elegant and fitting solution, allowing people to post topics about other people, but allowing those who are the subject of the topics the right to have them locked or deleted.
you brought this on yourself (http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=9591.0)
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Alright as no one has mounted any significant opposition, I'll insert edit 2 into the rules. People can open topics about other people, but the subject of the topic has the right to have the topic locked or removed.
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Alright as no one has mounted any significant opposition, I'll insert edit 2 into the rules. People can open topics about other people, but the subject of the topic has the right to have the topic locked or removed.
VERY WISE BRO although if rights is concerned, damage already being done in case the person doesn't know he/she is being discussed on the forum already can never be pre-empted BUT ITS OKAy