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Title: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Sezar on July 07, 2020, 08:08:55 pm
Edit by Charley

This thread is now a forum game! You can suggest a topic 'What VC:MP would have been if...' and people can answer. Simple as that! Please mark your question posts with a big Question so that it's clear for readers.

Here is Sezar's first question:

Question

Asian players used to get 20-80 ping?
 ???
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Drakola on July 07, 2020, 08:10:48 pm
Is it possible?
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Piterus on July 07, 2020, 08:12:05 pm
Is it possible?

Just hosting of main servers in Asia.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Zatch on July 08, 2020, 12:39:35 am
yes, in their servers. if we play there, we'll be the laggers xd
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Charley on July 08, 2020, 02:48:23 am
There is a growing community of Chinese VC:MP players.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: SMD on July 08, 2020, 03:00:17 am
There is a growing community of Chinese VC:MP players.
There was a tdm server by rest for Chinese and i have played there use to had 400-500 ping !
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Aaron on July 08, 2020, 05:21:22 am
That'd be heaven feels  :angel:
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: DiaZ on July 08, 2020, 08:59:04 am
That'd be heaven feels  :angel:

Me and aaron will be pwning all with m4
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: La[Z]eR on July 08, 2020, 09:45:42 am
That'd be heaven feels  :angel:

Me and aaron will be pwning all with m4
With 10000 ping
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: mairee on July 08, 2020, 11:14:32 am
That'd be heaven feels  :angel:

Me and aaron will be pwning all with m4
We're talking about Asian players not Mars players
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: ripmemes on July 08, 2020, 11:46:30 am
it would a pain in the ass for asian players, I played with both ( low ping & high ping ) and a stable high ping as low as 150-250 makes you unhittable, did many sprees on EC with that ping.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: lol55 on July 08, 2020, 01:24:11 pm
it would a pain in the ass for asian players, I played with both ( low ping & high ping ) and a stable high ping as low as 150-250 makes you unhittable, did many sprees on EC with that ping.
with 25fps yes.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: GoRcEE on July 08, 2020, 01:33:35 pm
To be honest, if bahrain host was affordable as europe one, there would have been few servers and most of us (pakis, indians) playing there. I wish that was true.

South Asian servers are more needed than south east asia ones, cry diaz hhhhh
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: ripmemes on July 08, 2020, 02:25:00 pm
it would a pain in the ass for asian players, I played with both ( low ping & high ping ) and a stable high ping as low as 150-250 makes you unhittable, did many sprees on EC with that ping.
with 25fps yes.
you saw me in vice war 9, didn't you ( the one with the FPS test ) ?
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: DiaZ on July 09, 2020, 08:49:39 am
With 10000 ping

We're talking about Asian players not Mars players

To be honest, if bahrain host was affordable as europe one, there would have been few servers and most of us (pakis, indians) playing there. I wish that was true.

South Asian servers are more needed than south east asia ones, cry diaz hhhhh

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/701772471975673897/730707152678813758/1dknhv.png)
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Rest on July 09, 2020, 09:03:59 am
I as a Asian player am hosting a tdm server for Asian players, we host events, play and compete, and the playercount isn't stopping. One of the scripters has developed a client script to display Chinese(other language soon maybe), it is expected to get more players.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Sezar on July 09, 2020, 10:42:19 am
I as a Asian player am hosting a tdm server for Asian players, we host events, play and compete, and the playercount isn't stopping. One of the scripters has developed a client script to display Chinese(other language soon maybe), it is expected to get more players.

nice, I'll play once it's hosted. You can get bahrain host maybe  ;D
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: GoRcEE on July 09, 2020, 12:38:35 pm
I as a Asian player am hosting a tdm server for Asian players, we host events, play and compete, and the playercount isn't stopping. One of the scripters has developed a client script to display Chinese(other language soon maybe), it is expected to get more players.

nice, I'll play once it's hosted. You can get bahrain host maybe  ;D
Go for bahrain if you can afford @Rest. Player count won't stop I believe.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Smok3 on July 09, 2020, 06:47:44 pm
Asian players used to get 20-80 ping?
 ???

HONEY SINGH WOULD BE HERE REPA YOUU ASS yaaaaar  >:D
(https://i.imgur.com/xuoOX4f.png)
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Vedder on July 10, 2020, 03:00:47 am
I thought that this was some sort of new minigame topic where players could put their own "what would have happened?" thoughts related to VC:MP. Sad.

Question - edit by Charley

Example: What would have happened if ULK had never been split.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Charley on July 10, 2020, 03:31:07 am
I thought that this was some sort of new minigame topic where players could put their own "what would have happened?" thoughts related to VC:MP. Sad.

Example: What would have happened if ULK had never been split.

Cool idea! @Sezar, do you mind if we hijack your thread for this forum game?

My answer to Calhoun's question would be: if ULK still existed, VC:MP would be much more toxic than it is right now. Open racism, homophobia, sexism and aggression would be more common, and newbies would aspire to these values. Clan wars would also be more interesting, though.

But ULK was never going to be able to sustain its old vs new player dynamic. If it hadn't split then, because of Aki, it would have split some other time further down the line. Many of the old-school ULKs treated the new ones like shit. There was a pretty harsh hierarchy, even if the 'new' members had been in the clan for years, the old ones would always assert their authority over them. There's no way that this could have been sustained.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Sezar on July 10, 2020, 04:46:11 am
I won't mind if you can generate mini game from my idea it's cool indeed
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: umar4911 on July 10, 2020, 05:46:19 am
When I used to locally host my server and port forward it, Pakistani players used to get 30 - 40 ping in there.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Rift_Walk3R on July 10, 2020, 07:40:57 am
When I used to locally host my server and port forward it, Pakistani players used to get 30 - 40 ping in there.

Man no use of that hard work cuz majority of Pakistani Players will still lag even with 30-40 ms ping. Reason? Well you know... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: GoRcEE on July 10, 2020, 12:14:03 pm
Funny thing is that ppl don't understand about lag and delay. They only cry on someone's high ping but don't learn to shoot according to delay. We can't do anything because of different ISPs in Pakistan and distance from host, just as south americans with 200ms+ ping.

VC:MP is still on its place, you need to learn it. Regardless, point is less ping and less delay. In today's community moderators act like developer, heh.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: JuaN. on July 10, 2020, 12:45:59 pm
I thought that this was some sort of new minigame topic where players could put their own "what would have happened?" thoughts related to VC:MP. Sad.

Example: What would have happened if ULK had never been split.

Cool idea! @Sezar, do you mind if we hijack your thread for this forum game?

My answer to Calhoun's question would be: if ULK still existed, VC:MP would be much more toxic than it is right now. Open racism, homophobia, sexism and aggression would be more common, and newbies would aspire to these values. Clan wars would also be more interesting, though.

But ULK was never going to be able to sustain its old vs new player dynamic. If it hadn't split then, because of Aki, it would have split some other time further down the line. Many of the old-school ULKs treated the new ones like shit. There was a pretty harsh hierarchy, even if the 'new' members had been in the clan for years, the old ones would always assert their authority over them. There's no way that this could have been sustained.

there is still that lame ULK spin-off called WK so it doesnt matter, its easy to see how well Tical taught them in their trolling, racist and toxic duties xD.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Charley on July 21, 2020, 04:30:19 am
Question

What would VC:MP have been if we'd reopened XE at the beginning of 2020?
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Sezar on July 21, 2020, 04:49:02 am
Question

What would VC:MP have been if we'd reopened XE at the beginning of 2020?

If they get a strong leader, they would rose again.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Jokah on July 21, 2020, 06:56:20 am
Question

What would VC:MP have been if we'd reopened XE at the beginning of 2020?
I doubt it will work out, there is already a proper functioning DM server in VCMP. EC is more than enough for the current playerbase of VCMP. XE should only be reopened in two cases either VCMP has more playercount and 1 server that is EC isn't enough or if EC is not doing their job perfectly and not being fair in terms of judgements. It is clearly obvious that neither of these is the case. Thus, even if XE is reopened, it will be waste of time and dedication. What the players are really craving for is something new, that is what the VCMP scripters should be looking at when they are looking forward to script a server, and if the script and the gamemode is good enough, the server will work out.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: SMD on July 21, 2020, 07:48:06 am
Funny thing is that ppl don't understand about lag and delay. They only cry on someone's high ping but don't learn to shoot according to delay. We can't do anything because of different ISPs in Pakistan and distance from host, just as south americans with 200ms+ ping.
There are some people they lag more than South American players even with stable 130 ping and 60 fps and still unhitable, Even Rodrigo is hitable with 290 ping but these 130 pingers aren't.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: JuaN. on July 21, 2020, 09:08:09 am
EC is literally a XE copy, they even took "european" i know a few old players that eventually came back and thought EC was a newer version of XE, they have added new features according to 0.4 version and recent updates yet they look so cool but XE at its top(2010-2013) > EC.

Copies will never be above the original.

PD: i hope someone could bring us back the XE european, XE american and XE canadian servers, amazing times xD
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: morphine on July 21, 2020, 09:25:28 am
I like the idea of this game very, very much but I really have nothing to ask ???


Question

What would VC:MP have been if TRC did not disband when it did?
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: ferrari32 on July 21, 2020, 09:32:32 am
More competitive and less homogenic
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Charley on July 21, 2020, 02:50:59 pm

What would VC:MP have been if TRC did not disband when it did?


The community would be less insecure about itself.

Once the number of active, reputable clans dips below a certain number, or below a certain level of activity, people start getting worried.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: DiaZ on July 21, 2020, 03:26:24 pm
EC is literally a XE copy

Copies will never be above the original.

I saw this type of comments for a year now and I resist myself to argue but it seems these comments is still coming from most of them.

In what case EC is same as XE? I don't see any similarity between both server except DM. I don't think XE copyrighted DM mode. In this case you can blame VKs, EA, and some other servers which based on DM copied XE as well. So I think it's better stop calling EC is a ripoff. EC is pure a hardwork from Human and Aaron from scratch. This just shows "HATE" towards EC. Play the server properly so you can differentiate both servers.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: krystianoo on July 21, 2020, 03:27:47 pm
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This just shows "HATE" towards EC.

Why does every negative comment about something have to be called hate in 2020 VCMP? Grow up people lol.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: ripmemes on July 21, 2020, 03:33:28 pm

What would VC:MP have been if TRC did not disband when it did?


The community would be less insecure about itself.

Once the number of active, reputable clans dips below a certain number, or below a certain level of activity, people start getting worried.
VCMP is going to die, and I can feel it very soon, it can stay for another 5 years max, but the rate of new players is so low that current players will get bored and eventually leave.

Otherwise, if a miracle descends upon gta:connected when it becomes famous and people would try vice city in gta:c. then yes people would switch to gta:c, but there is only one dev ( jack powell ( vortrex does the advertisement stuff ) ) who barely keeps up with progress, he's done a great job so far and manages to release many versions in short timespan. I'm waiting until maxorator implements his mlv in that mod.
I also believe fighting there is no different than VCMP.

now that's for the future.

Edit: here is a rather interesting question, what vcmp would've been if there is only one server with 100 slots? and everybody playing there?

Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: aXXo on July 21, 2020, 03:35:53 pm
say UGMP again motherfucker
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: ripmemes on July 21, 2020, 03:38:30 pm
say UGMP again motherfucker
??  :D
i was talking about gta:connected, umm must be nelson mandela effect.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Vedder on July 21, 2020, 04:05:59 pm
Question

What would VC:MP have been if we'd reopened XE at the beginning of 2020?
It depends on many factors, but in general I think it wouldn't have worked so well due to that we had RTV on the top back then. I don't really think that people would have abandoned RTV that easily.

Now, if you ask me what would have it been if you sent aki to fuck off on that big discussion in 2018 and gone forth with riding the server on your own with your own staff; we would probably be playing on it nowadays.

Also, how would have been the way XE was reopened? With a big inspirational topic, funded by VU and a big project with an enormous staff behind leaded by you?
Or by some random guy around or people like Kiki?

that changes a lot the matter.

------------

I agree with Charley on Morphine with his question about TRC. But also a few details; If it didn't disband, nobody would have taken seriously the needing of creating new clans, so new waves and new projects wouldn't really exist nowadays like SkT and RT.

Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: lol55 on July 21, 2020, 04:08:51 pm
actually I dont mind people talking negatively about ec and calling it a XE copy but the reality we all know XE was released in 0.4 as well but what happened? i think some people have memory issues.
its 0.4 and believe me even if you bring XE back it will be dead as other servers(we saw the early release aswell) and whatever we say about EC but EC is the only and only DM server which is alive and running without any problems.

Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: morphine on July 21, 2020, 04:21:37 pm
interesting


I guess I could accommodate an ultimate team though, TBA 8)
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Vedder on July 23, 2020, 04:46:22 am
question

What would have it been if stormeus never woke up and 0.4 was not released?
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Post by: morphine on July 23, 2020, 08:12:53 am
it would have been the end, definitely
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: JuaN. on July 23, 2020, 11:06:12 am
question

What would have it been if stormeus never woke up and 0.4 was not released?

we would still be able to give those C key spamming shotgun whores what they deserve on VCDC with the Stubby Shotgun and its ghost shots.

i know i have cried about it a lot and im also a big moaner about it BUT PLEASE STORMOUSE IF YOU EVER READ THIS, RE-ADD GHOST SHOOTING AS IT WAS ON 0.3 PLEASE.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Hazard on July 23, 2020, 01:29:13 pm
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This just shows "HATE" towards EC.

Why does every negative comment about something have to be called hate in 2020 VCMP? Grow up people lol.
Why does every DM server is called a copy of XE specially EC in VC:MP 2020? As said by DiaZ, it's a pure work from Human/Aaron, why wouldn't the server developers/managers mind if somebody is blaming their developement without any strong evidence and proof..
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: krystianoo on July 23, 2020, 01:51:16 pm
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This just shows "HATE" towards EC.

Why does every negative comment about something have to be called hate in 2020 VCMP? Grow up people lol.
Why does every DM server is called a copy of XE specially EC in VC:MP 2020? As said by DiaZ, it's a pure work from Human/Aaron, why wouldn't the server developers/managers mind if somebody is blaming their developement without any strong evidence and proof..

What does that have to do with my comment? ???
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Hazard on July 23, 2020, 03:59:22 pm
nothing, but also DiaZ's reply wasn't for you.

I just cleared my view about EC. Now it's up to you, how you see it.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Charley on July 30, 2020, 10:26:33 am
Question

What would VC:MP have been if... Rockstar endorsed it as an unofficial but awesome mod.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: morphine on July 30, 2020, 02:30:21 pm
VC:MP would have had a far more extensive player-base from all over the globe for starters
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Aegon on July 30, 2020, 03:18:11 pm
Maybe they could have had helped in developing it also.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Vedder on December 15, 2020, 06:21:19 pm
Question:

What would have happened if akiharu had never put a step into hacking accounts? Would have VU guys left the staff in any other moment? ULKs and VUs working together?
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: ferrari32 on December 15, 2020, 07:52:28 pm
It was a long time ago, but as far as I remember the situation was tense already, with ULK abusing bugs to win championships, some of their members hacking and some being pure egoistic dickheads. There was big rivalry back then between us, and we truly earned our moniker underdogs during that period. There was an elitist group filled with vcmp veterans thinking they're above everyone, and there was a small clan taking in fresh people and training them to the level of opposing those same veterans. I wasn't an XE admin back then as far as I remember, but I suppose there would be a rapture at some point, since the server was almost exclusively ULK driven, which made it very biased.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: Charley on December 16, 2020, 03:07:55 am
Yeah XE was already sorta at breaking point already; aki's hacking just pushed it over the edge.

The tension between VU and ULK was part of it, but mostly it was a story of individuals. At the time, Tical and I ran the server, with Sephiroth pitching in every now and then. HeAD had wanted to give me his position (overall management) in early 2010, but I was busy creating SvM, so the job rested with a barely-active Akiharu instead, and SGB remained owner, as he was paying the bills. I joined management later, after I'd written the new script. With HeAD, SGB and Aki largely inactive, Tical, Seph and I shared responsibility.

Tical and I got on very well, but neither of us much liked Sephiroth or Aki. Not many people, ULK or not, liked Aki, truthfully. Seph was a seasoned sycophant, who would lick anyone's ass for a seat at the table, while Aki was a megalomaniac, who would dispassionately take any step he thought necessary to preserve his grip on power. Tical and I had our differences, especially when it came to positions on racism and hate-speech, but we saw Seph and Aki for who they were: insecure, volatile and self-interested.

Things were bound to get fucked up at some point or another. Occasionally Aki would poke his head in and try to assert his authority, often croney-ing in Bishop or Prontera to the management team to defend him or cast their votes when he was outnumbered. (In the case of Bishop, Aki couldn't have known how much of a significant own goal this was going to turn out to be.) He worked in a way that was fundamentally against the principles that guided XE as a project, which he could only have sustained for so long. Eventually something would have happened, and, his opaque and anti-democratic ways of decision-making would have pissed enough people off for us to split.
Title: Re: what vcmp would've been if....
Post by: JuaN. on December 16, 2020, 12:04:39 pm
The events that happened around mid 2012 regarding XE, Aki's hacking, cheating on VCCT etc.. pretty much anticipated the beginning of the the end of ULK clan as could be confirmed months later when the clan got split.

I had my doubts about Aki's intentions but when i joined ULK again, i got to know that his main goal was to spy VU private boards to know further about VCCT tactics to ensure the final victory for ULK. He got his goal after all but in the other hand he ended up paying a high price that imo wasnt worth it. Everyone likes to win but winning like that shouldnt have a good taste.

I dont know a lot about XE though as i was only an admin and wasnt involved with management at all, but XE-ULK, ULK-XE everything was related, doesnt really matter . They ended up ruining both the clan and a server that used to have a +40 daily playercount. The main characters of this happening were Akiharu and Bishop, if old ULK members like HeAD, SGB, Hazz, Gulk etc were more active back then, they could have avoided all the split and drama these two players brought up to the clan and XE.

But anyway despite the bad things that happened. Everyone who was around that epoch, can agree with me when i say that those were fun and good days after all.