Re: Coward MK

[FulToN_619]

I don't really like to step into topics as sensitive as this, but I've been informed about this topic by juan that I've deberately been putting as an excuse for this whole argument.

I did not expect this from Halchter, trying to continuously frame me be it in forum or in-game (not once but on many occasions) and that finally made me to make a move and clear the irony.

For the people who do or do not know, SS challenged MK on a clan war on May 21, 2020 to a CTF match (MK CTF server). Things were going fairly well until Tarzan stepped in and threw one condition. Yes, just one condition. He said that they can play this clan war, no problems but just under one condition.

The condition was the players who were caught using hacks and/or modifying game files which are against server rules aren't allowed to participate from both sides, MK and SS to which krystianoo agreed to but only if the players who were caught in 2019 and 2020, as there's no need to limit players for things they have done more than ~2 years ago.
Tarkan disagreed and said since the beginning of 0.4 and that they only have one player who was caught cheating / modifying game in their clan.

What was the purpose of this? Well, krystianoo and Fulton. Apparently, krystianoo was caught back in 2016 for using CE to change sensitivity with a keybind and Fulton was caught with greenless tree mod in 2018, moving on:

We decided to accept their one and only condition, and then we posted our roster who were going to play the clan war.

They were not expecting this at all, but then Tarkan asked, "How about doing this in RTV instead of MK CTF server" to which they claim as their own.
A straight U-Turn here by MK, but we were aware in SS that they would make more excuses once we have accepted their one and only condition.

Anyhow krystianoo said, "CTF is denoted as your clan server when entering the forum. We've suggested CTF and we will only agree to CTF, sorry."

Halchter replied that they prefer RTV over their own clan server which is quite a bummer as CTF is denoted as their server when entering their forum, krystianoo accepted MK another condition and proposed that SS can play in RTV, but using our whole roster or we can play on CTF using the roster we provided before.

Faf comes right in and replies with the conditions again (quoting Halchter and Tarkan)

Reminding us about their conditions again, even if we accepted their second condition of playing in RTV server, they would have proposed more and more conditions and not take the challenge at all. This was their plan and we do not have whole life just for it to keep going around the bush.

Oh, and this wasn't the first time SS challenged MK on a clan war. Actually, the third time.

The first time, we challenged them in 2018 at their own server. They said that they would consider this challenge but unfortunately, they never considered it at the first place. Challenge rejected.

Second time, challenged to either A/D or their own server in 2020. Their choice. Reviving the first clan war topic to which Milko (an MK member) posts SS roster would be this calling the players as very hard laggers and says that he doesn't stands a chance so he's out of this clan war, cool3 agrees with him on it.

Fraily gets very pissed on being called a very hard lagger, uses bad language in spanish.
"hijos de puta llorones, ojala acepten les voy a dar el rape de su vida malditos noobs"

We at SS were very pissed at him for using such a foul language and kicked him out for it, but we also knew that we gave MK an opening they have been looking for, unfortunately. The clan war is probably over, this game is for kids as they couldn't take his words and denied the challenged. Case closed.

Hence taking this all into consideration, SS decides to rescind the challenge as it would have once again gone around the bush.

Few months later, in an in-game argument. Halchter replies with this,
"-> [6] [MK]Halchter: we tried to make it balanced because we obviously can't win".

Not gonna debate on this anymore as the man himself says it all. Peace out.

[Halchter]

I did not expect this from Halchter, trying to continuously frame me be it in forum or in-game  (not once but on many occasions) and that finally made me to make a move and clear the irony.

Frame you bruh I haven't seen you neither in-game nor forums for years except this one encounter. It looks more like you are trying to frame me instead because I call this bullshit. Unless you think that me being pissed at your lag is framing you. Imagine holding grudges this long.

Anyways I will just quote Juan since he is not taking it up his arse.

I did my best not to feed this drama as i didnt want SS clan to be involved in more dramas because its officially closed, and perhaps i should let it go because all the drama and confrontation in vcmp is getting tiring to me as it leads nowhere, but ex-SS members shouldnt accept certain lies.

I know what you tried to say above, Halchter. We can clearly see Freak rejecting the clan war invitation. But thats not entirely true as you are deliverately omitting the reasons that led Freak write such post on MK forums, and imo this could make some ppl think the opposite of what really happened.

However since you addressed Freak in your reply i informed him about it on discord in case he wants to explain us why would he "reject" the CW as you showed above.

Yes you got it right.

The main accusation I see is killerx claiming MK to be cowards because we rejected SS challenge which in fact was withdrawn by SS themselves. I understand that our demands could've been too much for you but I didn't really see what you could possibly take out from this clan war, to me it sounded that you wanted to prove you are the better clan which I already admitted long before the log freak posted and it didn't seem like a friendly request to me either. I admit Tarkan's demand was prolly not very well thought out but at the end of the day it was fair, it's not like we wanted to play 1v5 against you besides we just answered the bitchiness with bitchiness. I also don't see why that would be a problem for the best clan in VCMP. If you just wanna beat us, trashtalk us and feel proud in a non-competitive game(not viable) this is fine by me, it is something which already occurs in VCMP.

Our challenges with SS didn't come to consensus but so is this one https://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=15435.0 yet VU is not being called out.

[AX]

The condition was the players who were caught using hacks and/or modifying game files which are against server rules aren't allowed to participate from both sides, MK and SS to which krystianoo agreed to but only if the players who were caught in 2019 and 2020, as there's no need to limit players for things they have done more than ~2 years ago.

MEANWHILE

iska mara hua juggat baaz jag gaya hai aaj lmao.

[lol55]

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You have wrote a long ass post but i did not saw a single logical thing backed with proofs.
Everything you have said was based on your own imaginations.

Also you were called PL asslicker/Dog by your own rtv staff member and your clan mate in UF

Actually you MK guys are badly failing in providing a counter argument and going mad over VU management which is nothing but a shameful attempt.

Learn to talk logical instead of crying about my posts everywhere but its a good way to save yourself from embarrassment so i can understand.

Our challenges with SS didn't come to consensus but so is this one https://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=15435.0 yet VU is not being called out.

Tell me only and only one excuse in the thread of VU? to be honest you guys are embarrassing yourselves than making a counter argument and also for your information Even your double standard condition was accepted when they have challenged you for ctf but what happened after that? you guys just started crying about playing in another server and am sure there would have been more weird demands.

There is no point in playing with cheaters in the squad of RT when you were crying about SS


Coward Coward Cowardness at peak.

Freak post have nulled your arguments so i wont add anything else.

Coward MKs have a nice day(i know you guys having a bad but still  )

[mairee]

NOTE: I am just here for the lolz, not gonna take any sides.

To people who listen to them: Imagine killerx, with his IQ ranging somewhere between his age in 2017 to his age in 2018. 

"Age does not define maturity" - Mir Taki Mir (founder of Pakistan), 2013.

It is already 5 pages and am I the only one who didn't understand what's going on?

nikal tiktok ki khusri

[JuaN.]

I did not expect this from Halchter, trying to continuously frame me be it in forum or in-game  (not once but on many occasions) and that finally made me to make a move and clear the irony.

Frame you bruh I haven't seen you neither in-game nor forums for years except this one encounter. It looks more like you are trying to frame me instead because I call this bullshit. Unless you think that me being pissed at your lag is framing you. Imagine holding grudges this long.

Anyways I will just quote Juan since he is not taking it up his arse.

I did my best not to feed this drama as i didnt want SS clan to be involved in more dramas because its officially closed, and perhaps i should let it go because all the drama and confrontation in vcmp is getting tiring to me as it leads nowhere, but ex-SS members shouldnt accept certain lies.

I know what you tried to say above, Halchter. We can clearly see Freak rejecting the clan war invitation. But thats not entirely true as you are deliverately omitting the reasons that led Freak write such post on MK forums, and imo this could make some ppl think the opposite of what really happened.

However since you addressed Freak in your reply i informed him about it on discord in case he wants to explain us why would he "reject" the CW as you showed above.

Yes you got it right.

The main accusation I see is killerx claiming MK to be cowards because we rejected SS challenge which in fact was withdrawn by SS themselves. I understand that our demands could've been too much for you but I didn't really see what you could possibly take out from this clan war, to me it sounded that you wanted to prove you are the better clan which I already admitted long before the log freak posted and it didn't seem like a friendly request to me either. I admit Tarkan's demand was prolly not very well thought out but at the end of the day it was fair, it's not like we wanted to play 1v5 against you besides we just answered the bitchiness with bitchiness. I also don't see why that would be a problem for the best clan in VCMP. If you just wanna beat us, trashtalk us and feel proud in a non-competitive game(not viable) this is fine by me, it is something which already occurs in VCMP.

Our challenges with SS didn't come to consensus but so is this one https://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=15435.0 yet VU is not being called out.

Well i got you right too, but when did we show any bitchiness there? i guess it was just fraily the one who did what we could call the so called "bitchiness" because i dont recall anybody else acting like that, plus fraily was kicked from the clan for behaving like that and paid the consequences.

Also as for the challenge, in my opinion if you guys thought you couldnt win at that time, you guys should have just rejected the challenge alleging that you didnt feel like doing it for whatever reason or perhaps not being ready or admitting that you thought you couldnt win at that time, but you would look into it after a certain time . Instead of keeping it going around the bush and imposing weird and not understandable rules at all.

I would like to clarify that im not trying to be cocky nor arrogant with these words just trying to explain what i would do in this case and what would be more appropiate instead of imposing weird rules, let me put an example ie fulton challenges me to a 1v1 duel, i know i dont stand a chance against him right now, therefore i would reject the challenge in fact i have done it a few times already but i wouldnt impose rules in order to handicap him, i would focus on improving my own skills in order to win on a fair duel.

But we may have different points of view of course, with this said i think im done with this thread since i have been writing in here much more than i originally expected and wanted to.

[Sezar]

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Also you were called PL asslicker/Dog by your own rtv staff member and your clan mate in UF

Why the fuck would you take UF in this drama?

Spiller was completely by his own. Even though he was reigning as co-leader, I don't see him bringing UF to these PL 'COMMUNITY' stuff except organizing matches because we wanted to develop. It was Azal atlast but before it, UF were just smooth and non related to these 'COMMUNITY' stuff

There were Hazard, Riddler or those cafers back then who themselves fought with PL alongside MDs. Ibee was reported by hazard or vice versa.
Then there were luchgox, me or realdogge who were neutral and opposed this community thingy and hence, despite of being a paki, UF paki members never wore such so called 'COMMUNITY' tag.

I mean both side are same shit to me. I didn't even bother writing till you called a clan out which was closed 2 years ago and only clan which actually meant like a family to me.

Pz.

[Halchter]

I did not expect this from Halchter, trying to continuously frame me be it in forum or in-game  (not once but on many occasions) and that finally made me to make a move and clear the irony.

Frame you bruh I haven't seen you neither in-game nor forums for years except this one encounter. It looks more like you are trying to frame me instead because I call this bullshit. Unless you think that me being pissed at your lag is framing you. Imagine holding grudges this long.

Anyways I will just quote Juan since he is not taking it up his arse.

I did my best not to feed this drama as i didnt want SS clan to be involved in more dramas because its officially closed, and perhaps i should let it go because all the drama and confrontation in vcmp is getting tiring to me as it leads nowhere, but ex-SS members shouldnt accept certain lies.

I know what you tried to say above, Halchter. We can clearly see Freak rejecting the clan war invitation. But thats not entirely true as you are deliverately omitting the reasons that led Freak write such post on MK forums, and imo this could make some ppl think the opposite of what really happened.

However since you addressed Freak in your reply i informed him about it on discord in case he wants to explain us why would he "reject" the CW as you showed above.

Yes you got it right.

The main accusation I see is killerx claiming MK to be cowards because we rejected SS challenge which in fact was withdrawn by SS themselves. I understand that our demands could've been too much for you but I didn't really see what you could possibly take out from this clan war, to me it sounded that you wanted to prove you are the better clan which I already admitted long before the log freak posted and it didn't seem like a friendly request to me either. I admit Tarkan's demand was prolly not very well thought out but at the end of the day it was fair, it's not like we wanted to play 1v5 against you besides we just answered the bitchiness with bitchiness. I also don't see why that would be a problem for the best clan in VCMP. If you just wanna beat us, trashtalk us and feel proud in a non-competitive game(not viable) this is fine by me, it is something which already occurs in VCMP.

Our challenges with SS didn't come to consensus but so is this one https://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=15435.0 yet VU is not being called out.

Well i got you right too, but when did we show any bitchiness there?

I meant you were hostile in general.

Also as for the challenge, in my opinion if you guys thought you couldnt win at that time, you guys should have just rejected the challenge

Because apparently rejecting a challenge is a sign of cowardliness here and postponing it was not possible because you withdrew your challenge.

I have a question for you, what did you want to take out from this challenge?

[lol55]

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What? Spiller was luchgox clan mate in UF and i said it, nothing wrong with it and luchgox called him "asslicker/Dog" thats also a fact.

Your posts seems to be emotional than being logical but i would suggest control yourself since i have not said a single wrong thing about your so called "Family".
Don't flow in your emotions.

You are welcome to re-reply but eventually you will end up with nothing than embarrassment since UF history is also not great.

Because apparently rejecting a challenge is a sign of cowardliness here and postponing it was not possible because you withdrew your challenge.

The thing you guys have done was more than cowardliness and preferred to make excuses just due to scare of losing the war.

I don't you guys would be ever able to justify your coward action.

peace.

[JuaN.]

I did not expect this from Halchter, trying to continuously frame me be it in forum or in-game  (not once but on many occasions) and that finally made me to make a move and clear the irony.

Frame you bruh I haven't seen you neither in-game nor forums for years except this one encounter. It looks more like you are trying to frame me instead because I call this bullshit. Unless you think that me being pissed at your lag is framing you. Imagine holding grudges this long.

Anyways I will just quote Juan since he is not taking it up his arse.

I did my best not to feed this drama as i didnt want SS clan to be involved in more dramas because its officially closed, and perhaps i should let it go because all the drama and confrontation in vcmp is getting tiring to me as it leads nowhere, but ex-SS members shouldnt accept certain lies.

I know what you tried to say above, Halchter. We can clearly see Freak rejecting the clan war invitation. But thats not entirely true as you are deliverately omitting the reasons that led Freak write such post on MK forums, and imo this could make some ppl think the opposite of what really happened.

However since you addressed Freak in your reply i informed him about it on discord in case he wants to explain us why would he "reject" the CW as you showed above.

Yes you got it right.

The main accusation I see is killerx claiming MK to be cowards because we rejected SS challenge which in fact was withdrawn by SS themselves. I understand that our demands could've been too much for you but I didn't really see what you could possibly take out from this clan war, to me it sounded that you wanted to prove you are the better clan which I already admitted long before the log freak posted and it didn't seem like a friendly request to me either. I admit Tarkan's demand was prolly not very well thought out but at the end of the day it was fair, it's not like we wanted to play 1v5 against you besides we just answered the bitchiness with bitchiness. I also don't see why that would be a problem for the best clan in VCMP. If you just wanna beat us, trashtalk us and feel proud in a non-competitive game(not viable) this is fine by me, it is something which already occurs in VCMP.

Our challenges with SS didn't come to consensus but so is this one https://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=15435.0 yet VU is not being called out.

Well i got you right too, but when did we show any bitchiness there?

I meant you were hostile in general.

Also as for the challenge, in my opinion if you guys thought you couldnt win at that time, you guys should have just rejected the challenge

Because apparently rejecting a challenge is a sign of cowardliness here and postponing it was not possible because you withdrew your challenge.

I have a question for you, what did you want to take out from this challenge?

Well i dont really know if im the right one to respond on this, just because i wasnt around when SS started challenging MK to clan wars, i just got to know about our last challenge that ended up nowhere due to what we have been discussing since killerX brought out the topic again, and yea i could notice certain growing animosity between us and MK when i became active again in the community but i wasnt really aware of it. But thats not anything that hasnt happened before between clans in vcmp in fact it makes everything more interesting when it comes to rivalries and competition, neither we wanted to bitch you, nor trash-talk on you we just wanted to have a CW to bring more activity and interest to the community like its been happening since many years ago in vcmp.

However i cant talk on behalf of all my ex clan-mates but this is basically what i think, Clan wars have always helped the community to gather some interest from other players and clans, and to bring some competition to this little community. As you can see we are lacking big and old clans these days and this isnt any good for vcmp, by doing CWs we encourage activity in vcmp and motivate small clans and other players to form their own squads to become better in order challenge the big fishes or at least thats what myself and other players did when we were younger and more enthusiastic in this community.

Its obvious we wanted to win and that we thought we could win those CWs because we knew we were good enough to do so and in fact SS proved it right by winning numerous CWs and tournaments, but that has nothing to do with trying to trash talk nor humiliate any clan, imo we never had any of those intentions but just to help vcmp. Its sad to see such mistrustful people thinking we had such intentions, ofc it isnt cool to see other clans trying to impose weird rules and shit, plus gotta say that things went a bit ouf hand between both clans and both  showed hostile attitudes towards each other.

I guess you still think that we had other intentions but i gotta say that you are wrong, the challenge was pretty much refused in my opinion so we moved on and thats it.

[Dr.Shawn]

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[Inferno69]

95% people here

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[QarZ]

I have a question for you, what did you want to take out from this challenge?

[Shadow.Jack^]

"I tried so hard and got so far but in the end it doesn't even matter" - Chester Bennington

[Halchter]

I did not expect this from Halchter, trying to continuously frame me be it in forum or in-game  (not once but on many occasions) and that finally made me to make a move and clear the irony.

Frame you bruh I haven't seen you neither in-game nor forums for years except this one encounter. It looks more like you are trying to frame me instead because I call this bullshit. Unless you think that me being pissed at your lag is framing you. Imagine holding grudges this long.

Anyways I will just quote Juan since he is not taking it up his arse.

I did my best not to feed this drama as i didnt want SS clan to be involved in more dramas because its officially closed, and perhaps i should let it go because all the drama and confrontation in vcmp is getting tiring to me as it leads nowhere, but ex-SS members shouldnt accept certain lies.

I know what you tried to say above, Halchter. We can clearly see Freak rejecting the clan war invitation. But thats not entirely true as you are deliverately omitting the reasons that led Freak write such post on MK forums, and imo this could make some ppl think the opposite of what really happened.

However since you addressed Freak in your reply i informed him about it on discord in case he wants to explain us why would he "reject" the CW as you showed above.

Yes you got it right.

The main accusation I see is killerx claiming MK to be cowards because we rejected SS challenge which in fact was withdrawn by SS themselves. I understand that our demands could've been too much for you but I didn't really see what you could possibly take out from this clan war, to me it sounded that you wanted to prove you are the better clan which I already admitted long before the log freak posted and it didn't seem like a friendly request to me either. I admit Tarkan's demand was prolly not very well thought out but at the end of the day it was fair, it's not like we wanted to play 1v5 against you besides we just answered the bitchiness with bitchiness. I also don't see why that would be a problem for the best clan in VCMP. If you just wanna beat us, trashtalk us and feel proud in a non-competitive game(not viable) this is fine by me, it is something which already occurs in VCMP.

Our challenges with SS didn't come to consensus but so is this one https://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=15435.0 yet VU is not being called out.

Well i got you right too, but when did we show any bitchiness there?

I meant you were hostile in general.

Also as for the challenge, in my opinion if you guys thought you couldnt win at that time, you guys should have just rejected the challenge

Because apparently rejecting a challenge is a sign of cowardliness here and postponing it was not possible because you withdrew your challenge.

I have a question for you, what did you want to take out from this challenge?

Well i dont really know if im the right one to respond on this, just because i wasnt around when SS started challenging MK to clan wars, i just got to know about our last challenge that ended up nowhere due to what we have been discussing since killerX brought out the topic again, and yea i could notice certain growing animosity between us and MK when i became active again in the community but i wasnt really aware of it. But thats not anything that hasnt happened before between clans in vcmp in fact it makes everything more interesting when it comes to rivalries and competition, neither we wanted to bitch you, nor trash-talk on you we just wanted to have a CW to bring more activity and interest to the community like its been happening since many years ago in vcmp.

However i cant talk on behalf of all my ex clan-mates but this is basically what i think, Clan wars have always helped the community to gather some interest from other players and clans, and to bring some competition to this little community. As you can see we are lacking big and old clans these days and this isnt any good for vcmp, by doing CWs we encourage activity in vcmp and motivate small clans and other players to form their own squads to become better in order challenge the big fishes or at least thats what myself and other players did when we were younger and more enthusiastic in this community.

Its obvious we wanted to win and that we thought we could win those CWs because we knew we were good enough to do so and in fact SS proved it right by winning numerous CWs and tournaments, but that has nothing to do with trying to trash talk nor humiliate any clan, imo we never had any of those intentions but just to help vcmp. Its sad to see such mistrustful people thinking we had such intentions, ofc it isnt cool to see other clans trying to impose weird rules and shit, plus gotta say that things went a bit ouf hand between both clans and both  showed hostile attitudes towards each other.

I guess you still think that we had other intentions but i gotta say that you are wrong, the challenge was pretty much refused in my opinion so we moved on and thats it.

but i wasnt really aware of it. But thats not anything that hasnt happened before between clans in vcmp in fact it makes everything more interesting when it comes to rivalries and competition, neither we wanted to bitch you, nor trash-talk on you we just wanted to have a CW to bring more activity and interest to the community like its been happening since many years ago in vcmp.

Thanks for the time to respond to this.

Sorry but while I agree with the rivalry part I think this is just an excuse for the cockiness and toxicity shown by several of your members and your challenge didn't seem nothing like bringing interest and activity to vcmp etc for this reason, it looked more like an ego boost tour to me.

I think if you came without all the hostility(this involves us too because the hate between the clans is mutual) the war would have taken place.

We had our demands, you had yours we just didn't come to an agreement, I don't see how this make us cowards.

I just wanted to request Charley and the VUs to excuse Kelvin.

@Killerx Whatever makes you sleep at night dear.

Ite, I am prolly out as well since proving a point here is impossible and I had enough of scrolling cringy memes.