Vice Underdogs
Vice Underdogs Clan => General Chat => Farewell Board => Topic started by: Olo on January 11, 2011, 08:13:02 pm
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Its becoming like ULK :(
Sorry but Im leaving the clan - I dont like you accept everyone who applies.
Hope you understand.
Sorry again :-\
And remember - Biggest doesnt mean best ... http://ulk-gang.com/index.php?topic=5.msg5#msg5
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Becoming like ULK? That might be the worst insult we ever had.
We dont actually accept everyone. We are accepting people who are willing to enter the community and to leave their "noobie" rank, accepting them as Trainees. If they dont fullfill this we kick them, if they do we will promote them. Take this for example, we accepted tmavs as a trainee I guess. He was at the noobie rank, now he's one of the best fighters and a pretty cool guy.
I am sorry but I dont really like your opinion. But it's still a opinion, good luck.
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Yeah Olo. When i first joined [VU] i was a loner, a person who wanted to be involved in many things. So i joined [VU].. I would have been stupid enough to even apply, knowing that they was the secondmost clan in VC:MP, i taught they didnt even want me, not even now.. But as i worked my way through Trainee and Rookie, my English have gotten better, my attitude has REALLY improved from [VU_R] to [VU], and my skills are on a moderate level. We pretty much know how the person is before we just give them acceptance to our clan. But like Knucis said , he only want newbies that want to make something out of the community, we dont just pick random people out of them ''Woolzie'' clans and expect them to be admins..
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Well Olo, it seems you are not right for VU. You do not share the same ideals as us.
We accept almost anyone to our training ranks, yes, cos that's our purpose. As Knucis said, VU offers new players the opportunity to get involved with the community, train up their fighting skills and learn more about the game. We teach as many people about this game as possible because we want more experienced players to play against. I'm sick of seeing people cry about old players leaving and there being a deficit of experienced players in VC:MP, when they are not willing to open their eyes to the fact that there are others out there; they just need a little help to break through.
We accepted you cos we thought that after however many years of playing you'd understand that by now. Obviously we were wrong.
I don't take being like ULK as an insult because they have been without a doubt the most organised, largest, most powerful clan in VC:MP for the last year or 2. Now VU is a genuine rival to that domination and you're saying that's a bad thing? Well fuck that - you need to get your head sorted.
Good luck in your DZ application which you will undoubtedly make.
I wish that you were mature enough to discuss this with us before making such a bold decision.
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Ah wtf Olo..
C'mon now you gotta stay committed and respect that VU likes to give players opportunities to change and be interested in vcmp while learning new skills and creating an active community. I liked you no homo, but shit happens and i guess you dont like how VU is. Good luck to wherever you go.
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I won't give you a speech that will tell you the role of VU giving players a chance to open up to commuinity.
Just gonna say this:Bye and Good luck,Friend,miss ya :(
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Now that might be one of the nastiest bull crap thing I've read lately about VU.
Now I don't know the situation in ULK, but this is not about my opinion about ULK, it's member count, members themselves or w/e, so I will pose as not understanding what exactly you mean with "VU is becoming like ULK."
I don't find ULK being a catastrophe or w/e so really.. What's with the sad smiley?
But that comment about us accepting everyone who applies is absurd. Now just to prove- there are exactly 40 DENIED applications for VU. It's not a small number obviously. So make your own conclusions about that.
Do we have members, who we have accepted with our eyes closed?- Probably. Now do we have past members we've kicked?- Yes, we do.
I really don't find it wrong giving some players (who may not be totally capable to represent VU yet) the VU_T (which means Trainee btw.. ) rank. If we see the potential- it's a chance for them to prove themselves. Now the really accepted applications are those with VU_R or just VU. I'm sorry, do you find any member in these ranks not appropriate? Feel free to talk with him. If that's useless- there's the kick option, which you can always initiate, if necessary. Prove your right, congratulations, you've made the clan cleaner!
But have you, Olo, ever done anything to make the situation better? We'll if you're the one complaining about it..- As far as I remember- you have shown NO complaints.
So I still think it's stupid to consider accepting Trainees a disaster. And what kind of a f-n reason is that??- Leaving a clan because it has too many members? You're writing in your post that you hope we understand. Well, Olo.. Im afraid I don't understand this absurd at all. (Although I could understand if you don't want to tell us the real reason. Guess you don't like to express your opinion too much, eh? :) )
Now I still have some things to say about your crappy argument about VU, but I know reading long posts mostly isn't an activity too enjoyable (and I also want to go to sleep. haven't slept normally for a few days now).
The thing is, Olo, I really don't like useless, unreasoned replies, especially the one you shouted out here.
So, Olo.. Good luck finding a clan you'll find suitable. You saw VU's policy about accepting new members before you applied for it. Tip: Consider the decisions you make before they are made. (Also before saying something absurd).
Edit - Post moved - Charley
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And remember - Biggest doesnt mean best ... http://ulk-gang.com/index.php?topic=5.msg5#msg5
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i thought you were just a disloyal whiny bitch but you became a straight up elitist dickhead faggot
i wonder what will you choose next to look more 1337, DnA or Ka? or are you too cool for clans now? fuck nigger
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Can't people just leave the clan like the'pc did when he left ULK?
Sorry guys i'm leaving the clan, bye
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the'pc
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Can't people just leave the clan like the'pc did when he left ULK?
Sorry guys i'm leaving the clan, bye
p.c spammed while scripts were off and all he was ever gonna be was a TLKr... Olo, is a experienced player. See the differenence?
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See the differenence?
not much, what's ironic is that Olo's attitude is very similar to that of those who he considers the wrong players to accept in VU
then again it's logical since he's leaving VU lol
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I still love you olo :-*
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all I can say is bye bye, have fun in some only-top-skills-we-dont-wanna-give-new-players-a-chance clan ;)
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I must agree, we accept everyone who applies, thats why most of my last votings are No-s.
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Why not test person abilities and skill then decide whether he is able to be VU or not?
it will be better for our clan.
bye olO :'(
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We test abilities and skill, if it's not so bad and we are able to improve it he gets accepted (if we vote yes ofc).
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I must agree, we accept everyone who applies, thats why most of my last votings are No-s.
I Agree aswell... We accepted so many players, and we haven't seen like half the people we accepted.
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Ok everyone read this: http://vu.vrocker-hosting.co.uk/index.php?topic=1329.0
Just because we don't all know every trainee we accept, doesn't mean that he isn't fit for acceptance. In every single application there has been either someone who has known the applicant and vouched for them, or they have proved themself worth in the application itself.
Why not test person abilities and skill then decide whether he is able to be VU or not?
it will be better for our clan.
Hardly anyone in VU knew you before you applied, yet we still gave you a chance, are you saying that's a mistake?
The same goes for you Tmavs.
People, please understand one of the main purposes of the Training tags. They are a trial, a very long test to see whether the player is suitable for the full clan tag. With training tags you can test things that you can't without them, such as loyalty and clan involvement. I'm sick that people are not on the right page here.
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All I can say is that I totally don't understand why is a question like this even up.. I mean, what Charley is saying in the post above is just even more than clear and logical. Weird to see that there really are people who find this ranking system abstruse. o.o
So what do you people want to do? Stamp your feet into the ground, be stubborn and shout a NO on an application like:"We don't want to give you a chance to prove yourself because we've already accepted too much?" Sounds a bit f-d up to me. An that would be the reason why there sometimes is only a No said, no reason mentioned? But k, I understand, that kind of a reason really is so stupid, I wouldn't want to shout it out either.. :)
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I always give out reasons when i say no, its just that it feels like we are giving people TOO much of a cushion. Like say if we just made him a Trainee, after two months or so, hes a Rookie. Some of us havent really judged the player about our opinions, but we already seen that he is already accepted. Im just saying we need to really get to know this player instead of just waiting 2 or so months until he gets promoted. Its like it depends on only a few people until he is given a position, not the whole crew. And i don't care who vouches for him , we ALL should be able to meet this person because he might just be nice to that 1 [VU] and then go against another.. Like you see the way desfire got kicked, becuase 1 person vouched for him , but also 1 person didnt like him, but he was still accepted to our clan. I know im probably not being vague with this one, because i think that Charley and Veteran are right, but also Me and SanDisk are right aswell.
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If anyone does not agrees with this ranking system, they are unable to see the bigger picture.
Developing a newb into a professional regular outweighs anything else.
It is the best thing that you can do to help the VCMP community.
I agree with Mavericks point here.
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Good luck in your DZ application which you will undoubtedly make.
To make situation clear - I didnt leave for DZ.
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Good luck in your DZ application which you will undoubtedly make.
To make situation clear - I didnt leave for DZ.
I didn't say that was the reason for your leaving. I just expected and still expect you to make an application there, as it is the next natural move for you.
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Meh, I know you guys gonna think any of the DZ members had asked him to join to DZ, and leave VU, just here to say that we didn't asked him.
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Meh, I know you guys gonna think any of the DZ members had asked him to join to DZ, and leave VU, just here to say that we didn't asked him.
Lol Dont worry. And I think Charley didn't say that to offend DZ, I think he meant, since he was in all the clans, the only one left is DZ, so he would apply there.
Thanks for that tho Daren :)
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That's not what I thought at all Daren.
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Mavs and Sandisk do have a point.
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I used to think like sandinski and tmaverick too but then I sort of realised vc-mp needs as many players as it can get, so the more players vu can integrate and make 'regulars' the better off we all are :).
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I used to think like sandinski and tmaverick too but then I sort of realised vc-mp needs as many players as it can get, so the more players vu can integrate and make 'regulars' the better off we all are :).
But then EVERYBODY, will be too good, and the ''newbies'' then will rage like shit..
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I used to think like sandinski and tmaverick too but then I sort of realised vc-mp needs as many players as it can get, so the more players vu can integrate and make 'regulars' the better off we all are :).
:-*
Just like Veteran, I don't understand why people don't want us to train newbies into regular players. Isn't that the best thing a Clan could do?? They need to be trained so they get better and have more fun in playing vcmp, if you're getting pwned all the time I would just ragequit...
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I used to think like sandinski and tmaverick too but then I sort of realised vc-mp needs as many players as it can get, so the more players vu can integrate and make 'regulars' the better off we all are :).
But then EVERYBODY, will be too good, and the ''newbies'' then will rage like shit..
That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard for a while.
Tmavs you talk about us accepting people too easily and giving them too much of a cushion. I think you're forgetting how much flak we took for accepting you. Everyone thought you were a dumbass yet we still accepted you and let you work you way up the ranks. We gave you a huge 'cushion.' To now go against that process when applied to other people seems a bit selfish to me.
Also, I'd like to add, that it's almost impossible for the whole clan to get to know everyone in it. This is cos of conflicting timezones and times of play. E.G. I am mostly online at about 11.00-13.00 GMT, when there are almost no VUs online cos they're either at school or sleeping.
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But then EVERYBODY, will be too good, and the ''newbies'' then will rage like shit..
Thats the point,
If EVERYONE is good, the newbies will try to get better to compete with others.
That will benefit VCMP in all aspects.
Rage quitters are lame, so let them quit....who cares about them.
If anyone has anything against this recruitment system, i would suggest them to look at the bigger picture.
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Also, when the clan first started, we tried only accepting those who we thought were of the right level to join us, but soon realised that attitude is completely unrealistic. There aren't enough skilled/experienced players in VC:MP for us to rely on only applications that fit our standards. Instead, we have to make new skilled/experienced players.
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wow real simple :D
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Tmavs you talk about us accepting people too easily and giving them too much of a cushion. I think you're forgetting how much flak we took for accepting you. Everyone thought you were a dumbass yet we still accepted you and let you work you way up the ranks. We gave you a huge 'cushion.' To now go against that process when applied to other people seems a bit selfish to me.
I didnt say you had to accept me right at that moment. I mean i didnt ''ask'' or ''beg'', to join your clan, i just waited until i taught everyone had approval of me.. Its not my fault, why i was picked so quickly, I myself didn't even know HALF the [VU]'s before joining the clan... Man I'm done posting here.... :-/
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why so serious, everyone.
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Hehe, laughed a bit about how the first votes changed. If the first vote used to be like:
Can't vote, don't know you..
Then now: never seen u so i will go with no
:D
Now on that application I have one question, I won't vote yet, but thats just a little offtopic.
I wouldn't worry about if, how you say EVERYONE became good.. I mean if you're worrying about newbs, if they won't be just killed all the time by people with clan tags (btw, joining a clan doesn't mean gaining game skills.. Thjin is here from the beginning and by the time he would now be a killing machine, but now he doesn't even consider himself a fighter(: ). It's surprising that no matter how old now is this vc:mp, new players are still joining all the time. The banlist for XE already is enormous, though the server is usually almost full, mostly with newbs. So I wouldn't worry about that new players won't have anyone to actually fight with, even now there are 27 players on xe and only 5 of them is wearing a tag.
K, I see that is discussion is getting a bit exhausting.
Just to say that I still find this ranking system and trainee policy great. It has also proved itself in my opinion- we have nearly 40 members and only 3 kicked. And I have no doubts about any full VU or Rookie. So I'd suggest to just keep the voting system as it was decide- give trainee if you see potential, trust your mate who can vouch for the applicant or feel free to also say no.. But for God's sake don't say the reason "We already have too much members."
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why so serious, everyone.
Yeah most of you guys are over analyzing shit
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why so serious, everyone.
Yeah most of you guys are over analyzing shit
Sorry, it's just that when you put so much time into something it can be insulting when people don't understand it.
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why so serious, everyone.
Yeah most of you guys are over analyzing shit
Sorry, it's just that when you put so much time into something it can be insulting when people don't understand it.
Yeah i get you, people's ignorance offends
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why so serious, everyone.
Yeah most of you guys are over analyzing shit
Sorry, it's just that when you put so much time into something it can be insulting when people don't understand it.
Yeah i get you, people's ignorance offends
So what you trying to say, were ignorant? 0_o
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Hah maverick, you might do yourself good by restraining from replying to every single thing that you consider that is targetted towards you. Just use common sense, logic and the personality of the guy who says it. Cutton's being rational of how VC:MP clans should be doing as a clan to promote the game play, to grow the gaming society. You don't need to be too self conscious on whether or not Charley Barley could think you as ignorant or w/e, cause he doesn't :)
But back on topic, it's a matter of the old ideology conflicting with the new modern thinking of how a clan should be helping out the gaming rather than trying to stand out. Before ULK came, most clans used to exist to show off how cool they were and how unbeatable they were. KFJ, DnA, UST known as the rivals about 3-4 years ago accepted rookie players and when they thought their clan was growing too much, they often stopped recruiting. Then comes along MK, DU, DS, DZ, VU to start the clan kind of thing which wasn't really existent before. The leaders of all these clans were pretty influenced by the idea of a strong clan, the only clan to be at the top, and clan events were performed with that as a basis. Then ULK comes back suddenly and says what the clans are supposed to be doing. This influence only reached a few since there aren't many current clans who do that, to point it out frankly, only VU and ULK. Since ULKs return many newbies joined the clan and became known to us. Same goes to VU, and as they left the clans for other clans, it made the other clans stronger as well, making it possible for clans to compete against each other.
So basically, if you think that accepting people you do not know does harm to the clan, you're just being selfish as you don't want to hang out with those guys and they should remain as outcasts forever. You're saying the newbs don't deserve a place in any clan as they are new. But if you think about it, we were all newbs, and we've become what we've become through experience. You might argue the newbs should do the same then come back and apply when they are ready. However, considering the small player count of VC:MP, we can't expect that to happen, rather, we should encourage the newbies to stay. Get it? It's doing good both for your clan and the community.
Now if you're still gonna argue against what Charley's done, go get some coffee and clear your mind.
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What the perfect explanation above I hereby state this topic as Locked. ;D