Vice Underdogs
Vice Underdogs Clan => General Chat => Farewell Board => Topic started by: Gohan on January 10, 2017, 12:55:33 am
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As the subject says, I'm leaving the clan.
Why I'm leaving? Due to somethings that I'm not agree, policies things. I felt unconfortable, one of those is the opinion about some players, who applied. You guys are voting trainee for a player who got potential but it's a player with bad reputation in the comunity, as few days riders did something wrong? yes he did, and everyone was talking about the reputation that situation took, about that "player" I'm talking about JeaN. Think about and think about which actions should VU take.
I'm not leaving the clan because we lost the vicewar again, we guys did it perfect, everyone did it well, but in this case we were outnumbered and lost it. I'm pretty sure that we tried our best, I'm proud of all of us.
I want to say thanks, thanks for all of the players of this clan who helped me to be a good player, a good player.
When I joined here I was kid without any knowledge of english, just a little, now I can write this perfect, maybe is not perfect but it's ok and you can understand it perfect and that's the important thing. I want to say thanks for those teachers who teached me to be a skilled player, training sessions, EAD matches, CTF matches, ViceWars, Vice City Dueling Championship, and other external duels who helped me to improve. I want to say thanks for those players who trusted in me, in my potential, but I don't have nothing much to offer.
I didn't mentioned it but when I left VU in 27 december, I left because I wanted personally to join in [ON]. I was already thinking, about to take their hacks to report them. But, said in my mind: "Maybe they don't have nothing and I will be an stupid joining there", so decided to do another things, another stupid things. (I was an stupid guy in the past and that's what you guys said in my denied app of this 2016, "review your own actions").
After all I joined in ON, and did my work. Did my investigation and worked a lot.
Joined in VU again, and talked with krystiano about it and some many other members of VU. (with hanney too, and we tested it together)
Want to say thanks for these years with this family, with VU.
Congratulations for this year, with all of the victories we reached, all of the achievements we won. But now it's time to say good bye, I know I'm leaving again but I joined here for much reasons but the most important, was to show my loyalty, and I know, these sentence got no sense but you will understand in the future.
VU it's a great clan, but it's not for me. VU got a great history but when something bad happens, everything can be ruined. Also thanks for giving me a chance to be a part of this clan for 1 years and some months.
Good bye VUs, and keep it up. Good luck, have fun and enjoy the game.
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Not again mate. Don't leave.
@policies: what wrong with them?
@voting a bad reputation players: Everyone has a right to vote of his choice weather postive or negative but the end result goes with the majority and the guy you was talking about as example didn't get accepted at the end.
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Voting is merely a representation of everyone's personal views. Also we would be glad if you could highlight which policies in particular forced you to take this decision. That is something that can be discussed and amended easily because all of us collectively decide them. Leaving is not the solution.
There's more reasoning behind this decision of yours berk, which you haven't shared as of yet. I will appreciate if you do.
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Not again mate. Don't leave.
@policies: what wrong with them?
@voting a bad reputation players: Everyone has a right to vote of his choice weather postive or negative but the end result goes with the majority and the guy you was talking about as example didn't get accepted at the end.
@Voting a bad reputation players: Yes, and I know how it works but for me, should be more strictly. If a member is not agree should be denied, and I know, that means my app would be denied? Yes.
Voting is merely a representation of everyone's personal views. Also we would be glad if you could highlight which policies in particular forced you to take this decision. That is something that can be discussed and amended easily because all of us collectively decide them. Leaving is not the solution.
There's more reasoning behind this decision of yours berk, which you haven't shared as of yet. I will appreciate if you do.
@Policies: Administrative things, and I'm not confortable with some clan members, that's another thing too that I didn't mentioned.
What do u mean with that I marked?
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@gohan: If you have problem with some memebers, you should name them here. We can work on such issues with collaborative efforts. I have seen many players with bad reputations going through three tier system and comes with decent reputation at the end. This is why I guess we don't have single tag but three tier system.
@policies: What about administrative things? Please briefly explain, what bothers you about this circle.
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@gohan: If you have problem with some memebers, you should name them here. We can work on such issues with collaborative efforts. I have seen many players with bad reputations going through three tier system and comes with decent reputation at the end. This is why I guess we don't have single tag but three tier system.
@policies: What about administrative things? Please briefly explain, what bothers you about this circle.
Sorry but I'll not do it, maybe this member will offend and I don't want it.
@Policies: I'm not talking about the administration circle, I'm talking about the administration of the clan in general. I don't like it, since the recent changes that the administration did. One of those, the decision to kick away a full member, and I don't want to read again that post that madkiller did, it's useless to kick a Full Member like Freak, a player who improved a lot in the game since he was clanless, joined here, climbed to the top of the clan, tried to leave in good way and VU tried to talk with him, to get a properly solution and when he decided to stay, the administration of VU decided to kick him away.
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Gohan, i also dont agree with the things you said, accepting a player who has bad rep in the community because it in turn affects the rep of our clan but thats how VU works i cant do anything about it, and also i disagree with the decision made by the administration on freak. But i ain't leaving the clan for all these.
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Gohan, i also dont agree with the things you said, accepting a player who has bad rep in the community because it in turn affects the rep of our clan but thats how VU works i cant do anything about it, and also i disagree with the decision made by the administration on freak. But i ain't leaving the clan for all these.
I know, you can't do anything about it, I can't do anything about it, it's my decision against the decision of the clan, it can influence on my own, but it doesn't now, I'm not confortable. I appreciate your words/opinion about this, but I'm out.
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I'm sad to see you go, again.
We have a public farewell board, do you mind if we move your topic to over there?
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This is not a solution.if you are against some people who are getting T votes by asslicking then I get it you could have Instead made a topic about *why noobs with bad reputation are getting T votes* and I would have fully supported you since I am also against those T votes.
But sometimes you and I can be wrong. I was against Kiki being accepted in the clan but you know how well it turned out for us at last.
You don't need to go through this again, perhaps you should think again.
Kicking freak was worth is in my opinion, a guy can't simply ignore all the clan members for 6 months.
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I'm sad to see you go, again.
We have a public farewell board, do you mind if we move your topic to over there?
Sorry dude, thanks for your support in these years that we were teammates.
Let's wait as everyone answer or give their opinions, after that you can move it.
This is not a solution.if you are against some people who are getting T votes by asslicking then I get it you could have Instead made a topic about *why noobs with bad reputation are getting T votes* and I would have fully supported you since I am also against those T votes.
But sometimes you and I can be wrong. I was against Kiki being accepted in the clan but you know how well it turned out for us at last.
You don't need to go through this again, perhaps you should think again.
Kicking freak was worth is in my opinion, a guy can't simply ignore all the clan for 6 months.
I did it many times in private, doesn't work if I post it on public, because if the player get accepted, he'll see it, and maybe it will be an offense for him/her.
We all should take decision, and this is my decision. As I said, I joined here to show I can be loyal, but this have no sense, I tried to show what can I offer again, played matches representing VU, another ViceWar with the tag. I know, maybe I'm a an important player here, but it doesn't matter now. It was a pleasure for me to be a part of this clan again, I hope you enjoyed my stay here.
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Last decision is yours and nobody here wants you to leave.
We are a family and you are leaving us again at a critical time, this is the last time I'm asking you to stay.
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Last decision is yours and nobody here wants you to leave.
We are a family and you are leaving us again at a critical time, this is the last time I'm asking you to stay.
I really appreciate it, and this is the last time I answer you, I'm out.
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Well since this is the second time you're pulling this crap, I say go ahead and leave. And don't come back
Good luck on whatever you decide to do next
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Oh man, that's a shame. Regarding the administration of the clan, you should have spoken up man, other people agree with you. The only way that things will change is if someone actually starts a conversation about it. Unfortunately it appears to be really common here for people to say 'I don't like this so I'm going to give up on it' instead of 'I don't like this, so I'm going to try to change it'.
VU got a great history but when something bad happens, everything can be ruined.
This is another thing that happens all the time. People take the most recent drama and allow it to colour their whole picture of the clan. It's a real shame, and a flaw in logic.
Anyway, just so you know, we had planned to make your promotion topic to full VU today haha :') Basically everyone here thinks you're great, and that you've completely shown us how much a member of this family you are. This is out of character for you, and I think it's because of the weird logic that I mentioned above that seems to be symptomatic of VC:MP players. If you wished to change your mind, and try to change how the clan is run, you would be in a good position to do so.
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Well since this is the second time you're pulling this crap, I say go ahead and leave. And don't come back
Good luck on whatever you decide to do next
Thank u Ferrari, appreciate your words ^-^
Oh man, that's a shame. Regarding the administration of the clan, you should have spoken up man, other people agree with you. The only way that things will change is if someone actually starts a conversation about it. Unfortunately it appears to be really common here for people to say 'I don't like this so I'm going to give up on it' instead of 'I don't like this, so I'm going to try to change it'.
VU got a great history but when something bad happens, everything can be ruined.
This is another thing that happens all the time. People take the most recent drama and allow it to colour their whole picture of the clan. It's a real shame, and a flaw in logic.
Anyway, just so you know, we had planned to make your promotion topic to full VU today haha :') Basically everyone here thinks you're great, and that you've completely shown us how much a member of this family you are. This is out of character for you, and I think it's because of the weird logic that I mentioned above that seems to be symptomatic of VC:MP players. If you wished to change your mind, and try to change how the clan is run, you would be in a good position to do so.
I already took my decision Charley, thanks for your words you will be always a good teacher of the VUs, I REALLY appreciate your words. And thanks for my promotion xd.
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Good luck with whatever you do
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Thank you Riders :)
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Wow again? you little piece of shit, get the fuck out.
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I'm not leaving the clan because we lost the vicewar again
Yep, it's amal's reason to leave.
I didn't mentioned it but when I left VU in 27 december, I left because I wanted personally to join in [ON]. I was already thinking, about to take their hacks to report them.
After all I joined in ON, and did my work.
What next clan you will join for hacks?
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bad choice , next vice war VU will win and Good Luck.
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Good luck with whatever you do
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I always feel nostalgic when someone leaves any clan. It's a bit sad decision. Anyway, good luck.
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Good luck dude :(
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Oh man, that's a shame. Regarding the administration of the clan, you should have spoken up man, other people agree with you. The only way that things will change is if someone actually starts a conversation about it. Unfortunately it appears to be really common here for people to say 'I don't like this so I'm going to give up on it' instead of 'I don't like this, so I'm going to try to change it'.
VU got a great history but when something bad happens, everything can be ruined.
This is another thing that happens all the time. People take the most recent drama and allow it to colour their whole picture of the clan. It's a real shame, and a flaw in logic.
If you look at it Charley, the recent events painted a somewhat hopeless situation. It would denote that it takes "power" for a change to occur, not opinion, and Gohan lacks that "power" to be in a position to have a stronger voice, so you just leave the situation rather than confront it. No matter how we explain it, the circle represents a power to those not in it and my guess is the hope towards being in the circle for dilemmas such as this is causing issues. I could be wrong but thats how I feel.
Regarding Freak's situation, there are 2 parts of it but everyone keeps saying one view so idk if the 2 views are known/considered. My understanding is that after days of no answer he posted an apology and then was kicked, unfair right? I dont blame that view but then theres the 2nd view. The rationale behind the kick was that because of Freak's non-cooperation and then a sudden interest to make an apology, that apology may have not been sincere and was only to prevent the threat of kicking him which he have been aware of before it was executed.
Idk about you or anyone else but one side speaks unfair and the other side speaks justified. Which is true? Idk, without solid proof I think the decision is wrong because what if it was all out of coincidence that the time Freak was ready he was kicked. But what if it is true that the apology was all for show since for days of saying he doesnt care an apology comes couple moments before his kick, what if thats true? Its a hard position to be put in, and someone's gonna end up hurt whether the clan in the long run or a potentially innocent person. Im hoping that was considered in your reasons for leaving. I didnt make the decision but even I cant ignore the possibility. Thats the situation Gohana
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[SS]Gohan good look :)
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Good luck with whatever you do
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Man, when I saw you leave the group and said to look at forum I know what you had done. Here's the thing about the points you've made that don't link in. The way the clan is runned it might be the best way, theres no absolute power. You're saying that you are against thos T votes with player with bad reputation, man didn't you read my topic on the voyage board? This ideology is what VU is all about, we're here to help improve the community if the player has a potential we're here to help them reach what they want and turn them into someone respectable. THIS, is what sets us apart. We're not the elite circle only acepting elite players. We're not like that.
Anyway you could of spoken up about this. Like we've talked several months ago. Its sad to see you leave man really. You were a really great asset but the way you handle things was not right in MY opinion. Good luck in whatever you do.
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Good luck in your future.
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Wow again? you little piece of shit, get the fuck out.
Already did my little shit :)
I'm not leaving the clan because we lost the vicewar again
Yep, it's amal's reason to leave.
I didn't mentioned it but when I left VU in 27 december, I left because I wanted personally to join in [ON]. I was already thinking, about to take their hacks to report them.
After all I joined in ON, and did my work.
What next clan you will join for hacks?
I'm looking for VA.
Oh man, that's a shame. Regarding the administration of the clan, you should have spoken up man, other people agree with you. The only way that things will change is if someone actually starts a conversation about it. Unfortunately it appears to be really common here for people to say 'I don't like this so I'm going to give up on it' instead of 'I don't like this, so I'm going to try to change it'.
VU got a great history but when something bad happens, everything can be ruined.
This is another thing that happens all the time. People take the most recent drama and allow it to colour their whole picture of the clan. It's a real shame, and a flaw in logic.
If you look at it Charley, the recent events painted a somewhat hopeless situation. It would denote that it takes "power" for a change to occur, not opinion, and Gohan lacks that "power" to be in a position to have a stronger voice, so you just leave the situation rather than confront it. No matter how we explain it, the circle represents a power to those not in it and my guess is the hope towards being in the circle for dilemmas such as this is causing issues. I could be wrong but thats how I feel.
Regarding Freak's situation, there are 2 parts of it but everyone keeps saying one view so idk if the 2 views are known/considered. My understanding is that after days of no answer he posted an apology and then was kicked, unfair right? I dont blame that view but then theres the 2nd view. The rationale behind the kick was that because of Freak's non-cooperation and then a sudden interest to make an apology, that apology may have not been sincere and was only to prevent the threat of kicking him which he have been aware of before it was executed.
Idk about you or anyone else but one side speaks unfair and the other side speaks justified. Which is true? Idk, without solid proof I think the decision is wrong because what if it was all out of coincidence that the time Freak was ready he was kicked. But what if it is true that the apology was all for show since for days of saying he doesnt care an apology comes couple moments before his kick, what if thats true? Its a hard position to be put in, and someone's gonna end up hurt whether the clan in the long run or a potentially innocent person. Im hoping that was considered in your reasons for leaving. I didnt make the decision but even I cant ignore the possibility. Thats the situation Gohana
I know the situation my friend, but I already took my decision. Thank you.
Man, when I saw you leave the group and said to look at forum I know what you had done. Here's the thing about the points you've made that don't link in. The way the clan is runned it might be the best way, theres no absolute power. You're saying that you are against thos T votes with player with bad reputation, man didn't you read my topic on the voyage board? This ideology is what VU is all about, we're here to help improve the community if the player has a potential we're here to help them reach what they want and turn them into someone respectable. THIS, is what sets us apart. We're not the elite circle only acepting elite players. We're not like that.
Anyway you could of spoken up about this. Like we've talked several months ago. Its sad to see you leave man really. You were a really great asset but the way you handle things was not right in MY opinion. Good luck in whatever you do.
Gracias amigo, decidi esto hace bastante pero despues de lo de freak y otras cosas mas decidi dejar esto antes que empeore.
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Wrong rated you @Gohan(I wanted to rate funny) , Anways good luck one more time.
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Good luck ;)
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kids please :-X
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I'm looking for VA.
VA is very legit cheaters, I did not saw any excommunication about their whole clan, only few persons and very temporal.
Anyway good luck James, don't forget to return all stuff to Q.
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good luck.
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good luck man
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I suppose good luck in the future, Gohana. But I highly disagree about you joining SS.
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Adios amigo , buena suerte en tu futuro .
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Gohan it was not a decesion to make. Anyways, I wish you luck for your future. Keep rocking. 8)
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Disappointed.
Nos vemos al rato colega, suerte.
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Oh por Dios! Que acabas de hacer gohan! Si VU es el clan más grande de la historia!
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Wow again? you little piece of shit, get the fuck out.
rude :/
Good luck Gohana!
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Good luck bro ;)
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Wow again? you little piece of shit, get the fuck out.
rude :/
Good luck Gohana!
So you want me to kiss his ass again for leaving again? yeah, you probably not understand how much disappoint and hurt i am because of that idiot, who came here crying begging for chance and from bottom my heart i gave him that and he blow it away like some slut was asking for a blow job, oh well who i am explaining to.
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Gracias amigo, decidi esto hace bastante pero despues de lo de freak y otras cosas mas decidi dejar esto antes que empeore.
So you decided to leave "before things got worse" wow.
Honestly, good luck man. But VU isn't defenitly the clan for you, we don't need that kind of attitude.
We honestly thought you had changed, guess we were somewhat wrong.
Props for whole ON thing though, that was really good.
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Wow again? you little piece of shit, get the fuck out.
rude :/
Good luck Gohana!
So you want me to kiss his ass again for leaving again? yeah, you probably not understand how much disappoint and hurt i am because of that idiot, who came here crying begging for chance and from bottom my heart i gave him that and he blow it away like some slut was asking for a blow job, oh well who i am explaining to.
did you kissed his ass when he left for the first time,bro? he's leaving, just say a good bye with no hard feelings, not everyone is same as you or as me, why so rude :/
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yeah kiss dad ass
hhahah repa
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Wow again? you little piece of shit, get the fuck out.
rude :/
Good luck Gohana!
So you want me to kiss his ass again for leaving again? yeah, you probably not understand how much disappoint and hurt i am because of that idiot, who came here crying begging for chance and from bottom my heart i gave him that and he blow it away like some slut was asking for a blow job, oh well who i am explaining to.
did you kissed his ass when he left for the first time,bro? he's leaving, just say a good bye with no hard feelings, not everyone is same as you or as me, why so rude :/
I can say he kissed my ass for get trainee vote in his last application. anyway all doors are closed for him in VU.
just like someone is rating agree to you for spend a night with you..hic
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Thread is dead. No drama, Good luck Gohan!