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Discussion => VC:MP General => Topic started by: lederhos on March 26, 2020, 12:12:16 pm
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Hello kids,
There have been many topics praising the existence of this mod, its freedom when it comes to dming and etc. During my VCMP journey, I have witnessed plenty of memorable times, moments that when you somehow intend to leave the game force you to go back and open the VCMP browser.
I was just playing some duels with some random guy (it's not hard to admit I getting rekt ((as many say)) I am not even a half of what I was) whose name I will of course not mention, and while I was playing I just started thinking why this mod should not definitely exist anymore
Saying the community of this wonderful game is highly toxic sounds cliche nowadays, and even though it is, it's not definitely a reason for leaving a game.
The 1st reason to admit that having this game alive is a sin, is hosts, in fact, this is the reason itself of why this game should not exist anymore. Believe it or not, low pingers (mostly European players, as hosts are often in Paris or Berlin) are always on disadvantage, but as most members of the community are high pinger users, they tend to hide themselves among each other to create the false belief that playing with people that has over 150 ping is fair, but in no way is it fair.
Back in 2017, there was a match on VCDC finals, jUan (who I don't get along well with) vs Freak (a very close friend of mine) and it doesn't hurt admitting that jUan was in clear disadvantage, as a low-pinger, he was forced to OVER-lead aim to reach Freak, of course, I am not saying that without lag, jUan would have won, but, realizing he was in disadvantage is a point to be made. For laggers like me (LA player) it's easy to get used to playing under laggy conditions and eventually you'll consider yourself a pro because you are untouchable, but, this is not due to your mighty skills, but to your lag and to me, it looks like lagging has turned into an "ego-booster", as the more unhittable you are due to lag, the more you brag.
The 2nd reason, and the most despicable one, is the normalization of these behaviors on the game, that have eventually made of VC an "unplayable" game for many. Yes, what I mean by normalizing these behaviors, I mean that we have normalized the "high pingers" are fair players is one of them and this is something that in other games is completely impossible, you won't find it normal in games like Fortnite or Apex Legends, and going stages down, not even games like CS:GO or similar ones, will allow that. Probably around 80% of the VCMP players are Asian or American people that play in European servers, funny, huh.
Just to close this shit, I'd like to say, that in no way I am directly encouraging to the closure of this mod, as it's just a part of being critical towards something; also, many friends of mine and of yours, are here, and this is certainly the only thing that unites both parts, isn't it? It's normal, many people are attached to the game due to friendships, memories or even factions, many people love scripting for VCMP, many others love just chilling online in Vice City, and that's where RPG and other alternatives appear, but I ain't going that deep.
Of course, this is just my point of view and in no way am I intending to encourage you to leave nor close the game, I'm just seeing the other face of the whole thing and viewing it from a critical point, but well, I don't expect you all to understand.
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hi retard, vc-mp made me what i'm today, well it did influence me to some part of my life. so shut the fuck up
:D have a nice daaaaaaaaaye and t.c
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hi retard, vc-mp made me what i'm today, well it did influence me to some part of my life. so shut the fuck up
:D have a nice daaaaaaaaaye and t.c
why so pissed
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hi retard, vc-mp made me what i'm today, well it did influence me to some part of my life. so shut the fuck up
:D have a nice daaaaaaaaaye and t.c
why so pissed
Quarantine side effects bro.
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you don't know manys play with single player
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This is most likely to be the kind of post that makes me log-in and put my two cents, especially at the time during quarentine.
To clear up a little bit: VC:MP was and is an unnofficial mod, there aren't or weren't companies like R* behind the development and constant moderation. There wasn't money behind or such any type of interests. Just a few GTA amateur lovers and eventually programmers, decided to get into the adventure by their own. And since that moment, a community takes the lead of it by contributing through playing, and essentially bringing servers and gamemodes to feed the options. As well as the same people that created the mod, all the servers were conceptually created (gamemode) and codded (scripts) and served to the community (independently hosted & paid from their pockets) to just play by a click and brought to reallity some of the many legendary servers that existed.
This is a community unnofficial mod standing by the pass of the time and modernity as it can. Comparisons with Fortnite, Apex, CS:GO won't never ever fit in the same box as VC:MP. Not even speaking about those are modern games, but the main reason is that those games were created and moderated by companies. There are other type of interests, and the money that game companies invest are proportional to their popularity & playercount.
The difference I point out is clear and huge. That's not a reason in my opinion, every unnofficial mod from certain official game start as a community project from the day zero. Fortnite or CS:GO players don't suffer ping issues or "unfair" advantages over laggers: yes, that's the role from their companies, because they can. Because they have the budget the project size and the team to set up match-making sessions in "South-American" "North-American" "European" or "Asian" and so on servers. And to speak the truth, there are a few official multiplayer games that just the half of match-making options I listed there just to cut the budget a bit...
So if we expect match-making sessions to have equality, let me tell you something: you have been playing the wrong game for a long time. This has always been like that. Along the time I'm in touch with this mod I have seen mostly European Servers due to the fact that a big number of game-servers and players started it from there. There were American servers as well but a few and they didn't do well.
Yes, you can judge maybe the fact that you don't find many location-based servers variety but that are pure facts too: there isn't a significant demand of (for example) American players to have a official server hub version from there. And like I mentioned before, the hosting expenses are still covered by the same people like you could be, but with dedication and a touch of nostalic I personally feel.
You can't just be that demanding if you have my points in mind, except if you are willing to invest in more server hosts in Asia or America. The ethos of a community are contributions in the first place, everyone could have easily claimed the same thing way before after getting raged by ping issues. This is old story and it is just about having the dimensions of what VC:MP really is.
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lederhos crybaby go play fortnite
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This is most likely to be the kind of post that makes me log-in and put my two cents, especially at the time during quarentine.
To clear up a little bit: VC:MP was and is an unnofficial mod, there aren't or weren't companies like R* behind the development and constant moderation. There wasn't money behind or such any type of interests. Just a few GTA amateur lovers and eventually programmers, decided to get into the adventure by their own. And since that moment, a community takes the lead of it by contributing through playing, and essentially bringing servers and gamemodes to feed the options. As well as the same people that created the mod, all the servers were conceptually created (gamemode) and codded (scripts) and served to the community (independently hosted & paid from their pockets) to just play by a click and brought to reallity some of the many legendary servers that existed.
This is a community unnofficial mod standing by the pass of the time and modernity as it can. Comparisons with Fortnite, Apex, CS:GO won't never ever fit in the same box as VC:MP. Not even speaking about those are modern games, but the main reason is that those games were created and moderated by companies. There are other type of interests, and the money that game companies invest are proportional to their popularity & playercount.
The difference I point out is clear and huge. That's not a reason in my opinion, every unnofficial mod from certain official game start as a community project from the day zero. Fortnite or CS:GO players don't suffer ping issues or "unfair" advantages over laggers: yes, that's the role from their companies, because they can. Because they have the budget the project size and the team to set up match-making sessions in "South-American" "North-American" "European" or "Asian" and so on servers. And to speak the truth, there are a few official multiplayer games that just the half of match-making options I listed there just to cut the budget a bit...
So if we expect match-making sessions to have equality, let me tell you something: you have been playing the wrong game for a long time. This has always been like that. Along the time I'm in touch with this mod I have seen mostly European Servers due to the fact that a big number of game-servers and players started it from there. There were American servers as well but a few and they didn't do well.
Yes, you can judge maybe the fact that you don't find many location-based servers variety but that are pure facts too: there isn't a significant demand of (for example) American players to have a official server hub version from there. And like I mentioned before, the hosting expenses are still covered by the same people like you could be, but with dedication and a touch of nostalic I personally feel.
You can't just be that demanding if you have my points in mind, except if you are willing to invest in more server hosts in Asia or America. The ethos of a community are contributions in the first place, everyone could have easily claimed the same thing way before after getting raged by ping issues. This is old story and it is just about having the dimensions of what VC:MP really is.
You got a point in the part of budget, I am pretty self-aware of this, but that means that you are indirectly accepting the existence of this unfairness in-game due to the lack of budget, isn't it? Point A
Second part, why are you saying that I am demanding things? Did you ever ser me saying, we should do this, we should get this or this? Hmmm no, I just pointed out the negative side of the game and you completely mistook my point, also by adding the clause that " You have been playing the wrong game all time" but, where was I demanding something? Where was I regretting from playing VCMP? Did I say that? Hmmm, no, those are just random thoughts that came across my mind, and my arguments are backed by many, of course, you won't see high-pingers ever agreeing with me.
Now, to finish my response to your quote, yeah you definitely got a good point (no budget = partially poor results) this means you are accepting this, having poor results due to the lack of investment means that it is worth-existing although the unfairness and the presence of huge flaws while playing? Hmm no, and that's the point of my question that I hope you understand this time if you ever read.
PD: I know I can't expect much from VCMP, does that avoid me from being critical? Nah, I think such thing is missing in this community.
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If you can't buy a modern game from steam library, don't cry on VC-MP being unstable piece of shit.
There's a big majority of players who cannot afford a legally bought online multiplayer game so they look for free unofficial free mods.
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Bruh, wasted my thusday.
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If you can't buy a modern game from steam library, don't cry on VC-MP being unstable piece of shit.
There's a big majority of players who cannot afford a legally bought online multiplayer game so they look for free unofficial free mods.
So, am I supposed to allow you to treat me like that when I haven't even insulted nor adressed you, nor talked not anything so far? Also, in case you are joking, I don't remember having such closeness with you.
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Press F, it's a public topic. No one addressed you by your name afaik.
I'll add, 'majority'
Let me be very clear, this wasn't a personal attack to your ego, the only intention was to show the reality of major players who cannot afford a legally bought game so they look for free alternatives, and if you don't like the free alternative because you can have a better platform then at least do not complain about how a free alternative is bad as compared to paid one,. Because it's free, it's true that developers have given up their time to provide a free alternative to those who cannot have fun without this. So in summary, VCMP along with other kids such as SAMP or GTA IV mod, the new mod GTA Connected might be based on a bad game engine but at least it's playable and people just keep coming back to it for a reason.
Rate brain donor plz
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Thomas, I think you have posted enough here, stay away from this topic already. Your hostile behaviour against Lederhos for no reason is something that has brought my attention and maybe others'.
About the topic itself, I kinda find out what your point is Led. However, that doesn't mean most of community will get it the same way. The main reason is because most of VCMP players are Asians; they might feel a little uncomortable with your thoughts and so they may be offended with that said.
Clarifying that, everything lies in what Castagna mentions, this is a mod created by fans who were not looking for a lucrative purpose and who did not have the necessary equipment either. What has been done to this day is thanks to the will and initiative of members of this community who have volunteered to keep this game alive with what is possible. Nevertheless, I can't hide my agreement to your thoughts. People might start to say 'ey but you lag yourself, 10 fps bla bla' and that shit, and I don't really care about it anymore. I acknowledge the way I used to lag, and still do and it's completely different unlike before. I'm just trying to clear out facts and give my opinion.
In the same way that for the Europeans it is more difficult to play with us (Americans), and Asians. For us it is to play with Asians since it is a fact that our pings are generally within 150-200, we put ourselves in a similar situation with those of 200+ ping. Our own ping and theirs makes everything more complicated. And the problem isn't that at all, it is:
eventually you'll consider yourself a pro because you are untouchable, but, this is not due to your mighty skills, but to your lag and to me, it looks like lagging has turned into an "ego-booster", as the more unhittable you are due to lag, the more you brag.
I've seen it a ton of times, and maybe I've done it myself a few times to those who brag out even more about themselves. Well yeah, that's the way this game has settled to be, and unfortunately there's no other thing to that can be done so far. That's one of the main reasons I've stopped playing this game so often; I tried to come back a few months ago but due to nowadays players I left again. And as I said before, this isn't a complain, here we are trying to have a polite conversation about the topic.
Where I'm trying go is, we all have learnt to deal with how this game is. It has became relatively normal, and the things we have now, is what it's going to be until the final day. That being said it is undeniable, that many have somehow enjoyed the game, including all those flaws, which to tell the truth, are innocent, the creators of the mod used the resources they had and thereby succeeded in doing a good job.
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Thomas, I think you have posted enough here, stay away from this topic already. Your hostile behaviour against Lederhos for no reason is something that has brought my attention and maybe others'.
About the topic itself, I kinda find out what your point is Led. However, that doesn't mean most of community will get it the same way. The main reason is because most of VCMP players are Asians; they might feel a little uncomortable with your thoughts and so they may be offended with that said.
Clarifying that, everything lies in what Castagna mentions, this is a mod created by fans who were not looking for a lucrative purpose and who did not have the necessary equipment either. What has been done to this day is thanks to the will and initiative of members of this community who have volunteered to keep this game alive with what is possible. Nevertheless, I can't hide my agreement to your thoughts. People might start to say 'ey but you lag yourself, 10 fps bla bla' and that shit, and I don't really care about it anymore. I acknowledge the way I used to lag, and still do and it's completely different unlike before. I'm just trying to clear out facts and give my opinion.
In the same way that for the Europeans it is more difficult to play with us (Americans), and Asians. For us it is to play with Asians since it is a fact that our pings are generally within 150-200, we put ourselves in a similar situation with those of 200+ ping. Our own ping and theirs makes everything more complicated. And the problem isn't that at all, it is:
eventually you'll consider yourself a pro because you are untouchable, but, this is not due to your mighty skills, but to your lag and to me, it looks like lagging has turned into an "ego-booster", as the more unhittable you are due to lag, the more you brag.
I've seen it a ton of times, and maybe I've done it myself a few times to those who brag out even more about themselves. Well yeah, that's the way this game has settled to be, and unfortunately there's no other thing to that can be done so far. That's one of the main reasons I've stopped playing this game so often; I tried to come back a few months ago but due to nowadays players I left again. And as I said before, this isn't a complain, here we are trying to have a polite conversation about the topic.
Where I'm trying go is, we all have learnt to deal with how this game is. It has became relatively normal, and the things we have now, is what it's going to be until the final day. That being said it is undeniable, that many have somehow enjoyed the game, including all those flaws, which to tell the truth, are innocent, the creators of the mod used the resources they had and thereby succeeded in doing a good job.
yeah man you got it the way it is, nevertheless I talked to Castagna personally about this in EA few days back and yeah, it was nothing heated just some exchange of opinions and that's it.
I told aXXo man that just after 7 years of playing this mod I'm just now starting to assimilate how it actually works and etc and to be honest I don't intend either on leaving this game at short term hehe fuck it, thanks for sharing your thoughts as it was the plan of it.
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I was asked to respond to this thread thoroughly so here I am responding to it thoroughly
though I probably have much more relevant things I need to attend to but whatever it's my 1800th post
Hello kids,
still seeing a bit of snot on your nose there so it's probably too early for greetings like that
There have been many topics praising the existence of this mod, its freedom when it comes to dming and etc. During my VCMP journey, I have witnessed plenty of memorable times, moments that when you somehow intend to leave the game force you to go back and open the VCMP browser.
cannot and will not argue there, I've been sharing this sentiment for the last 9 years and 3 months (and counting)
I was just playing some duels with some random guy (it's not hard to admit I getting rekt ((as many say)) I am not even a half of what I was) whose name I will of course not mention, and while I was playing I just started thinking why this mod should not definitely exist anymore
now being personally shit at deathmatching should probably not give you reason to declare the worthlessness of a multiplayer modification loved by many
it is unfitting and quite selfish if I dare say so myself :o
Saying the community of this wonderful game is highly toxic sounds cliche nowadays, and even though it is, it's not definitely a reason for leaving a game.
objectively speaking, the game always stays the game
with the plethora of possibilities we have been given with the release of 0.4, I could quite honestly say there is literally something for everyone these days
latching on to the worst part (toxicity) is subjective, masochistic and exclusively personal preference
so yes, it is not a reason for leaving the game
The 1st reason to admit that having this game alive is a sin, is hosts, in fact, this is the reason itself of why this game should not exist anymore. Believe it or not, low pingers (mostly European players, as hosts are often in Paris or Berlin) are always on disadvantage, but as most members of the community are high pinger users, they tend to hide themselves among each other to create the false belief that playing with people that has over 150 ping is fair, but in no way is it fair.
honestly -
- nobody is forcing or [amendment:
(or even asking) (ok, fine. offering to play - maybe, but in no way...)] imploring the high pingers to play on servers designated for low pingers - the aforementioned happening creates discrepancies not only in the aspect of latency, but also in the ethnical, cultural and linguistic departments
- I don't see the issue in, and at the same time see a solution for, everyone being able to play at low pings
- to bring this list to a logical conclusion - high pingers play on far away servers solely out of personal preference, to which I, as a member of management of a European-hosted server do not object to by any means
Back in 2017, there was a match on VCDC finals, jUan (who I don't get along well with) vs Freak (a very close friend of mine) and it doesn't hurt admitting that jUan was in clear disadvantage, as a low-pinger, he was forced to OVER-lead aim to reach Freak, of course, I am not saying that without lag, jUan would have won, but, realizing he was in disadvantage is a point to be made. For laggers like me (LA player) it's easy to get used to playing under laggy conditions and eventually you'll consider yourself a pro because you are untouchable, but, this is not due to your mighty skills, but to your lag and to me, it looks like lagging has turned into an "ego-booster", as the more unhittable you are due to lag, the more you brag.
what?
we are in the second decade of the second millennium, VC:MP has been around for 15 years (if not more), and you are suddenly bringing up (and exaggerating the fact of) lead-aiming?
what in the world is "OVER-lead aiming"?
- laggy VC:MP players have been playing the mod since it's very inception
- there have ALWAYS been low-pingers far less capable than jUan and there have ALWAYS been laggers with a much greater asspull than Freak and both sides have ALWAYS successfully prevailed over one another in their battles.
- the real ones rarely ever complain about anyone lagging because 'lag' is such a miserable excuse these days, and it honestly always has been a miserable excuse. there is nobody that lead-aim cannot solve in VC:MP
amendment: refrained from including (or in this case excluding) hackers from the last point because they are not worth, or the point of discussion here
The 2nd reason, and the most despicable one, is the normalization of these behaviors on the game, that have eventually made of VC an "unplayable" game for many. Yes, what I mean by normalizing these behaviors, I mean that we have normalized the "high pingers" are fair players is one of them and this is something that in other games is completely impossible, you won't find it normal in games like Fortnite or Apex Legends, and going stages down, not even games like CS:GO or similar ones, will allow that. Probably around 80% of the VCMP players are Asian or American people that play in European servers, funny, huh.
as I wrote earlier, this 'normalization' you speak of is purely personal preference and it can be improved if somebody will want to take care of it in a way to actually improve it.
another actual reason (and another reason why your Fortnite/Apex Legends/CS:GO analogy is complete fucking bullshit) is because all the platforms you mentioned give players the possibility to disperse themselves in such a way that nobody lags at the end of the day.
Just to close this shit, I'd like to say, that in no way I am directly encouraging to the closure of this mod, as it's just a part of being critical towards something; also, many friends of mine and of yours, are here, and this is certainly the only thing that unites both parts, isn't it? It's normal, many people are attached to the game due to friendships, memories or even factions, many people love scripting for VCMP, many others love just chilling online in Vice City, and that's where RPG and other alternatives appear, but I ain't going that deep.
yeah sure why not
Of course, this is just my point of view and in no way am I intending to encourage you to leave nor close the game, I'm just seeing the other face of the whole thing and viewing it from a critical point, but well, I don't expect you all to understand.
no, just no.
amendment: to me, this looks like a hate speech from a guy that can't confess his incompetence in having his ass whopped on a 20-kill streak by someone better than him
which, by the way, you pretty much admitted to in the very beginning of your text
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This gun above, is to protect yourself from retarded repliers/replies, use it in case of:
1. Butthurting
2. Provoking
3. Useless replies
honestly Lederhos, with all due respect, keep the gun to yourself because this post has clearly reflected on you all the 3 qualities you wrote above.
honestly I don't even want to respond to the rest, which is why I'm not going to comment on how Thomas never comes up with anything constructive in the big boy topics and I will not ask him to stay in his lane, and I will also not congratulate him on his demotion.
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I was asked to respond to this thread thoroughly so here I am responding to it thoroughly
though I probably have much more relevant things I need to attend to but whatever it's my 1800th post
Hello kids,
still seeing a bit of snot on your nose there so it's probably too early for greetings like that
There have been many topics praising the existence of this mod, its freedom when it comes to dming and etc. During my VCMP journey, I have witnessed plenty of memorable times, moments that when you somehow intend to leave the game force you to go back and open the VCMP browser.
cannot and will not argue there, I've been sharing this sentiment for the last 9 years and 3 months (and counting)
I was just playing some duels with some random guy (it's not hard to admit I getting rekt ((as many say)) I am not even a half of what I was) whose name I will of course not mention, and while I was playing I just started thinking why this mod should not definitely exist anymore
now being personally shit at deathmatching should probably not give you reason to declare the worthlessness of a multiplayer modification loved by many
it is unfitting and quite selfish if I dare say so myself :o
Saying the community of this wonderful game is highly toxic sounds cliche nowadays, and even though it is, it's not definitely a reason for leaving a game.
objectively speaking, the game always stays the game
with the plethora of possibilities we have been given with the release of 0.4, I could quite honestly say there is literally something for everyone these days
latching on to the worst part (toxicity) is subjective, masochistic and exclusively personal preference
so yes, it is not a reason for leaving the game
The 1st reason to admit that having this game alive is a sin, is hosts, in fact, this is the reason itself of why this game should not exist anymore. Believe it or not, low pingers (mostly European players, as hosts are often in Paris or Berlin) are always on disadvantage, but as most members of the community are high pinger users, they tend to hide themselves among each other to create the false belief that playing with people that has over 150 ping is fair, but in no way is it fair.
honestly -
- nobody is forcing or [amendment:
(or even asking) (ok, fine. offering to play - maybe, but in no way...)] imploring the high pingers to play on servers designated for low pingers - the aforementioned happening creates discrepancies not only in the aspect of latency, but also in the ethnical, cultural and linguistic departments
- I don't see the issue in, and at the same time see a solution for, everyone being able to play at low pings
- to bring this list to a logical conclusion - high pingers play on far away servers solely out of personal preference, to which I, as a member of management of a European-hosted server do not object to by any means
Back in 2017, there was a match on VCDC finals, jUan (who I don't get along well with) vs Freak (a very close friend of mine) and it doesn't hurt admitting that jUan was in clear disadvantage, as a low-pinger, he was forced to OVER-lead aim to reach Freak, of course, I am not saying that without lag, jUan would have won, but, realizing he was in disadvantage is a point to be made. For laggers like me (LA player) it's easy to get used to playing under laggy conditions and eventually you'll consider yourself a pro because you are untouchable, but, this is not due to your mighty skills, but to your lag and to me, it looks like lagging has turned into an "ego-booster", as the more unhittable you are due to lag, the more you brag.
what?
we are in the second decade of the second millennium, VC:MP has been around for 15 years (if not more), and you are suddenly bringing up (and exaggerating the fact of) lead-aiming?
what in the world is "OVER-lead aiming"?
- laggy VC:MP players have been playing the mod since it's very inception
- there have ALWAYS been low-pingers far less capable than jUan and there have ALWAYS been laggers with a much greater asspull than Freak and both sides have ALWAYS successfully prevailed over one another in their battles.
- the real ones rarely ever complain about anyone lagging because 'lag' is such a miserable excuse these days, and it honestly always has been a miserable excuse. there is nobody that lead-aim cannot solve in VC:MP
amendment: refrained from including (or in this case excluding) hackers from the last point because they are not worth, or the point of discussion here
The 2nd reason, and the most despicable one, is the normalization of these behaviors on the game, that have eventually made of VC an "unplayable" game for many. Yes, what I mean by normalizing these behaviors, I mean that we have normalized the "high pingers" are fair players is one of them and this is something that in other games is completely impossible, you won't find it normal in games like Fortnite or Apex Legends, and going stages down, not even games like CS:GO or similar ones, will allow that. Probably around 80% of the VCMP players are Asian or American people that play in European servers, funny, huh.
as I wrote earlier, this 'normalization' you speak of is purely personal preference and it can be improved if somebody will want to take care of it in a way to actually improve it.
another actual reason (and another reason why your Fortnite/Apex Legends/CS:GO analogy is complete fucking bullshit) is because all the platforms you mentioned give players the possibility to disperse themselves in such a way that nobody lags at the end of the day.
Just to close this shit, I'd like to say, that in no way I am directly encouraging to the closure of this mod, as it's just a part of being critical towards something; also, many friends of mine and of yours, are here, and this is certainly the only thing that unites both parts, isn't it? It's normal, many people are attached to the game due to friendships, memories or even factions, many people love scripting for VCMP, many others love just chilling online in Vice City, and that's where RPG and other alternatives appear, but I ain't going that deep.
yeah sure why not
Of course, this is just my point of view and in no way am I intending to encourage you to leave nor close the game, I'm just seeing the other face of the whole thing and viewing it from a critical point, but well, I don't expect you all to understand.
no, just no.
amendment: to me, this looks like a hate speech from a guy that can't confess his incompetence in having his ass whopped on a 20-kill streak by someone better than him
which, by the way, you pretty much admitted to in the very beginning of your text
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This gun above, is to protect yourself from retarded repliers/replies, use it in case of:
1. Butthurting
2. Provoking
3. Useless replies
honestly Lederhos, with all due respect, keep the gun to yourself because this post has clearly reflected on you all the 3 qualities you wrote above.
honestly I don't even want to respond to the rest, which is why I'm not going to comment on how Thomas never comes up with anything constructive in the big boy topics and I will not ask him to stay in his lane, and I will also not congratulate him on his demotion.
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bro you left me speechless really never seen that much non-sense not even with panzer i just made a meme for this because really this ahahaha
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wow that response was ass, and extremely underwhelming
I really was expecting you to continue the discussion because I actually brought forward some good arguments but that's where my high expectations usually lead me
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Guys I am selling popcorn and pepsi! 50ARDs combo!
Have a seat and enjoy the epic drama series of 'Why vcmp shouldn't EXIST'
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Have a seat and enjoy the epic drama series of 'Why vcmp shouldn't EXIST'
nothing worth enjoying because this is my last post and because it would mostly be me making rational and constructive comments and lederhos replying with ass quality memes
I'm going to follow my own advice and stay away from this toxicity because it's not worth it with fuckwits like this
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In my opinion, some points of both thoughts are valid. Lederhos has a point saying that low pingers have some disadvantages against high pingers (in reality, ping spikers). But, as does morphine, I don't think that's really much of a big problem, or better said a reason for which the game should not exist.
Synchronization / this kind of disadvantages have been a problem since VC:MP origins (although, nowadays in 0.4 it's much, much better). It's however something that players have managed to trespass using lead aim, a technique that everyone knows how to use, enjoying the game and having fun despite these differences - even creating events which is much. People chose to adapt rather than leaving in their own; and imo it makes the game being quite of most interesting to be honest.
laggy VC:MP players have been playing the mod since it's very inception
there have ALWAYS been low-pingers far less capable than jUan and there have ALWAYS been laggers with a much greater asspull than Freak and both sides have ALWAYS successfully prevailed over one another in their battles.
the real ones rarely ever complain about anyone lagging because 'lag' is such a miserable excuse these days, and it honestly always has been a miserable excuse.
There is nobody that lead-aim cannot solve in VC:MP
If you wanna go through a more efficient solution (in case you think lead aim isn't enough); it's just about having more players, more american servers and asian servers, which is impossible. But as I said, adapting is not much of a problem.
On an additional note, I believe that this impossibility of having american servers, that makes everyone around the world the need of playing in an european one, gives us the chance of learning about other cultures, and connecting much more than you do with people in any other game with these divisions. This is in my opinion, one of the points that makes us stay in VC-MP no matter what.
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In my opinion, some points of both thoughts are valid. Lederhos has a point saying that low pingers have some disadvantages against high pingers (in reality, ping spikers). But, as does morphine, I don't think that's really much of a big problem, or better said a reason for which the game should not exist.
Synchronization / this kind of disadvantages have been a problem since VC:MP origins (although, nowadays in 0.4 it's much, much better). It's however something that players have managed to trespass using lead aim, a technique that everyone knows how to use, enjoying the game and having fun despite these differences - even creating events which is much. People chose to adapt rather than leaving in their own; and imo it makes the game being quite of most interesting to be honest.
laggy VC:MP players have been playing the mod since it's very inception
there have ALWAYS been low-pingers far less capable than jUan and there have ALWAYS been laggers with a much greater asspull than Freak and both sides have ALWAYS successfully prevailed over one another in their battles.
the real ones rarely ever complain about anyone lagging because 'lag' is such a miserable excuse these days, and it honestly always has been a miserable excuse.
There is nobody that lead-aim cannot solve in VC:MP
If you wanna go through a more efficient solution (in case you think lead aim isn't enough); it's just about having more players, more american servers and asian servers, which is impossible. But as I said, adapting is not much of a problem.
On an additional note, I believe that this impossibility of having american servers, that makes everyone around the world the need of playing in an european one, gives us the chance of learning about other cultures, and connecting much more than you do with people in any other game with these divisions. This is in my opinion, one of the points that makes us stay in VC-MP no matter what.
I agree with most of what you said man, though as I said we are reduced to play in servers where low-pingers belong to only one region (Europe) so players must preferibly be there. That's not happening as I consider this an utopic scenario considering our player count. But one thing that I am pretty sure game creators think when making a game, mod, whatever, is to make it:
1. fun
2. fair
I know I've been comparing VC with other games that are known worldwide, but for example, PunkNoodle gave me an example a while ago:
Doom Multiplayer which is also probably an older game than VCMP (and more dead) has a system where you don't need to lead aim, you damage people where you shoot them, giving fairness to people that doesn't have lag in general. As a curious fact, this system is in Apex as well, so now you can imagine how a system that was implemented more than 10 years ago, is still in use and seems efficient. I don't know anything about scripting and VCMP mechanics, but if it was possible to get this feature added it'd compensate most things related to those delay problems, at least for people that lives near hosts.
Though your solution sounds really optimistic, I think that's what most VCMP players would like to see (including me).
Thanks for your comment, made me think more! :thumbsup:
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me right now
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me right now
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Though your solution sounds really optimistic, I think that's what most VCMP players would like to see (including me).
Thanks for your comment, made me think more! :thumbsup:
all of that is literally what I suggested you goof
Synchronization / this kind of disadvantages have been a problem since VC:MP origins (although, nowadays in 0.4 it's much, much better). It's however something that players have managed to trespass using lead aim, a technique that everyone knows how to use, enjoying the game and having fun despite these differences - even creating events which is much. People chose to adapt rather than leaving in their own; and imo it makes the game being quite of most interesting to be honest.
kid's smart, he's been doing the reading unlike some dumbfucks on this thread (yes lederhos I am talking about you, you assclown)
If you wanna go through a more efficient solution (in case you think lead aim isn't enough); it's just about having more players, more american servers and asian servers, which is impossible. But as I said, adapting is not much of a problem.
On an additional note, I believe that this impossibility of having american servers, that makes everyone around the world the need of playing in an european one, gives us the chance of learning about other cultures, and connecting much more than you do with people in any other game with these divisions. This is in my opinion, one of the points that makes us stay in VC-MP no matter what.
kid's smart yet again, albeit the alternative interpretation (which I also respect very much) in the end.
this is literally what I was hinting at in my first response - the solutions I was writing about - worldwide servers / location diversity, call it whatever you want.. "the possibility for everyone to play with low pings"
and I was expecting OP to take the hint and do some actual critical fucking thinking that he claims he's been doing instead of wasting time on these shit looking memes I wouldn't even want to wipe the fucking floor with
anyway my hat goes off to Calhoun on this one
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I think that the response got by Lederhos (the long meme) was more a reply to your way of treating him in your comment, than a reply towards the interpretation and points that you put off. Because as you said, they are similar to mine.
amendment: to me, this looks like a hate speech from a guy that can't confess his incompetence in having his ass whopped on a 20-kill streak by someone better than him
which, by the way, you pretty much admitted to in the very beginning of your text
1. Butthurting
2. Provoking
3. Useless replies
honestly Lederhos, with all due respect, keep the gun to yourself because this post has clearly reflected on you all the 3 qualities you wrote above.
I mean, I don't really think it was needed if the intention was to receive a nice response, but who am I to judge. Anyway, the points are showed off more clearly now anyway.
@leder, I haven't heard about what you wrote about DOOM Multiplayer and its system. But I would consider it an utopia too, taking into account the activity status of VC-MP developers. Let's have hope that some day it will be possible.
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amendment: to me, this looks like a hate speech from a guy that can't confess his incompetence in having his ass whopped on a 20-kill streak by someone better than him
which, by the way, you pretty much admitted to in the very beginning of your text
1. Butthurting
2. Provoking
3. Useless replies
honestly Lederhos, with all due respect, keep the gun to yourself because this post has clearly reflected on you all the 3 qualities you wrote above.
I was merely referencing what he himself wrote
the only person that really insulted lederhos is lederhos himself
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don't take it personal this time.
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don't take it personal this time.
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VC:MP dramas still alive! this is the real escense of this mod!
This is why we are here for longer, this is why much of the legends and friends left the comunity, for this kind of kids like Thomas who with the non sense topics still replying with non sense replies; this is why we still playing this game, due to us, due to the comunity that makes the game special. I've been in game with little comunities like vcmp and I can tell you that this is one of the most organized ones. forums, clans, youtube channels, videos, reports of hackers, etc.
The comunity who wants more still alive this game and you know that. And only one thing more to say, keep doing like that, that's maybe will still alive this comunity, talking about the game, saying what kind of shit it is or not, it will be get better and better. I'm glad to get back a this forums and see that everything is normal, everyone shitting in the thoughts of every kid who post non sense topics. love you vcmp and i'll remember every single good time that we've been together
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VC:MP dramas still alive! this is the real escense of this mod!
This is why we are here for longer, this is why much of the legends and friends left the comunity, for this kind of kids like Thomas who with the non sense topics still replying with non sense replies; this is why we still playing this game, due to us, due to the comunity that makes the game special. I've been in game with little comunities like vcmp and I can tell you that this is one of the most organized ones. forums, clans, youtube channels, videos, reports of hackers, etc.
The comunity who wants more still alive this game and you know that. And only one thing more to say, keep doing like that, that's maybe will still alive this comunity, talking about the game, saying what kind of shit it is or not, it will be get better and better. I'm glad to get back a this forums and see that everything is normal, everyone shitting in the thoughts of every kid who post non sense topics. love you vcmp and i'll remember every single good time that we've been together
Gotta keep this community alive somehow, you know.. keeping the forum active :3
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Thomas, I think you have posted enough here, stay away from this topic already.
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don't take it personal this time.
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Gotta keep this community alive somehow, you know.. keeping the forum active :3
Nice
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There comes only one thing in my mind and that is why even bother to play or show any interest towards this game mod, when you don't actually really like it? I agree on the point that it's unfair to play against laggers because of the players from Asia, but there ain't much you can do about it and this problem has been around for a long time and It is not going away. tbh this gamemod is actually kinda dead and never really has been "alive".
Play the games that are fun and not full of toxicity and neither dont stay here because of you friends. If they think you're important enough for them, they'll show up in other games/communities aswell.
I come back to all of this (by this I mean VCMP overall) once in a while just for the nostalgia. I spent alot of hours here when I was younger, but that's kind of it.
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wow those dramas never get dull
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im really sorry for bumping an old topic from march/april like this one, was gonna reply to it when i noticed about it like 1-2 months ago since the OP mentioned me a couple of times but didnt since i thought it wasnt worth it as lederhos wasnt even active but since lederhos has been hating on me and some other SS members around the forum and other servers i have decided to reply back.
you lederhos mentioned "jUan who i dont get along well with" well in case you dont know why we cant get along im gonna refresh your memory if you dont mind.
1. You went agaisnt a clan you praised for at least 3 years and turned agaisnt said clan with no real reason.
2. You are or were a power hungry guy who asked for more power in SS to recruit players, said power was granted to you and you recruited your beloved friend sugar, but after a few months you left and im 100% sure,so knowing how power hungry and self-centered you are that you probably took less than 1 month after getting the full membership to ask for more power like you did in SS 1 month or two before leaving.
3. When all the VW7 drama happened and i decided to leave TRC and join SS along with ELK, pettan, ryxen, kintano etc i was lets say somewhat "forced" to pm you and i only did it because Eddy one of my closest friends in this community asked me to do so, in that pm i apologized about the way i was wrong towards SS clan and the accusations i made now you can brag about it like you did many times as well.
4. My apologies for all the bullshit i threw at the SS clan were accepted so i joined SS clan, we sorted things out i mean between you and me i even wished you good luck in your VU application but you turned out to be a real hater out of nowhere when i came back from inactivity.
5. the other day you were doing nade glitching knowing that its not allowed on CTF and at the end your team lost after playing 7v4 vs me fulton and fraily then you were misusing /report cmd with /report juan tryhard.
6. You were celebrating every SS elimination from VCDC and im aware you were also so happy about fulton's loss vs hazard, well as far as i know fulton waited for you for like 6-9 months? i mean to do your Extreme Addicts EYE final match you claimed you couldnt play because you were busy and you ignored fulton a ton of times but oh dear meanwhile you were hanging out with your friends on RTV server, there isa big difference from playing a match agaisnt someone and losing such match like we SS members lost during this VCDC season but atleast we faced our matches, that is something you cant say because you avoided fulton for more than 6 months ignoring him everywhere on discord, on forums, ingame like i said everywhere and that makes you a coward which is much worse than losing in VCDC but oh wait i guess this is related to your topic since you made this "VCMP should die " topic because someone defeated you?
7. You like to brag about how you "raped" me in some Youtube vid from 2017 in some servers and to some ppl, its alright you defeated me but you were yet again lying because that happened on early-mid 2017 yet you decided to upload it on december 2017(also thanks for admitting that lag gave you some advantages, also i could at least get top-2 that year on VCDC while you were knocked down by ferrari in the round of 16 so keep bragging about that vid )
8. If I remember well you also used to make these emo threads about how VC:MP should die on SS private boards, this is something i dont like either dont cry about a game saying that it should be dead, then what the fuck are you doing here?
This is basically why "jUan who i dont get along well with"
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Topic was locked on Leder’s request as he initiated the topic thus has permission to make such request.