Vice Underdogs
Discussion => VC:MP General => Topic started by: GangstaRas on May 09, 2018, 04:16:53 pm
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<Edit by Charley: I've split this topic from the topic that announced Legend's kick from the clan. I've reopened it in the hope that some sort of solution to this frankly unnecessary drama can be found. Banathon 2k18 bitches, wooooo!!! If you don't wanna read six pages, then skip to this post (http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=9640.msg121452#msg121452).>
Lilamar , you're caught too.
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Many more bans to come soon.
Ladies and gentlemen, an example of the beginning of the end. Many more bans to come soon enough.
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Good Luck Wherver you go.
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Interesting propaganda
On a serious note; I hope my ingenious hacks haven't betrayed me yet
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Didn't expect it coming :(
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shame
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Lilamar , you're caught too.
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well , if somebody provides a proof that i've been using any program to get advantage i will donate 200$ for vcmp, thats a bet.
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Lilamar , you're caught too.
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well , if somebody provides a proof that i've been using any program to get advantage i will donate 200$ for vcmp, thats a bet.
While I have no doubts about the judgement of the ones who ban players, I hope that when you call it "reasonable judgement" you will at the very least provide evidence if not to the public, then to the banned player(s) once requested by them, lest this "banwave" does not look like a twisted way of removing inconvenient players to the larger populace of VCMP which would then not only doubt your credibility, but would also begin to revere them as martyrs and victims of bias and false justice. And, perhaps, this would be with reason.
I, for one, would like to know why I am supposed to consider player X or player Y as cheaters when no such evidence was presented to me.
Ethan's ban on XE was supported with evidence, so was Hunting's ban on EC, so was Siezer's ban for speed gear on EC - whether you consider these bans valid or not (one of them I don't), the evidence was open and available to the public (and you) which could analyze it themselves - and if you ban people for something as serious as using an aimlock cheat, then I suppose your proof is irrefutable, therefore there shouldn't really be any concerns over releasing proof, should there?
Please keep in mind I am not arguing in favour of any cheating practice, only in favour of visibility, which is nothing wrong.
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Every single case has a proof. However, unless they're caught by the public eye, such as HunTinG, Casper, now Legend, among others that I've already banned, the list will remain anonymous; does more psychological damage that way. You silently hack, without warning you are silently banned.
The reason behind their ban? They hacked at some point today to the first day of 2018, without permission nor admin supervision. So if it applies to you, then congratulations, your days are numbered. This includes speed hacks, wall hacks, aimlock, health hacks and known/discovered distributors. That's all the public needs to know and will know from my end at least. The others have their own list, and their own methods and their banning plans for their own servers.
Now to give an idea of the magnitude, how many have I caught? Roughly 100 people, 1/4 of the community thus far and I haven't even finished my list yet, isn't that sad? Some are already banned in other servers, and are publicly known, I just haven't dealt with them yet. Some are whom I've silently watched and done nothing against for months, Legend is such an example.
It's a damn shame just how toxic this has gotten, but hey, be my guest. Free for all hacking? Free for all banning, simple as that.
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Who cares about private boards..
If there's someone who's angry at him right now is because of his retarded actions. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
Legend you ruined it yourself, you have to face the consequences.
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While I have no doubts about the judgement of the ones who ban players, I hope that when you call it "reasonable judgement" you will at the very least provide evidence if not to the public, then to the banned player(s) once requested by them, lest this "banwave" does not look like a twisted way of removing inconvenient players to the larger populace of VCMP which would then not only doubt your credibility, but would also begin to revere them as martyrs and victims of bias and false justice. And, perhaps, this would be with reason.
I, for one, would like to know why I am supposed to consider player X or player Y as cheaters when no such evidence was presented to me.
Indeed, one time i saw a player getting banned just because a guy (well known guy trough this community) told the administrator to imput the ban because "he watched it and was sure", though, he didn't record nor took any proof about the rulebreak. What did they say to him when appealed for a ban? Denied. No more than that. - In this case, i completely agree with you, these example of players are banned for an inefficient administrative work and lack of evidence, which makes the thing become worse.
Plus, i think here the judgement of administrator like GangstaRas and everyone who participated in the investigation are impeccable, because they have been watching him for a long time - plus, he got banned in LW which made him suspicious. Now i guess why Legend wasn't kicked instantly after that ban, probably because the people who took the decision on this clan didn't want to rush and that is what should be done in a case like this.
Now to give an idea of the magnitude, how many have I caught? Roughly 100 people, 1/4 of the community thus far and I haven't even finished my list yet, isn't that sad? Some are already banned in other servers, and are publicly known, I just haven't dealt with them yet. Some are whom I've silently watched and done nothing against for months, Legend is such an example.
It's a damn shame just how toxic this has gotten, but hey, be my guest. Free for all hacking? Free for all banning, simple as that.
No doubt regarding this - another particular thing is that everyone, and i mean everyone is suspicious. That's still more toxic, Legend was a Rookie member of this clan, Ethan was administrator in XE. It isn't just a "newbies" thing who hack and are (in some cases) unbanned to give them a new chance. They are players who have years into this community and have been involved and are known trough it.
Off of the topic, i personally agree with EAD administration by banning everyone who uses that in a permanently way, all those who have used cheats know that aren't allowed and still keep using it. - We have suffered strong punishments in an epoch some years ago, i mean 6 months to 3 years or even permanent bans, and should continue like that.
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Every single case has a proof. However, unless they're caught by the public eye, such as HunTinG, Casper, now Legend, among others that I've already banned, the list will remain anonymous; does more psychological damage that way. You silently hack, without warning you are silently banned.
The reason behind their ban? They hacked at some point today to the first day of 2018, without permission nor admin supervision. So if it applies to you, then congratulations, your days are numbered. This includes speed hacks, wall hacks, aimlock, health hacks and known/discovered distributors. That's all the public needs to know and will know from my end at least. The others have their own list, and their own methods and their banning plans for their own servers.
Now to give an idea of the magnitude, how many have I caught? Roughly 100 people, 1/4 of the community thus far and I haven't even finished my list yet, isn't that sad? Some are already banned in other servers, and are publicly known, I just haven't dealt with them yet. Some are whom I've silently watched and done nothing against for months, Legend is such an example.
It's a damn shame just how toxic this has gotten, but hey, be my guest. Free for all hacking? Free for all banning, simple as that.
If your idea of justice is banning 100+ people without providing a shred of proof to the public then making yourself [or your group] look like sinless victims of cheating and saviours of VCMP from it [cheating], then sure, you're right.
However, my hope is that the rest of the VCMP community aren't a bunch of lemmings and won't rush to calling people cheaters, wall-, speed- hackers without it being even proven, just like you don't sentence someone for murder without showing the proof you have for it.
If your definition of justice is going on the most public forum, spouting "Judgement Day is coming you cheating scumbags", then proceeding to ban a hundred people and state publicly that:
the list will remain anonymous; does more psychological damage that way.
then your definition of "justice" is largely flawed. Does anyone here prefer an illusion of "psychological damage" over credibility and transparency?
If this community is ready to accept THIS many bans with no evidence making up for it then this community is already lost.
You might as well start banning everyone and saying they have cheated at some point in their past (would the community still accept this?), because right now that's what it looks like and unless any proof is provided then that's how it will be to me and hopefully everyone else.
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If you are a hacker you know it yourself that you have, why the fuck should I tell you that sir you have used hacks in our server at Friday the 13th last month, we just got evidence and here it is, please look forward to it and tell me if the evidence is enough to ban you.
Thanks in advance we will be waiting for your reply so that we can proceed with the ban.
Sincerely
Administration.
Banning 100 players because they hacked is nothing wrong from my point of view.
Edit : We have evidence for all of the bans.
But if we share the way thought which we caught them then it will be nullified, just like the key press.
And why do you look curious about it krys ? And if we tell the hackers how we caught them, than its only matter of time that everyone will know the method we used.
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Aimlock is love >:D
My my next is mi..
#TrendingAIMlock
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Really didn't expected this from Him.
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If you have evidence, there is absolutely no problem for banning the player
What krystianoo pointed out is that such evidence must be shown to every and each player banned or to the entire community as a way of transparency.
Banning players with no evidence isn't what should be done.
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If you are a hacker you know it yourself that you have, why the fuck should I tell you that sir you have used hacks in our server at Friday the 13th last month, we just got evidence and here it is, please look forward to it and tell me if the evidence is enough to ban you.
Thanks in advance we will be waiting for your reply so that we can proceed with the ban.
Sincerely
Administration.
Banning 100 players because they hacked is nothing wrong from my point of view.
Edit : We have evidence for all of the bans.
But if we share the way thought which we caught them then it will be nullified, just like the key press.
And why do you look curious about it krys ? And if we tell the hackers how we caught them, than its only matter of time that everyone will know the method we used.
What if your method is accusing also straight players lol, how would they defend their self when you just ban them and all you got to say "we prove it by our method" , you just saw ras accusing me up there for aimlock, i won't be surprised if you guys started accusing freak and fulton for f1, matrix and raiden for sg , oh wait, you guys also have smd who takes perfect headshots , what about accusing him? Ok lets accuse ferrari32 for sg aimlock and f1 that would make a sense.
The point is that you cant defend yourself when you even dont know why you got banned...
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:'( me also banned :'(
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=124148.0
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=124285.0
Bioz tell me, you get banned for armour hack or vehicle alter hp hacks and you didn’t use them and also you had no idea that the hacks were in your computer, you post an unban appeal , the admin says admit you used hacks.Will you fake admit you used hacks and destroy your reputation in the whole community? no right? Also the admins don’t have proof that you used hacks, all they have is anti cheat logs of the player getting banned.am i saying right? According to this
Banning players with no evidence isn't what should be done.
I never speak becoz i have saw and experienced that if a normal person who is not known by the people here speaks always gets replies of this type “fuck off,retard,kid†:-X
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yea, you should provide evidence too. I rare playing vcmp and i get banned for aimlock? justice? my ass lah, pui!
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Evidence only should be given to other server staff members and all server staff should work together to get rid of hackers.
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Evidence only should be given to other server staff members and all server staff should work together to get rid of hackers.
I disagree. We all are members of this multiplayer-game community and we all have right to see or know, even discuss, why a specific player has been banned. If dont want to provide the evidence to all, atleast banned guys should see it and know why.
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sure lah, do whatever u want lah, u big clan can do whatever u want, but remember there is another 20+ servers player can play
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Sure, let's share all evidence to public so hackers can find a way to fool server admins, you people come with such great ideas that's why aliens don't wanna visit our planet, EAD will not post evidence to public, and yes there are many servers you can play on such as your own, I'm sure CTF, LW, EC ain't dumb.
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If you are a hacker you know it yourself that you have, why the fuck should I tell you that sir you have used hacks in our server at Friday the 13th last month, we just got evidence and here it is, please look forward to it and tell me if the evidence is enough to ban you.
Thanks in advance we will be waiting for your reply so that we can proceed with the ban.
Sincerely
Administration.
Banning 100 players because they hacked is nothing wrong from my point of view.
Edit : We have evidence for all of the bans.
But if we share the way thought which we caught them then it will be nullified, just like the key press.
And why do you look curious about it krys ? And if we tell the hackers how we caught them, than its only matter of time that everyone will know the method we used.
This.
I thought this would be common sense for the rest but I guess it ain't so common. Now everyone ranting politics like they're fretting if they are on it smh.
Again, the list will remain anonymous and everyone subject to being banned has proof against them. This list wasn't done by word of mouth, nor was it done overnight, I processed every single one I caught individually and the tracking (for me) started from around December. This ain't some rushed thing krys.
Anyone I found questionable, I placed them on a watchlist (which also will remain anonymous) instead rather than ban. Those are the ones where their proof was inconclusive to me and open for discussion. I made no action against those persons. And as I said, anyone that was involved in testing under admin supervision of the respective servers were not considered. You'd have to be maliciously hacking.
So please take the insecurities somewhere else. It's either you trust me or you don't and clearly its the latter. What do you have to fear if you know you're innocent? That I'm going to make a biased decision cuz I don't like some people? Get away from me with that, nobody has time for that non-sense. You people like to promote drama and I'm not having it. We have Lily here wondering what the hell did he did obviously fretting his eyes out for all he knows could be nothing more than fluff, who knows? I know and he will know soon. I've chosen my words carefully, everyone innocent have nothing to fear. If you never touched a hack in your life, no false accusation will fall against you.
No ban was given out of mere logs like some key press. If you're banned, at least two evidence is against you, some of which are evidence I recorded myself and have never made publicly known, no one in VU, no one in any staff I work with, literally not on the internet. Public example of that is Odin3, known as KraKen. He's been hacking in front of me for weeks on CTF and I played stupid like I couldn't recognize a thing that was going on. I just recorded away...I have my own evidence of a before and after that I haven't posted anywhere against him. The rest of the community caught up to him on their own without my intervening and thus got himself banned.
Then, I have another example that I had on the watchlist. The community hasn't caught up with this person as yet as far as I can see but he also hacked right in front of me and I played fool against it. Later evidence against him gave me undeniable proof that he is indeed a hacker, and he is on the list awaiting his ban.
This is what I'm going to do and this is how everyone hacking maliciously is going to feel it. Whether it be my own clan members, whether it be my friends, my own staff members, I have no shred of partiality to anyone and I care not how it comes across to the public. Twist my words however you want to, analyze deeply however you want to, speculate however you want to, the public does not need to know anything and they won't know anything more from me, I have told enough.
The days of the guilty are numbered. End of story.
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Sure, let's share all evidence to public so hackers can find a way to fool server admins, you people come with such great ideas that's why aliens don't wanna visit our planet, EAD will not post evidence to public, and yes there are many servers you can play on such as your own, I'm sure CTF, LW, EC ain't dumb.
CTF LW EC is same community, you can ban player across these server, but another vcmp community wont give fuck, you only can keep these hacker from your own community
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It's a pretty simple situation. Right now, banning aimlock users is actually the least of our problems, you need to look at the big picture and figure out a way to root out aimlock by itself, as long as it can be used there will be users.
That being said, announcing a counter measure in public would lead to the creators changing 2 lines of code and just dodging our methods. There's no point in revealing a strategy to an opponent before attacking.
As for the ''private boards'', we really don't have much to hide to start with. In fact the most private thing he could have shared would be the members pictures, which we don't really give much of a fuck about. I highly doubt that Vlad the teletubbie can have a look at anyone's picture and laugh, since he's laughing material himself.
To summarize, our means are justified by our purpose.
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If you are a hacker you know it yourself that you have, why the fuck should I tell you that sir you have used hacks in our server at Friday the 13th last month, we just got evidence and here it is, please look forward to it and tell me if the evidence is enough to ban you.
Thanks in advance we will be waiting for your reply so that we can proceed with the ban.
Sincerely
Administration.
Banning 100 players because they hacked is nothing wrong from my point of view.
Edit : We have evidence for all of the bans.
But if we share the way thought which we caught them then it will be nullified, just like the key press.
And why do you look curious about it krys ? And if we tell the hackers how we caught them, than its only matter of time that everyone will know the method we used.
What if your method is accusing also straight players lol, how would they defend their self when you just ban them and all you got to say "we prove it by our method" , you just saw ras accusing me up there for aimlock, i won't be surprised if you guys started accusing freak and fulton for f1, matrix and raiden for sg , oh wait, you guys also have smd who takes perfect headshots , what about accusing him? Ok lets accuse ferrari32 for sg aimlock and f1 that would make a sense.
The point is that you cant defend yourself when you even dont know why you got banned...
Because it can't.
Simple and straight :)
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Sure, let's share all evidence to public so hackers can find a way to fool server admins, you people come with such great ideas that's why aliens don't wanna visit our planet, EAD will not post evidence to public, and yes there are many servers you can play on such as your own, I'm sure CTF, LW, EC ain't dumb.
CTF LW EC is same community, you can ban player across these server, but another vcmp community wont give fuck, you only can keep these hacker from your own community
Aaron and Sevrin are EAD admin as well EC admin, SuriAttacker is EAD admin as well LW Admin, Eddy and Juan both EAD admin as well CTF admin, so all I need to do is show them proof why WE banned these aimlockers including you, then others community will give fuck?
P.S forum administrator can we merge this topic? This was suppose to be a kick topic.
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Said To Hear Well Good Luck in Future
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To summarize, our means are justified by our purpose.
You need to visit the doctor.
They interpret the law, assess the evidence presented, and control how hearings and trials unfold in their courtrooms. Most important of all, judges are impartial decision-makers in the pursuit of justice. We have what is known as an adversarial system of justice - legal cases are contests between opposing sides, which ensures that evidence and legal arguments will be fully and forcefully presented. - The judge is the "trier of fact," deciding whether the evidence is credible and which witnesses are telling the truth. Then the judge applies the law to these facts to determine whether a civil claim has been established on a balance of probabilities or whether there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, in criminal cases, that the suspect is guilty.
These are examples of roles of the judge. If you're admin and don't know how to judge, then you are nothing to judge.
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Really unexpected idk what to say, gl btw.
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To summarize, our means are justified by our purpose.
You need to visit the doctor.
They interpret the law, assess the evidence presented, and control how hearings and trials unfold in their courtrooms. Most important of all, judges are impartial decision-makers in the pursuit of justice. We have what is known as an adversarial system of justice - legal cases are contests between opposing sides, which ensures that evidence and legal arguments will be fully and forcefully presented. - The judge is the "trier of fact," deciding whether the evidence is credible and which witnesses are telling the truth. Then the judge applies the law to these facts to determine whether a civil claim has been established on a balance of probabilities or whether there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, in criminal cases, that the suspect is guilty.
These are examples of roles of the judge. If you're admin and don't know how to judge, then you are nothing to judge.
I agree.
Do any of you messiahs remember that Server Reports are a public board to give the accused a chance to defend oneself?
And so the community can know why?
Otherwise, why would they exist? Might as well make reports PM-only.
Make no mistake, I do trust Ras's judgement. But I don't trust anyone, not even Tommis, Stormeus, maxorator or whoever else you can come up with to make a decision that bans more than a hundred players from the game (or - 25% of the community as you say) without providing any evidence.
If you make such a decision, don't call it justice.
What do you have to fear if you know you're innocent?
everyone innocent have nothing to fear.
These are the same sentences uttered by people who are okay with the government invading their privacy - because if you don't have anything to hide, why worry, why have a problem?
This is no different than saying I don't care about free speech because I have nothing to say.
I hope that the community won't turn a blind eye on this: a few years back banning someone with no evidence for something as serious as cheating would result in the admin being demoted, warned (or whatever) and the banned player being unbanned (http://xe-servers.com/index.php?topic=13192.msg91010#msg91010).
How can anyone in the community consider player X a cheater when the evidence of his transgressions was not even provided to anyone except for some super-duper anti-cheat inner circle? How?
For those who do not question these decisions, how?
How can you consider ANYONE from that 100 of players Gangstaras was speaking about a cheater if it wasn't even proven to you? How?
Will you start showing your displeasure or start requesting evidence when they ban more than a ¼ of the playercount? More than a ⅓? More than a half?
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Will you start showing your displeasure or start requesting evidence when they ban more than a ¼ of the playercount? More than a ⅓? More than a half?
I guess that would be the perfect timing :D
And why do you worry so much Mr.Nice ?
Every time there is some hacking activity, you always want to get your highlights and showing how nice you are ?
Chill out bro, a liar will never accept that he lied.
Even if we post the proof here, than what is the guarantee that they will accept their crimes ? What if they claim that it's a false proof ?
But I can assure you that they will find an alternative way to bypass our method in some time.
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Will you start showing your displeasure or start requesting evidence when they ban more than a ¼ of the playercount? More than a ⅓? More than a half?
Even if we post the proof here, than what is the guarantee that they will accept their crimes ? What if they claim that it's a false proof ?
But I can assure you that they will find an alternative way to bypass our method in some time.
Thank you very much.
Also, the reason why the number of hackers caught is so high is because believe it or not, this is the true nature of some among the VCMP community. Among the 300 to 400 or so that exist in the community, there are still 2 types of people:
Those who don't hack because its not in their nature to, and many more who don't hack because they fear getting caught.
When the cats are away, the mice will play.
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Will you start showing your displeasure or start requesting evidence when they ban more than a ¼ of the playercount? More than a ⅓? More than a half?
Even if we post the proof here, than what is the guarantee that they will accept their crimes ? What if they claim that it's a false proof ?
But I can assure you that they will find an alternative way to bypass our method in some time.
Thank you very much.
Also, the reason why the number of hackers caught is so high is because believe it or not, this is the true nature of some among the VCMP community. Among the 300 to 400 or so that exist in the community, there are still 2 types of people:
Those who don't hack because its not in their nature to, and many more who don't hack because they fear getting caught.
When the cats are away, the mice will play.
Even if we post the proof here, than what is the guarantee that they will accept their crimes ? What if they claim that it's a false proof ?
How can they claim it's a "false proof" if you yourself stated this:
No ban was given out of mere logs like some key press. If you're banned, at least two evidence is against you, some of which are evidence I recorded myself
Even better, how can releasing the proof compromise any of your methods if none of them [bans] were given out for mere logs?
Just how? Do you not want players to know how to catch hackers more easily?
Outside of that, who cares if they say that it still is false proof?
If you say it proves everything beyond reasonable doubt then everyone (the community) will see that the ban(s) is valid and isn't just some made up fantasy.
If 400 people tell you the evidence looks sketchy though then it's safe to say your evidence doesn't prove a cheating offense beyond reasonable doubt. Like it should, per all rules and standards.
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How can they claim it's a "false proof" if you yourself stated this:
No ban was given out of mere logs like some key press. If you're banned, at least two evidence is against you, some of which are evidence I recorded myself
Because that's what people do. We see it all the time. A man murders his wife and kids and everything recorded on video tape, only to go into the courtroom to claim innocence on the count that he is mentally unstable. I'm seeing it with Legend as we speak with the mix-up with him and HunTinG in his account and all manner of garbage filled lies to me.
Even better, how can releasing the proof compromise any of your methods if none of them [bans] were given out for mere logs?
Just how? Do you not want players to know how to catch hackers more easily?
No because you yourself iterated not trust anyone, so why bring this point up? Situational ethics?
Outside of that, who cares if they say that it still is false proof?
If you say it proves everything beyond reasonable doubt then everyone (the community) will see that the ban(s) is valid and isn't just some made up fantasy.
Situational ethics again? Because if you're saying this, you pretty much agree then that I need not state a thing because I know and those involved know it is true. The evidence is there on them, but if publishing the evidences damages the effectiveness, why then publish? Just to prove that we're speaking the truth? All the while putting us back into square one hunting down hackers? I rather not have to subject myself to make a list like this every year going forward, that is madness. Prevention is better than cure, and I'm not gonna be the one trying to find a cure, I'm acting on the prevention side.
If 400 people tell you the evidence looks sketchy though then it's safe to say your evidence doesn't prove a cheating offense beyond reasonable doubt. Like it should, per all rules and standards.
Believing this in life will get you killed because that's believing in quantity over quality. If 400 liars speak the same thing against 1 person speaking the truth, does that change the fact that what they said or what they believe is a lie? Nope. All it is is that you have 400 people lying about a person. If I take it on a personal level, the community believes SS is full of hackers, but you among yourselves within SS know the truth. Who's speaking truth? The community or SS? By your logic, the community.
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Representing ead staff here, just a small thing everyone has already said that if we share the evidence of players using aimlock, then it will be just a few days for those hackers(or developers of hackers) to get rid of the method we've used to get evidence on them. The method was tested several times, it was completely successful & pure method to know whose using any kind of hacks or not. Talking about justice, even if ead staff finds any member of my clan or any of my closest friends, I would be the first one to command the ban without accusing because I know that what & how is the evidence.
It will not harm the community by any means man. as Shawn said, if you hack then you know that you hack & you get banned for it, then don't come to ask evidence because you cannot prove yourself innocent by any means because the evidence is crystal clear that's all I can say.
If you guys don't understand this, then you're UPTO a new scene to create which will definitely end up in a way that hackers/developers(?) will get benefited from that. I'm sure you don't want that to happen? Do you?
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How can they claim it's a "false proof" if you yourself stated this:
No ban was given out of mere logs like some key press. If you're banned, at least two evidence is against you, some of which are evidence I recorded myself
Because that's what people do. We see it all the time. A man murders his wife and kids and everything recorded on video tape, only to go into the courtroom to claim innocence on the count that he is mentally unstable. I'm seeing it with Legend as we speak with the mix-up with him and HunTinG in his account and all manner of garbage filled lies to me.
Even better, how can releasing the proof compromise any of your methods if none of them [bans] were given out for mere logs?
Just how? Do you not want players to know how to catch hackers more easily?
No because you yourself iterated not trust anyone, so why bring this point up? Situational ethics?
Outside of that, who cares if they say that it still is false proof?
If you say it proves everything beyond reasonable doubt then everyone (the community) will see that the ban(s) is valid and isn't just some made up fantasy.
Situational ethics again? Because if you're saying this, you pretty much agree then that I need not state a thing because I know and those involved know it is true. The evidence is there on them, but if publishing the evidences damages the effectiveness, why then publish? Just to prove that we're speaking the truth? All the while putting us back into square one hunting down hackers? I rather not have to subject myself to make a list like this every year going forward, that is madness. Prevention is better than cure, and I'm not gonna be the one trying to find a cure, I'm acting on the prevention side.
If 400 people tell you the evidence looks sketchy though then it's safe to say your evidence doesn't prove a cheating offense beyond reasonable doubt. Like it should, per all rules and standards.
Believing this in life will get you killed because that's believing in quantity over quality. If 400 liars speak the same thing against 1 person speaking the truth, does that change the fact that what they said or what they believe is a lie? Nope. All it is is that you have 400 people lying about a person. If I take it on a personal level, the community believes SS is full of hackers, but you among yourselves within SS know the truth. Who's speaking truth? The community or SS? By your logic, the community.
We see it all the time. A man murders his wife and kids and everything recorded on video tape, only to go into the courtroom to claim innocence on the count that he is mentally unstable.
That's not innocence.
No because you yourself iterated not trust anyone, so why bring this point up? Situational ethics?
So you are basically admitting that we are right to not trust you with banning 100 + players without providing any proof? That's fair.
The evidence is there on them, but if publishing the evidences damages the effectiveness, why then publish?
How would it? If it's not based on mere logs but videos, I really don't see a way.
Believing this in life will get you killed because that's believing in quantity over quality. If 400 liars speak the same thing against 1 person speaking the truth, does that change the fact that what they said or what they believe is a lie? Nope. All it is is that you have 400 people lying about a person. If I take it on a personal level, the community believes SS is full of hackers, but you among yourselves within SS know the truth. Who's speaking truth? The community or SS? By your logic, the community.
Never mind. I don't believe in quantity over quality. There's a difference between believing someone to be a cheater and looking at proof and judging it wrong. If the 400 I mentioned could debunk your arguments then.. why not.
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How would it? If it's not based on mere logs but videos, I really don't see a way.
Damn it krys, out of all people you have to be the dumb one.
The key press for F1 was nullified after it was known by everyone else right ?
We even know how it can be nullified. It's as easy as the way we use to caught them.
There is nothing more you will get to know now. It's simple, in time you will know how we did it and all you can do is wait until we find more hackers. Maybe a few SS members as well ? >:D
That would be interesting,Right ?
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If you are a hacker you know it yourself that you have, why the fuck should I tell you that sir you have used hacks in our server at Friday the 13th last month, we just got evidence and here it is, please look forward to it and tell me if the evidence is enough to ban you.
Thanks in advance we will be waiting for your reply so that we can proceed with the ban.
Sincerely
Administration.
Banning 100 players because they hacked is nothing wrong from my point of view.
Edit : We have evidence for all of the bans.
But if we share the way thought which we caught them then it will be nullified, just like the key press.
And why do you look curious about it krys ? And if we tell the hackers how we caught them, than its only matter of time that everyone will know the method we used.
Will you start showing your displeasure or start requesting evidence when they ban more than a ¼ of the playercount? More than a ⅓? More than a half?
I guess that would be the perfect timing :D
And why do you worry so much Mr.Nice ?
Every time there is some hacking activity, you always want to get your highlights and showing how nice you are ?
Chill out bro, a liar will never accept that he lied.
Even if we post the proof here, than what is the guarantee that they will accept their crimes ? What if they claim that it's a false proof ?
But I can assure you that they will find an alternative way to bypass our method in some time.
How would it? If it's not based on mere logs but videos, I really don't see a way.
Damn it krys, out of all people you have to be the dumb one.
The key press for F1 was nullified after it was known by everyone else right ?
We even know how it can be nullified. It's as easy as the way we use to caught them.
There is nothing more you will get to know now. It's simple, in time you will know how we did it and all you can do is wait until we find more hackers. Maybe a few SS members as well ? >:D
That would be interesting,Right ?
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Can we all perhaps take a chill pill and find a compromise that will make everyone, except cheaters perhaps, happy? How bow dah?
In my opinion some evidences should be provided to the public the kind of that WILL NOT compromise whatever it is currently being used to catch the cheaters. After all there's a chance that despite the method not being made public, hack creators will find a way to bypass it regardless. Instead of debating, let's put effort into that.
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Topic Changed From announcement to Discussion :angel:
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I think that VCMP devs must wake up from their grave thought and make another version of VCMP that would block the hacks scripts. Anti-hack script maybe? I think VCMP project should be restarted all over again with the hope of sync improvement.this should happen as well.
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Looks like the DDoS attack is over, back to what I was saying.
We see it all the time. A man murders his wife and kids and everything recorded on video tape, only to go into the courtroom to claim innocence on the count that he is mentally unstable.
That's not innocence.
I am glad we both acknowledged that my example showed no innocence, that's still a guilty man which meant the trial was nothing but a waste of everyone's time, because the undeniable truth is there. Similarly, why waste time showing the proof to the guilty just to have a needless debate? It isn't a revolt to the ban appeal system mind you, but as explained exhaustingly now, we will keep things anonymous for the method's sake. Nobody is dying not knowing, and nobody can prove themself innocent even if they tried, therefore no right to knowledge will be given.
So you are basically admitting that we are right to not trust you with banning 100 + players without providing any proof? That's fair.
That is fair but the thing is, I was never trying to earn the trust of anyone except in one spot, and that is that I'm handling the case. I care not to display that I'm trustworthy with handling the case, I leave that to my reputation. If my reputation isn't enough, then tough luck, can't satisfy everyone.
All I'm doing is cleaning up this mess and ensuring a hacker-free community for us one permaban at a time. If you believe in my judgement then you shouldn't question my methods that led to such judgement. I am not avoiding a debunking argument or have anything against appeals once more, but as it's explained, nobody can prove their innocence with this, so discussion is unnecessary for 1 and more importantly 2, discussion will disclose the method meaning we'll have to find another cure for hacks.
You seem to want to promote damage to the method in the name of transparency, not me. I rather ban everyone hacking with an iron fist and drive fear into the people, because this is how toxic the community have gotten. Until the devs do something, this is how it's going to be. Everyone's hacking cuz they feel no one can do anything about it, their true selves rise above the surface. With the help of some trusted individuals these couple of months, I'm shitting all over that parade.
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Looks like the DDoS attack is over, back to what I was saying.
We see it all the time. A man murders his wife and kids and everything recorded on video tape, only to go into the courtroom to claim innocence on the count that he is mentally unstable.
That's not innocence.
I am glad we both acknowledged that my example showed no innocence, that's still a guilty man which meant the trial was nothing but a waste of everyone's time, because the undeniable truth is there. Similarly, why waste time showing the proof to the guilty just to have a needless debate? It isn't a revolt to the ban appeal system mind you, but as explained exhaustingly now, we will keep things anonymous for the method's sake. Nobody is dying not knowing, and nobody can prove themself innocent even if they tried, therefore no right to knowledge will be given.
So you are basically admitting that we are right to not trust you with banning 100 + players without providing any proof? That's fair.
That is fair but the thing is, I was never trying to earn the trust of anyone except in one spot, and that is that I'm handling the case. I care not to display that I'm trustworthy with handling the case, I leave that to my reputation. If my reputation isn't enough, then tough luck, can't satisfy everyone.
All I'm doing is cleaning up this mess and ensuring a hacker-free community for us one permaban at a time. If you believe in my judgement then you shouldn't question my methods that led to such judgement. I am not avoiding a debunking argument or have anything against appeals once more, but as it's explained, nobody can prove their innocence with this, so discussion is unnecessary for 1 and more importantly 2, discussion will disclose the method meaning we'll have to find another cure for hacks.
You seem to want to promote damage to the method in the name of transparency, not me. I rather ban everyone hacking with an iron fist and drive fear into the people, because this is how toxic the community have gotten. Until the devs do something, this is how it's going to be. Everyone's hacking cuz they feel no one can do anything about it, their true selves rise above the surface. With the help of some trusted individuals these couple of months, I'm shitting all over that parade.
Nobody is dying not knowing, and nobody can prove themself innocent even if they tried, therefore no right to knowledge will be given.
Your reply is centered around this. The obvious questions arise:
How can you be so sure of this?
How can you be certain that no innocents have been caught?
How can we be certain that such evidence exists, is not fabricated, is not made up and you're not banning inconvenient players in part?
E: I don't believe you are making this up, however believing everything Uncle Ras or Grandpa Chutton says is dumb and irresponsible. Sure, you have a high reputation in the community. But that shouldn't give anyone a pass to run around and ban people with evidence that may or may not exist.
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Looks like the DDoS attack is over, back to what I was saying.
We see it all the time. A man murders his wife and kids and everything recorded on video tape, only to go into the courtroom to claim innocence on the count that he is mentally unstable.
That's not innocence.
I am glad we both acknowledged that my example showed no innocence, that's still a guilty man which meant the trial was nothing but a waste of everyone's time, because the undeniable truth is there. Similarly, why waste time showing the proof to the guilty just to have a needless debate? It isn't a revolt to the ban appeal system mind you, but as explained exhaustingly now, we will keep things anonymous for the method's sake. Nobody is dying not knowing, and nobody can prove themself innocent even if they tried, therefore no right to knowledge will be given.
So you are basically admitting that we are right to not trust you with banning 100 + players without providing any proof? That's fair.
That is fair but the thing is, I was never trying to earn the trust of anyone except in one spot, and that is that I'm handling the case. I care not to display that I'm trustworthy with handling the case, I leave that to my reputation. If my reputation isn't enough, then tough luck, can't satisfy everyone.
All I'm doing is cleaning up this mess and ensuring a hacker-free community for us one permaban at a time. If you believe in my judgement then you shouldn't question my methods that led to such judgement. I am not avoiding a debunking argument or have anything against appeals once more, but as it's explained, nobody can prove their innocence with this, so discussion is unnecessary for 1 and more importantly 2, discussion will disclose the method meaning we'll have to find another cure for hacks.
You seem to want to promote damage to the method in the name of transparency, not me. I rather ban everyone hacking with an iron fist and drive fear into the people, because this is how toxic the community have gotten. Until the devs do something, this is how it's going to be. Everyone's hacking cuz they feel no one can do anything about it, their true selves rise above the surface. With the help of some trusted individuals these couple of months, I'm shitting all over that parade.
Nobody is dying not knowing, and nobody can prove themself innocent even if they tried, therefore no right to knowledge will be given.
Your reply is centered around this. The obvious questions arise:
How can you be so sure of this?
How can you be certain that no innocents have been caught?
How can we be certain that such evidence exists, is not fabricated, is not made up and you're not banning inconvenient players in part?
E: I don't believe you are making this up, however believing everything Uncle Ras or Grandpa Chutton says is dumb and irresponsible. Sure, you have a high reputation in the community. But that shouldn't give anyone a pass to run around and ban people with evidence that may or may not exist.
The merit of all my work put in thus far and the fruit of my labour will be expressed in its fullest July 7th. The bans will be before this date but July 7 will be full effect of the appreciation.
No mistaken innocents I can assure you that; the error will likely be the other way, people on my watchlist that I gave a chance cuz evidence wasn't as conclusive as I'd like, so I err on the side of caution. They can also be people that I missed, that just flew under my radar or showed no hacking propensities until later in the future. They are the only people that can technically still slip through but I've prepped for that too. The hacking epidemic is coming to an end.
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Holy shit he really was using aimbot and other people defended him like a fort.
@Shawn, it is true that there is 1 (at least) aim cheater in SS, but that don't mean all of them are. ;D
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The conclusion that I get from Krystianoo is that whoever takes the responsibility over this action(devs included), It still might not be the best idea to just leave it to the people that has to take decisions for this with no given evidence or examination methods. I can agree to this part. Its always open to dabate for trusting anyone's administration experience. Because everyone have a different glimpse of what they see before them even though they agree in the end for a specific reason.
But then you should realize that it's a community driven game mod. None of these developers work at Rockstar Games. They're just trusted people to run things.Push updates etc. Same for admins. They have to be trusted to take these decisions and move on. As I said, administration experience for everyone is always open to discussion. But someone has to do it if this will take the community anywhere better. Later on, you see the results and make another discussion if it's necessary.Interrupting an attempt to solution with "if"s and "what about"s is just waste of the time. What Gangsta does with these evidences is reasonable.
Good luck with your work Gangsta.
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I think that VCMP devs must wake up from their grave thought and make another version of VCMP that would block the hacks scripts. Anti-hack script maybe? I think VCMP project should be restarted all over again with the hope of sync improvement.this should happen as well.
Useless. VCMP developers have studies to take care of and making another version of vcmp will take too much time. And you just need to change a few lines to get the hack work again with vcmp.
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these past 7 pages have been a
waste of time
pretty fucking strange coming from the hypebeast himself so yeah that's saying something for sure
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@Shawn, it is true that there is 1 (at least) aim cheater in SS, but that don't mean all of them are. ;D
Yes, more than one tho'
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these past 7 pages have been a
waste of time
pretty fucking strange coming from the hypebeast himself so yeah that's saying something for sure
Unlike you,Im not being irreverent to the discussion of 7 pages finding someone's statements and twisting them into something for my fun.I had to say 197 words.You pick 3.That phrase "waste of time" hints to any further discussion about hacks because I think it's unnecessary at this point and also time will tell. Of course Im coming from the hypebeast for merely stating an opinion here. And you are not picky to take things out of context ;)
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I was referring to myself as the hypebeast... you're the one taking things out of context here
the only reason I quoted you was for aesthetic purposes
Other than that, my post has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with you
have a good day
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Alright so who's getting kicked tomorrow?
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Banned- Don't post someone's real life pictures another time- Siezer
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This topic will be locked. The major information and enlightenment has been shared with the community. With the provision that, if someone take a fancy to debate further about "EVIDENCES" subject, a new topic can be commenced in OFF-topics.
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Can we all perhaps take a chill pill and find a compromise that will make everyone, except cheaters perhaps, happy? How bow dah?
Yes! Let's do that, and look at it concisely. Here's the conflict. I'm gonna call Gangsta and the peeps on his side A. And Krys and the people on his side B.
A: We're going to ban a bunch of cheaters, based on plentiful evidence, but we can't reveal that evidence otherwise cheaters could find a workaround to our detection method.
B: You can't ban a shitload of players without providing the public some evidence. That is a fucked up form of justice.
A: Trust me, or don't trust me, we're doing it.
B: It's not about trusting you personally, it's about trusting anyone's sole proclamation of evidence, without their revealing it. One person's authority is not sufficient to take this kind of huge action. It sets a very dangerous precedent, because while it may be you with the banhammer today, it will be someone else tomorrow, and you can't guarantee that they will be as trustworthy as you.
So, the evidence can't be revealed, but Gangsta as a single person cannot be the judge, jury and executioner. Here's where the compromise lies. Do not reveal the evidence. But, those who have seen the evidence, have seen the detection method and can vouch for its authenticity, need to say so. If we have something like five or more people who have different affiliations in the community (not all VUs), who can vouch for the evidence, then perhaps a sense of justice closer to what B has in mind can be established, while not sacrificing the methods developed by A.
So, to those who have seen the evidence, and can vouch for the detection method, please post either this or something like it in this thread:
I have seen the banathon 2k18 evidence, and the detection method, and can vouch for its accuracy. The bans that will be meted out because of the evidence, to the best of my knowledge, are just and can be trusted.
<name>
Sound good?
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@Charley, my apologies for not doing this in the correct way due to not able to find enough time to write this post with the details which are required on your request, so I'll keep it simple for now.
As an admin of Littlewhiteys I'm facing daily with reports of aimlockers, something that is very common in the VC-MP community nowadays. Trust me, it isn't an easy thing to detect by spectating or by recording it and reviewing it and draw to a conclusion straight away, it requires alot of time to analyse and come to a conclusion whether to take action or not, also it can be easily mistaken. Now, players that have been banned on Littlewhiteys based on solid evidence for the usage of aimlock were detected on other servers by this "detection method" for the usage of aimlock, so what I am trying to say here is that the detection method is accurate enough to detect certain cheats, but I'm afraid not all cheats, in other words I wouldn't guarantee you that the detection method might give out valid results on other cheats/hacks the way it works.
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I have seen the banathon 2k18 evidence, and the detection method, and can vouch for its accuracy. The bans that will be meted out because of the evidence, to the best of my knowledge, are just and can be trusted.
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No need to complicate things dude. This is a simple, focused issue, and requires the answer to only two questions:
1) Have you seen the evidence and detection method that is associated with the bans that will be made by Gangsta and his associates?
2) Can you vouch for their accuracy in determining the type of cheating that they claim to determine?
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I don't see what's so complicated about it, I thought I've already given details in a simple way that should answer both questions.
Well in that case, I don't think my post is useful enough to be considered, you may ignore it then, sorry for wasting your time. :)
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I'm delighted to see someone finally replied to my post ;)
I wanna see what will be the others' propositions now
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Can we all perhaps take a chill pill and find a compromise that will make everyone, except cheaters perhaps, happy? How bow dah?
Yes! Let's do that, and look at it concisely. Here's the conflict. I'm gonna call Gangsta and the peeps on his side A. And Krys and the people on his side B.
A: We're going to ban a bunch of cheaters, based on plentiful evidence, but we can't reveal that evidence otherwise cheaters could find a workaround to our detection method.
B: You can't ban a shitload of players without providing the public some evidence. That is a fucked up form of justice.
A: Trust me, or don't trust me, we're doing it.
B: It's not about trusting you personally, it's about trusting anyone's sole proclamation of evidence, without their revealing it. One person's authority is not sufficient to take this kind of huge action. It sets a very dangerous precedent, because while it may be you with the banhammer today, it will be someone else tomorrow, and you can't guarantee that they will be as trustworthy as you.
So, the evidence can't be revealed, but Gangsta as a single person cannot be the judge, jury and executioner. Here's where the compromise lies. Do not reveal the evidence. But, those who have seen the evidence, have seen the detection method and can vouch for its authenticity, need to say so. If we have something like five or more people who have different affiliations in the community (not all VUs), who can vouch for the evidence, then perhaps a sense of justice closer to what B has in mind can be established, while not sacrificing the methods developed by A.
So, to those who have seen the evidence, and can vouch for the detection method, please post either this or something like it in this thread:
I have seen the banathon 2k18 evidence, and the detection method, and can vouch for its accuracy. The bans that will be meted out because of the evidence, to the best of my knowledge, are just and can be trusted.
<name>
Sound good?
While this partially satisfies me (because this boils down to trust too), I realise that no better deal might be achieved since it's been made clear that no evidence can be released (ehh..) - so, why not?
It'd be great if those who quote this message are from a diverse set of clans / "subcommunities" - not just VU members; members / admins of all clans AND some clanless (if such people exist) players as well.
I also think that if at least one ban is proven as false (even though it's practically impossible to prove this sort of ban as false) then the evidence for all of them should be released.
If you are a hacker you know it yourself that you have, why the fuck should I tell you that sir you have used hacks in our server at Friday the 13th last month, we just got evidence and here it is, please look forward to it and tell me if the evidence is enough to ban you.
Thanks in advance we will be waiting for your reply so that we can proceed with the ban.
Sincerely
Administration.
Banning 100 players because they hacked is nothing wrong from my point of view.
Edit : We have evidence for all of the bans.
But if we share the way thought which we caught them then it will be nullified, just like the key press.
And why do you look curious about it krys ? And if we tell the hackers how we caught them, than its only matter of time that everyone will know the method we used.
Will you start showing your displeasure or start requesting evidence when they ban more than a ¼ of the playercount? More than a ⅓? More than a half?
I guess that would be the perfect timing :D
And why do you worry so much Mr.Nice ?
Every time there is some hacking activity, you always want to get your highlights and showing how nice you are ?
Chill out bro, a liar will never accept that he lied.
Even if we post the proof here, than what is the guarantee that they will accept their crimes ? What if they claim that it's a false proof ?
But I can assure you that they will find an alternative way to bypass our method in some time.
How would it? If it's not based on mere logs but videos, I really don't see a way.
Damn it krys, out of all people you have to be the dumb one.
The key press for F1 was nullified after it was known by everyone else right ?
We even know how it can be nullified. It's as easy as the way we use to caught them.
There is nothing more you will get to know now. It's simple, in time you will know how we did it and all you can do is wait until we find more hackers. Maybe a few SS members as well ? >:D
That would be interesting,Right ?
@Shawn, it is true that there is 1 (at least) aim cheater in SS, but that don't mean all of them are. ;D
Yes, more than one tho'
first of all - I spoke as a vcmp community member - why are you bringing SS into this? I have never mentioned VU in my replies.
second of all - fuck off with your personal provocations and insults against me / my clan (like the ones above)
third of all - yes, we have had hackers in the clan but so did you as evidenced by Legend, Casper etc so I don't see what the hell are you on about here?
fourth of all we don't condone cheating, have never done so and will never do so.
going by the words of a guy who says shit like 'i can beat aimlockers in-game because i'm so good' and who left the clan because of getting teamkilled while having promised to stay in the clan until the end (https://i.imgur.com/mzlM4pF.png)isn't smart
if according to you we have cheaters in the clan then they will get banned and kicked from SS when they're uncovered
of course, instead of playing some prophet you could also provide SS members such as Eddy member names who are cheaters and they'd get kicked instead of acting all high and mighty here
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First of all -Pissed
Second of all -Hahahahahhahaahahhahahaahahahah
Third of all-Sweet sweet revenge >:D
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First of all -Pissed
Second of all -Hahahahahhahaahahhahahaahahahah
Third of all-Sweet sweet revenge >:D
When you get destroyed in a post and literally have no idea how to respond to it...
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First of all -Pissed
Second of all -Hahahahahhahaahahhahahaahahahah
Third of all-Sweet sweet revenge >:D
When you get destroyed in a post and literally have no idea how to respond to it...
lol ur mom aimlocker
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First of all -Pissed
Second of all -Hahahahahhahaahahhahahaahahahah
Third of all-Sweet sweet revenge >:D
When you get destroyed in a post and literally have no idea how to respond to it...
ok chillax kid, I'll reply if you really want me to.
I didn't want to ruin your fun that's all.
first of all - I spoke as a vcmp community member - why are you bringing SS into this? I have never mentioned VU in my replies.
yes whenever there is some shit going against hackers and SS are not involved, BAN ALL MOTHER FUCKERSSSS.
If not, then man they didnt hack you cant prove, pls forgive, next chance, +1 life, innocent little being, show mercy :'(
second of all - fuck off with your personal provocations and insults against me / my clan (like the ones above)
dudeee, are you the only one who is allowed to speak against other clans ?
We have one difference in this, I speak in public and not behind someone's back, balls of steel.
third of all - yes, we have had hackers in the clan but so did you as evidenced by Legend, Casper etc so I don't see what the hell are you on about here?
we don't defend any of the hackers in our clan. You used hacks, be ready to face consequences. At least we keep a check on our members unlike you ?
If you are saying that the hackers can claim that they didn't hack, then I can claim that you want to know the method through which we get the hackers because you want to counter it ?
You are not a clean person yourself and it has been proved earlier(the CTF ban, just to remind you)
if according to you we have cheaters in the clan then they will get banned and kicked from SS when they're uncovered
of course, instead of playing some prophet you could also provide SS members such as Eddy member names who are cheaters and they'd get kicked instead of acting all high and mighty here
Ofcourse son, I'll act all high and mighty because it was my clan who found the way to get the hackers, not yours.
You speak for the community you say, but WE work for the community.
DIFFERENCE dude
and you need to keep stay calm because if you say that we can give false name of hackers then maybe I'll declare you a hacker next ?
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It'd be great if those who quote this message are from a diverse set of clans / "subcommunities" - not just VU members; members / admins of all clans AND some clanless (if such people exist) players as well.
I would not want you to tie it down to whether clan and clanless people know what's going on. I really only went to people who could assist me, doesn't matter who in that sense. So if for example you alone could help me in all areas, then you alone would know. That's the mode of operation.
But to answer the diversity: NAR, EAF, MK, TRC, UF and clanless. SS, DU, OSK and other clans are in the dark, not out of anything against them, just that no one atm is in a position where they could help me with the list itself. For example, Eddy could have if he was available but since he's not I had to find someone else.
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It'd be great if those who quote this message are from a diverse set of clans / "subcommunities" - not just VU members; members / admins of all clans AND some clanless (if such people exist) players as well.
I would not want you to tie it down to whether clan and clanless people know what's going on. I really only went to people who could assist me, doesn't matter who in that sense. So if for example you alone could help me in all areas, then you alone would know. That's the mode of operation.
But to answer the diversity: NAR, EAF, MK, TRC, UF and clanless. SS, DU, OSK and other clans are in the dark, not out of anything against them, just that no one atm is in a position where they could help me with the list itself. For example, Eddy could have if he was available but since he's not I had to find someone else.
The motivation behind what I'm saying is if the list of people who quote this message are not only VUs but people of other clans as well as people with no affiliations whatsoever.
First of all -Pissed
Second of all -Hahahahahhahaahahhahahaahahahah
Third of all-Sweet sweet revenge >:D
When you get destroyed in a post and literally have no idea how to respond to it...
ok chillax kid, I'll reply if you really want me to.
I didn't want to ruin your fun that's all.
first of all - I spoke as a vcmp community member - why are you bringing SS into this? I have never mentioned VU in my replies.
yes whenever there is some shit going against hackers and SS are not involved, BAN ALL MOTHER FUCKERSSSS.
If not, then man they didnt hack you cant prove, pls forgive, next chance, +1 life, innocent little being, show mercy :'(
second of all - fuck off with your personal provocations and insults against me / my clan (like the ones above)
dudeee, are you the only one who is allowed to speak against other clans ?
We have one difference in this, I speak in public and not behind someone's back, balls of steel.
third of all - yes, we have had hackers in the clan but so did you as evidenced by Legend, Casper etc so I don't see what the hell are you on about here?
we don't defend any of the hackers in our clan. You used hacks, be ready to face consequences. At least we keep a check on our members unlike you ?
If you are saying that the hackers can claim that they didn't hack, then I can claim that you want to know the method through which we get the hackers because you want to counter it ?
You are not a clean person yourself and it has been proved earlier(the CTF ban, just to remind you)
if according to you we have cheaters in the clan then they will get banned and kicked from SS when they're uncovered
of course, instead of playing some prophet you could also provide SS members such as Eddy member names who are cheaters and they'd get kicked instead of acting all high and mighty here
Ofcourse son, I'll act all high and mighty because it was my clan who found the way to get the hackers, not yours.
You speak for the community you say, but WE work for the community.
DIFFERENCE dude
and you need to keep stay calm because if you say that we can give false name of hackers then maybe I'll declare you a hacker next ?
yes whenever there is some shit going against hackers and SS are not involved, BAN ALL MOTHER FUCKERSSSS.
If not, then man they didnt hack you cant prove, pls forgive, next chance, +1 life, innocent little being, show mercy :'(
Find me any reply of mine on any forum where I support banning someone with no evidence being provided. Hint: I never did.
dudeee, are you the only one who is allowed to speak against other clans ?
We have one difference in this, I speak in public and not behind someone's back, balls of steel.
There's a difference between speaking against other clans and openly insulting another guy's clan when he doesn't even represent the clan's view on the topic. Or declared it a clan vs clan war. Perhaps instead of insulting my clan go ahead and try my arguments?
we don't defend any of the hackers in our clan. You used hacks, be ready to face consequences. At least we keep a check on our members unlike you ?
Nor do we. We get informed, we kick. Simple.
Does this other fragment have any backing or did you pull it out of nowhere? Of course you did.
Let me remind you: it was Eddy who in a certain part helped VU uncover a cheater(s) in their ranks.
If you are saying that the hackers can claim that they didn't hack, then I can claim that you want to know the method through which we get the hackers because you want to counter it ?
A person doesn't need to prove their innocence - you need to prove they are guilty of something, which is cheating in this case. Which is all I'm advocating for. This doesn't even matter, since if releasing any evidence would make the method instantly not working then I can understand your reasons for not doing so and I have already conceded that matter earlier.
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and you need to keep stay calm because if you say that we can give false name of hackers then maybe I'll declare you a hacker next ?
Thus proving my case that you shouldn't be trusted. Nice threats going on in here by the way.
You are not a clean person yourself and it has been proved earlier(the CTF ban, just to remind you)
I am a clean person. Do you consider using keybinds to change X/Y sensitivity simultaneously a cheat?
Ofcourse son, I'll act all high and mighty because it was my clan who found the way to get the hackers, not yours.
Okay - nice job so far on making every single conflict have an "us vs them" mentality. I very much appreciate the ones involved from your clan on finding out a seemingly effective method against cheaters - I doubt you are among those people, but if you are then I appreciate your work too. Not your persona though.
You speak for the community you say, but WE work for the community.
DIFFERENCE dude
Did I ever say that I speak for the entire community? I speak for myself and hopefully (in my eyes) the rest as well.
You speak for the community you say, but WE work for the community.
DIFFERENCE dude
So what? XD?
Did I ever say that the ones who found out "the method" have done nothing for the community? No, I haven't.
and you need to keep stay calm because if you say that we can give false name of hackers then maybe I'll declare you a hacker next ?
Just leaving this here: a person who in part has the power to ban 100 people without providing proof says these types of sentences; but we are still to trust them? How would you be able to trust such a person Gangsta?? Or Charley??
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and you need to keep stay calm because if you say that we can give false name of hackers then maybe I'll declare you a hacker next ?
Just leaving this here: a person who in part has the power to ban 100 people without providing proof says these types of sentences; but we are still to trust them? How would you be able to trust such a person Gangsta?? Or Charley??
damn it lol, you don't understand my sarcasm.....
seesh,fine I'm done typing.
You want to win the argument ? fine, but nobody is tell you anything :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
you would be the last person to know :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Im not really very known to the way how this aimlock thing is scanned and analysed in a video
I would like to suggest something, if someone is found guilty (maybe that could be a skilled player or a hacker) a final step of pc history scan should be conducted that will assure tothe community if some one is using shit. Its the most simple way to found those who prefer hacks to play.
Many skilled players are also there in game so maybe some wrong bans can also occur.
Anyways a single ez step in this big new preferable procedure.
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Okay, back on topic please fellas.
So far, the people who have declared that they have A) seen the evidence and detection method and that B) it is accurate, are the following:
GangstaRas
Morphine
Sevrin
But to answer the diversity: NAR, EAF, MK, TRC, UF and clanless.
Gangsta, can you encourage those who you mentioned to confirm these details please? Then we can put this topic to bed.
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Gangsta, can you encourage those who you mentioned to confirm these details please? Then we can put this topic to bed.
Well in my opinion, us proving this to settle anxiety should not be encouraged. Krys prolonging this discussion is taking a mile from an inch. The more info I or everyone involved in this case tells him to satisfy his anxiety is the more we shoot the process in the foot cuz then more cats are revealed among the mice, surprize factor diminishes. It's honestly not that serious to warrant such stress. I might've advertized myself to put to rest some of that anxiety in the community, especially those that made a ruckus about Vice War within the staff and outside of it, but I don't necessarily want others to come out because it's not like the procedure has stopped since this discussion started, it's still going on.
But to put things in even simpler terms, I'm admin of EC and EAD, What do admins do? Well one aspect is that as an admin you're handling pools of information at your disposal, from reports and ban appeals that you have to process. What are in reports and ban appeals to prove innocent or guilty?... and like I said, I'm banning everyone that hacked since 2018 started. That's one aspect of the list. People hacking right in front of me in-game and I note them and perform my admin duty is another simple aspect. Thirdly, I did say two evidences of differing types are against who I'll ban. If we're all so trusting on the admins basic duty explained above, and that brings one aspect of the evidence, why in heaven's name you poking so much for the other aspect? It doesn't matter because you already trusting in the first process isn't that right?
The energy krys coming with is not necessary, it is just not. As such, I don't want anyone else entertaining this proof of authenticity. Morphine not so bad because he left administration mid way in the process but even then I still don't want people entertaining it.
At least one person is in all of whom I've mentioned inclusive VU, so that makes 7 people other than me. Krys need not know a thing more on who specifically, that should be enough.
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Well in my opinion, us proving this to settle anxiety should not be encouraged. Krys prolonging this discussion is taking a mile from an inch. The more info I or everyone involved in this case tells him to satisfy his anxiety is the more we shoot the process in the foot.
I wouldn't be quite so quick to write this off as only Krys's anxiety dude. Regardless of the energy that Krys is presenting his arguments with, essentially what he's asking for is more reliable proof of justice. When you say it's 'not that serious to warrant distress', you have to consider the fact that you have said that you might ban around 100 people - that is quite serious.
Like I said before, while today it's you with the banhammer, tomorrow it's going to be someone else, and so to set the precedent that only one person can wield the power to, without evidence, or corroboration, take such a huge action, is potentially quite dangerous.
If it's your evidence, and you don't want those who you've shared it with to talk about it, then so be it. I fear that this may have some bad consequences in the future, but okay, it's your call.
We've reached a dead end here, so unless anyone says anything particularly new in the next couple of days then we can lock the thread.
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Gangsta, can you encourage those who you mentioned to confirm these details please? Then we can put this topic to bed.
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Well in my opinion, us proving this to settle anxiety should not be encouraged. Krys prolonging this discussion is taking a mile from an inch. The more info I or everyone involved in this case tells him to satisfy his anxiety is the more we shoot the process in the foot.
I wouldn't be quite so quick to write this off as only Krys's anxiety dude. Regardless of the energy that Krys is presenting his arguments with, essentially what he's asking for is more reliable proof of justice. When you say it's 'not that serious to warrant distress', you have to consider the fact that you have said that you might ban around 100 people - that is quite serious.
Like I said before, while today it's you with the banhammer, tomorrow it's going to be someone else, and so to set the precedent that only one person can wield the power to, without evidence, or corroboration, take such a huge action, is potentially quite dangerous.
If it's your evidence, and you don't want those who you've shared it with to talk about it, then so be it. I fear that this may have some bad consequences in the future, but okay, it's your call.
We've reached a dead end here, so unless anyone says anything particularly new in the next couple of days then we can lock the thread.
I'm glad to see someone sees reason here and surprised we're agreeing, or, at the very least - semi-agreeing with each other.
It's sad you have stooped down so low as to personally describe me as anxious regarding the bans along with a handful of other personal insults. Why?
It's very easy to see the current "banathon" is parallel to the events that happen in the real world, the one in which we all live.
What do I mean by this?
You have governments all over the world arresting / detaining people - this is not a conspiracy theory; it's fact - see places like Guantanamo Bay or CIA black sites all over the globe (some of which were in Poland, see: secret CIA prisons in Poland).
What's wrong with that?
That these people are often (if not always) detained with NO EVIDENCE pertaining to their "crime": the crime, which most often is terrorism or stuff similiar like that.
They withhold the evidence (if any exists) in the name of national security. Just like what you are doing in VCMP right now.
How can you see no dangers in this? As long as no evidence is provided, a detention (ban in this case) is / should be considered unlawful. Nobody should possess the power to ban someone with no evidence.
As for this "anxiety" bollocks:
Do you remember when Siezer was banned for speed-hacking on EC? I do.
Do you remember how cold our inter-clan (perhaps inter-person) relations were at that time? I do.
Do you remember when the evidence was refused to be held over to the public? I do.
Do you remember who fought in forum topics against the staff, many of whom were people that I could consider as friends in the game, imploring them to release the evidence based on which they banned your clanmate? I remember. I did.
Do you remember who made the evidence be released at least temporarily? I remember. I did.
Do you remember who supported me the most during this "fight" for the evidence? I remember. VU members did.
And it was all for ONE person and they all wanted to see the evidence for which their clanmate has been banned for something as serious as cheating.
Here? It's 100 people and somehow all of you think you're permitted to ban this many people without providing the public with any evidence whatsoever - going as far as calling me "anxious" in the process.
So here's your "anxiety" GangstaRas. And here's your "only crying when it's ss involved" Shawn. Always wanted things to be proven and never went back on this: no matter what my personal relations with a banned player were.
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No but I want to understand, is it the number of people that's scaring everyone? If I said 10 people, would the situation change to be less serious? If yes, why so? Same protocol, just less people getting banned. And if no, what is really the problem?
You speak of proof of justice, alright. As you would know, a common situation for admins is to make a decision in the moment of offence. You dont have proof other your present eye witness cuz its in the moment, eveyone around you ingame making server reports on this person and when you tested him yourself, you found him guilty, so you gave the appropriate sanction. Anything wrong there?
If I administrate EAD and ban say 10 individuals per month like that for hacking within 10 month period, thats a 100 people for the 10 months right? (assuming that it is not the same person each time). Now if I made a log of everyone coming up to this day that I banned for 10 months for say aimlock, my list still legit and just right? Because it happened, it is the truth. The injustice would be me giving you a second ban that you already served, isnt that right? But suppose I didnt ban them, isnt it just that I do? Delayed punishment for a noted offence. Anything wrong there?
Not to say that this the form of my evidence, an ingame experience that I cant quantify to others later on, shutting that down before any assumptions, but I say it like that to understand if this just a load of situational ethics. If the proof of justice wasnt absent when I served the people in the moment why is it absent now because I kept a list and delayed punishment? Cant be evidence, must be because I havent banned them yet. If the proof justice wasnt absent for 10 persons, why is it absent for 100?
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Give me a moment, will reply to krys but personal insults, wah?
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Dudeee, you are two, three,four or maybe 5 faced person.
I don't trust you at all :D
As simple as that, that's the only reason you won't get any more information. You don't always support what's correct, you support what helps you.
I respect you for only one thing, you are loyal to nobody but your clan.
And that's the reason I brought SS in the conversation soo many times. I don't have anything against SS, but saying something against your clan pisses you off and I took advantage of it and had my revenge, that's all.
Sorry for heart broken love </3
Chill out, won't say anything if that's what you want. That's all tbh.
Peace.
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It's sad you have stooped down so low as to personally describe me as anxious regarding the bans along with a handful of other personal insults. Why?
Explain this part cuz I want to know what I said as a handful of other personal insults :o. And using the term "anxious" was said in an objective manner, not an insulting manner but I apologize if you take it as an insult. I was not trying to insult you or anyone, I was giving my opinion on the situation.
It's very easy to see the current "banathon" is parallel to the events that happen in the real world, the one in which we all live.
What do I mean by this?
You have governments all over the world arresting / detaining people - this is not a conspiracy theory; it's fact - see places like Guantanamo Bay or CIA black sites all over the globe (some of which were in Poland, see: secret CIA prisons in Poland).
What's wrong with that?
That these people are often (if not always) detained with NO EVIDENCE pertaining to their "crime": the crime, which most often is terrorism or stuff similiar like that.
They withhold the evidence (if any exists) in the name of national security. Just like what you are doing in VCMP right now.
How can you see no dangers in this? As long as no evidence is provided, a detention (ban in this case) is / should be considered unlawful. Nobody should possess the power to ban someone with no evidence.
I want you to reply to what I've said regarding this, it is not a case of action without evidence, it is a case of delayed action against evidence. The only problem is that I cannot give the evidence (or all of it) as it will demolish the ongoing method to catch people. That is the only reason no evidence is given, not some injustice martial law type of thing going on.
I'll tell you what, if you want the evidence so bad to see for yourself, then I would suggest that you help me. An action like that much simpler to put this to rest.
As for this "anxiety" bollocks:
Do you remember when Siezer was banned for speed-hacking on EC? I do.
Do you remember how cold our inter-clan (perhaps inter-person) relations were at that time? I do.
Do you remember when the evidence was refused to be held over to the public? I do.
Do you remember who fought in forum topics against the staff, many of whom were people that I could consider as friends in the game, imploring them to release the evidence based on which they banned your clanmate? I remember. I did.
Do you remember who made the evidence be released at least temporarily? I remember. I did.
Do you remember who supported me the most during this "fight" for the evidence? I remember. VU members did.
And it was all for ONE person and they all wanted to see the evidence for which their clanmate has been banned for something as serious as cheating.
Here? It's 100 people and somehow all of you think you're permitted to ban this many people without providing the public with any evidence whatsoever - going as far as calling me "anxious" in the process.
So here's your "anxiety" GangstaRas. And here's your "only crying when it's ss involved" Shawn. Always wanted things to be proven and never went back on this: no matter what my personal relations with a banned player were.
Krys I'm not going to go there with you because again I did not insult or play with anyone's feelings here if that's how you feel. I've spoken to you personally about you and your assumptions, don't bring it back to me. You are my friend, stop looking at VU SS problems when you looking at me. Last time I'm gonna say it.
And again, my answer is, if you personally really want to see the evidence that badly, I open my door to you to help me, because that must be the only way you will understand. No matter how much I try, you continue to take things as a certain way, like someone is painting themselves superiour to someone else. I don't even know how you get there sometimes but that is my offer. I cannot do anything else krys.
EDIT: And if you want to go down memory lane:
You remember in the hell of our relations who heard out SS when the rest of VU clan members didn't want to hear shit at one point in a clanwar we had? I do because that was me listening.
Do you remember who spoke to WiLsOn in order to fix relations with SS and VU so that you can freely play on EAD and even administrate today and we look past the boycotting and all? I do, because I did, and sorted it out with you and Eddy.
That very same clanwar my other members were bitching about, it wasn't going to happen and it especially wasn't going to happen when in that moment I caught RiiLeX for cheating because my members had it that everyone in SS hacks. I had to beg my members not to view any you that way and take it as the individual that's wrong, not the clan. You wouldn't know that part, but if some mishap happens again where the private boards are exposed, you search for that.
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Dudeee, you are two, three,four or maybe 5 faced person.
I don't trust you at all :D
As simple as that, that's the only reason you won't get any more information. You don't always support what's correct, you support what helps you.
I respect you for only one thing, you are loyal to nobody but your clan.
And that's the reason I brought SS in the conversation soo many times. I don't have anything against SS, but saying something against your clan pisses you off and I took advantage of it and had my revenge, that's all.
Sorry for heart broken love </3
Chill out, won't say anything if that's what you want. That's all tbh.
Peace.
Dudeee, you are two, three,four or maybe 5 faced person.
I don't trust you at all :D
I don't trust you either. So what?
As simple as that, that's the only reason you won't get any more information.
I don't want information solely for myself. I want everyone to know why their friend is banned. And so on. To know there's a sense of legitimacy to the bans.
You don't always support what's correct, you support what helps you.
That's true, and I have never denied this.
I support what I believe to be correct; sometimes, my beliefs turn out to be flawed. Nobody has managed to convince me of that in here though so far.
You don't always support what's correct, you support what helps you.
Another claim pulled out of nowhere.
Remember Vice War 5 where I as the only DnA member applied for the red team? How do you think that played out for me in the clan?
Better yet, remember when then-DnA Noori banned Ferrari32 for "admin abuse" because he (Fer) kicked someone for high ping and in turn I banned him? How did that play out for both me and him? Remember? Hint: If I hadn't done that, then we'd probably remain as DnA members until the closing rather than getting kicked and me rejoining it later with him being TRC.
And that's the reason I brought SS in the conversation soo many times. I don't have anything against SS, but saying something against your clan pisses you off and I took advantage of it and had my revenge, that's all.
Glad you admitted to being a troll then I guess?
It's sad you have stooped down so low as to personally describe me as anxious regarding the bans along with a handful of other personal insults. Why?
Explain this part cuz I want to know what I said as a handful of other personal insults :o. And using the term "anxious" was said in an objective manner, not an insulting manner but I apologize if you take it as an insult. I was not trying to insult you or anyone, I was giving my opinion on the situation.
It's very easy to see the current "banathon" is parallel to the events that happen in the real world, the one in which we all live.
What do I mean by this?
You have governments all over the world arresting / detaining people - this is not a conspiracy theory; it's fact - see places like Guantanamo Bay or CIA black sites all over the globe (some of which were in Poland, see: secret CIA prisons in Poland).
What's wrong with that?
That these people are often (if not always) detained with NO EVIDENCE pertaining to their "crime": the crime, which most often is terrorism or stuff similiar like that.
They withhold the evidence (if any exists) in the name of national security. Just like what you are doing in VCMP right now.
How can you see no dangers in this? As long as no evidence is provided, a detention (ban in this case) is / should be considered unlawful. Nobody should possess the power to ban someone with no evidence.
I want you to reply to what I've said regarding this, it is not a case of action without evidence, it is a case of delayed action against evidence. The only problem is that I cannot give the evidence (or all of it) as it will demolish the ongoing method to catch people. That is the only reason no evidence is given, not some injustice martial law type of thing going on.
I'll tell you what, if you want the evidence so bad to see for yourself, then I would suggest that you help me. An action like that much simpler to put this to rest.
As for this "anxiety" bollocks:
Do you remember when Siezer was banned for speed-hacking on EC? I do.
Do you remember how cold our inter-clan (perhaps inter-person) relations were at that time? I do.
Do you remember when the evidence was refused to be held over to the public? I do.
Do you remember who fought in forum topics against the staff, many of whom were people that I could consider as friends in the game, imploring them to release the evidence based on which they banned your clanmate? I remember. I did.
Do you remember who made the evidence be released at least temporarily? I remember. I did.
Do you remember who supported me the most during this "fight" for the evidence? I remember. VU members did.
And it was all for ONE person and they all wanted to see the evidence for which their clanmate has been banned for something as serious as cheating.
Here? It's 100 people and somehow all of you think you're permitted to ban this many people without providing the public with any evidence whatsoever - going as far as calling me "anxious" in the process.
So here's your "anxiety" GangstaRas. And here's your "only crying when it's ss involved" Shawn. Always wanted things to be proven and never went back on this: no matter what my personal relations with a banned player were.
Krys I'm not going to go there with you because again I did not insult or play with anyone's feelings here if that's how you feel. I've spoken to you personally about you and your assumptions, don't bring it back to me. You are my friend, stop looking at VU SS problems when you looking at me. Last time I'm gonna say it.
And again, my answer is, if you personally really want to see the evidence that badly, I open my door to you to help me, because that must be the only way you will understand. No matter how much I try, you continue to take things as a certain way, like someone is painting themselves superiour to someone else. I don't even know how you get there sometimes but that is my offer. I cannot do anything else krys.
EDIT: And if you want to go down memory lane:
You remember in the hell of our relations who heard out SS when the rest of VU clan members didn't want to hear shit at one point in a clanwar we had? I do because that was me listening.
Do you remember who spoke to WiLsOn in order to fix relations with SS and VU so that you can freely play on EAD and even administrate today and we look past the boycotting and all? I do, because I did, and sorted it out with you and Eddy.
That very same clanwar my other members were bitching about, it wasn't going to happen and it especially wasn't going to happen when in that moment I caught RiiLeX for cheating because my members had it that everyone in SS hacks. I had to beg my members not to view any you that way and take it as the individual that's wrong, not the clan. You wouldn't know that part, but if some mishap happens again where the private boards are exposed, you search for that.
Explain this part cuz I want to know what I said as a handful of other personal insults :o. And using the term "anxious" was said in an objective manner, not an insulting manner but I apologize if you take it as an insult. I was not trying to insult you or anyone, I was giving my opinion on the situation.
Krys I'm not going to go there with you because again I did not insult or play with anyone's feelings here if that's how you feel. I've spoken to you personally about you and your assumptions, don't bring it back to me. You are my friend, stop looking at VU SS problems when you looking at me. Last time I'm gonna say it.
The "you" was plural; I didn't mean solely you (if you at all).
I see your usage of the term "anxious" as wrong - I wrote why in my post above: no VU member nor I were described as anxious when wanting to see the evidence of Siezer but rather as people requesting "justice".
The entire situation was described as a response to this, too:
yes whenever there is some shit going against hackers and SS are not involved, BAN ALL MOTHER FUCKERSSSS.
If not, then man they didnt hack you cant prove, pls forgive, next chance, +1 life, innocent little being, show mercy :'(
And again, my answer is, if you personally really want to see the evidence that badly,
Why is everyone assuming I want to get into this super-secret inner-circle of anti-cheaters so badly?
I am asking you to prove that the people who you ban are cheaters by releasing the evidence you have. I express hope that this is what a noticable amount of VCMP players wants.
I can understand why you choose NOT to release your evidence and I believe I've conceded that matter. But calling me anxious for willing to see why I'm supposed to call X and Y cheaters is wrong.
You speak of proof of justice, alright. As you would know, a common situation for admins is to make a decision in the moment of offence. You dont have proof other your present eye witness cuz its in the moment, eveyone around you ingame making server reports on this person and when you tested him yourself, you found him guilty, so you gave the appropriate sanction. Anything wrong there?
Banning someone for cheating always required evidence. Especially if it's about regular players.
There's a difference between banning someone for death evading on the spot and 6 months later.
If I get banned for pausing in the middle of combat the moment you think I did it - I can always upload a video I took with Shadowplay's instant replay and prove I'm innocent.
If you ban me 6 months later - welp, I'm guilty because I don't have a 100 TB HDD to store videos from bloody VCMP on it.
That is the only reason no evidence is given, not some injustice martial law type of thing going on.
you continue to take things as a certain way, like someone is painting themselves superiour to someone else.
As Charley says - this sets a very dangerous precedent. And he's right.
You collaborated with a bunch of other people and you are announcing that a 100 people or so will be banned for cheating and that you will not provide evidence for it: the community (a part of it at least, for some weird fucking reason) instead of protesting - accepts it.
Answer this: Doesn't this basically give you the power to ban anyone for cheating and say that evidence cannot be released due to anti-cheat integrity concerns?
It's not about trust. I trust you, sure, but I will request evidence from anyone - be it Eddy, or you, when it comes to something of the most serious value: cheating.
Cheating is the worst one can do and punishing one without proving it sets a dangerous precedent. Also it's unfair.
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oh im safe :thumbsup:
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oh im safe :thumbsup:
nigga with punch hack
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Can't believe you took Polak srsly for like 6 pages and quoting stuff. :DDDDD
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Answer this: Doesn't this basically give you the power to ban anyone for cheating and say that evidence cannot be released due to anti-cheat integrity concerns?
Yes it does and for all we know, without proof I can be doing anything against my word I get that as the bad precedence, too much power with no hope to refute if illegitimate. But to you krys and all advocating for this aspect, if youre inactive then let me tell you, we are in the most pitiful state in all our years with this rampant cheating all because we cant do anything about it.
You and Charley can subjectively say that even what Im doing seems against my norm character and it is just to show you that desperate times call for desperate measures. No matter the cost, I cannot sit and allow hackers to have the victory over us. The damage is already unfolding that some people are abandoning VCMP solely because of hacks, not busy lives or new interests.....hacks, making Kewun's dream get that much closer. We found a temp way around his selfish efforts that has been aiding the process but not difficult to think around, riddle of sorts. Shooting myself in the foot to provide proof of justice that gives away the riddle is not acceptable at this point, not until devs can do something lasting. In my shoes, would you allow the community to go to the dogs for the sake of proof of justice? I rather lose 100 hackers for good and give them none of my usual mercy than have our legit players leave what looks like a lawless land. I rather err big time on the side of caution than allow hacks to prosper.
Finally, note that I have not banned for any F1 or desync related hacks because those are very grey areas, not even so much wall hacks either, theyre hard to interpret even with evidence sometimes. My bans are solely on the obvious. Speed hacks, aimlock, HP hacks, trainers and any obvious cases of the previously mentioned.
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Well, what krys is saying is right because banning without proof is unfair to those who love playing in a/d mode i am just saying for other players like you guys banned Kiki for aimlock at first i started saying aimlocker to kiki but later when you guys gave him no proof that just proved he was inocent and became clean what he got Just a ban from ead he is still playing in other servers nothing got changed and currently he is applicant of mk looks like they will accept him in some time banning without evidences making no sense
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I trust ganga but i cant :(
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Well then ladies and gentlemen I think that concludes tonight's show.
Personally I trust you Gangsta, and I think your point about 'what's the difference between me doing this in one go, versus doing is over time', is a good one.
I don't think everyone's vision of justice is being served here, but then, it never could be. Good luck Gangsta, and thank you for trying to rid the game of cheaters! If there's one thing that's for sure, it's that everyone in their right mind hopes that you make a successful and lasting impression on the current and would-be cheaters within the community.
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