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Vice Underdogs Clan => News and Announcements => Topic started by: MaDKilleR on January 04, 2017, 05:19:11 pm

Title: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: MaDKilleR on January 04, 2017, 05:19:11 pm
Dear Community,

On the behalf of Vice Underdogs Clan, I am here to announce that Freak has been kicked out from the clan because of his irrational behavior and failure to accept some of the most simplest and common mistakes anyone can make. We think it's necessary to publicly mention the events which forced us to make this decision.



As you may already know, Vice Underdogs has a very dynamic & democratic leadership structure (http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=7427.0) which disallows any single member to have the ultimate authority & decision-making power. In order to exercise democracy within the clan, we switched to this leadership structure three and a half years ago (http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=4988.0) and it went unexpectedly well. Three circles were formed, each of one responsible for the clan in a certain aspect. Here, I'd like to mention that members do not get promoted to any of the circle with the passage of time. They are only elected based on their abilities and leadership qualities and that too if the need is felt. The sole reason of mentioning how this system works is to provide some context to this unfortunate decision we had to make.

Freak was recently found deleting posts, his and other members' because he apparently got mad at him for whatever reason. When confronted by a member of the administrative circle, he stated that he wasn't feeling good and he was mad at him for some reason, that's why he removed many of his posts from the forum, including topics of his, which contained important posts from other members. Moreover, he asked for the forum moderator rank in return so he could himself recover all the deleted posts, which was met by straightforward denial because of his recent emotional decisions. He was also eager to join the administrative circle, which was also denied because of obvious reasons: He wasn't fit for that job.

Freak was sent a statement on the behalf of administrative circle stating that given your recent actions, your access to the partial moderation rights you had has been revoked. Rather than acknowledging his own mistake, he kept on emphasizing his self-assumed facts stating:

Quote from: Freak
So yeah again hatred towards me from some of your clan mates who don't wanted me to become a management circle. I'm pretty sure that I'm never going to be promoted to management circle anyways so I don't really care, I did care in the past to become one but I don't think I've any chances to get promoted due to all the hatred towards me.

Quote from: Freak
Yes, I contributed a lot to Vice Underdogs but I got nothing in return.

Well, pretty obvious he totally refused to acknowledge the fact that you don't get promoted to any of the circles, you're only elected. (See the first paragraph of this post for more details)

A majority of the members of the clan, including the founders and the most senior ones, tried their best to make him understand the statement in the bold above and that deleting posts of other people just because you're mad isn't the right thing to do. Instead of a simple acknowledgment, he clearly refused to understand any of it. Still, he was mad that he is not a part of the clan management as of yet. This was pure immature and childish behavior, which could not be tolerated. Provided this, one of the founding members of Vice Underdogs stepped in, again, to try to make him understand the absurdity of his decisions and thinking process. The management interfered once again to put an end to this issue. Freak was asked to submit a simple, straightforward acknowledgment stating he understands the process of how this clan functions and making decisions out of pure emotions is not acceptable. The acknowledgment was necessary to ensure he now understands everything to prevent any further confusions and such decisions in the future

Instead of the acknowledgment, all the management received in reply from Freak was, "I don't care". When he was personally approached by one of the members of the administrative circle to at least respond to the entire situation he has created, the answer was, "I still don't care".

We discussed this within the administrative circle and decided this is pure humiliating and insulting to all the members of this clan who spent a considerable amount of their time to approach, mentor and try to make one single person understand that he is heading in the wrong direction and this is not how things work. All of our sincere efforts to bring him back were simply trashed by the "I don't care" response. This was not only an insult to all members of this clan who tried solving this issue internally but was also a direct insult to the Vice Underdogs Constitution itself which clearly states that:

Quote from: VU Constitution
Accountability & Responsibility

All members are required to be accountable and responsible for any actions done whilst being a member of Vice Underdogs. If you're aware you've committed a mistake or breached a clan rule, be honest and be quick about stating your breach to any disciplinary staff. Any breach in rules proven to be hidden from the clan's radar will result in a liable kick from the clan roster.

Clan Administration

If a conflict can't be settled in private between two opposing parties in the house, it is settled by the Full Member Council. No full member will dictate any action to be taken by our non-full members. Everyone is a free man, but it is advised that you should listen to the advice of any full member of Vice Underdogs as maturity & amiability are the main reasons persons are promoted into a full member NOT loyalty alone. ALL members of the clan are under the Constitution. Therefore, any full member and member of the Clan's Administrative Circle that breaches ANY of the rules stipulated above may result in his immediate kick from the circle and punishment stipulated by the Constitution for the respective category of the breach.



For the collective good, we are forced to make this unfortunate decision of removing Freak from the clan. Each and every member of Vice Underdogs is expected to exhibit mature & professional behavior both publicly and internally. The most important of all, one must acknowledge their mistakes by keeping their ego & personal will aside and try to look it up as a growth opportunity, rather than assuming you're being alienated or victimized. We felt the need to make all the details public in order to avoid any possible ambiguities which may arise in the future and to allow everyone to know the reason behind this decision.

We wish all the best to Freak with this VC:MP career.

Regards,
Vice Underdogs.



Important Note: Please refrain from making any sort of derogatory/provoking comments over here. We do not intend to further discuss this topic.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Gohan on January 04, 2017, 05:24:44 pm
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Good Luck  :(
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: D.E.[[V]].I.L on January 04, 2017, 05:25:36 pm
Thats surprising. Good luck mate.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Thijn on January 04, 2017, 05:27:01 pm
Good luck with whatever you do
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: WiLsOn on January 04, 2017, 05:34:57 pm
Good luck.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Casper on January 04, 2017, 05:40:35 pm
Good luck.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Dr.Shawn on January 04, 2017, 05:44:16 pm
GL
What else can I say.....
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: BliTz on January 04, 2017, 05:49:41 pm
good luck
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Fercho on January 04, 2017, 05:56:25 pm
good luck
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Knucis on January 04, 2017, 06:04:51 pm
Good luck wherever you go Freak! I sincerely hope you understand this decision, I am sure it wasn't easy for the administration circle either.

Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: hotdogcat on January 04, 2017, 06:09:43 pm
good luck
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: lederhos on January 04, 2017, 07:07:35 pm
Good luck  :-\
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: SMD on January 04, 2017, 07:30:15 pm
Good luck
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: karan on January 04, 2017, 07:30:21 pm
Good luck with whatever you do
He'll asslick WK's just like what he was doing yesterday when I and ryne was battling them, never came to help us once, thrown grenades instead, poor guy, well deserved.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Charley on January 04, 2017, 08:10:51 pm
I am sure it wasn't easy for the administration circle either.

Indeed it was. We tried hard to help Freak with his various situations over the past months, but at the end of the day he wasn't willing to cooperate or meet anyone with a mature compromise.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: TheJeanStyles on January 04, 2017, 09:16:47 pm
Good luck.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: morphine on January 04, 2017, 10:28:57 pm
Good luck.

oh fuck off
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: TheKing on January 05, 2017, 12:11:31 am
Good luck in future endeavors
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Milko on January 05, 2017, 01:20:19 am
Wht
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: GangstaRas on January 05, 2017, 02:44:44 am
We do not intend to further discuss this topic
I'll honour Charley's note but I just have a comment. This dilemma was very, veeeeeeeeeery uncalled for. This is unfortunate news for me to see. I hold nothing against you Freak, still on good terms like nothing happened, but hear (read) me good, wherever you go, drop this behaviour, kill it with fire cuz its not becoming of a person.

Some tough love for ya, appreciate, don't resent it
My two cents.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: BeaTz on January 05, 2017, 02:49:40 am
Mad cuz bad ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: MacTavish^ on January 05, 2017, 04:35:43 am
VU Dead soon
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Riders on January 05, 2017, 05:56:31 am
Good luck in your future endeavors
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: ZUBI on January 05, 2017, 06:38:58 am
Strange but anyway if you do things like that you should be punished

Good luck boi
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: FullFilled^ on January 05, 2017, 08:08:56 am
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good luck
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Niko on January 05, 2017, 09:01:48 am
Good luck man
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: mairee on January 05, 2017, 10:23:26 am
Good luck.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: bhai on January 05, 2017, 10:46:35 am
Good luck, Freak.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: ferrari32 on January 05, 2017, 11:44:40 am
Opposing this decision firmly.

I'll start by correcting Madkiller. Nobody was getting elected to any of the circles in the first place, when they were introduced, all you had to do was pick one and you'd be assigned.

Also, I haven't realized this clan is about kicking people out, I thought that the spotlight is on improving and helping our members overcome any/all faults and misunderstandings.

I find it unacceptable that one of our finest got kicked for a minor transgression, when there's much more serious crap going on within our ranks, and no fucks are given.

You've decided to kick a member that I myself have raised through the ranks, training him both in fighting and in character. A lot of work was put in by Freak to become the person he is, and might I say, given his age he is a very mature person. It saddens me to go against my clan like this, but I feel a sense of duty towards doing so. maybe I'll get kicked too
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: MaDKilleR on January 05, 2017, 02:31:49 pm
We do not intend to further discuss this topic
I'll honour Charley's note but I just have a comment. This dilemma was very, veeeeeeeeeery uncalled for. This is unfortunate news for me to see. I hold nothing against you Freak, still on good terms like nothing happened, but hear (read) me good, wherever you go, drop this behaviour, kill it with fire cuz its not becoming of a person.

Some tough love for ya, appreciate, don't resent it
My two cents.

Well actually that was my note, Charley made some edits to this post but I don't know which ones :x

I'll start by correcting Madkiller. Nobody was getting elected to any of the circles in the first place, when they were introduced, all you had to do was pick one and you'd be assigned.

Yes, of course, this is how it was when the circles were introduced. However, as you may already know, we no longer function like that. Now, one cannot choose a circle all by himself.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Charley on January 05, 2017, 02:37:33 pm
Wilson and Vito, please stop. This is not the place.

Opposing this decision firmly.

Understood. I'll pm you and share with you the whole story, I think you might feel a bit differently.

As for the circles, indeed, people have never been 'elected' and I never said this. But they are there as per what is necessary for that function of the clan to be carried out correctly. The administrative circle was of the opinion that we were already too large, so adding anyone else would be a bad idea.

Well actually that was my note, Charley made some edits to this post but I don't know which ones :x

Indeed. I only edited the bit where you said that he specifically deleted someone else's posts. He deleted his topics, which deleted all of the posts in those topics. He didn't have the forum permissions to delete others' posts directly.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Thijn on January 05, 2017, 05:44:04 pm
Offtopic replies removed.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Freak on January 05, 2017, 06:29:44 pm
I'll add my 1 cent here

Quote from: MaDKiLLeR
Freak was recently found deleting posts, his and other members
I only deleted my topics and posts, I didn't deleted anyone else topics/posts.

Quote from: MaDKiLLeR
Freak was asked to submit a simple, straightforward acknowledgment stating he understands the process of how this clan functions
I did replied on that topic guess it was too late to reply.

Quote from: MaDKiLLeR
Each and every member of Vice Underdogs is expected to exhibit mature & professional behavior both publicly and internally.
My attitude is pretty good and I do show maturity, tell me if I don't act mature. You might don't know but I'm only 15 years old so I can't really show the same maturity level as a 30 years old man.



I will also mention the two main reasons I've been kicked out for:

1) I removed my topics and posts which led to the deletion of other post in my topic.
2) I didn't replied in time to Charley's topic which he made about me, I did replied however it was too late.

Thanks for all the comments, and for Ferrari I'm really happy to see that a pillar of VU and VCMP trying to raise his voice for me, salute to you!
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: TheKing on January 05, 2017, 10:29:27 pm
(On phone thats why theres not a quote) ^ I think theres more to thise reasons stated above. The topic is not a discussion and I will not let this turn into a shitstorm. The statement is official and final, the rest is handle within clan private boards. Thank you.
Title: Re: Freak has been kicked from VU.
Post by: Charley on January 06, 2017, 10:05:59 am
I will also mention the two main reasons I've been kicked out for:

1) I removed my topics and posts which led to the deletion of other post in my topic.
2) I didn't replied in time to Charley's topic which he made about me, I did replied however it was too late.

This is not the whole truth, and leaves out some very important things. In fact the main reason you were kicked was that over the course of two months you proved that you were unwilling to communicate and compromise with your clanmates, and unwilling to accept your mistakes. When you deleted the topics you weren't even given a proper warning, all that was asked was that you understood what you had done wrong.