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Title: Split Team Discussion
Post by: Charley on December 12, 2017, 02:31:30 am
In this post I am not speaking as a representative of Vice War, I am speaking just as myself.

I would like to encourage the Triumvirate to split into more than one gang. The point of Vice War 7 is to have a brawl between many different teams, not for one team to create a super-alliance and dominate. The Triumvirate in its current state goes against the spirit of Vice War 7, it makes it less fun. By creating a super-alliance you will probably win, sure, but winning is not everything. What's the point of victory if the battle wasn't fun? This is a game, after all.

You may scream 'WELL IT'S NOT AGAINST THE RULES', but let's be honest, most of us are adults, we shouldn't need everything to be written down in rules. We should be mature enough to understand the point of something and then contribute to its success accordingly.

Please think carefully about how interesting this game could be, and how boring you are making it.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Sevrin on December 12, 2017, 03:10:14 am
I guess in last VW, there were more than 100 players per team. We currently have like 60, wolf pack is also having good numbers of players.

The third team is still recruiting, and you're forgetting that clans like EAF, NAR and shit tons of clanless players didn't applied yet and also DU is joining the other team. 3 teams or maybe someone else makes 4th, who knows since VCMP player database got enough players huh.

As said bt your fellow clanmate in the discussions, Gangstaras that teams having more players will suffer more from casualties and will have to face disadvantages and teams in lesser numbers i.e. the third team, will have advantage over them.

Although, I still get your point but it's somewhere not making a sense, because of this time's scores system, the lesser in number team is, it will be up.

Our team, The Triumvirate isn't really super team as its mixture of 3 teams SS TRC and Do. You see, UFs are splitting, 3 are with us and few are applying elsewhere. Then you see, the players who don't want to join our team neither wolf pack are going in 3rd one. So three teams would be okay as you know how it goes in VW.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Eddy on December 12, 2017, 05:21:36 am
Hey charley :D

I would like to encourage the Triumvirate to split into more than one gang.

First of all, if you don't have the desire to encourage the pink wolves to split, then this post does not make sense, I mean: well, when I saw your post, I immediately went to the wolf pack team topic and I did not see this same post there being aware that they are like 75 (and not, do not say "but that's 1 team VU only, no, that team is not only composed by VU)

then I also saw that in the shoutbox you are saying that we made a very boring move, you seem to blame us for this, man, if you get to see most of the applications of the wolf pack, is the same as the triumvirate, there's vu, mk, uf and other players without clan, is the same.

main reason of the triumvirate = the wolf pack, nobody wanted to apply/create a team at least the majority and some players without clan that are close to me, how to face it? alliance the same thing on the wolf pack side.

tbh no one on SS (the clan that I lead) and Do (my country) they were 100% denied to participate, and also some people close to me from TRC due to the scoring system, several teams and for the following: imagine

6 members from do
10 ss
10 trc
mk (idk since they are inactive)
gastaras team maybe 10-15 or more

wolf pack 60 or more?

there is not a damn balance, why do you think many players applied to the triumvirate? do you think SS, TRC,Do,UF,MK and other clans/clan less players would create separate teams watching a super team with almost 70 players? please bro

Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Charley on December 12, 2017, 05:51:49 am
Hey Eddy :)

I immediately went to the wolf pack team topic and I did not see this same post there being aware that they are like 75

That's not true - the Wolf Pack count is currently 49. Triumvirate is currently at 60.


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then I also saw that in the shoutbox you are saying that we made a very boring move, you seem to blame us for this, man, if you get to see most of the applications of the wolf pack, is the same as the triumvirate, there's vu, mk, uf and other players without clan, is the same.

Yeah, except we didn't plan a big alliance.


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there is not a damn balance, why do you think many players applied to the triumvirate? do you think SS, TRC,Do,UF,MK and other clans/clan less players would create separate teams watching a super team with almost 70 players? please bro

Fair point, a super team with 70 players != good balance. So let's work together to make this balanced. Currently there are 29 VUs signed up, 3 of whom, I'd imagine, might not play (me, Thijn and Pleyo), and more will only play for an hour or two. If we were to make the Wolf Pack a VU-only group, would you consider splitting Triumvirate into relatively similar sized groups?
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: aXXo on December 12, 2017, 06:23:22 am
Not sure if I mentioned this before, but the Wolf Pack was a free for all group so that rejects who have no place in any team can join it and be able to participate. Those who were present at EAD Championship auction, would know that we are dealing with an elitist community who has no consideration about newbies. There were several newbies who had to be forced into teams, when no one wanted to bid on them.

I took the responsibility to lead such a team which could be home to paki rejects. We did not plan on any massive alliances. The surge of applications we got early on was because we were the only team available.

the intent overall.
Tony has described the intent of multiple team system in his post above(click the post). It could get somewhat clusterfuck, but it should be fun taking down the team that is sitting on the top of the table. Additionally, you get to completely personalize your team and get a sense of ownership. It always feels good to play for a team that you created and assembled yourself.

The team you created is not a biker gang. It is a bandwagon. If you think The Wolf Pack is also a band wagon, I'm ready to shuffle it and form my own personalized team(actually I always wanted to do that, but did not want to waste GangstaRas' efforts on the flag :D).
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Sora_Blue on December 12, 2017, 06:28:00 am
Tbh I would have preferred the old fashioned style VW that everyone knows and loves.
With that said, I'll await and see how the event progresses further before I consider applying.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Freak on December 12, 2017, 06:38:42 am
...

The Wolf Pack


(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FwwIKyFT.png&hash=8ad934f7f9a31d8a13cc6a0e409df0c5389d4682)

Recruitment Criteria
The Wolf Pack believes in numbers superiority and focuses on gathering the biggest gang in the Biker Brawl.


 :-\
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: ferrari32 on December 12, 2017, 07:46:13 am
Just play the damn game.. it's like every year I see more of the same shit

Who really cares about the size and number of teams if it's fun
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Klaus on December 12, 2017, 10:03:45 am
It could get somewhat clusterfuck, but it should be fun taking down the team that is sitting on the top of the table.
I'm guessing you don't really understand much about loyalty? I'm not talking about fake alliances here that you're thinking of, but real ones based on actual ties between two clans. Do you really think, for example, that Do would backstab SS if SS were on top? Don't be silly. They wouldn't care much I don't think, actually they would probably be happy for SS to win knowing they helped in their victory. That's an alliance, and loyalty. I think many clans have this relationship. So your idea of everyone backstabbing each other to try and win might not play out as you think. Apologies for the off-topic haha.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: WiLsOn on December 12, 2017, 10:49:06 am
Best vicewar, no hating, or no shit, just fun.

http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?board=111.0


http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?board=126.0


Let's face it this team is built on grudges and hating on VU, i don't care who join who, as long as people are mature enough to understand what game mode is that is called real vice war, but end of the day let's everyone have fun and hate VU, may your dick grow even more after hating.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: XGamer on December 12, 2017, 11:26:30 am
Let's face it this team is built on grudges and hating on VU, i don't care who join who, as long as people are mature enough to understand what game mode is that is called real vice war, but end of the day let's everyone have fun and hate VU, may your dick grow even more after hating.
Excuse me, what?

This whole alliance was built because of the number of people that applied to join the Wolf Pack so we had to do something to balance things out.
Imagine if TRC, SS or Do make their own team, they would be at a disadvantage against the Wolf Pack because we would have less players.

And to make things clear about this whole numbers issue, before our alliance with SS and Do was made the Wolf Pack had a topic with 4 pages filled with applications.
I guess this is enough proof to debunk these assumptions.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: WiLsOn on December 12, 2017, 11:56:13 am
I think you are misunderstanding, i am not saying anything related to balance, i'll be more clear with an example.


What we expected?

VU, MK, DU, clanless players (Team 1)

SS, DO, UF, clanless players (Team 2)

TRC, ON, WK, clanless players (Team 3)

EAF, NAR, some more argo clans(?), clanless players (Team 4)

What we got?

VU, DU, MK, clanless players (Team 1)

SS, DO, MK(because i see an MK applied there so) TRC, ON, UF, MD, KF and clanless players (Team 2)

Here what i read in VW7 topic ( http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?topic=9118.0 )


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The Teams
Teams are represented as Biker Gangs in this edition. Unlike previous editions, there will be unrestricted number of teams that can be created. Everyone is eligible to register their own team and recruit its members. Team leaders will have the freedom to recruit and deny applicants into their created teams. Visit the Gangs and Registration board to register your team.

If you think that entire VU going to play i think you are wrong and you are not understanding, many of our members having issues since years within fps, ping and they won't able to play, you can expect only 15 or 10 VUs going to be active in the server, DU, on other hand i think they will barely play, more like 2 or 3 hours and they will leave, MK they got 8 or 7 active members and they won't able to play 24/7 either.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: XGamer on December 12, 2017, 12:13:19 pm
What we expected?

VU, MK, DU, clanless players (Team 1)

SS, DO, UF, clanless players (Team 2)

TRC, ON, WK, clanless players (Team 3)

EAF, NAR, some more argo clans(?), clanless players (Team 4)

What we got?

VU, DU, MK, clanless players (Team 1)

SS, DO, MK(because i see an MK applied there so) TRC, ON, UF, MD, KF and clanless players (Team 2)
Well you see our orginal alliance was only with SS and Do, we didn't expect to see alot of people join only both of the teams.
Also some of our members didn't agree to team up with WK and we had members who wanted to just join Do, not a team that TRC clan wanted to create.
From there we had to do something. This team was not built on grudges and hating on VU, we simply felt that this alliance would balance things out.
Also we have a alot of time before VW to sort things out.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Eddy on December 12, 2017, 01:27:46 pm
Let's face it this team is built on grudges and hating on VU, i don't care who join who, as long as people are mature enough to understand what game mode is that is called real vice war
let's face it, you are responsible for all the dramas that arise in this forum, do not come to damage this, you are the one who must be mature here. (We are discussing in a normal way about the balance, move)

I want to clarify something, apart from the heads of the triumvirate (ss, do, trc) we do not force any clan to play with us, they applied voluntarily.


would you consider splitting Triumvirate into relatively similar sized groups?
Man, I do not know, the alliance is already established and if I try to do this then we would have to discuss it with the people who have applied here and we have accepted and believe me, they will not agree.

I think you are misunderstanding, i am not saying anything related to balance, i'll be more clear with an example.


What we expected?

VU, MK, DU, clanless players (Team 1)

SS, DO, UF, clanless players (Team 2)

TRC, ON, WK, clanless players (Team 3)

EAF, NAR, some more argo clans(?), clanless players (Team 4)
The VW staff had to put this topic as a exmple from the beginning

Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: WiLsOn on December 12, 2017, 02:36:29 pm
Reply removed - WiLsOn


Edit: requesting to everyone, let it be as it is no change is required because event isn't promising anymore, i am pretty sure many players already losing interest including me because we are back again old vice war, i forgot that it's vcmp community having mature conversation always lead to fights and drama, peace out.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Tobi0 on December 12, 2017, 02:47:00 pm
Reply removed - WiLsOn


Edit: requesting to everyone, let it be as it is no change is required because event isn't promising anymore, i am pretty sure many players already losing interest including me because we are back again old vice war, i forgot that it's vcmp community having mature conversation always lead to fights and drama, peace out.

Event will be promising, I will make it promising because I will make Tobi0 team if there aren't 4 team before beta test.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: krystianoo on December 12, 2017, 02:54:20 pm
Hello, you might have misunderstood the purpose of this topic - it is merely for player registration, not creating a drama and a shitstorm like what is currently being achieved in this topic.

Please move somewhere else after this reply. At the very least - it would be nice if you had done so and I would force you if I could, but I can't, as this is your forum.



In this post I am not speaking as a representative of Vice War, I am speaking just as myself.

I would like to encourage the Triumvirate to split into more than one gang. The point of Vice War 7 is to have a brawl between many different teams, not for one team to create a super-alliance and dominate. The Triumvirate in its current state goes against the spirit of Vice War 7, it makes it less fun. By creating a super-alliance you will probably win, sure, but winning is not everything. What's the point of victory if the battle wasn't fun? This is a game, after all.

You may scream 'WELL IT'S NOT AGAINST THE RULES', but let's be honest, most of us are adults, we shouldn't need everything to be written down in rules. We should be mature enough to understand the point of something and then contribute to its success accordingly.

Please think carefully about how interesting this game could be, and how boring you are making it.

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The Triumvirate in its current state goes against the spirit of Vice War 7

Yes - and Vice War 7 goes against the spirit of the Vice War event, which in all it's editions was always about 2 teams fighting each other - not players creating their own teams.

But I realise this is not an actual answer to what you are saying above.

Had The Triumvirate (or some alternative form of it) not applied, this event would most likely still be dead in terms of registrations.

Had multiple small teams been formed (which I heavily doubt), The Wolf Pack would not split voluntarily, in fact - most likely even if asked, they still wouldn't.

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By creating a super-alliance you will probably win

Is it a super-alliance? It is just 3 clans, hence the name - The Triumvirate. We did not force anyone to apply, and we are very thankful to those who choose to support us and are not going to force them out or lobby for some sort of team division. No.

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What's the point of victory if the battle wasn't fun? This is a game, after all.

So it is OUR responsibility to make the event fun for you? It is OUR duty to adjust to YOU?

Why do WE have to do anything at all? Why can't YOU try to adjust to US?

It is up to the team captains, leaders - the team members to get more people to assist in their cause.

Currently, we have the numbers majority - but if, instead of going in here and complaining would you actually try to do something to fix it, this problem perhaps wouldn't exist.
Such was the case in Vice War 6 - people on teamchat were saying that we're outnumbered, that we'll lose, it's all meaningless. Sure. So what? Either give up, or fight it.

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let's be honest, most of us are adults, we shouldn't need everything to be written down in rules. We should be mature enough to understand the point of something and then contribute to its success accordingly.

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What's the point of victory if the battle wasn't fun? This is a game, after all.

I assume that VU went by this logic while choosing their "Damn Roofers" map for the clan war?

If we try to villify people with such statements, let's make sure that we haven't done the same things in the past.

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Please think carefully about how interesting this game could be, and how boring you are making it.

This is a free market, amigo. People have chosen to apply here instead of forming their own alliances and teams, and of course I thank all of those who have done so and will not support splitting the team or force anyone to change it.

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The surge of applications we got early on was because we were the only team available.

But do you understand why were you the only team available?

Also, what surge of applications, except for VU members and a very small amount of other-clanned people? Only after this team formed have you received a surge in applications of people willing to play against us.

People willing to play against us and NOT willing to create their own teams - and such people make up a huge % of the community.

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The team you created is not a biker gang. It is a bandwagon.

We have not created a "bandwagon". We did not force those who have applied to apply.

We will not deny players when they are willing to join us.

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Tbh I would have preferred the old fashioned style VW that everyone knows and loves.

So would I - at least then, there would be no complaining after the event regarding the team system and how we ruined it, because it would be "predefined" - 2 teams.



Best vicewar, no hating, or no shit, just fun.

http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?board=111.0


http://viceunderdogs.com/index.php?board=126.0


Let's face it this team is built on grudges and hating on VU, i don't care who join who, as long as people are mature enough to understand what game mode is that is called real vice war, but end of the day let's everyone have fun and hate VU, may your dick grow even more after hating.

I'm slightly irritated.

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Best vicewar, no hating, or no shit, just fun.

Of course, different times. You see, when people were losing then, they wouldn't resort to admin powers or posting on forums, they'd deal with the situation. In-game.

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Let's face it this team is built on grudges and hating on VU

What grudges, and what hating VU? You are the ones holding grudges, pal.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that I have personally reached out to GangstaRas or perhaps other VU members trying to normalize relations with VU.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that we're not the ones calling you wall-hack users or cheaters.

In fact, I'm pretty sure we're the ones who resumed playing on EAD without even getting apologized. We might live in 2017 and it might be a weird era, but I am pretty sure that anyone who has been banned for "using 3rd party programs to edit game memory" for a year around 6 months after the fact based on a video posted before the server's existence and was also unbanned before that duration even passed just because a server event was coming would want an apology.

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end of the day let's everyone have fun and hate VU, may your dick grow even more after hating.

Yeah, I don't really see VU being hated in this topic.

In fact, the only person who I see hating is you with personal attacks:

If VW staff is going you tell you meaning of every single thing, then i guess we should give you dummy so you can suck on it whenever you have any question, as far as drama goes, don't make me start again giving out large ass lectures, and i am talking to TRC member, he's far more mature than any SS, thank you.

Please, forum administrators, help.

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Edit: requesting to everyone, let it be as it is no change is required because event isn't promising anymore, i am pretty sure many players already losing interest including me because we are back again old vice war, i forgot that it's vcmp community having mature conversation always lead to fights and drama, peace out.

How can you go inside a topic, shit all over it and then leave saying that "mature conversations lead to fighting and dramas"? You are the one causing them. You are the cause of all of them.



Let me restate again: please quit posting in this topic if you do not wish to apply or point out things about a specific applicant, such as the fact that he applied in multiple teams, for example.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: WiLsOn on December 12, 2017, 03:01:39 pm
Personal attacks? if i am not wrong i was targeting entire members of your team until XGamer came and said it's not like what i think, no hate or whatever, again if i am not wrong, Eddy himself targeted me and said i am responsible for this drama or that drama, not going to mention about EAD anything since Vicewar and EAD far from being same, so yeah this is not right place to discuss about anything EAD.


One thing i agree with you think it would be better if any admin can move replies to any other topic, if anyone was offended with what i said i am truly sorry, my aim was to save event so everyone can have fun, as Charley mentioned it's not about wining or losing, its about having fun, peace out.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: morphine on December 12, 2017, 03:12:34 pm
what a load of indecisiveness...


initially, the public opinion on the matter of having more than two gangs compete in Vice War was mostly negative ("oh my god more than 2 gangs is inconvenient as shit because confusion and in conclusion everyone should join the hosting body's team just because")

now, the public opinion on the matter has changed to "oh my god we have competition and our competitors are better at gathering participants so split your gang into more than 1 because what the fuck"

make up your fucking minds will you..
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Tobi0 on December 12, 2017, 03:17:35 pm
How about splitting both Wolf Pack and The Triumvirate in 4 teams?
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Milko on December 12, 2017, 03:36:53 pm
lol wtf

@Tobio: and what will happen after that? Surely our team would still be the most powerful. Keep it splitting and we'll end up with a ViceWar FFA. :(

/edit: I understand the paranoia, but what's been done has been done. Why make changes now and cause more mass confusions?
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: karan on December 12, 2017, 03:38:25 pm
How about splitting both Wolf Pack and The Triumvirate in 4 teams?
how about no vw this year?
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: KILLERX. on December 12, 2017, 03:39:03 pm
why split? get some players for your Wolfpack VUs
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: GangstaRas on December 12, 2017, 03:49:09 pm
Everyones just hot-headed. Take a breather, no need to be hostile or passive-agressive. Whatever of the past, let it go. This has been frustrating for both but its important we see everything for what it was/is and not from the tunnel vision of our own opinions. So I'll start from the top.

We make VW7 and announce to the community. Mutiple groups can be made, unlimited group members.

People did not like the idea. We ask why, some gave legit concerns about balance but many just didnt want multiple groups cuz it was out of the norm.

Two people made a group initially and I declined them both. One was just blatantly not following instructions and the other was because the they made an incomplete application. Because the flags are integral to this new game mode I didnt want anyone to make a group with promise of a flag, then that group gains traction and a flag never comes. We not gonna break a feature because none arrived in time and we not gonna shutdown a group with members joined to tell them go find another  so it was best to keep the standard and act quickly. Hope the community understands that.

Wolf Pack made, allowing everyone to join, creating this potentially giant monopoly. Half the community sees it, wonders what to do about it.

The Triumvirate is made, regardless original intent of design, registers as a group for all as well. People unable to create a group for whatever reason or people unwilling to, flocked to this group as the opposition.

I made Free Conglomerate out of complaint of no options for the denied which in this case would be people like WK should they wish to apply, cuz neither group wants them in and if they cant make one for themselves, this is it for them.

We now at this applications group writing requests for splits.



Look at what i said and see the errors. Some things shouldve come before others. Mistakes that added up from both and as Morphine stated, we have indecisiveness.

I dont mind the asking for changes and Im not saying the community is innocent, but the blaiming when we digged ourselves into our own hole, nah. If its gonna be like that to them here, better we just play. We allowed this freedom and the implementation beforehand didnt quite allow for workable options.


Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Tobi0 on December 12, 2017, 04:04:32 pm
lol wtf

@Tobio: and what will happen after that? Surely our team would still be the most powerful. Keep it splitting and we'll end up with a ViceWar FFA. :(

/edit: I understand the paranoia, but what's been done has been done. Why make changes now and cause more mass confusions?
But there will be 4 teams not 2, at the end even if there were alliances between them just 1 will win so alliances could be  disintegrated at last moment.

Vice War VIII, there will be unlimited teams of 3 players each one fighting for the control of different islands. (It may be a real suggestion xD)
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Piterus on December 12, 2017, 04:30:46 pm
Seriously this is problem that it will be The Triumvirate vs The Wolf Pack? That was during the last 6 editions (I mean two teams) and nobody died because of it. If players want it again - why not. After all, it's just a game. Still better to fight in the game than here.

I made Free Conglomerate out of complaint of no options for the denied which in this case would be people like WK should they wish to apply, cuz neither group wants them in and if they cant make one for themselves, this is it for them.

Free Conglomerate will probably fail. At the moment, it's only there Karan right? :D Btw. If WK will apply, I'm almost sure they will be in The Triumvirate team, but tbh I don't think so they will apply this year.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Sora_Blue on December 12, 2017, 04:33:58 pm
Btw. If WK will apply, I'm almost sure they will be in The Triumvirate team, but tbh I don't think so they will apply this year.
WK is not taking part this year.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Avenger on December 12, 2017, 06:59:01 pm
What we expected?

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.vc-mp.eu%2Fimages%2FgtP1pfn2.png&hash=cf7fb89c33e62b52fd0f142b4bbcf75037fe2e2f)

What we got?

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.vc-mp.eu%2Fimages%2F0i8AXbpt.jpg&hash=f2b406289696bc64098ae7cc0344acbe86946741)

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.vc-mp.eu%2Fimages%2FZ4wShIa.png&hash=bd91b51770693db95a0971138752dd13335d524f)
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Charley on December 13, 2017, 03:08:27 am
Ah jesus.

Everyone seems to have ignored this:

So let's work together to make this balanced.

My comments weren't an attack on you guys personally, they were out of concern for the game balance, and with the desire to cooperatively come to some sort of solution for the sake of this game. I offered a couple of possible solutions that appear to have been completely ignored, and instead everyone is playing the blame game.

Rational discourse and mutual respect seems to be outside the reach of this community nowadays. Eddy, thank you for your reasoned responses. Everyone else, I don't know what to say... Grow up, I guess.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Milko on December 13, 2017, 03:23:39 am
a playercount limit should have been set on the get-go
it's too late now...
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Sora_Blue on December 13, 2017, 03:54:12 am
@Charley, Do I have to remind you about VW5?
The fact that red team had almost double the amount of players as blue team had yet none of you gave a single shit in terms of balance.
You may not have been directly involved or even aware about it but that doesn't exclude the rest of your clan/team who jumped on the bandwagon telling blue team to not complain about it, I know for a fact that those childboards are still around on the forum.
Most of the statements are frankly hypocritical to say the least.
So please let's not head into that direction.
Title: Re: Re: The Triumvirate Split Team Discussion
Post by: Charley on December 13, 2017, 04:05:11 am
@Charley, Do I have to remind you about VW5?
The fact that red team had almost double the amount of players as blue team had yet none of you gave a single shit in terms of balance.
You may not have been directly involved or even aware about it but that doesn't exclude the rest of your clan/team who jumped on the bandwagon telling blue team to not complain about it, I know for a fact that those childboards are still around on the forum.
Most of the statements are frankly hypocritical to say the least.
So please let's not head into that direction.

I don't know about that, but if we're to consider it here then we should use it as an example to learn from the mistakes of the past, not to repeat them. And once again, avoid playing the blame game, which you are slipping into once again. It's not constructive.

Anyway, as this dialogue will clearly go nowhere productive, I want to wish you good luck Triumvirate. Everyone have a good game, have fun, and be prepared to be pwned by the Wolf Pack.