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Title: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: stormeus on August 03, 2013, 05:02:26 pm
ViceWar will not be restarted on August 10th. However, if you feel that another ViceWar should still be held earlier, you may vote to hold it in autumn of this year, winter of this year, or summer of next year. You may also vote for any combination of the three, including all of them. For further information, refer to this post:

http://vu.vrocker-hosting.co.uk/index.php?topic=4708.msg55811#msg55811

The old topic text is as follows:
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As the title suggests, the staff is proposing allowing ViceWar to end, then doing more extensive tests to eliminate script crashes and add more features, and restarting in a week.

Yes or no?
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Zeke on August 03, 2013, 05:06:00 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Dr.Shawn on August 03, 2013, 05:06:12 pm
i will go with a Yes!
Without a Dout
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: PaGlia on August 03, 2013, 05:06:34 pm
As the title suggests, the staff is proposing allowing ViceWar to end, then doing more extensive tests to eliminate script crashes and add more features, and restarting in a week.

Yes or no?
Obviously.

I Can't play with these crashes, please re-make the vice war in a week or two.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Revolver on August 03, 2013, 05:07:41 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: stormeus on August 03, 2013, 05:11:19 pm
<Stormeus> If you could access it would you vote yes?
<Murdock> yep
<Stormeus> There we go then
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Shadow.X on August 03, 2013, 05:11:48 pm
YES YES YES ! , Btw a official yes.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: [TZ_R]SuperKiller on August 03, 2013, 05:12:47 pm
Why Not YES...  O0
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: T3rroR on August 03, 2013, 05:12:56 pm
Great :) But We have Eid in Pakistan ..... but i will try to come  ;) . timing ??  :-X
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Nadeem on August 03, 2013, 05:13:09 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: OathBreaker on August 03, 2013, 05:13:16 pm
Yes.But I have a request that As I will not player VW3 can anyone make a good video of it and give me its link??
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Shadow on August 03, 2013, 05:14:00 pm
Yes x 69
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Nadeem on August 03, 2013, 05:15:44 pm

Ping script is bugged,even if you have 350- ping you get a kick.
Spree system is bugged.
Server crashes.


Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: BruceLee on August 03, 2013, 05:18:21 pm
Yes Well can we finish it on 5 August, 2013 Because 8/9/10 Is Eid day in Pakistan  :blank:
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: cool5 on August 03, 2013, 05:19:03 pm
Of course Yes


Ping script is bugged,even if you have 350- ping you get a kick.
Spree system is bugged.
Server crashes.

My account is bugged too, I'm damn sure the password I type is correct but I always get a error 'wrong password'.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: BruceLee on August 03, 2013, 05:19:40 pm
What about on 5 August, 2013??
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Shadow on August 03, 2013, 05:25:35 pm
Of course Yes


Ping script is bugged,even if you have 350- ping you get a kick.
Spree system is bugged.
Server crashes.

My account is bugged too, I'm damn sure the password I type is correct but I always get a error 'wrong password'.

had same, logged in with by "/c login    " hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


What about on 5 August, 2013??

tooo soon. no time to fix everything
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Gudio on August 03, 2013, 05:26:46 pm
What about on 5 August, 2013??
You shouldn't even post it if you aren't in staff.

I did a proxy for two players, because they weren't able to join the server. If you restart the event, I'd like to give another IP address and port for players who have connection problem as well.

I guess the accounts are bugged. After my joins, the server has crashed 5-6 times in a row, then few guys started to blaming me lol (the same happened with madkillerz)
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Tom on August 03, 2013, 05:28:42 pm
No shit. Blue won. Post results/webstats etc.
We fought for our deserved victory and now bunch of players from loser team is going to steal this victory by this poll.

Next time do your server/script better.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Deadmau5 on August 03, 2013, 05:33:38 pm
Yes!!!
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Kessu on August 03, 2013, 05:39:42 pm
No shit. Blue won. Post results/webstats etc.
We fought for our deserved victory and now bunch of players from loser team is going to steal this victory by this poll.

Next time do your server/script better.
^ why russians should lay off the vodka

Let the guys play this VW to it's end without ending it pre-maturely. Then maybe do another one without script failures.
Also this should count as the 'official' one, next one would be more for entertainment purposes  :angel:

Maybe possibly combine the kills from this VW and the possible next to get the winner? :D
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Deso on August 03, 2013, 05:43:28 pm
No shit. Blue won. Post results/webstats etc.
We fought for our deserved victory and now bunch of players from loser team is going to steal this victory by this poll.

Next time do your server/script better.

Fuck off, ruskie.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: [EAF]Sorrow on August 03, 2013, 05:45:26 pm
Let the guys play this VW to it's end without ending it pre-maturely. Then maybe do another one without script failures.
Also this should count as the 'official' one, next one would be more for entertainment purposes  :angel:
Maybe possibly combine the kills from this VW and the possible next to get the winner? :D

Dis
The crashes didn't make a difference for every single kill that was made, so we can't like ignore these.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Nadeem on August 03, 2013, 05:51:13 pm
There were no crashes till GMT +6 [when 6 hours were passed] .But after that server started crashing.I  bet someone was crashing the server from blue team.
How could we play with these crashes?We lost all the cash,all the weps .We were not even able to play.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Tom on August 03, 2013, 05:54:53 pm
I have nothing against restart actually.
I just want organizers to post official results. At least of that part of event.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Kessu on August 03, 2013, 05:56:02 pm
Nadeem, the server's unstable due to most likely a script failure.

AFAIK no member was intentionally crashing it (I might be wRONg)
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: UJIbU4 on August 03, 2013, 05:58:27 pm
No, and the vote is not fair because there are 81 reds and only 61 blues.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: stormeus on August 03, 2013, 05:59:15 pm
I have nothing against restart actually.
I just want organizers to post official results. At least of that part of event.

This is going to be done in the event of a restart.

No, and the vote is not fair because there are 81 reds and only 61 blues.

I don't think winning by nearly 600 points and having that qualified as the official result is unfair.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Nadeem on August 03, 2013, 06:05:58 pm

No, and the vote is not fair because there are 81 reds and only 61 blues.
They registered for the event but out of these 81 only 40 might have joined.
Nadeem, the server's unstable due to most likely a script failure.

AFAIK no member was intentionally crashing it (I might be wRONg)
But why was server stable for more than 6 hours before?

No shit. Blue won. Post results/webstats etc.
We fought for our deserved victory and now bunch of players from loser team is going to steal this victory by this poll.

Next time do your server/script better.
If you really think you are a pro,why you don't want to play it again?Because these bugs will be fixed?You think you won't make it next time?

Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ulkaki on August 03, 2013, 06:07:14 pm
No shit. Blue won. Post results/webstats etc.
We fought for our deserved victory and now bunch of players from loser team is going to steal this victory by this poll.

Next time do your server/script better.

I also agree with Tom.

But, I would like to think that I am speaking on behalf of everyone (regardless of whether you're a part of Red/Blue)

With all due respect, redoing the event would completely undermine our effort and time spent on this event. We've invested weeks planning for this event, rounding up members of our teams (including inactive, old members), and pushing off our commitments for this weekend. I can't speak for everyone, but I know that for at least some of you, sparing this weekend for Vice War was not easy. In pragmatic terms, the opportunity cost of preparing for and participating in this event has already been enormously high; and yet we've tried our best to garner enthusiasm for/during the event, despite the minor server crashes (which occurred for no more than 1-2 hours out of the entirety of 24 hours.). We've trained hard, we've played hard  - and we've made quite a few sacrifices for this event.

The only way I would agree with this is to extend the event - i.e. pause the event and keep the current scores, and then continue the event for another round of 24 hours sometime in the near future.

Or, as Kessu has suggested, we could play again for fun that is, and for pure fun, without any pressure for either team to count points.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Kessu on August 03, 2013, 06:09:51 pm
Nadeem, I hope you do realise that scripts can get fucked up with time passing by. When shit goes wrong, then shit goes wrong. Keep your cool about it, no point getting all emo about it.

Stormeus, I'd like an official confirmation about how the things will go.

Today's VW, are the results only official? Are they combined with the next VW results? Are they completely nullified and only next one counts?

Please explain this for all of us, it'd be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: stormeus on August 03, 2013, 06:16:44 pm
Agreed with the above, except for one little tidbit:

Or, as Kessu has suggested, we could play again for fun that is, and for pure fun, without any pressure for either team to count points.

The entire point of ViceWar to have 24 hours of entertainment. This isn't a competitive event; individual stats don't really count for anything other than a cool little keepsake after a good round, and the only thing that anyone gets by winning as a team is rightfully earned bragging rights. There should still be points counted for the second round, especially considering that without them, it's not really so much Vice War as it is a generic TDM mode.

EDIT:

Stormeus, I'd like an official confirmation about how the things will go.

Today's VW, are the results only official? Are they combined with the next VW results? Are they completely nullified and only next one counts?

All I can say for sure is that these results will not be completely nullified. Whether they will be combined with the next round's results or kept separately has yet to be determined.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Wolf. on August 03, 2013, 06:19:31 pm
Sure, YES ! Deso will be playing <3 ...Number of all crashes what i have today - 122, did ya bellieve ? Losts and unhandled exceptions...Todays game was a tragedy.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Tom on August 03, 2013, 06:20:17 pm
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If you really think you are a pro,why you don't want to play it again?Because these bugs will be fixed?You think you won't make it next time?
I'll rape you again with pleasure 8)

But tell me one thing. Why these results should be erased? Both teams fought on equal conditions. Blue and Red both suffered that terrible crashes.
Otherwise, as Aki said, we spent time. Aren't our actions and our time deserve to accept the our victory?
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: stormeus on August 03, 2013, 06:23:02 pm
But tell me one thing. Why these results should be erased? Both teams fought on equal conditions. Blue and Red both suffered that terrible crashes.
Otherwise, as Aki said, we spent time. Aren't our actions and our time deserve to accept the our victory?

All I can say for sure is that these results will not be completely nullified. Whether they will be combined with the next round's results or kept separately has yet to be determined.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Tom on August 03, 2013, 06:26:12 pm
But tell me one thing. Why these results should be erased? Both teams fought on equal conditions. Blue and Red both suffered that terrible crashes.
Otherwise, as Aki said, we spent time. Aren't our actions and our time deserve to accept the our victory?

All I can say for sure is that these results will not be completely nullified. Whether they will be combined with the next round's results or kept separately has yet to be determined.

Deal with it  8)
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ulkaki on August 03, 2013, 06:33:52 pm
Apologies for drawing everyone's attention again on the same point.

I hope that the following echoes the sentiments of everyone here, regardless of blue/red.

Many of us have to either work or study Monday-Fridays. Giving up an entire 24 hours is almost the equivalent of giving up the entire weekend. I also know that many people on the blue team (based on what I hear on Mumble) have been playing until the morning (U.S. time - but that is irrelevant since the event is a full 24 hours) and yes, we're all grumpy, sleep-deprived, and the only thing to get us going is a cocktail of caffeine, sugar, and various substances I shall not specify.

And not to mention, the weeks - that is around 20 days - of planning and preparing for this event.

@Stormeus, I hate to put the spotlight on you, but please consider the circumstances with complete objectivity. This is an issue, that has actually very little to do with the current scores, or the fact that blue is winning by 600 kills, or the poll results (didn't see the point of poll here fyi), etc. It is a matter of whether or not everyone's efforts here (red or blue) are acknowledged and legitimized.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: DarKFirE on August 03, 2013, 06:38:03 pm
This is the point, if you want to restart the event, both teams should have the actual points, because otherwise this could be seen as favoritism for the red team.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Klaus on August 03, 2013, 06:41:38 pm
The only way I would agree with this is to extend the event - i.e. pause the event and keep the current scores, and then continue the event for another round of 24 hours sometime in the near future.
This.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ferrari32 on August 03, 2013, 06:43:33 pm
This is the point, if you want to restart the event, both teams should have the actual points, because otherwise this could be seen as favoritism for the red team.
And if you were on the other side would it be favoritism to the blue team?
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Ryne on August 03, 2013, 06:43:48 pm
yes ofc
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: OathBreaker on August 03, 2013, 06:59:16 pm
Yeah Bruce is right I didn't esrimated that nice bruce
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: gaminq on August 03, 2013, 07:03:36 pm
Change to No, the blue team won.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Deso on August 03, 2013, 08:06:41 pm
Lol, people actually no-life the entire day, playing in VW? -_-

I'm all into the fun in this and since I missed it - hell yes! Restart the event!
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: White on August 03, 2013, 08:27:02 pm
The crashes are not to blame for the red teams 700 kill deficit.  Both teams were affected by them equally.  Other than giving red a second chance, I don't see any other reasons why this event should be restarted.

No.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Neji on August 03, 2013, 09:08:35 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: GangstaRas on August 03, 2013, 09:34:14 pm
Ah dear.....so many cry babies. I think I may have a proposal for a concensus. With the beginning of this event, it was inevitable blue would win, don't deprive them of it, it is biased and unfair we kill the stats, redo the event and whoop di dooo, maybe red wins instead this time and brag. I believe a new event should be hosted, crashless one, call it Vice War 3 After Party or something, can be of the same thing, additions, up to the staff but yeah, redo another but the main event, which is now, don't erase that. To the statement depicting work and life and all that rubbish, the event wasn't made to suit one person, those who can come, come, those who can't, too bad. But make this change, instead of one day, how about allowing it to go the whole week? Excuse satisfied? That's my idea on the whole thing.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Sora_Blue on August 03, 2013, 09:36:03 pm
Lol, people actually no-life the entire day, playing in VW? -_-

I'm all into the fun in this and since I missed it - hell yes! Restart the event!
It's your own damn problem for not attending.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: NewK on August 03, 2013, 10:19:23 pm
Guys, let's try to be reasonable here. The crashes affected boths teams equally, I See no reason to restart this event even keeping the stats, because like akiharu said, it's hard to get this much availability from so many people. The fact is, this event will always be won by the team who outnumbers the other for most of the time. Now, there's one thing I have to adress. People saying that both teams fought on equal grounds, now that is complete bullshit. Let me tell you why.;
So you see, when Red was outnumbered we had to fight through it, thus, feeding them alot of points. But when Blue was outnumbered they just refused to spawn (equal grounds indeed..). I remember aXXo saying that anything against the event itself was not allowed, well, that goes against the event itself, if we have no enemies to fight, the event is "nullified". And don't even try to say that you didn't spawn because we were spawnkilling, because I have proof and I can easily prove that you guys did it on purpose if I have to. (I'm not accusing the whole blue team of doing this, some of them don't even know this happened, I'm referring to a couple of ULKs that did this)
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Sora_Blue on August 03, 2013, 10:30:44 pm
We were outnumbered eventually indeed 6 blues, rest red so please don't whine about us not willing to spawn.
Why do you think some guys go afk? To get other blue members online.
Furthermore there were a few people spawnkilling us at our base (example: honey_singh raping RPG at our spawnpoint).
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: NewK on August 03, 2013, 10:39:10 pm
We were outnumbered eventually indeed 6 blues, rest red so please don't whine about us not willing to spawn.
Why do you think some guys go afk? To get other blue members online.
Furthermore there were a few people spawnkilling us at our base (example: honey_singh raping RPG at our spawnpoint).
You are completely missing my point brian. I'm not whining about being outnumbered, I know blue was outnumbered too. My point is, when red was outnumbered we kept playing and when blue was outnumbered, some blues refused to spawn just so they wouldn't lose points. Red always spawned despite being outnumbered, we were spawnkilled too a couple of times, but the situation I'm talking about was in the morning(GMT+1) you weren't there, it was when there was like 5 or 6 blues only, so you didn't see what I'm referring to. And no they weren't AFKing to wait for other blues, they were talking in the chat while they were on the spawn screen, you didn't see that, it was really a "strategy" of them to not lose points.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: BruceLee on August 03, 2013, 10:52:02 pm
Thats Why Team Blue Is Leading Us With 1000 Score. 3/4 Players Are Cannot Make 4000/5000 Kills , You Guys Were about 35 And we were just 3/4.

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2Fabm72p.jpg&hash=eb62df3f9c81da25d54d5ba14d2abb70dad22559)

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F10g9u01.jpg&hash=f2086734902505f583337cf5c12a302037ad2d1e)
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: White on August 03, 2013, 11:03:05 pm
6 people not spawning does not make up for the 1000 kill deficit either.  I told our team to stop spawning simply because there was 25+ reds raiding our base using extremely lame tactics (i.e spazzes, rocket launchers, drive-bys, SEASPARROWS, etc.).  Also, we came back in 30 minutes after we quit spawning which is not nearly enough time to make a major difference in the score.  The fact that y'all decided to spawn and take a beating rather than log off and get more team mates online is not our problem. 

Give me all the brain donor ratings y'all want, but we clearly made the smarter decision.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: NewK on August 03, 2013, 11:22:04 pm
6 people not spawning does not make up for the 1000 kill deficit either.  I told our team to stop spawning simply because there was 25+ reds raiding our base using extremely lame tactics (i.e spazzes, rocket launchers, drive-bys, SEASPARROWS, etc.).  Also, we came back in 20 minutes after we quit spawning which is not nearly enough time to make a major difference in the score.  The fact that y'all decided to spawn and take a beating rather than log off and get more team mates online is not our problem.
Yea, right. You seem to forget that when that happened we were only 100 points away, and getting ahead could very well motivate more people to play. And please your team did the exact same thing, raided our base with spazzes, Seasparrow, molotovs, snipers, drive-by, etc.... so that's not really a valid argument. And we spawned because we're not cowards, we were there to play the game, if we didn't want to play we'd leave the server, but you guys didn't leave, you stayed a long time on the spawn screen just chatting before you left the server. Refusing to spawn while inside the server just to keep your lead is against the event itself. We had no enemies to fight, you stagnated the event.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: White on August 03, 2013, 11:42:16 pm
Yea, right. You seem to forget that when that happened we were only 100 points away, and getting ahead could very well motivate more people to play. And please your team did the exact same thing, raided our base with spazzes, Seasparrow, molotovs, snipers, drive-by, etc.... so that's not really a valid argument. And we spawned because we're not cowards, we were there to play the game, if we didn't want to play we'd leave the server, but you guys didn't leave, you stayed a long time on the spawn screen just chatting before you left the server. Refusing to spawn while inside the server just to keep your lead is against the event itself. We had no enemies to fight, you stagnated the event.

It shouldn't matter if your teams behind or not.  If you're behind it should motivate more players to fight so your team can win and if you're ahead players should still log on to protect the lead.  If your team mates are not logging on because their losing, then obviously y'all are bigger quitters than we ever were.  Our team played the game smarter and won, end of story.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ulkaki on August 03, 2013, 11:59:45 pm
Thats Why Team Blue Is Leading Us With 1000 Score. 3/4 Players Are Cannot Make 4000/5000 Kills , You Guys Were about 35 And we were just 3/4.

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2Fabm72p.jpg&hash=eb62df3f9c81da25d54d5ba14d2abb70dad22559)

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F10g9u01.jpg&hash=f2086734902505f583337cf5c12a302037ad2d1e)


I call this lack of preparation and commitment. ULK/EAF have been gathering members for the past 3 weeks. We had 10-15 ULKs ingame or at least on Mumble throughout the event. EAF also brought in around 5-10 active members who played as a great team. Not to mention, the "Russians" were essentially wiping out the server, despite being outnumbered.

VU did a a great job too in the Red team. Unfortunately though, all the other gangs and clanless players... I shall restrain myself from commenting.

Now can someone please lock this topic please before we get too off topic.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: NewK on August 04, 2013, 12:03:49 am
It shouldn't matter if your teams behind or not.  If you're behind it should motivate more players to fight so your team can win and if you're ahead players should still log on to protect the lead.  If your team mates are not logging on because their losing, then obviously y'all are bigger quitters than we ever were.  Our team played the game smarter and won, end of story.
Being behind motivates people to play, but being ahead too, the screenshots above are a proof of that. In VW1 the red team(ULK+VU) were outnumbered too and they were losing and in the last hours there were very few of them ingame, so yea people also lose their motivation if they are losing. And yea, we were behind and it motivated us, and when we got close to catching up, you sat on your spawn screen like cowards. Call it whatever you want to make you feel better. But atleast we didn't go against the event itself and stopped it just so we wouldn't lose points. Your team had more players and won, it's the same every vicewar, not once has the team with less players won in this last 3 years.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Sora_Blue on August 04, 2013, 12:03:51 am
We were outnumbered eventually indeed 6 blues, rest red so please don't whine about us not willing to spawn.
Why do you think some guys go afk? To get other blue members online.
Furthermore there were a few people spawnkilling us at our base (example: honey_singh raping RPG at our spawnpoint).
but the situation I'm talking about was in the morning(GMT+1) you weren't there, it was when there was like 5 or 6 blues only, so you didn't see what I'm referring to. And no they weren't AFKing to wait for other blues, they were talking in the chat while they were on the spawn screen, you didn't see that, it was really a "strategy" of them to not lose points.
I was one of the 6 blues. I do get your point tho'.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ulkaki on August 04, 2013, 12:11:38 am
Final score: 4040 Blue - 2973 Red


Even if Red team had better planning, more players, or anything - even if server didn't crash so often, even if Blue team played in a way that Red team deems "fair" etc etc...

Even if...

There is no denying that Blue would have won anyway. 1067 kills lead - A clear and decisive victory for the Blue team.

Congratulations Blue, and good game Red!
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: PaGlia on August 04, 2013, 12:13:11 am
Final score: 4040 Blue - 2973 Red


Even if Red team had better planning, more players, or anything - even if server didn't crash so often, even if Blue team played in a way that Red team deems "fair" etc etc...

Even if...

There is no denying that Blue would have won anyway. 1067 kills lead is a clear and decisive victory for the Blue team.

Congratulations Blue, and good game Red!
Yeah! :)

Special Thanks to: Ethan, MrParadoX, & aki*.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: NewK on August 04, 2013, 12:23:30 am
Of the course the team who is losing by alot of points is going to be less motivated to continue playing, the same thing happened in VW1 when we won. But I do admit that the Blue team played good and was very motivated most of the time.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Eddy on August 04, 2013, 12:32:08 am
Fix the server/script and start again with the same punctuation
Final score: 4040 Blue - 2973 Red
I am in the red team and if reset the punctuation from 0 - 0 would be very unfair, I am aware

VU did a a great job too in the Red team.

Thanks :]

EDIT/ GG Blue team, was fun
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ulkaki on August 04, 2013, 12:35:45 am
@Stormeus:

By the way, I assume non-participants were also able to vote in this poll?

For the sake of fairness, this poll should be divided into two separate polls.

One poll should be in the Red's private board, and the other in Blue's private board.

Alternatively, we can do a weighted poll. The same number of Reds and Blues should be allowed to vote. If a blue member has only voted 10 times, then a random sample of 10 votes should be counted from the Red team.

If not, the results of the current poll will lead to tremendous statistical bias.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Sora_Blue on August 04, 2013, 12:35:53 am
If a new VW is being held simply continue with the points we ended with today.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Milko on August 04, 2013, 12:50:32 am
I'd say yes.
Plus, add an anti-spawnkill system (if possible), because the blue team got quite a lot of points with spawnkilling.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: S@M on August 04, 2013, 01:06:51 am
If the vicewar is reseted, then the scores will be reseted too? It'll be unfair for the blue team lol. So I'm with a No.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: NewK on August 04, 2013, 01:26:53 am
I think there's no point for another ViceWar, not this soon anyway. Just do it next year or in a couple of months, this demands too much out of people.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: PaGlia on August 04, 2013, 01:36:45 am
Change my vote to No.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Franklin on August 04, 2013, 03:27:01 am
It's very easy say: reset both scores when your team is the loser, anyways would be a total waste of time for us in special for the blue team if read team doesn't use their head, its their problem.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: X_94 on August 04, 2013, 04:34:56 am
Do it, I guess that everybody deserves so, but trying to make that one more fair since as NewK said sometimes the blue team refused to spawn when they were outnumbered. And I also think that when the team captures a base it should get some points instead of giving them "advantages" because by not doing so the teams will just stay in their shitty spawn locs/fixed bases and doing nothing to conquest some other bases and it'll kill all the sense of this gamemode.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: [NYB]NYC on August 04, 2013, 04:41:27 am
i go with yes.. also ULK stop spawn we are told those spawn but they are not reds capture 3 base and attack in blue base but then ulk start checting and stop spawn only ajeet and some eaf member spwan another red win easly
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: SameeR_8 on August 04, 2013, 05:17:11 am
Yes.......... :)
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Soldier on August 04, 2013, 05:20:10 am
Yes.......... :)
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Nadeem on August 04, 2013, 05:47:48 am
It was totally lame aki ,when you guys left the server.You were getting pwnt because you were outnumbered?You were not spawning because of outnumbered teams?
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.img.tz.no1host.us%2F%2Fupload%2Fbig%2F2013%2F08%2F04%2F51fde7f619cce.jpg&hash=e28b47c066948e33ba2c823ff3fee02ca2797c8b)

Might be ULK made a strategy at that time.
Ajeet wrote it in wrong  team chat.

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.img.tz.no1host.us%2F%2Fupload%2Fbig%2F2013%2F08%2F04%2F51fde879793c9.jpg&hash=0a6db37ad6e2a6e6156d32c434a276bbc6411e10)

Here is the screenshot when Blue team wasn't spawning.

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.img.tz.no1host.us%2F%2Fupload%2Fbig%2F2013%2F08%2F04%2F51fde8b9787db.jpg&hash=a38888a3cf34e46db1cab32802fae5100ce56c44)

We were outnumbered but we were spawning again and again.
(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.img.tz.no1host.us%2F%2Fupload%2Fbig%2F2013%2F08%2F04%2F51fde9aea8f93.jpg&hash=8c705530260362b3dba108dcdcfa5bc9d5ac8c57)

@White,if you talk about the 'Spawn killing ' ask from your spanish ulks ,what they were doing .Oh my bad,you were in the server too.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: aXXo on August 04, 2013, 06:13:53 am
I think each circumstance affected both teams equally as mentioned, so the next event (date undecided) should be called VW 4. This one should be officially declared as over and Blue gets the trophy.

While I was online, the server barely crashed. There was not a single crash in the first 2 hours while I was awake.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: WiLsOn on August 04, 2013, 06:49:10 am
Yes, restart it.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ulkaki on August 04, 2013, 07:10:49 am
Nadeem, when I left, it was 3 am. I think I deserved some rest. Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: [NYB]NYC on August 04, 2013, 07:18:52 am
Nadeem, when I left, it was 3 am. I think I deserved some rest. Thank you very much.

so why u back after 15 min when russian join
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: White on August 04, 2013, 07:30:36 am
@White,if you talk about the 'Spawn killing ' ask from your spanish ulks ,what they were doing .Oh my bad,you were in the server too.

ROFL Not nearly to the degree you assholes were.  I didn't see anyone attacking the stadium with a seasparrow or spamming rockets/spazzing like you were last night.  Seriously you've turned into a giant lamer lately dude.  The fact that you also decided to sit there and take a beating instead of getting more team mates online isn't my problem either.  I'm not wasting anymore time on this issue, I've said everything I needed to get off my chest.  Blue won, good game red.  See y'all at Vice War 4 :) 

I will not be responding to anymore posts.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: FaF on August 04, 2013, 08:32:21 am
ROFL Not nearly to the degree you assholes were.  I didn't see anyone attacking the stadium with a seasparrow or spamming rockets/spazzing like you were last night.  Seriously you've turned into a giant lamer lately dude.  The fact that you also decided to sit there and take a beating instead of getting more team mates online isn't my problem either.  I'm not wasting anymore time on this issue, I've said everything I needed to get off my chest.  Blue won, good game red.  See y'all at Vice War 4 :) 

I will not be responding to anymore posts.

Were you wearing band on eyes while playing?

Firstly all of the means we used to attack you were part of the game, call it lame...its your problem...and about you using them

Well Akiharu and others were miniguning/spazzing/ throwing mollies all the time and one of your team mates was using sea sparrow which did spawn kill...but I dont blame that or call that lame as its all part of the game and thats what made it competitive....

I think next time we should have it like points generated every 15 minutes or 10 minutes or so on base captured as some people are too coward to let others win, yes we definitely would have crossed your score if you had guts to fight us back...your own team mates told me that you asked them not to spawn...so from where would have we got points to lead when the enemy team wasn't there to fight?

and then when Russians came to save your asses...everyone popped in :D...i have seen this alot in my real life...a guy runs away when he is alone...and then comes back with some more of asses and acts tough :P

I dont know about others but I left the event as those crashes were annoying and they drained all my money...I would have played if that didnt happen...surely the crashes didnt happen later but then the game was out of hands...
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: [TZ_R]SuperKiller on August 04, 2013, 08:46:09 am
Score Should be reset. why?
because when the event started everything was going well, ping were also good. and at that time. there were lot of blues and less reds blue made red's score was: 200+ and blue's 400+ and after some hours server start crashing.. and when too many Reds joined the server. the server was totally crashing after a min.. and reds were unable to make their score all bases were covered by blues early... and this is unfair if score is not reseted because the server was crashing again and again and reds were not able to beat the Blue's score...
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Blurry on August 04, 2013, 08:59:21 am
We won.
Chill the fuck out
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: MaDKilleR on August 04, 2013, 09:31:02 am
We won.
Chill the fuck out

No shit. Blue won. Post results/webstats etc.

Let the guys play this VW to it's end without ending it pre-maturely. Then maybe do another one without script failures.
Also this should count as the 'official' one, next one would be more for entertainment purposes  :angel:
Maybe possibly combine the kills from this VW and the possible next to get the winner? :D


I also agree with Tom.

The crashes are not to blame for the red teams 700 kill deficit.  Both teams were affected by them equally.  Other than giving red a second chance, I don't see any other reasons why this event should be restarted.

No.

Give me all the brain donor ratings y'all want, but we clearly made the smarter decision.

Stop being brain donors all of you. When we were only 100 kills away, all of you just RQ and didn't spawned at all. See the Bruce's screenshots, we were only 5 and we fought till end, regardless of the shit you people were keep saying. So accept the fact how much you cried when we were 100 kills away. Thats your sportsmanship? hah.

(https://viceunderdogs.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHQjsH25.png&hash=34d3193ec31dfc70d853847f04b8c530fc90ed39)

and you were calling me retarded. See the picuture and realized how all of you cried when got overnumbered by us. Again i say, neither we RQ, nor we refused to spawn at the time you heavily over numbered us and because of this, you've got a such big lead. We played till the end, neither like you who just ran away when it was time to play. No one's giving a second chance to red team idiots, we're finishing what you've started.

You only fought when you were greater in number, and when more reds came and sent you back to where you belonged, each of you ran away and didn't had the courage to fight alone with even 2 reds. No one can be more coward and lame in tactics then you i assure this.

Note: If ViceWar is held again, then don't run away. I know thats all you do when you're being raped but still, try to show up.

Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: OmarH on August 04, 2013, 09:32:29 am
Yes Well can we finish it on 5 August, 2013 Because 8/9/10 Is Eid day in Pakistan  :blank:
Yes here to , Eid is like Christmas but for Muslims  , So if you can do it Before 8 August or After 11 August (Eid Days).
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Thijn on August 04, 2013, 09:46:06 am
I apologize if this has been posted before, but I do not have the time to read through 6 pages at the moment.



Both teams had problems with the crashes. It's not that only Red had issues and that's why they lost. Blue won. A better script with fewer/no crashes wont do much difference other then, maybe, making the event a bit more fun to play.

If you do want to spend the time and preparation for a "restart", make it purely for fun. The official result stand. Blue won.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: T3rroR on August 04, 2013, 09:50:22 am
That's unfair with Reds .........
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: [NYB]NYC on August 04, 2013, 10:01:57 am
The official result stand. Blue won.


 i accepted so  i dont want join again vice war 3 or restart this
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Blurry on August 04, 2013, 10:02:42 am
The official result stand. Blue won.


 i accepted so  i dont want join again vice war 3 or restart this
wat
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Tom on August 04, 2013, 10:04:00 am
Stop talking bullshit about hidning in spawnscreen. Take a look at this (http://i.imgur.com/GaGMEU1.jpg) screen. We foght and successfully defended robina for ~20 minutes.

Anyway what about restart. Will it happen?
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: [EAF]Sorrow on August 04, 2013, 10:06:54 am
I'd say yes.
Plus, add an anti-spawnkill system (if possible), because the blue team got quite a lot of points with spawnkilling.

Ye about 4000 kills with spawnkilling indeed.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ulkaki on August 04, 2013, 10:40:54 am
Yes, Blue team didn't win by a couple kills, or even 100 kills, or 2-300 kills. Blue won by over 1000 kills.

Any excuse (or reasoning) no matter how valid it is, wouldn't have affected the game by more than a thousand kills.

It was a clear and decisive victory for Blues. Of course, the scores could have been different, and things could have been more fun for everyone (I know I had plenty of fun), but the match result - that is, who won and who lost - wouldn't have changed at all.

For all I know, I expected Blue to win from the start, even before the event began. ULK's huge army of seasoned veterans (some even stayed online for the full 24 hours - with coffee breaks of course), EAF's strong performance, plus the "Russians" and their fantastic team play simply made the Blue team unbeatable. Not to mention, there was a clear lack of organization on the Red's side; many of it wasn't even Red's fault though. All ULKs were on Mumble, I also assume all EAFs were on Mumble/Teamspeak, and I know for sure that the Russians talk to each other too. Such communication is crucial, especially considering that radar is off. I seriously doubt that the few MKs, VUs, NYBs, TZs, etc. on the red team were communicating to each other on Mumble/TS. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) A few organized gangs is most certainly better than many disorganized gangs.

And trust me, I saw Bruce's screenshot. Everyone should take another look. The blue team was essentially made up of 90% ULKs (8-10 of us) in that one and I'm really proud of my clan mates considering that many of us were so committed that we ended up staying awake for the full 24 hours. I'd say NewK was the only one on the Red team who had a similar level of dedication.

Or take a look at Tom's screenshot. When ULKs were taking a break, Tom, Xyu, and Uji were essentially singlehandedly fighting against the Red team. Those 3 performed so spectacularly that by the time ULKs rejoined, they had brought the score lead from 300 to 600. (Not to mention how outnumbered they were!)

And EAFs. Most of the time, they stuck together or focused on a single base. Even when they did split up and helped ULKs, they worked with us like our own clanmates.

Long story short, Bllue's victory isn't because the Blue team had better players, or because of something unfair one side did, but because the Blue team had much better planning, commitment, and organization. Stormeus, if you've logged everyone's join history, and how much time they spent ingame, I'm sure you'll find that the Blue team actually had very few players (fewer than Red) who each stayed a very long time ingame. The level of commitment shown by the players on the Blue team was simply unmatched.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: BruceLee on August 04, 2013, 10:47:25 am
We Should Be very thankful To Veteran And Gangstaras

Veteran:   He made the Highest Score from Team Red
Gangstaras:  He Played The Whole Day For Team Red
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: [TZ_R]SuperKiller on August 04, 2013, 10:51:13 am
Ok Aki if The Blues are the Pro then why they are scaring for next match... ?
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: BruceLee on August 04, 2013, 10:53:32 am
Ok Aki if The Blues are the Pro then why they are scaring for next match... ?
Well Superkiller it will be very hard for them to play one more match again they struggled very hard for this event so i think so we should do something in next event
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ulkaki on August 04, 2013, 10:59:55 am
Ok Aki if The Blues are the Pro then why they are scaring for next match... ?
Well Superkiller it will be very hard for them to play one more match again they struggled very hard for this event so i think so we should do something in next event

1) I never said Blues were pro. I'm saying that Blues had superior organization and commitment. NewK was essentially a one-man-gang. If he had Anty and Dead_Man, he would've been far better (probably impossible to kill). But then, NewK is a microcosm of the entire Red team - that is, the Red team had many "pro" players but lacked organization and commitment.
Long story short, Bllue's victory isn't because the Blue team had better players ... but because the Blue team had much better planning, commitment, and organization.


2) We can't play another match again in the near future because of lack of preparation time. (I don't know about you, but yes, we had to prepare quite a lot.) We would be happy to see you all at Vice War 4, perhaps at least half a year from now. If you want another match next week, that is close to impossible, because even with three weeks advance notice, our preparation was quite rushed. If you didn't know, many of us have jobs from Monday to Friday, and we have numerous commitments even outside of our job. It's very difficult for any of us to dedicate an entire weekend to playing a 24 hour long event.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: NewK on August 04, 2013, 11:05:13 am
Stop talking bullshit about hidning in spawnscreen. Take a look at this (http://i.imgur.com/GaGMEU1.jpg) screen. We foght and successfully defended robina for ~20 minutes.
The "bullshit" we are all talking about hiding on the spawn screen happened before you joined the event, so you didn't get to see it. We know you and your crew didn't do that, and I commend you for fighting, staying ingame and play even when you were vastly outnumbered, I really do, and I'm not being sarcastic. I applaud for any blues that kept fighting even when outnumbered.

The thing is, when people refused to spawn, we were like 100 points away from catching up, and I know for sure that if they kept spawning, we would catch up and that would motivate alot more people from red to keep playing to keep that advantage, I know I would've played for alot longer if we did catch up there. So yea, this could have turned out very differently. Still, not disregarding blue's commitment to this event which was quite impressive.

Indeed if I had my old MK crew I could have done more, but even so, I wasn't expecting to be of much use, given how inactive I have been ingame.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: stormeus on August 04, 2013, 11:11:39 am
Given the outcome of the event, it is extremely unlikely that, if the event is restarted, it will count for anything. The blue team won overwhelmingly, and that stands.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Wolf. on August 04, 2013, 11:52:30 am
Someone talking about NYB spawnkills on the previous pages, and what about the TLK's ? They are doing spawnkills example to me non-stop when that event come to end (maybe 30mins to end), it was making me angry, but i have been informed that spawnkills are not prohibitet...but its not fair.
According to me, scores should be reset because most of people when they was informed about reset of this event started leaving from this server, they means that was playing for nothing...So that was one big nonsense, confusion...
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: TLK.Honor on August 04, 2013, 12:26:06 pm
So what is my fault then?When I was active about 3-4 hours,we all fought hard,we didnt stay on spawnscreen or what.I especially tried to help Tom(and the other 2 russians) to defend Robina.We was only max 5 there and all other blues were spawned.Also max 6 ULK members were active.They was trying to get another bases.Red team had more players than blue.Red always did attack and we always saved our base.You cant imagine how we did it.So,if the event restart Im not in.I always tried to be fair and I cant accept this restart.Good luck to y'all.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Dr.Shawn on August 04, 2013, 12:58:04 pm
shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Sir dont Forget that this is a game not world war III
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: BruceLee on August 04, 2013, 01:37:36 pm
shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Sir dont Forget that this is a game not world war III
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ulkaki on August 04, 2013, 02:51:11 pm
Thats Why Team Blue Is Leading Us With 1000 Score. 3/4 Players Are Cannot Make 4000/5000 Kills , You Guys Were about 35 And we were just 3/4.
To those of you who think that the Red team was outnumbered:

Number of red players: 97
Number of blue players: 81
Fact 1: Red team actually had more participants.

Sum of red players' playtime: 6 days, 21 hours, 48 minutes, 4 seconds
Sum of blue players' playtime: 6 days, 18 hours, 29 minutes, 25 seconds
Fact 2: Not only that, Red team also had more playtime overall.



But the Blue team still won because...

Average kills per person on red: 22.5
Average kills per person on blue: 38.7
1. Players on the blue team killed more.

Average deaths per person on red: 35.6
Average deaths per person on blue: 30.1
2. Players on the blue team died less.

Top 5 Players by Kills
  • TLKr.EthaN - 294
  • [EAF]Marcell - 233
  • [VU]Veteran - 184
  • [OFF]Tom - 179
  • ULK.aki* - 171

Top 5 Ratios with Kills > 75
  • [EAF]Klaus - 10.0
  • [OFF]Tom - 4.972
  • TLKr.EthaN - 3.542
  • [EAF]Marcell - 3.329
  • UJIbU4 - 2.804
3. The asskickers were all on the Blue team.

Average kill/death ratio for red: 0.213
Average kill/death ratio for blue: 0.929
4. Our kill-to-death ratio was significantly higher. 0.929 vs. 0.213



Conclusion
This proves my point about the Blue team having better teamwork and organization. The Red team had some great players, but was clearly lacking in the teamplay and strategy department.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: BruceLee on August 04, 2013, 02:58:21 pm
We Will do out best in VW4 Don't worry
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ulkaki on August 04, 2013, 02:59:59 pm
We Will do out best in VW4 Don't worry

"We" makes no sense, since in VW4, the teams would be different again. If you didn't know, ULK was initially supposed to be in the Red team.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: [NYB]NYC on August 04, 2013, 03:00:30 pm
aki blue win because russian and russian
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: NewK on August 04, 2013, 03:23:08 pm
Red team was still outnumbered most of the time. Red got more players to sign up, but many weren't able to show up, so blue had more players ingame for most of the event. Which doesn't necessarily mean red didn't commit, because even though we were less we played longer.


Top 5 Highest Playing Time
  • [PA]Taweel. - 10 hours, 28 minutes, 0 seconds
  • [VU]GangstaRas - 9 hours, 12 minutes, 5 seconds
  • ULK.aki* - 8 hours, 58 minutes, 2 seconds
  • [NYB]HONEY_SINGH - 7 hours, 48 minutes, 59 seconds
  • [DUz]SoL[D]13R - 7 hours, 25 minutes, 55 seconds
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Dr.Shawn on August 04, 2013, 03:51:26 pm
Sir Majority Wins
52 (61.2%)>> Yes
33 (38.8%)>> No
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Milko on August 04, 2013, 03:53:08 pm
Too bad there was no anti-spawnkill system.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Kessu on August 04, 2013, 04:00:46 pm
There was no reports of spawnkill when I was in the server even tho' I told you people to do it.

Blame yourself for not taking action against it, it's only YOUR fault for not reporting a rulebreaker.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: stormeus on August 04, 2013, 04:09:28 pm
Sir Majority Wins
52 (61.2%)>> Yes
33 (38.8%)>> No

The poll is used for guidance. Management still has the final say.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Ryne on August 04, 2013, 04:28:08 pm
There was no reports of spawnkill when I was in the server even tho' I told you people to do it.

Blame yourself for not taking action against it, it's only YOUR fault for not reporting a rulebreaker.
it was allowed i guess :P
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Kessu on August 04, 2013, 04:34:40 pm
There was no reports of spawnkill when I was in the server even tho' I told you people to do it.

Blame yourself for not taking action against it, it's only YOUR fault for not reporting a rulebreaker.
it was allowed i guess :P
Why would spawnkill be allowed? That's retarded.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ferrari32 on August 04, 2013, 04:35:45 pm
There was no reports of spawnkill when I was in the server even tho' I told you people to do it.

Blame yourself for not taking action against it, it's only YOUR fault for not reporting a rulebreaker.
it was allowed i guess :P
Why would spawnkill be allowed? That's retarded.
I think no one even considered that it could happen ;P
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: ulkaki on August 04, 2013, 08:37:56 pm
I'm also tired of writing essays, so I will keep it as concise as possible.

Both teams engaged in what some of you are calling "spawnkilling."

Moreover, there's a fine difference between spawn camping (or camping at the spawn site) and spawn killing. From what I saw, most people were just attacking the spawn bases (so airport or stadium) and players were still able to run and defend themselves before they actually got (spawn) killed.

I have been administrating XE for 6 years and those are the rules we have been enforcing. That is the definition we use for "spawnkilling." I believe LW or EA or any other server I know also understand spawnkilling the same way. Especially in LW's downtown spawnwars, as long as the players are able to move first after they spawn, it is not considered spawnkilling; it's just spawn site camping.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: PaGlia on August 04, 2013, 09:12:07 pm
Red team accept the fucking defeat and shut up.

Vote NO for this shit, we have win with honor!
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: Sora_Blue on August 04, 2013, 09:15:24 pm
Red team accept the fucking defeat and shut up.

Vote NO for this shit, we have win with honor!
No need to be harsh.
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: PaGlia on August 04, 2013, 09:16:12 pm
Red team accept the fucking defeat and shut up.

Vote NO for this shit, we have win with honor!
No need to be harsh.
Ok senor
Title: Re: Restart ViceWar in a week
Post by: stormeus on August 04, 2013, 09:23:33 pm
ViceWar will not be played again in a week for several reasons. Firstly, the blue team won with an undeniably overwhelming tactical and strategic victories. Restarting the event and resetting all match and individual statistics would deny them of a victory they rightfully earned.

Moreover, restarting the event in a week and continuing with the points that had already been attained is not feasible enough. Having already spent 24 hours fighting, restarting the event in a week would only drag this event out longer without improving morale for anyone. If the red team wins, the blue team will still be upset of having been robbed of their win. If the blue team wins, we're still presented with the current situation.

Additionally, next week coincides with a major religious event which would force a sizeable portion of players to not participate.

Given all of the above circumstances, the only option is to hold another ViceWar even further off into the future with completely rewritten scripts. To confirm, ViceWar will not be restarted on the 10th.

The old poll has been removed. You may now decide whether to hold ViceWar IV in autumn of this year, in winter of this year, or to not push ViceWar earlier up and to hold it next year. You may vote for up to 3 options (all of them).
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: Deso on August 04, 2013, 09:27:18 pm
Winter
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: Kessu on August 04, 2013, 09:58:13 pm
I'd say spring-summer change when schools end for most.
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: BruceLee on August 04, 2013, 10:08:46 pm
Winter.
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: WiLsOn on August 04, 2013, 10:24:01 pm
Winter.
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: PaGlia on August 04, 2013, 10:30:13 pm
hmm, ok.


Winter.
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: X_94 on August 05, 2013, 12:21:23 am
I'd say spring-summer change when schools end for most.

Nah, that's so much time to wait..., I want to have some fun in sept-octo months :*
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: NewK on August 05, 2013, 12:49:15 am
Taking the previous ViceWars into account, I think everyone has noticed by now that Summer is Indeed the best time to hold an event like this, most people seem to be available on summer, both from the blue and red team.
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: Sora_Blue on August 05, 2013, 12:53:07 am
Next summer as traditional way.
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: Kessu on August 05, 2013, 12:53:27 am
I'd say spring-summer change when schools end for most.

Nah, that's so much time to wait..., I want to have some fun in sept-octo months :*
No worries, I can waste you in EA in both of the months <3
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: Nadeem on August 05, 2013, 05:09:52 am
Can't wait for a year.
Winter.

Autumn.
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: Soldier on August 05, 2013, 05:11:37 am
Winter.
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: [TZ_R]SuperKiller on August 05, 2013, 05:41:20 am
Can't wait for a year.
Winter.
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: Nilz on August 05, 2013, 06:01:44 am
Summer 2014
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: Shadow.X on August 05, 2013, 08:16:00 am
Winter.
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: MaDKilleR on August 05, 2013, 11:52:54 am
Just do it, nothing bad would happen if we don't go to our schools / colleges for one day.  :P
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: hotdogcat on August 05, 2013, 12:30:52 pm
Just do it, nothing bad would happen if we don't go to our schools / colleges for one day.  :P

great idea i suggest to do this all years

winter
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: DarKFirE on August 05, 2013, 03:36:46 pm
Next summer as traditional way.

^^
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: Klaus on August 05, 2013, 08:10:16 pm
Summer.
Taking the previous ViceWars into account, I think everyone has noticed by now that Summer is Indeed the best time to hold an event like this, most people seem to be available on summer, both from the blue and red team.
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: Desert_Eagle on August 05, 2013, 08:59:34 pm
any date between Aug 22nd and Nov 17th 2013 > : D

Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: [TZ_R]SuperKiller on August 06, 2013, 10:29:59 am
Changing to Autumn
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: [EAF]Sorrow on August 06, 2013, 11:40:54 am
Autumn and Winter are the periods where VCMP is less active, so why organise a few VW at that period.

Just do it summer 2014, no matter the votes, it will make sure the activity is as high as it was during this Vice Wars.
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: Shadow.X on August 06, 2013, 01:09:42 pm
Autumn and Winter are the periods where VCMP is less active, so why organise a few VW at that period.

Just do it summer 2014, no matter the votes, it will make sure the activity is as high as it was during this Vice Wars.
^ This , Changing to summer , Players are inactive in Winter & Autumn but in Summer , We can play more .
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: Kessu on August 08, 2013, 12:56:03 am
I would do this next summer due to reasons stated above.

There's no need to rush an event with a good history.

People also could use some patience ;)
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: karan on August 08, 2013, 02:56:59 pm
SI SI SI YES YES YES X 11000000
Title: Re: When should ViceWar be restarted?
Post by: OmarH on August 08, 2013, 05:45:55 pm
I'd say spring-summer change when schools end for most.

Yes , Lots of players have school in Winter , I support Summer .